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« on: October 26, 2010, 04:58:35 AM »

You should not misunderstand the silence of God to your prayers in your
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Why God is careful while granting boons?

The treasure of God is infinite and will not exhaust by giving you some money


The treasure of God is infinite and will not exhaust by giving you some money.  Similarly, if He cancels your sins, there is no body to question Him.  Then, why is He delaying in giving money to you and in removing your problems by canceling all your sins?  The reason is that His single aim is to transform you in to a divine soul.  If He gives you money, what will be the change in your behavior? If He removes all your problems, what will be the change in the practical style of your life?   If God is sure that there will be no change in your behavior, He will certainly make you wealthy and will remove all your problems.

 A doctor is careful to give sweets to a diabetic patient.  If the sugar-level of the patient rises, the problem in treating the patient also is on the head of the doctor only.  If you become wealthy and get rid of all problems, you may become an uncontrolled demon and disturb the society.  You may be immersed in endless luxuries and fall down.  In such case, to save the society and to save your self, God has to act.  Therefore, God is careful in granting boons.  Except this complication, God is not worried in any way because His power and wealth are infinite.

 If you can become a realized and liberated soul through the spiritual knowledge, then, there will be no change even if you become wealthy and happy.  The spiritual knowledge is like the sugar tablet given to the patient in advance.  In absence of such medicine in advance, the doctor will not give you more sweets since he is aware of your sugar (ego) level in your blood.  Hence, you should not misunderstand the silence of God to your prayers in your problems.
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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2010, 05:37:31 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2010, 10:42:08 AM »

This thread represents the merger of a number of threads - many of which were one-post threads - that all share a common element: the attempted reconciliation of Hindu philosophy and Orthodox theology.  This merger was done in order to curb the attempt at "dominating" the forum with threads on the subject.  This thread will not be locked at present, as this is a discussion forum that promotes discussion - however, the Administration of the Forum continues to affirm that this thread's premise (that Orthodoxy and Hinduism are fully compatible theologically) is false in our opinions, and is "at best" an extreme minority position and "at worst" merely the musing of one forum member.

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Why do not all see God?

Nobody sees God. God is not touched even by imagination. How can we see God? God enters some medium and becomes visible through that medium (through Lord in human form or Son of God). Through that medium also you are experiencing only the existence God. Only experience of existence is possible. There is no way to see God directly. The current cannot be seen directly. When it flows in a wire only its existence can be experienced.
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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2010, 10:52:20 AM »

How could one see that which makes vision possible? The eye doesn't see the eye (nor the brain!)


God is the cause of existance itself - truly, in a sense, God does not exist, not in the way we understand existance to be, because He is what *creates* the very act of existing. He creates being, thus He is not a being in the ordinary sense.

It is because we try to find a "god" that exists in a sense like us, that we don't find Him. He is much bigger than that. And yet, this absolutely transcedent God, being no prisioner of His transcedence, *did* exist as one of us.
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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2010, 12:59:55 PM »

How could one see that which makes vision possible? The eye doesn't see the eye (nor the brain!)


God is the cause of existance itself - truly, in a sense, God does not exist, not in the way we understand existance to be, because He is what *creates* the very act of existing. He creates being, thus He is not a being in the ordinary sense.

It is because we try to find a "god" that exists in a sense like us, that we don't find Him. He is much bigger than that. And yet, this absolutely transcedent God, being no prisioner of His transcedence, *did* exist as one of us.


Did Christ retain his humanity after the resurrection?
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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2010, 01:18:57 PM »

How could one see that which makes vision possible? The eye doesn't see the eye (nor the brain!)


God is the cause of existance itself - truly, in a sense, God does not exist, not in the way we understand existance to be, because He is what *creates* the very act of existing. He creates being, thus He is not a being in the ordinary sense.

It is because we try to find a "god" that exists in a sense like us, that we don't find Him. He is much bigger than that. And yet, this absolutely transcedent God, being no prisioner of His transcedence, *did* exist as one of us.



Did Christ retain his humanity after the resurrection?

