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« Reply #900 on: November 25, 2010, 07:14:08 AM »

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God works in mysterious ways. Sometimes he pretends like he is making a mistake to test your faith Wink

Tests of God
God is truth all the activities of God are based on truth only



If you are able to sacrifice anything and anybody for the sake of God, you need not fear for test. If you studied every chapter in text book, you need not fear for the examination because you can answer any question from any chapter. If you are fearing for test, it means that you are weak in a particular chapter. God is omniscient and knows your weakness. Hence, God gives only the question from that chapter in which you are weak. In worldly studies, the examiner is not omniscient and therefore by chance the examiner may not touch the chapter in which you are weak. But, the case of God is quite different since He is omniscient. He cannot declare you that you are the master of all the text book, unless you are thorough in every chapter. Do not misunderstand God as a cruel examiner.

 God is truth and hence all the activities of God are based on truth only. If you are weak in a chapter and if you are declared as the master of the text book, is it a true declaration? Therefore, God will not test you unless you are able to sacrifice everything and everybody for His sake. But, meanwhile you think that you can prove your highest devotion even though you have not reached that stage. Hence, to make you realize the truth of your false assumption, God conducts the test and proves your failure. In such test, He will not publicize because His aim is not to insult you in the public. His aim is only to make you realize your incompleteness in your achievement, so that you will try to reach the perfection after knowing the truth. If you are not tested, you will continue in your false impression and sit quite without any further effort.

If you have reached the perfection in sacrifice, God will conduct the test and publicize the result so that the other devotees will take your success as an example. If the successful case is not publicized, then also there is a danger because the devotees may sit quite thinking that such practical achievement is impossible for anybody. As long as you are trying for perfection, God will not touch you with the test. Once you stop in your effort, God will test you and test may be either for your sake or for the sake of public.

You may say that God already knows whether you are a successful case or a case of failure in the test and hence there is no need of test from God. The test is not required for God. The test is required for the souls. If you are a case of failure, you must know that, so that you will be aware of your actual position in the spiritual journey.

You may be thinking high of yourself and the test will reveal the truth so that you will put the effort from the step on which you are actually standing. If you are a case of success, then also the test is to be conducted for the sake of others to see and take you as an example. Therefore, the test is required in both the cases. The case of failure is tested for the sake of the tested soul and such test is not for the public. The case of success is tested for the sake of public. God will not test the case which is not at all involved in the spiritual journey. When you have not joined the institution for study, where is the point of conducting test?
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« Reply #901 on: November 25, 2010, 10:26:12 AM »

Creation of bad in this world
The bad is created for the sake of the souls only.


People often get the doubt about the creation of bad in this world apart from good. Let us come to the original point. Again, another doubt comes that the creation of bad directly or indirectly spoils the souls and hence, it is objectionable. This objection is also ruled out because the process of examination of the souls is essential for giving the divine fruit. Unless the attraction to bad exists, there is no meaning of examination. The teacher always advises the students to concentrate on studies without going to cinema. Those who concentrated on studies resisting that attraction are rewarded. You cannot say that all the cinema theaters in the city should be destroyed so that the disturbance of concentration can be avoided. The theatre exists in the city to give entertainment to the retired public. Therefore, the aspect of the entertainment of the retired public cannot contradict the aspect of concentration of students on studies. You should not bring the retired public and the students on one line.

 Similarly, you should not bring God and souls on one line. Moreover, unless the theatre exists, there is no meaning in the aspect of concentration on studies resisting the side attractions. If the side attraction is absent, where is the concept of concentration and where is the concept of examination? Such situation leads to meaningless dormant inactivity and lack of spirit of competition, which again bores the students themselves. Then, the students themselves will raise objection. Hence, the bad is created for the sake of the souls only.

 God derives the entertainment from both good and bad and such entertainment is not wrong since bad is not created primarily for the sake of such entertainment only. The entertainment is only secondary since the creation of bad was not done at all for His entertainment. You need not object such entertainment of God when it is not the primary purpose. You cannot say that the founder of a college is responsible for the suicide of a student on failing in the examination. You say that if the founder has not established the college, this incident should not have happened and therefore, the founder is criminal and should be punished!
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« Reply #902 on: November 25, 2010, 10:40:45 AM »

Let us come to the original point.
Yes, let's.  Please.
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« Reply #903 on: November 25, 2010, 11:20:57 AM »

Let us come to the original point.
Yes, let's.  Please.

 People often get the doubt about the creation of bad in this world apart from good. The bad is related to the qualities of Rajas and Tamas. The good is related to the quality of Sattvam. Since God is the Creator and Maintainer of both good and bad, He is associated with both good and bad. This is clear when we say that Vishnu is associated with Sattvam, Brahma is associated with Rajas and Shiva is associated with Tamas. The doubt is that God should have been always in the form of Vishnu only. In fact, there is a sect called Vaishnavas, who follow this point. They treat God as Vishnu or Narayana only. In such case, God should not be the Creator of the entire world since bad is also a part of the world. This will limit God to the partial capacity of Creation. Even if you say that bad is the creation of souls, since God is the Creator of all the souls, the indirect responsibility of bad appears to God.

Otherwise, God should have made bad to disappear as soon as it is created by the souls. The maintenance of bad should not have been possible without the will of God, since will of God is the reason of everything in the Creation. The fundamental aspect of creation of this Universe by God is only entertainment as said in the Veda (Ekakinaramate…) and in the Brahma Sutras (Lokavattu…). The entertainment in single phase of good is always boring. When you eat a sweet dish continuously, you require the hot pickle also now and then to give a break in eating the sweet. This break or change gives you the reinforcement of taste to eat sweet again. In eating the meals, both dishes of sweet and hot are always maintained.