He did. It's precisely this fact that makes our salvation possible. Because now human nature is united with God's nature in Christ, like with Christ, death cannot have a final vitory over us. When He was raised, our nature was raised with him.

This is no small wonder: human nature is now part of the person of the Son of God, of God Himself. We are all in Christ in that sense. Now to "activate" it, materially, we have to go through the sacraments, and spiritually, to have faith.
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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2010, 01:21:24 PM »

It is written, "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God."  The ability to see all things clearly is a divine grace-gift; the Holy Spirit pours it out on whomsoever the Holy Trinity wills.
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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2010, 06:08:38 PM »

Gregory Palamas speaks of the unknowable "essence" of God but the experienced "energies" of God. It is through this energy or Grace that we know and experience God.
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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2010, 09:32:48 PM »

How could one see that which makes vision possible? The eye doesn't see the eye (nor the brain!)


God is the cause of existance itself - truly, in a sense, God does not exist, not in the way we understand existance to be, because He is what *creates* the very act of existing. He creates being, thus He is not a being in the ordinary sense.

It is because we try to find a "god" that exists in a sense like us, that we don't find Him. He is much bigger than that. And yet, this absolutely transcedent God, being no prisioner of His transcedence, *did* exist as one of us.



Did Christ retain his humanity after the resurrection?

He did. It's precisely this fact that makes our salvation possible. Because now human nature is united with God's nature in Christ, like with Christ, death cannot have a final vitory over us. When He was raised, our nature was raised with him.

This is no small wonder: human nature is now part of the person of the Son of God, of God Himself. We are all in Christ in that sense. Now to "activate" it, materially, we have to go through the sacraments, and spiritually, to have faith.

I see. I actually typed resurrection when I meant to say ascension. Either way, I think you answered my question.
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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2010, 09:34:07 PM »

He told Moses to look on Him is to die, so for now it would be death to do so.
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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2010, 09:40:02 PM »

How could one see that which makes vision possible? The eye doesn't see the eye (nor the brain!)


God is the cause of existance itself - truly, in a sense, God does not exist, not in the way we understand existance to be, because He is what *creates* the very act of existing. He creates being, thus He is not a being in the ordinary sense.

It is because we try to find a "god" that exists in a sense like us, that we don't find Him. He is much bigger than that. And yet, this absolutely transcedent God, being no prisioner of His transcedence, *did* exist as one of us.

Thanks for the reply....You are very correct....

The absolute knowledge of the absolute God is impossible because the absolute God is unimaginable.  The absolute God comes in human form to give you the experience of His existence, in absence of which, you may deny the very existence of the absolute God and may become atheist (Astityeva….Veda).  The identification of the human form in which the absolute God exists is the knowledge of God (Brahma Jnanam or Brahma Vidya).

 The experience of the existence of the absolute God does not reveal any trace of the nature of the absolute God and hence God is always unimaginable.  The only information about the absolute God is that God exists.  “Aum Tat Sat” means that God exists and no more information about God is available.  The word Tat means that God is beyond your imagination. The word Aum denotes that God is the creator, ruler and destroyer of this world.  These three adjectives indicate the works (Creation, rule and destruction) of God only and not the nature of the God.  This is called as the information about the existence only (Sanmatra vada).  God comes in human form, which is characterized by the awareness or chit. 


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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2010, 09:43:54 PM »

He told Moses to look on Him is to die, so for now it would be death to do so.

It means that if you want to see the creator the creation has to disappear then alone you will see the creator God. When the creator disappears since you are a part of the creation you will also disappear along with it. Thus one can never see the original God or absolute God. You can see GOd when He comes in human form to you by entering a most deserving devotee existing on the earth known as Son of God. God enters into Son of God like current in a wire. Thus GOd always present in Son of GOd and preaches through Son of God wonderful knowledge, by seeing such Son of GOd  you have seen the aboslute or original God. You touching such Son of God you have touched the absolute GOd or original GOd. This is the only way to see the original God.