You may say that this necessity of break belongs to the lower human beings but not to the highest God. In such case, the entertainment is also related to lower human beings but not to highest God. If that is true, the scripture should not have told the requirement of entertainment for God. You cannot contradict the Scripture since its Author is God and this is explained by the 3rd Brahma Sutra (Sastrayonitvat). In the subject of unimaginable God, the unimaginable God alone can be the authority.
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« Reply #904 on: November 25, 2010, 11:26:29 AM »

Hi, there.  You're new around these here parts, aren'tcha?  Grin



Praying God to solve a problem is the most foolish path of ignorance
God optimize the sequence of fruits of deeds of a soul

      God created this world with happiness and misery, which are alternating in the cycle like the plates in a moving wheel. God arranged the fruits of good and bad deeds in alternating manner even though good or bad deeds are done in a long sequence.  This reshuffled arrangement of happiness and misery resembles the sweet and hot dishes in the meals and also resembles to a cinema containing both scenes of happiness and tragedy in alternating manner.  Such system of alternating arrangement gives continuous entertainment not only to God but also to the individual soul.  Thus, the basic intention of the God is only to entertain Himself and also all the individual souls. Anything, either happiness or misery bores, if it is continuous.  Boring itself is misery.

 If you have compelled God to give happiness continuously though your prayers and worship, God will drag the happiness from the future cycle as a premature fixed deposit with reduced interest and hands it over to you.  He will not give happiness to you if there is no balance of good deeds.  As the impartial judge, He will not give happiness to you if there is no good deed in your list.  Therefore, asking God for continuous happiness is the most foolish solution because it bores giving misery to you at the expense of good deeds.  You are purchasing the misery with your hard earned cash! Moreover, when all the good deeds are exhausted, you will have the continuous misery only in all your future births.  Therefore, praying God to solve a problem is the most foolish path of ignorance.


 Such happiness attained is temporary. Hence, the permanent solution is only to learn to enjoy both good and bad results and attain continuous happiness without boring and this is the real bliss.  Bliss is the state of God, who is entertained with this world having alternating scenes of happiness and misery.  You have already learnt to be happy by enjoying the happiness. 

Now through the spiritual knowledge and continuous practice, you learn to enjoy the misery also in equal way.  Now, your enjoyment becomes continuous without boring due to absence of single phase (happiness or misery) and you have attained the state of God which is possible though effort.  Now you can say that you are God because the maximum possible state of God is achieved (Matbhavamagatah..Gita).  Creation, Rule and Destruction of this world are impossible for any individual soul though any effort and hence these three capabilities are irrelevant to the spiritual effort. If you attain the aim, which is possible for attainment, it is certainly the full success and you can claim that you are God in the total sense of the possible achievement.
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« Reply #905 on: November 25, 2010, 11:28:18 AM »

These stories (Puranas) are part of the spiritual knowledge...
Are these Puranas what the Puritans believe?  Is that where the name comes from?

Puritans were 'purifier' who wished to purge all remants of what they called 'Papism' from the Church of England. These practices would be the sort of things we Orthodox consider liturgically essential. It had nothing to do with Hindu beliefs. 

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2. One who lives in accordance with Protestant precepts, especially one who regards pleasure or luxury as sinful.


Happy Thanksgiving. This thread with holiday doses of tryptophan and wine will put the most restless soul to sleep!
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« Reply #907 on: November 25, 2010, 10:24:30 PM »

These stories (Puranas) are part of the spiritual knowledge...
Are these Puranas what the Puritans believe?  Is that where the name comes from?

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2. One who lives in accordance with Protestant precepts, especially one who regards pleasure or luxury as sinful.


Happy Thanksgiving. This thread with holiday doses of tryptophan and wine will put the most restless soul to sleep!

Due to ignorance about GOd, you are all dividing the humanity in orthodox, roman, protestant etc etc.....
This is due to lesser practical love on God and higher love on division and split.

Jesus want to uplift the christianity today. Christianity has falled into merely some rituals alone. The divine knowledge aspect has fallen down. Now Jesus told Me to give the divine knowledge to all of you here, to uplift them. Jesus only speaks through Me the divine knowledge. It is only for your benefit.

Theoretical worship forms only 1% of your love to God. Rest consists of Practical service to God by participating in His mission of divine knowledge propagation and donating money to His mission of divine knowledge propagation.

All the people are deluded and do not have proper direction in the spiritual path. Hence the true GOd comes with true divine knowledge and preaches the knowledge which is like fire to remove the ignorance.

Practical Service to God is the ultimate aim of life.

The essence of all the rituals is just sacrifice of wealth to a deserving devotee of God and the sacrifice should be in the memory of God. Mere sacrifice to a deserving human being without referring to God is just social service, the reward of which is temporary stay in heaven (Ksheenepunye… Gita).

The sacrifice is of two ways.

 One is in the form of work or service and the other is in the form of wealth.



The sacrifice should be done with lot of analysis to discriminate the deserving from the rest. The sacrifice is most powerful means to please God and get His grace, if the receiver deserves. If the receiver does not deserve, the same sacrifice will yield negative results in the form of punishment. Since all the rituals involve sacrifice only as the basis, the rituals should be done with proper analysis in selecting the deserving receiver.

 The deservingness of the receiver alone decides the fate of the entire ritual. Place, time and formalities of the ritual are not at all important in deciding the fruit of the ritual. If the receiver is undeserving, the sacrifice may be done in sacred Varanasi on sacred day of Maha Shivaratri and the process of sacrifice might have been done correctly following all the steps of the scripture, the result is going to be negative only. If the receiver deserves, whatever may be place, time and procedure of the ritual, the result will be excellent. People are bothered about the place, time and correctness in the steps of the ritual only, which are totally useless. They are not bothered about the main point, which is the deservingness of the receiver. They never analyze the receiver.
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« Reply #908 on: November 26, 2010, 03:27:44 AM »

Now, your enjoyment becomes continuous without boring due to absence of single phase (happiness or misery) and you have attained the state of God which is possible though effort.  Now you can say that you are God because the maximum possible state of God is achieved (Matbhavamagatah..Gita). 
No. i don't think so.  God is omnipotent, and your power is severely limited. For example, you are unable to give healing, peace and cures to the sick and suffering children in Palestine. Therefore what you suggest is very wrong, and a very serious mortal sin of blasphemy.
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« Reply #909 on: November 26, 2010, 03:32:44 AM »

So I haven't checked back in a while...are they unified yet??  Cheesy
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« Reply #910 on: November 26, 2010, 04:12:22 AM »

So I haven't checked back in a while...are they unified yet??  Cheesy
It's kinda hard to follow, but it seems like we're getting there.  Puranas, those mean Brazilian fish, have ended up being central to it all.  It turns out that both sides of Hindoxy believe in fish.  As do the Puritans, for what that's worth.  (And rabbits would believe in fish, except that they haven't yet attained the ability to believe in anything, but that's better saved for another time.)

Anyway, since both believe that fish exist, there's no telling where this could end up going.  Next up, I think, is figuring out whether we all believe in trees or not.  If so, watch out!
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« Reply #911 on: November 26, 2010, 04:57:58 AM »

Now, your enjoyment becomes continuous without boring due to absence of single phase (happiness or misery) and you have attained the state of God which is possible though effort.  Now you can say that you are God because the maximum possible state of God is achieved (Matbhavamagatah..Gita). 
No. i don't think so.  God is omnipotent, and your power is severely limited. For example, you are unable to give healing, peace and cures to the sick and suffering children in Palestine. Therefore what you suggest is very wrong, and a very serious mortal sin of blasphemy.

If what you have told is correct, then when Jesus came to that part of the world, there were many blind people, only one particular blind person was cured by Jesus, not all the blind people of all the courntries? Is Jesus injust? If Jesus were God, then why He did not cure millions of people? There were lot of dead people when Jesus came, but He gave only Lazer and one another case,? Is Jesus incapable of giving life to all dead the people of Isreale simultaneously?

Jesus cured only eligible devotees who had real love on God. Jesus did not cure all the people indiscriminately! Jesus is the most genius and He rewards based on deservingness. God will never give anything to any body without deservingness, if He does then it will be come a black scar on Him and it will imply that He is partial. God is not partial He judges any body based on His devotion to Him, which should be real.

God will not do miracles for show or crowd pulling

Miracle means the violation of the regular administration of God to be done by God Himself! Unless there is an extraordinary emergency in the case of a deserving devotee or a specific need in the divine mission of God, miracle does not appear. The devotee deserves a miracle when he or she does not aspire for it even in dream and is really involved in the divine mission of the Lord. This is the context of the miracle from the side of the devotee. The miracle can also take place from the side of God whenever a need arises in the divine work. If God feels that an atheist can be converted through a miracle, it takes place.

If God feels that a miracle can improve the faith or devotion of a devotee, then also a miracle can happen. These two cases are from the side of God and not from the side of devotee. This means that if the devotee says that he will be converted or he will develop the faith and devotion by a miracle, God will not do the miracle unless in His view there is a real hope for it. Even without the request from devotee or atheist, God will exhibit the miracle if God has hope. In any case the devotee should not aspire for the miracle even in the mind.

 The miracle will happen spontaneously if God is convinced. There is no need of any initiation or interaction from the side of the soul. Even a deserving devotee sometimes reduces the speed of the miracle by aspiring for it. The whole problem lies with miracles is that the attention of the soul to God is completely diverted to His power only.
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« Reply #912 on: November 26, 2010, 05:00:07 AM »

For example, you are unable to give healing, peace and cures to the sick and suffering children in Palestine.

OK, if your statement is correct and since Jesus is all merciful then He should have cured them from sitting in Heaven. Why Jesus is not doing so? Is Jesus creul to allow their suffering?

Can you answer this....?
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« Reply #913 on: November 26, 2010, 09:37:31 AM »

For example, you are unable to give healing, peace and cures to the sick and suffering children in Palestine.

OK, if your statement is correct and since Jesus is all merciful then He should have cured them from sitting in Heaven. Why Jesus is not doing so? Is Jesus creul to allow their suffering?

Can you answer this....?
Are you saying that God is not all merciful? 
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These stories (Puranas) are part of the spiritual knowledge...
Are these Puranas what the Puritans believe?  Is that where the name comes from?

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Due to ignorance about GOd, you are all dividing the humanity in orthodox, roman, protestant etc etc.....

Al contrario, mi amigo...


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« Reply #915 on: November 26, 2010, 12:15:25 PM »

What I find amusing is that tdattaspammi's thread has indeed inspired me to learn more about hInduism - and the more I learn about it, the LESS I believe dattaspammi's claim to be its representative. Cheesy
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« Reply #916 on: November 27, 2010, 01:20:26 AM »

Are you saying that God is not all merciful? 

God is all merciful. He intention is to permenantly change a soul to bring transformation in the soul.

God knows how to help a soul and what time. God sees the extent of transformation and change in the soul for the stopage of punishment. Punishment is only for change not for revenage.

   Suffering should disappear if people repent completely. However, we do not see it in all cases?

Jesus told that I would excuse all your sins if you have changed. What is the aim of the punishment? It is only reformation. Why God is punishing? Is it for revenge? Certainly, God will not punish for revenge. Punishment given by God is only for the transformation of the soul. If the soul repents and the soul is transformed, what is the need of punishment again? There is no need. However, in some cases we do not see the abrupt stoppage of suffering.

This is because, you certify your repentance and change, but God has to certify your repentance and change. Sometimes, you might have changed only 60%, 50% or 40%. You may think it is 100%. You may think that you have repented and changed fully. But, you may repeat the sin in some other new circumstances. Therefore, the certificate is to be given by God. He has to examine and He has to convince that you have transformed completely.

 Once God gets convinced that the soul has got completely transformed then certainly the miseries will disappear. Even if one gets such state, he will become the liberated soul. He has liberation from all miseries and all the karmas. But a liberated soul cannot keep silent. He has to enter the world to serve the mission of God and he almost has the same state of God. God wants to entertain Himself and in the entertainment, He wants misery also. In that case, He gets misery but not attached by misery. He enjoys the misery. It is completely different.
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« Reply #917 on: November 27, 2010, 01:23:32 AM »

Are you saying that God is not all merciful? 

God is a good Father who arranges the fruits of good and bad deed done by a soul to uplift it. GOd optimse the sequence of good and bad results so that the soul will not get bored off, only by experiecing bad lone or good alone.

        God acts as Father as well as the teacher (Guru) in the case of any soul.  Since God created the soul, He is the Father.  But at the same time He is the teacher who trains every soul to come up in the spiritual path.  Generally in the world the father is different since teacher is separate.  But here in the case of any soul the real Father and the real teacher is only one and that is God.  Therefore, God is always kind as Father and is strict and harsh as teacher.  But the harshness of the teacher is apparent only and in reality the harshness is kindness only.  Hence, basically God is always kind.  God appears harsh as the teacher and appears kind as Father.