This is the reason Jesus told, Philip, when you see Me (Son of God) you have seen the Heavenly Father (The original God or Absolute God)......
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Hi, there.  You're new around these here parts, aren'tcha?  Grin

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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2010, 09:46:41 PM »

It is written, "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God."  The ability to see all things clearly is a divine grace-gift; the Holy Spirit pours it out on whomsoever the Holy Trinity wills.

A blessed soul can see God. 

 The actual God is not seen by eye since God is not imaginable even to mind, intelligence and logic as per several Vedic statements.  Veda says that the eye cannot see God.  But same Veda says that a blessed soul can see God.  This contradiction is easily removed by taking original God for the first statement and mediated God in human form (Jesus) for the second statement. 

God is not pervading all over the creation because Veda says that God created Universe to see and enjoy it.  If you pervade all over the cinema and become that cinema itself, you cannot see and enjoy it.  Veda says that nothing in the world is God (Neti Neti….).  Veda also says that God entered the world after creating it.  If God already pervaded all over the Universe, there is no meaning in saying that God entered the Universe. 


God does not live in this world but enters the world for the requirement of a few devotees, being omnipotent, but preaching benefits all.

God is beyond creation and hence God does not exist in the world as supported by Veda (Neti Neti..), Gita (Natvaham teshu…) and Bible says that God does not live in this world.  This only means that everything and every body in the world is not God.  But this does not mean that God will not enter the world.  Veda says that God enters the world (Tadevaanupraavishat).  If you say that somebody is not residing in the city of Bombay, it does not mean that he will never visit Bombay. However, the above scriptural statements deny your all pervading God!  The visit of God into this world is justified by the requirement and desire of certain top devotees.

 If you object the entry of God by rule, you are opposing the omni potency of God. Suppose you object the entry of God by establishing the lack of requirement for any devotee, it is also absurd.  You may not require the entry of God but how can you deny the requirement of others, who need entry of the God for the sake of personal service?  The entry of God is not for the sake of all human beings but it is for the requirement of a few devotees.  You cannot generalize the policy of requirement to all the human beings. However, even though God comes to satisfy a few devotees only, He preaches the spiritual knowledge that benefits all.  You can be also benefited by taking Him in the level of preacher only through personal discussions.

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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2010, 09:58:07 PM »

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You cannot generalize the policy of requirement to all the human beings. However, even though God comes to satisfy a few devotees only, He preaches the spiritual knowledge that benefits all.

1 Timothy 2:3-7

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time, 7 for which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle—I am speaking the truth in Christ and not lying—a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.


Why would a Christian rely on the Vedas?

In Christ is the fullness of the Truth.

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« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2010, 11:53:58 PM »

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You cannot generalize the policy of requirement to all the human beings. However, even though God comes to satisfy a few devotees only, He preaches the spiritual knowledge that benefits all.

1 Timothy 2:3-7

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time, 7 for which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle—I am speaking the truth in Christ and not lying—a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.


Why would a Christian rely on the Vedas?

In Christ is the fullness of the Truth.



You are correct. God can be seen only through Son of God. This entire creation is only an imagination or dream of God. If you want to see such God who is absolute reality, a relative reality which is His creation has to disappear, then alone you will see God who is alone. But when the creation disappears you also will disappear along with it.

Hence one can never see the original God. But Original God can be seen when He comes in human form. By seeing Jesus you have seen the original GOd in Him. This is the reason why Jesus told to Philip that when you see Me you have seen the Heavenly Father, why then Philip why are you asking Me to show you the Father?

I and Father are one and same, since Father exists in Me all the time-Jesus says.
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« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2010, 11:55:44 PM »

The way to cancel your sins
All the punishments are only for reformation of the soul and not for revenge. The hell is created by God not with vengeance against sinners but due to kindness to reform the souls. God is always kind to reform the souls, which are His children since the souls are created by Him.

The father will never have even a trace of vengeance towards his issues. Jesus always addressed God as father and He propagated this concept by saying that all your sins will be excused by God if you are reformed. Practical knowledge, the practical realization, which is the reformation, will cancel all your previous bad deeds or sins as told in Gita (Jnanaagnih….). Except this one way, there is no other way to cancel the sins and escape from all the present problems in the world and future torture in the hell.
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« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2010, 11:56:23 PM »

You are excused by God for the past sin provided…..
The only way to stop the punishment of sin


Realization is the process of effort to change the soul and reformation is the actual change of the soul. If the soul is reformed, the proof for it is that the sin is not practically repeated. If this result is achieved, there is no need of punishment. The punishment is not for the sake of past sin, since past is past. The punishment is only to change the soul so that in future the sin is not repeated.

The day you have stopped repeating the sin, you are excused by God for the past sin. This is the only way to stop the punishment of sin, which is in the form of problems of life. If you have stopped all the sins, your life will be the happiest and for this you need not pray even God. Prayer to God will not cancel even the trace of the sin.

Ravana (a demon) prayed God in several ways, but, he could not escape the punishment of his sin. If you are committing sin, you are violating the word of God and going against the will of God. God wants you not to commit any sin. His word is the ethical scripture, which says that you should not commit any sin. The sin will disturb the balance of the society since it hurts the co-living beings.
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« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2010, 12:05:54 AM »

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You list your faith as Christian and your jurisdiction as Christian. What Christian church teaches this?
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« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2010, 12:11:28 AM »

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You list your faith as Christian and your jurisdiction as Christian. What Christian church teaches this?

Jesus taught this. Jesus told, I and My Father are one and the same. He told to Philip if you see Me you have seen the Father. Jesus also told no body has seen God. He also told while starting His mission He took the book of Isiah where in He read Father is present in Me for preaching divine knowledge to the humanity.


   The real meaning of Jesus statement. The unimaginable God enters the energetic form and is called as the Father of heaven. The same unimaginable God enters a materialized human form and is called as the human incarnation. Narayana is the energetic form charged by the unimaginable God.  Jesus is materialized human form charged by the unimaginable God and the father of heaven is energetic form charged by the same unimaginable God. From the point of content, the unimaginable God, Jesus and father of heaven are one and the same and this is stated by Jesus that He and His father are one and the same. From the point of the charged medium, Jesus is the son of the father of heaven, since the matter came from energy by condensation. From the point of the medium, Jesus said that He is the son of God.
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« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2010, 12:13:20 AM »

Why God keeps silent to somebody even after intensive cry?

Ans. A diabetic patient cries before a doctor to get a sweet for eating. The doctor has infinite number of sweets and he does not worry at all for giving a sweet to the patient. You are crying before God, who is the divine father (creator of all the souls) to give some wealth or to solve some problem. If He helps you, there is not even a trace of any personal loss to Him. Neither His wealth nor His power is finite and nor His love to souls is limited. The only factor that guides Him is to see the future position after the help. If your eyes are to climb the roof of your head after the help, God will keep silent. After the help you will fall down even from your present level and then you will cry again before the same God to lift you up.

 If the doctor gives you the sweet, the level of sugar may go up and the emergent treatment is also the responsibility of the same doctor. Hence the doctor will not give you the sweet.  If the doctor is confident of your health, he may give the sweet. Sometimes the doctor gives the sweet and conducts the emergent treatment to show you the truth, if you are scolding the doctor to be unkind. The response of the doctor lies on his analysis of the situation and it is not the subject of the patient at all. You must have the faith in the doctor (God) that any response is for your good only and you must know that the patient is ignorant of his own real welfare.   

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« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2010, 12:15:52 AM »

The Bhagavad Gita is not Christian Scripture.

However, the Gospels are.

Matthew 16:19

19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”


John 20:22-23

22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”



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« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2010, 12:21:40 AM »

The Bhagavad Gita is not Christian Scripture.

However, the Gospels are.

Matthew 16:19

19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”


John 20:22-23

22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”




Agree.You cannot please God by prayers and service simultaneously doing sins. If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God and you are insulting God. You cannot please and insult God simultaneously. Therefore, every devotee and servant of God should be careful about the concept of the sin and about the only path to cancel the sin.

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The day you have stopped repeating the sin, you are excused by God for the past sin. This is the only way to stop the punishment of sin, which is in the form of problems of life. If you have stopped all the sins, your life will be the happiest and for this you need not pray even God. Prayer to God will not cancel even the trace of the sin.