 Since, the teacher is basically kind even in his harsh attitude also, God is always kind in reality or in the basic sense.  The souls have done continuous sins and continuous good deeds and if the results are to be given based on the same sequence and span of time, there will be continuous punishments for long time and continuous happiness for another span of long time.  Then it will be summer for one year and winter for one year. But the kindest God has re-arranged our results in such manner so that our human life is made with alternative good and bad results so that there will be summer for two months and winter for two months so that the two years are made with alternative couple of months of summer and winter. Neither summer nor winter bores with continuity and both summer and winter with the span of one year each gets exhausted.

The punishments are used to remove the ignorance and happiness is given as an interval between punishments.  The punishments are also selected in such a way so that their intensity is suitable to the frequency of requirement for the transformation in the life again and again.  This means that a particular soul requires a particular punishment of a specified intensity suitable to the degree of ignorance of the soul and based on the same, the duration of the punishment also varies from one soul to the other.  According to the requirement, a suitable portion from the result of the sin is cut like a piece from a large cake.  The size of the piece depends on the requirement of the nature of the soul.  The sizes of the pieces of the salt (bad result) and sweet (Good result) cakes depend upon the duration of treatment and interval required by the nature of the soul.

 The salt cake is a medicine for the ignorance and the sweet cake is the food during the treatment for the patient-soul. The left over cakes are used for the external hell and heaven in the upper world.  Whatever may be the place (hell or heaven or earth), the punishments are given for the treatment of ignorance only. In the earth the punishments are used as medicines but in the hell the punishments are used as the final surgery for removing the ignorance.  In any case only the kindness of God is always reflected.  Thus, God can be seen as Father or Teacher or Doctor giving medicines or surgeon doing operation and in all angles only the kindness is reflected always.  He is always working constantly to uplift every soul. God works as Teacher, Doctor and Surgeon and at the same time the God with an attitude of the Father also observes the possible limit up to which the soul can withstand the treatment. 

Once the limit is reached, God will regain the attitude of Father withdrawing Himself from the attitude of Teacher or Doctor or Surgeon and as a Father He starts giving the food of happiness for some time.  Remember that He is using the bad and good results of the deeds of the soul only in every action to uplift the soul.

 The deeds are done by the soul in a free atmosphere and God has no trace of interference and the same time all this treatment and food arranged alternatively makes the life cycle quite interesting to the soul without boring since continuity of anything is absent.  Otherwise the soul would have got bored and the Samskara (strong feeling) of boring should have followed the soul and the soul must have developed repulsion to this world as soon as it is born in this world.   

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« Reply #918 on: November 27, 2010, 01:28:42 AM »

What I find amusing is that tdattaspammi's thread has indeed inspired me to learn more about hInduism - and the more I learn about it, the LESS I believe dattaspammi's claim to be its representative. Cheesy

Just like you are all reject, Jesus coming in every generation, orthodox Hindus also reject Krishna coming in every generation, even though He taught it in Gita. THE mentality of people in any religion is the same. After all all are human beings only, covered by the two diseases, Jealosy and Egoism.

These two diseases have to be overcome to realise God in human form, untile then whatever may be religion, whatever may be the philosophy you follow, you will never ever accept God in human form of the present generation.

I will give an example for Hinduism itself.

Jambavan was a bear and who as knows for its rigidity. He was alive when God came as Rama and he was associated with Rama and was a devtee of Rama. When Rama died, Jambavan was still alive. Then Krishna came as Human incarnation. But Jamabvan could not relaise Krishna as the same GOd who came as Rama also, and fought with Krishna!!!

Present devotees of Krishna like wise reject the same God coming now in the present generation also!!

 The devotees of Krishna themselves are establishing the concept of contemporary human incarnation and they are not implementing it.  They say the story of Jambavan fighting with Krishna, who was worshipping the past human incarnation (Rama) only without recognizing the human form of God present before his eyes.  What is the conclusion of this story?  They themselves are establishing the ignorance of Jambavan in worshipping the past human incarnation without recognizing the present human incarnation exiting before the eyes.

 Finally Jambavan realized that the same God existed in the past human incarnation (Rama) and also in the present human incarnation (Krishna). This means that the same God can come again in a different human form, which was not recognized by Jambavan for the same reason of difference in the human forms and the external qualities.  I wonder how these devotees of Krishna who explained the story and preach the above conclusions do not practice the same and at least do not think about the search for human incarnation in the present time.

Jambavan is a bare which is famous for rigidity in catching anything.  Even such Jambavan could come out of his rigid concept but our present devotees of Krishna (more powerful bares) are not coming out of their rigid concept of the past human incarnation.  What is the use of preaching Bhagavatam without understanding the conclusions from the life history of Krishna?
 
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What I find amusing is that tdattaspammi's thread has indeed inspired me to learn more about hInduism - and the more I learn about it, the LESS I believe dattaspammi's claim to be its representative. Cheesy

Dattaswami is not the representative of only Hinduism, He is the representative of all the religions.

 GOd do not differentiate between Hindu, Christian etc. For God all are His children irrespective of religion, caste, nationality, languague, place, colour, culture etc etc.

Due to limited knowledge people limit GOd to their own religion or culture or place.

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« Reply #920 on: November 27, 2010, 01:35:04 AM »

So I haven't checked back in a while...are they unified yet??  Cheesy
It's kinda hard to follow, but it seems like we're getting there.  Puranas, those mean Brazilian fish, have ended up being central to it all.  It turns out that both sides of Hindoxy believe in fish.  As do the Puritans, for what that's worth.  (And rabbits would believe in fish, except that they haven't yet attained the ability to believe in anything, but that's better saved for another time.)

Anyway, since both believe that fish exist, there's no telling where this could end up going.  Next up, I think, is figuring out whether we all believe in trees or not.  If so, watch out!

The need of the hour is the true divine knowledge, concentrate on that, other aspects are only a time pass, main aspect is the divine knowledge, atleast learn the divine knowledge in theory to begin with.