Where did you get these teachings? No Christian of whom I've ever heard, would ever say that you do not need to pray in order to be forgiven, nor that you just need to stop the sin and that's all there is.

Mark 1:14-15
14 Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.”


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Ravana (a demon) prayed God in several ways, but, he could not escape the punishment of his sin.

Who is this Ravana? What does that have to do with the Christian faith? Demons don't pray.
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The day you have stopped repeating the sin, you are excused by God for the past sin. This is the only way to stop the punishment of sin, which is in the form of problems of life. If you have stopped all the sins, your life will be the happiest and for this you need not pray even God. Prayer to God will not cancel even the trace of the sin.

Where did you get these teachings? No Christian of whom I've ever heard, would ever say that you do not need to pray in order to be forgiven, nor that you just need to stop the sin and that's all there is.

Mark 1:14-15
14 Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.”


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Ravana (a demon) prayed God in several ways, but, he could not escape the punishment of his sin.

Who is this Ravana? What does that have to do with the Christian faith? Demons don't pray.


Do not worry.

If you do not repeat the sins practically then all your problems in this world will stop. For this you need not pray God. Only thing should not repeat any sin further. The day you stop doing the sin, all your past sins will be forgiven.

This human life is very precious and to be used for pleasing God by serving Him practically.

A good devotee of God serve God like a servant without expecting anything in return, by such love you will become very dear and near to God, for this to happen you have to practically serve God....
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« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2010, 12:27:02 AM »

Christians aren't Hindus. No disrespect, but you can't conflate Hinduism with Christianity, or the Vedas with the Bible. You can't just stamp "Agreed" on everything and assume that when each of us says "God," we're talking about the same thing. Monism and syncretism aren't held as truths in the Orthodox Christian faith.
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« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2010, 12:29:08 AM »

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The day you have stopped repeating the sin, you are excused by God for the past sin. This is the only way to stop the punishment of sin, which is in the form of problems of life. If you have stopped all the sins, your life will be the happiest and for this you need not pray even God. Prayer to God will not cancel even the trace of the sin.

Where did you get these teachings? No Christian of whom I've ever heard, would ever say that you do not need to pray in order to be forgiven, nor that you just need to stop the sin and that's all there is.

Mark 1:14-15
14 Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.”


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Who is this Ravana? What does that have to do with the Christian faith? Demons don't pray.


Here repent means transformation of the soul, and do not repeat the sins further again. If you love GOd and participate in His mission of divine knowledge propagation then you will never repeat sins due to your increase love on God.
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« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2010, 12:30:58 AM »

Christians aren't Hindus. No disrespect, but you can't conflate Hinduism with Christianity, or the Vedas with the Bible. You can't just stamp "Agreed" on everything and assume that when each of us says "God," we're talking about the same thing. Monism and syncretism aren't held as truths in the Orthodox Christian faith.

There is only one God who created this entire universe. God preaches divine knowledge for the upliftment of people in this world. Jesus preached wonderful divine knowledge and transformed many. God is identified from His divine knowledge.

 Veda says that God is the infinite right knowledge and that God is the excellent knowledge (Satyam Jnanam…, Prajnanam….). This does not mean that God is the knowledge itself. It only means that the possessor of right and excellent knowledge is God and such knowledge is His correct identification mark since it is His inseparable characteristic. If some body wears a red shirt always, the red shirt becomes his identity mark and you can call him as the red shirt like calling “Oh! Red shirt! Come here”. Gita gives clarification on this point, which says that the possessor of knowledge is God (Jnaanitvaatmaiava……).  Since God enters the human being only, such identification is mentioned. The human being is always characterized by the knowledge. Knowledge is one sided characteristic of awareness. It means knowledge is always associated with awareness and awareness need not be associated always with knowledge.