Pleasing God is the main aim of life, other aspects are only side activities only. Do not get trapped by all other side activity like, name, fame, family, cultre, religion, country etc. Develop real love on God, participate in His mission of divine knowledge propagation. Learn the knowledge from the right authority-Human incarnation, understand it theoretically....
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God is omnipotent,



   God is said to be omnipresent. It means, God exists everywhere in the space. By this, you should not think that God pervades the entire space and hence God exists everywhere. This logic applies to the imaginable objects. If you say that the air is everywhere in the room, it means that the air is pervading all over the room. Both air and room are imaginable objects with spatial dimensions. The molecules of air occupy some little space and this is the real volume of the air. Under high pressure, such real volume can be measured. Therefore, air has spatial dimensions. In ordinary conditions, the molecules move freely in the room and the space of the room is available for the free movement of the molecules. Hence, the air is said to have the volume of room or container, which is the space available for the free movement of the molecules in this context. When you say that the light pervaded all over the space of the room, the light energy has waves having certain wave length. Length is a dimension of the space. Thus, all conclusions are based on the items having spatial dimensions. The logic derived based on such conclusions cannot be applied to God having no spatial dimensions.

The world is imaginable item having spatial dimensions. But, God pervading the world has no spatial dimensions. Therefore, you cannot say that God pervades all over the world like the air or light in the room and hence God exists everywhere. You should say that God is present everywhere because He is beyond space. The unimaginable God exists everywhere through His unimaginable power. You should be very careful in understanding the meaning of the word ‘omnipresent’ in the case of God.
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« Reply #922 on: November 27, 2010, 02:49:01 AM »

Are you saying that God is not all merciful? 

God is a good Father who arranges the fruits of good and bad deed done by a soul to uplift it. GOd optimse the sequence of good and bad results so that the soul will not get bored off, only by experiecing bad lone or good alone.

        God acts as Father as well as the teacher (Guru) in the case of any soul.  Since God created the soul, He is the Father.  But at the same time He is the teacher who trains every soul to come up in the spiritual path.  Generally in the world the father is different since teacher is separate.  But here in the case of any soul the real Father and the real teacher is only one and that is God.  Therefore, God is always kind as Father and is strict and harsh as teacher.  But the harshness of the teacher is apparent only and in reality the harshness is kindness only.  Hence, basically God is always kind.  God appears harsh as the teacher and appears kind as Father.

 Since, the teacher is basically kind even in his harsh attitude also, God is always kind in reality or in the basic sense.  The souls have done continuous sins and continuous good deeds and if the results are to be given based on the same sequence and span of time, there will be continuous punishments for long time and continuous happiness for another span of long time.  Then it will be summer for one year and winter for one year. But the kindest God has re-arranged our results in such manner so that our human life is made with alternative good and bad results so that there will be summer for two months and winter for two months so that the two years are made with alternative couple of months of summer and winter. Neither summer nor winter bores with continuity and both summer and winter with the span of one year each gets exhausted.

The punishments are used to remove the ignorance and happiness is given as an interval between punishments.  The punishments are also selected in such a way so that their intensity is suitable to the frequency of requirement for the transformation in the life again and again.  This means that a particular soul requires a particular punishment of a specified intensity suitable to the degree of ignorance of the soul and based on the same, the duration of the punishment also varies from one soul to the other.  According to the requirement, a suitable portion from the result of the sin is cut like a piece from a large cake.  The size of the piece depends on the requirement of the nature of the soul.  The sizes of the pieces of the salt (bad result) and sweet (Good result) cakes depend upon the duration of treatment and interval required by the nature of the soul.

 The salt cake is a medicine for the ignorance and the sweet cake is the food during the treatment for the patient-soul. The left over cakes are used for the external hell and heaven in the upper world.  Whatever may be the place (hell or heaven or earth), the punishments are given for the treatment of ignorance only. In the earth the punishments are used as medicines but in the hell the punishments are used as the final surgery for removing the ignorance.  In any case only the kindness of God is always reflected.  Thus, God can be seen as Father or Teacher or Doctor giving medicines or surgeon doing operation and in all angles only the kindness is reflected always.  He is always working constantly to uplift every soul. God works as Teacher, Doctor and Surgeon and at the same time the God with an attitude of the Father also observes the possible limit up to which the soul can withstand the treatment. 

Once the limit is reached, God will regain the attitude of Father withdrawing Himself from the attitude of Teacher or Doctor or Surgeon and as a Father He starts giving the food of happiness for some time.  Remember that He is using the bad and good results of the deeds of the soul only in every action to uplift the soul.

 The deeds are done by the soul in a free atmosphere and God has no trace of interference and the same time all this treatment and food arranged alternatively makes the life cycle quite interesting to the soul without boring since continuity of anything is absent.  Otherwise the soul would have got bored and the Samskara (strong feeling) of boring should have followed the soul and the soul must have developed repulsion to this world as soon as it is born in this world.   


You're long-winded and boring.
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« Reply #923 on: November 27, 2010, 02:50:03 AM »

What I find amusing is that tdattaspammi's thread has indeed inspired me to learn more about hInduism - and the more I learn about it, the LESS I believe dattaspammi's claim to be its representative. Cheesy

Dattaswami is not the representative of only Hinduism, He is the representative of all the religions.
Wrong.
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« Reply #924 on: November 27, 2010, 02:51:42 AM »

So I haven't checked back in a while...are they unified yet??  Cheesy
It's kinda hard to follow, but it seems like we're getting there.  Puranas, those mean Brazilian fish, have ended up being central to it all.  It turns out that both sides of Hindoxy believe in fish.  As do the Puritans, for what that's worth.  (And rabbits would believe in fish, except that they haven't yet attained the ability to believe in anything, but that's better saved for another time.)

Anyway, since both believe that fish exist, there's no telling where this could end up going.  Next up, I think, is figuring out whether we all believe in trees or not.  If so, watch out!

The need of the hour is the true divine knowledge, concentrate on that, other aspects are only a time pass, main aspect is the divine knowledge, atleast learn the divine knowledge in theory to begin with.