An animal or bird has awareness but no knowledge. Therefore, you should not take awareness as the meaning of the words indicating knowledge in Veda like Jnanam and Prajnanam. This clarification is given in Gita, which says that God enters human body (Manusheem….). Hence, Gita always gives clarifications on Veda. Such correct clarification can be correctly clarified by the human incarnation only since the same God, who said Gita, can alone give the original sense of the text. The Author himself can alone give the correct sense of his own statement. Since, God is one and the same in all the human incarnations, any human incarnation can clarify the text said by any other human incarnation.
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« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2010, 12:33:58 AM »

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If you do not repeat the sins practically then all your problems in this world will stop. For this you need not pray God. Only thing should not repeat any sin further. The day you stop doing the sin, all your past sins will be forgiven.

These are not the teachings of the Christian faith. Why do you call yourself a Christian in your profile if you quote the Vedas and are clearly a Hindu?

Are you the same Anil Antony who was on this forum on a Philippines website? It seems you did the same thing there-- spoke in Christian terms but preached pure Hinduism.

http://community.godrev.jesus.net/profile/anilantony?xg_source=activity

Why do you do this?
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« Reply #29 on: October 27, 2010, 12:34:22 AM »

Greeting fellow friends

I'm a keen hunter and i hunt feral animals ; i was wondering if this is a sin and , i always try to asks G_D's forgiveness, after the hunt ? but not sure what the scriptures say about this ?

The animals usually pass very fast , or are put out of their pain humanely .

thank you

R

For eating flesh if you kill, then it is a sin

Non-vegetarian food by it self is not a sin since the analysis of it shows that its contents are the same as exist in vegetarian food. The sin comes by killing a co-living being, which does not harm you at all. If you stop taking non-vegetarian food, killing of living beings is proportionally controlled. Do not say that you are not getting sin since you have not killed the living being directly.

Killing is the highest sin, which gives highest pain to the living being. In the next birth, the killed living being will be born as human being, you will be born as the living being and you will be killed similarly by the human being so that your soul will realize the pain and get reformed.
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« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2010, 12:37:09 AM »

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If you do not repeat the sins practically then all your problems in this world will stop. For this you need not pray God. Only thing should not repeat any sin further. The day you stop doing the sin, all your past sins will be forgiven.

These are not the teachings of the Christian faith. Why do you call yourself a Christian in your profile if you quote the Vedas and are clearly a Hindu?

Are you the same Anil Antony who was on this forum on a Philippines website? It seems you did the same thing there-- spoke in Christian terms but preached pure Hinduism.

http://community.godrev.jesus.net/profile/anilantony?xg_source=activity

Why do you do this?

If you analyse my original post you can see i stressed on the importance of not repeating the sin PRACTICALLY. In such case you need not even pray to God for forgiveness, since you are automatically forgiven for all your past sins since from this moment onwards you are not doing any sins further practically.

I have told the truth is there any thing wrong in this. You can also test this in your life itself and can see the results.

God is only one and He speaks through Son of God (Jesus).
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« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2010, 12:40:31 AM »

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If you do not repeat the sins practically then all your problems in this world will stop. For this you need not pray God. Only thing should not repeat any sin further. The day you stop doing the sin, all your past sins will be forgiven.

These are not the teachings of the Christian faith. Why do you call yourself a Christian in your profile if you quote the Vedas and are clearly a Hindu?

Are you the same Anil Antony who was on this forum on a Philippines website? It seems you did the same thing there-- spoke in Christian terms but preached pure Hinduism.

http://community.godrev.jesus.net/profile/anilantony?xg_source=activity

Why do you do this?

If you analyse my original post you can see i stressed on the importance of not repeating the sin PRACTICALLY. In such case you need not even pray to God for forgiveness, since you are automatically forgiven for all your past sins since from this moment onwards you are not doing any sins further practically.

I have told the truth is there any thing wrong in this. You can also test this in your life itself and can see the results.

God is only one and He speaks through Son of God (Jesus).

Suppose if i am misleading by wrong knowledge, then also need not pray to God to punish me. I will be severely punished by God Himself without even your prayer, because God is very much altert and He will see that no injustice takes place in His kingdom of this world.

Hence why should i unnecessiarily earn, punishment by preaching false? Is i am a fool in such case?

So, i will never mislead people beacuse the all knowing God will punish me.