Pleasing God is the main aim of life, other aspects are only side activities only. Do not get trapped by all other side activity like, name, fame, family, cultre, religion, country etc. Develop real love on God, participate in His mission of divine knowledge propagation. Learn the knowledge from the right authority-Human incarnation, understand it theoretically....
We have.  His name is Jesus Christ, and the knowledge is called Orthodox Christianity.
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« Reply #925 on: November 27, 2010, 02:54:13 AM »

Due to limited knowledge people limit GOd to their own religion...
If this were true, it seems like we would never see any new religions.  How do you account for the many new religions we continue to see?
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« Reply #926 on: November 27, 2010, 03:02:15 AM »

God is omnipotent,



   God is said to be omnipresent. It means, God exists everywhere in the space. By this, you should not think that God pervades the entire space and hence God exists everywhere. This logic applies to the imaginable objects. If you say that the air is everywhere in the room, it means that the air is pervading all over the room. Both air and room are imaginable objects with spatial dimensions. The molecules of air occupy some little space and this is the real volume of the air. Under high pressure, such real volume can be measured. Therefore, air has spatial dimensions. In ordinary conditions, the molecules move freely in the room and the space of the room is available for the free movement of the molecules. Hence, the air is said to have the volume of room or container, which is the space available for the free movement of the molecules in this context. When you say that the light pervaded all over the space of the room, the light energy has waves having certain wave length. Length is a dimension of the space. Thus, all conclusions are based on the items having spatial dimensions. The logic derived based on such conclusions cannot be applied to God having no spatial dimensions.

The world is imaginable item having spatial dimensions. But, God pervading the world has no spatial dimensions. Therefore, you cannot say that God pervades all over the world like the air or light in the room and hence God exists everywhere. You should say that God is present everywhere because He is beyond space. The unimaginable God exists everywhere through His unimaginable power. You should be very careful in understanding the meaning of the word ‘omnipresent’ in the case of God.

More windy pontifications.

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The need of the hour is the true divine knowledge, concentrate on that, other aspects are only a time pass, main aspect is the divine knowledge, atleast learn the divine knowledge in theory to begin with.

Pleasing God is the main aim of life, other aspects are only side activities only. Do not get trapped by all other side activity like, name, fame, family, cultre, religion, country etc. Develop real love on God, participate in His mission of divine knowledge propagation. Learn the knowledge from the right authority-Human incarnation, understand it theoretically....
Theory?  Sure.  But some would argue that practical application is a valid component of religion, as well.  What does your theory say about the guy in the train station asking me for money?
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  What does your theory say about the guy in the train station asking me for money?

Any body suffers due to his or her own previous bad deeds. Suffering for God's mission is different thing. Jesus suffered for God's mission, His suffereing is for the goodness of humanity and not becuase of HIs previous sin and hence God Glorified Him.

But suffering of ordinary people not for God's mission is due to thier own previous sins only.


The person now begging on the street has lavishly spent money in the previous birth to undeserving. To teach him the lesson now he is suffering and looking for the money he has wasted.

Another example i will give you:

A poor peon- A begger- Deceased rich man

A poor peon is the greedy fellow in the previous birth, who earned wealth for generations through businesses and corruption without any sacrifice.

A beggar searching for money is a person, who wasted the money in lavish manner by giving to undeserving people.

 A life long deceased rich fellow is a rich person in the previous birth, who spent all the earnings for his selfishness only.

Another example for suffering due to ones own bad deeds:

Donation is very dangerous like double edged knife. Donating to undeserving persons is very big sin and not mere wastage. Today, if you see the feast of a marriage function, you will find most of the plates after feast are full of food items leftover. When you throw this food, it becomes a source for bacteria and virus, which may harm even good people in the society. Thus, the people, who have thrown the food, become sinners. The owner of feast, who gave this expensive food to them is also another sinner and will be punished by the divine law.

Both doer and promoter are equally punished (Kartha karaiyitaa chaiva...). Finally the married couple is also affected. Veda says that even a single particle of the food should not be wasted (Annamna parichakshita...). Once, in a function, the people were wasting food and the beggars on the other side were searching for the food in the leaves thrown away after the feast.

One devotee asked Bhagavan Shri Satya Sai Baba like this, “O Swami! What is this! In your creation I find people throwing food on one side and people searching for the thrown food on the other side”. Bhagavan Baba replied “Those beggars were also rich in the previous birth and threw the food like these rich people. They are now born as beggars and are searching for the food thrown by them in the past”. Therefore, the minimum eligibility of the receiver of food is: not to throw even an iota of food.

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Theory?  Sure.  But some would argue that practical application is a valid component of religion, as well.  What does your theory say about the guy in the train station asking me for money?

One can never serve an invisible God. You can pray an invisible God but not serve. God has to be practically alive with us. For example, those poor fishermen could serve Jesus as their GOd, since Jesus was present among them as a human being. Jesus was visible and they serve Him in His mission. By seeing the happiness in the face of Jesus, they understood that, God was pleased with them for their serving of Jesus and His mission.

Like wise God has to be with us in human form, then only we can form a bond with Him like our bond with our family or friends. Family members are with us in human form and hence we are bonded to them and we serve them. Like wise God has to be with us in HUMAN FORM, then only our love to Him is proved practically.


Hence to facilitate your love and service to Him in a practical way, He comes to us in human form like any other human  being. By loving and serving Him you are loving and serving God in the most practical and direct way possible......
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« Reply #930 on: November 27, 2010, 01:31:17 PM »

  What does your theory say about the guy in the train station asking me for money?

Any body suffers due to his or her own previous bad deeds. Suffering for God's mission is different thing. Jesus suffered for God's mission, His suffereing is for the goodness of humanity and not becuase of HIs previous sin and hence God Glorified Him.

But suffering of ordinary people not for God's mission is due to thier own previous sins only.


The person now begging on the street has lavishly spent money in the previous birth to undeserving. To teach him the lesson now he is suffering and looking for the money he has wasted.

Another example i will give you:

A poor peon- A begger- Deceased rich man

A poor peon is the greedy fellow in the previous birth, who earned wealth for generations through businesses and corruption without any sacrifice.

A beggar searching for money is a person, who wasted the money in lavish manner by giving to undeserving people.

 A life long deceased rich fellow is a rich person in the previous birth, who spent all the earnings for his selfishness only.

Another example for suffering due to ones own bad deeds:

Donation is very dangerous like double edged knife. Donating to undeserving persons is very big sin and not mere wastage. Today, if you see the feast of a marriage function, you will find most of the plates after feast are full of food items leftover. When you throw this food, it becomes a source for bacteria and virus, which may harm even good people in the society. Thus, the people, who have thrown the food, become sinners. The owner of feast, who gave this expensive food to them is also another sinner and will be punished by the divine law.