I have pointed out a practical situtation in which we should avoid doing sin practically.....

...am i misleading people?!!
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« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2010, 12:41:45 AM »

Again: Orthodox Christians do not believe in the Vedas.

Are you interested in learning about what Orthodox Christians believe about sin, repentance, confession and forgiveness?

You have stated claims about what God is, what sin is and how to obtain forgiveness. You list yourself as a Christian in your profile, but you quote the Vedas. The Holy Scripture for Christians is not the Vedas.

Perhaps you could benefit from reading something like this:

http://www.goarch.org/ourfaith/ourfaith7051

And this:

http://www.goarch.org/ourfaith/


I can't list the entire Bible for you, but here's a site where you can look up passages: http://www.biblegateway.com/

They have many different printings.

There's also an Orthodox printing. http://orthodoxwiki.org/Orthodox_Study_Bible

I hope these are helpful.
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« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2010, 12:43:14 AM »

Again: Orthodox Christians do not believe in the Vedas.

Are you interested in learning about what Orthodox Christians believe about sin, repentance, confession and forgiveness?

You have stated claims about what God is, what sin is and how to obtain forgiveness. You list yourself as a Christian in your profile, but you quote the Vedas. The Holy Scripture for Christians is not the Vedas.

Perhaps you could benefit from reading something like this:

http://www.goarch.org/ourfaith/ourfaith7051

And this:

http://www.goarch.org/ourfaith/


I can't list the entire Bible for you, but here's a site where you can look up passages: http://www.biblegateway.com/

They have many different printings.

There's also an Orthodox printing. http://orthodoxwiki.org/Orthodox_Study_Bible

I hope these are helpful.

Thanks for your adivice i will definetly go through it and will follow what you say.


What is sin?

A soul is beaten in the hell and the servants of Yama say “why have you done this deed which is not liked by God?” They will not say “why have you done this sin?” Anything that is not liked by God is a sin. By itself a sin is not a sin, because it is a feeling, which is a wave of awareness and is completely unreal. Hurting any soul, especially a believer in God is the basis of sin according to God. Punishment with an attitude to change the soul is exempted from this concept. There should be no trace of revenge in punishment. If the soul is realized and changed, do not think of revenge. Jesus told that if you punish others for their sins, God shall punish you also for your sins. Punishment of a student by a teacher is not a sin, because it is for his change and upliftment only. The same aim exists when God punishes the souls.
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« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2010, 12:45:56 AM »

Jesus did not teach that this Creation is just a dream of God.

That is not something that Christians believe.

Christians do not believe in the Narayana energetic form.

Christianity is not one and the same with Hinduism. Jesus did not teach that.

Read about what teachings are considered untrue: http://orthodoxwiki.org/Heresy

You can't just say "Jesus taught this" and make it true. There is no evidence in the Bible that Jesus taught what you have stated.
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« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2010, 12:53:15 AM »

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In such case you need not even pray to God for forgiveness, since you are automatically forgiven for all your past sins since from this moment onwards you are not doing any sins further practically.

Again: this is not a teaching of the Orthodox Christian faith.


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I have told the truth is there any thing wrong in this.

In Hinduism, you call it that. In Orthodox Christianity, you have not.


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You can also test this in your life itself and can see the results.

I am not going to play games with my eternal soul. I am not going to apostatize or accept a heretical teaching about sin, forgiveness and prayer. Jesus did not teach what you have stated. He did not believe in the Vedas, and Christianity is not Hinduism.
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« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2010, 12:55:14 AM »

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In the next birth, the killed living being will be born as human being, you will be born as the living being and you will be killed similarly by the human being so that your soul will realize the pain and get reformed.

Hinduism.
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« Reply #37 on: October 27, 2010, 12:55:52 AM »

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In such case you need not even pray to God for forgiveness, since you are automatically forgiven for all your past sins since from this moment onwards you are not doing any sins further practically.

Again: this is not a teaching of the Orthodox Christian faith.


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I have told the truth is there any thing wrong in this.

In Hinduism, you call it that. In Orthodox Christianity, you have not.


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You can also test this in your life itself and can see the results.

I am not going to play games with my eternal soul. I am not going to apostatize or accept a heretical teaching about sin, forgiveness and prayer. Jesus did not teach what you have stated. He did not believe in the Vedas, and Christianity is not Hinduism.

I have just mentioned a practical way. you can pray God any time and any no. of time to Jesus.

What I told is if you practically do not repeat sin again then all your sins are forgiven.

Also what is expected from US is to become a true devotee of God who is selfless and work for GOd without expecting anything in return. In such case you need not pray all your needs will be taken care of in a most wonderful manner by God since you have become very dear and near to God by serving Him without any expectation..............
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In such case you need not even pray to God for forgiveness, since you are automatically forgiven for all your past sins since from this moment onwards you are not doing any sins further practically.

Again: this is not a teaching of the Orthodox Christian faith.


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I have told the truth is there any thing wrong in this.

In Hinduism, you call it that. In Orthodox Christianity, you have not.


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You can also test this in your life itself and can see the results.

I am not going to play games with my eternal soul. I am not going to apostatize or accept a heretical teaching about sin, forgiveness and prayer. Jesus did not teach what you have stated. He did not believe in the Vedas, and Christianity is not Hinduism.

Jesus also told the same in bible, if you work for the kingdom of GOd then you need not pray all your needs will be taken care of . Look at the birds , tree etc they are not doing anything still GOD meets their needs. Like wise if one is selfless and work for GOD AND LOVE HIM WITHOIUT EXPECTING ANYTHING IN RETURN, then all your needs will be taken care of in a most wonderful manner, in such state you need not even ask GOd, before asking everything will be fulfilled.
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« Reply #39 on: October 27, 2010, 12:59:12 AM »

Do you know what repentance and Confession are? Do you know what the Orthodox Christian Church is?
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In the next birth, the killed living being will be born as human being, you will be born as the living being and you will be killed similarly by the human being so that your soul will realize the pain and get reformed.

Hinduism.

You need not beleive in next birth. After death either Hell or Heaven this means that how much altert we should be when we live in this world. This is our last birth and after this do or die situation. Thus when we live in this world, we should keep the notion of death in our mind which will remind us that all our relations and possession will vanish at any point of time due to death, thus we should please God by serving Him without any expecation before we die......

Jesus told:

Luke—14:26 to 27

“If any one comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple’’.
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« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2010, 01:02:42 AM »

So if I commit a heinous murder, but then decide not to commit any more, I'm automatically forgiven without asking?  Cool. Wink
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« Reply #42 on: October 27, 2010, 01:04:23 AM »

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Jesus also told the same in bible, if you work for the kingdom of GOd then you need not pray all your needs will be taken care of . Look at the birds , tree etc they are not doing anything still GOD meets their needs. Like wise if one is selfless and work for GOD AND LOVE HIM WITHOIUT EXPECTING ANYTHING IN RETURN, then all your needs will be taken care of in a most wonderful manner, in such state you need not even ask GOd, before asking everything will be fulfilled.


Jesus didn't tell us to pray?

Wrong again.


Luke 11

 1 Now it came to pass, as He was praying in a certain place, when He ceased, that one of His disciples said to Him, “Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.”
2 So He said to them, “When you pray, say:

      Our Father in heaven,
      Hallowed be Your name.
      Your kingdom come.
      Your will be done
      On earth as it is in heaven.
       3 Give us day by day our daily bread.
       4 And forgive us our sins,
      For we also forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
      And do not lead us into temptation,
      But deliver us from the evil one.”


Don't put words in Jesus' mouth, or take words out of them.
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« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2010, 01:06:13 AM »

What in the world does that verse have to do with hunting and the Hindu concept of reincarnation, about which you posted?

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« Reply #44 on: October 27, 2010, 01:11:48 AM »

What in the world does that verse have to do with hunting and the Hindu concept of reincarnation, about which you posted?



Animals also has life. When you kill then you are taking their life forcefully. Jesus told what ever you do to others, same thing will happen to you also.

If you kill, you will be killed in same way!
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