Both doer and promoter are equally punished (Kartha karaiyitaa chaiva...). Finally the married couple is also affected. Veda says that even a single particle of the food should not be wasted (Annamna parichakshita...). Once, in a function, the people were wasting food and the beggars on the other side were searching for the food in the leaves thrown away after the feast.

One devotee asked Bhagavan Shri Satya Sai Baba like this, “O Swami! What is this! In your creation I find people throwing food on one side and people searching for the thrown food on the other side”. Bhagavan Baba replied “Those beggars were also rich in the previous birth and threw the food like these rich people. They are now born as beggars and are searching for the food thrown by them in the past”. Therefore, the minimum eligibility of the receiver of food is: not to throw even an iota of food.


We don't believe in reincarnation.  This "previous life" garbage is a pagan concept.

You have a long road to hoe, buddy.
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« Reply #931 on: November 27, 2010, 01:54:24 PM »


Theory?  Sure.  But some would argue that practical application is a valid component of religion, as well.  What does your theory say about the guy in the train station asking me for money?

One can never serve an invisible God. You can pray an invisible God but not serve. God has to be practically alive with us. For example, those poor fishermen could serve Jesus as their GOd, since Jesus was present among them as a human being. Jesus was visible and they serve Him in His mission. By seeing the happiness in the face of Jesus, they understood that, God was pleased with them for their serving of Jesus and His mission.

Like wise God has to be with us in human form, then only we can form a bond with Him like our bond with our family or friends. Family members are with us in human form and hence we are bonded to them and we serve them. Like wise God has to be with us in HUMAN FORM, then only our love to Him is proved practically.


Hence to facilitate your love and service to Him in a practical way, He comes to us in human form like any other human  being. By loving and serving Him you are loving and serving God in the most practical and direct way possible......
You don't understand our concept of service.  Christ gave us two commandments: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" ~Luke 10:27

The Christian concept of service is helping those that are hungry, naked, and sick because they are our neighbors (Matthew 25:34-40), and are the images of God.

And, in case you were wondering, no, we won't serve you because you are not the incarnation of our God.  I don't know how many times we have to tell you that.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."  Chew on that a while.
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^"God" doesn't know how to use HTML tags.  Huh

You have to care for God's knowledge not HTML tags

POTM!  Cheesy
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« Reply #933 on: November 27, 2010, 09:00:13 PM »

  Christ gave us two commandments: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" ~Luke 10:27

The Christian concept of service is helping those that are hungry, naked, and sick because they are our neighbors (Matthew 25:34-40), and are the images of God.
What you have stated here is what makes excellent sense to me.
I don't see any reason to believe the swami who says that someone is poor or hungry because in a previous incarnation he was rich and ate excessively. I don't see any evidence  to believe in reincarnation or to worship a cow. In my personal opinion, a human child suffering in Palestine or elsewhere is worth almost infinitely more than an animal such as a cow. It is the suffering human child who is sacred and not the cow. 
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]We don't believe in reincarnation.  This "previous life" garbage is a pagan concept.

You have a long road to hoe, buddy.

You need not belive in previous life. That means for you this is the first and last life in this earth and after this hell or heaven. So how much serious you should be to please God when live in this world. Each moment is very important and should be used to please God.

Now let us analyse the concept of re-birth using bible....


In the Bible, there is an incident, in which Jesus cures a person who is blind by birth and Jesus spoke to the people that he was born blind not because of his sins, but for the glory of God. Is it not injustice and cruelty of God?


You have not the understood the context, which God alone knows. God will never do injustice. His acts are always just only. The person is born blind due to his own previous deeds only, and God is not at all responsible for that. This is the truth. This particular incident can be analysed in two ways. In the first case, the person would have completely undergone the results of his bad deeds by the time he saw Jesus. The cure by Jesus would have coincided with the end of punishment for his previous deeds. In the second case, Jesus would have actually carried the sins, which are supposed to be suffered by that blind person.

Also, by such verses, Jesus tested the attitude of the blind person towards Him. If he is a real devotee, when Jesus spoke that he is born blind for the glory of God, he would have accepted that statement thinking that it is the wish of God. In this case, the person is a real devotee of God and he never criticized God by hearing those statements from Jesus, rather he praised Him.


Infact, Jesus carried the sins of that person, during His crucifixion. The thorns, which were put on His head, pierced His eyes also, by which Jesus carried the sins of the blind person. This incident shows that God is always kind and He comes in human form and carries the sins of His People on to Him. His people are those who love Him alone without any desire or expecation.
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"'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind';  ~Luke 10:27



Yes loving God more than anybody is the called Nivrutti. For that to happen GOd has to me amidst us in human form other wise how  will you prove your love to Him over other loves you have?Huh

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 I don't see any evidence  to believe in reincarnation or to worship a cow. In my personal opinion, a human child suffering in Palestine or elsewhere is worth almost infinitely more than an animal such as a cow. It is the suffering human child who is sacred and not the cow. 

If what you said is correct, then why are you not answering me?? Give answer to my following question?

You are all Jump, cry and clapp hands for Jesus, and belive that He is alive in Heaven. Jesus means God. He is very very kind and loving. Why He is not solving the problem in the Palestine and give peace? Is He cruel not to allow it. Is not HE seeing the suffering of millions of people on the earth, raping, killing of children etc.

Even Jesus birth was witsnessed by killing of innocent babies? How when Jesus is said to be saviour His very birth was associated with killing of many innocent babies. Is Jesus cruel to allow the cutting of head of those innocent babies.

You are avoiding answer to me...

Give me first the answer for the above question...
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to believe in reincarnation or to worship a cow. In my personal opinion, a human child suffering in Palestine or elsewhere is worth almost infinitely more than an animal such as a cow. It is the suffering human child who is sacred and not the cow. 

You think that a person is very good because of his nice gentle character. There are cheats who are very soft and nice. There are very good and sincere people with rough character. A soft person may be selfish and a rough person may be sacrificial. The Lord cares only for one bad quality, which is the selfishness. He neglects all the other good qualities. A selfish person with all good qualities is like a gold cup with salt water. We pay for the material in the cup and not for the cup. A cruel person with excellent sacrifice is like the earthern cup containing nectar. Lord Siva gave salvation to the hunter for his sacrifice but not to the selfish sacred priest.

Thus we do not distinguish the real good and the real bad. The analysis of the Lord is completely practical and true and is completely different from our analysis. Regarding the problem of your child I advise you to stop worrying about your child. You worry about the work of the Lord and do not think about your problem. In such case your problem disappears in a fraction of a second spontaneously. As long as you do not put attention on your family and concentrate on the Lord’s work, the Lord will take the responsibility of your entire family and in such case the help to your family is unimaginable.

If you concentrate on your family leaving the Lord, your problem will grow more and more. If you concentrate on the Lord and your problem equally, your problem gets partially solved. Now you have to choose one of these alternatives.
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« Reply #938 on: November 28, 2010, 03:18:48 AM »

"'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind';  ~Luke 10:27



Yes loving God more than anybody is the called Nivrutti. For that to happen GOd has to me amidst us in human form other wise how  will you prove your love to Him over other loves you have?Huh

Please anwer this...

You didn't finish reading my post, did you?  Go back and read it.  The answer is there.
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« Reply #939 on: November 28, 2010, 03:19:11 AM »

You don't understand our concept of service.  Christ gave us two commandments: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" ~Luke 10:27


All the souls are servants of God and God is always the Master of souls (Aatmeshwaram… Veda). Since the relevant God is the contemporary human incarnation, the bond with the contemporary human incarnation must be the top most. Hanuman and Gopikas maintained top most bonds with their contemporary human incarnations viz. Rama and Krishna only. The top most bond with irrelevant energetic incarnations and past human incarnations become meaningless.

The photos and statues represent these energetic incarnations and past human incarnations and therefore, the bonds with such photos and statues are not only meaningless but also foolish. Of course, if the human being has not reached the stage of maturity to have bond with contemporary human form of God, the bond with photos, statues, energetic forms and past human forms should be respected, which serves the purpose of development of theoretical devotion to God. Such theoretical devotion on ripening becomes practical devotion to the contemporary human incarnation. You should always remember that the practical devotion to the contemporary human incarnation alone gives the divine fruit, which is clearly seen in Hanuman and Gopikas.
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« Reply #940 on: November 28, 2010, 03:20:22 AM »


You didn't finish reading my post, did you?  Go back and read it.  The answer is there.

I fully read it. You want to say that the foremost commadment is to love GOd more than anything and anybody in the world.

So my simple question to you, how to practically do it..?
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« Reply #941 on: November 28, 2010, 03:25:05 AM »

You don't understand our concept of service.  Christ gave us two commandments: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" ~Luke 10:27


All the souls are servants of God and God is always the Master of souls (Aatmeshwaram… Veda). Since the relevant God is the contemporary human incarnation, the bond with the contemporary human incarnation must be the top most. Hanuman and Gopikas maintained top most bonds with their contemporary human incarnations viz. Rama and Krishna only. The top most bond with irrelevant energetic incarnations and past human incarnations become meaningless.

The photos and statues represent these energetic incarnations and past human incarnations and therefore, the bonds with such photos and statues are not only meaningless but also foolish. Of course, if the human being has not reached the stage of maturity to have bond with contemporary human form of God, the bond with photos, statues, energetic forms and past human forms should be respected, which serves the purpose of development of theoretical devotion to God. Such theoretical devotion on ripening becomes practical devotion to the contemporary human incarnation. You should always remember that the practical devotion to the contemporary human incarnation alone gives the divine fruit, which is clearly seen in Hanuman and Gopikas.

Your Vedas are of no interest to me.  I do not believe in reincarnation, nor do I believe that you know what your talking about.
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« Reply #942 on: November 28, 2010, 03:31:52 AM »


You didn't finish reading my post, did you?  Go back and read it.  The answer is there.

I fully read it. You want to say that the foremost commadment is to love GOd more than anything and anybody in the world.

So my simple question to you, how to practically do it..?
My simple answer to you is by praying, fasting, and almsgiving to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, and heal the sick. 

How many charities do you donate to, Venu?
 
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« Reply #943 on: November 28, 2010, 03:56:14 AM »


The Christian concept of service is helping those that are hungry, naked, and sick because they are our neighbors (Matthew 25:34-40), and are the images of God.


Your statement is highly true. A poor devotee who is hungry, naked, and sick, if you help him, God will be very much pleased with you. If suppose he is not a devotee, then along with your help you should impart divine knowledge for his upliftment.
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« Reply #944 on: November 28, 2010, 04:00:03 AM »

My simple answer to you is by praying, fasting, and almsgiving to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, and heal the sick. 

How many charities do you donate to, Venu?
 

I am extremly happy to see your charity activities. Very good.

When the receiver is deserving like a devotee, God is pleased with you and suffers for your sake for the sake of the devotee, what ever may be your aim. If the receiver is a beggar, your sin is not cancelled but you will get heavenly reward separately. If the receiver is not deserving, even if you sacrifice without selfish motive, the sin is purchased. Therefore, every thing is decided by the quality of the receiver and not by your aim. If one drinks poison mistaking as milk, he dies. If one drinks milk mistaking it as poison, he is not affected.


I have started a Trust, which carries on three programmes:


•   Printing the divine knowledge in the form of books
•   Distributing the cassettes containing devotional songs and
•   Feeding beggars who are unable to earn (children, old, disabled and diseased).



 I told that God comes even in one human generation in several human forms to cater to the needs of people present in different spiritual levels, in different regions and in different religions. I never stated that I am the only human incarnation. Every divine preacher is a human incarnation of God. Only God speaks through them.

 Only God does the divine work through them. I consider all the Christian fathers and all the saints of Hinduism, Islam, and Buddhism as incarnations of God at different levels. Starting from the professor of a university every one is a teacher up to the schoolmaster. Even the professor has to teach like a schoolmaster if he is present in school-class. I told that one must take lot of time in analysing and selecting the real spiritual preacher.

Then he should involve in the service sacrificing work and fruit of work. You have twisted this point in My case to show your personal hatred to me. You must know that this sacrifice is praised in Gita. Even in Bible Jesus asked to sacrifice money and family for His sake. A person of other religion will criticise Jesus as you have criticised Me now. I preached the concept of Gita after practice only. I have sacrificed all the earnings of My lifetime for spiritual mission only.

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