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« Reply #585 on: November 15, 2010, 06:33:32 AM »



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Let us pray for Dattaswami, that God will remove far from him his delusions and fill him with the faith, hope and love which come from Him.



Thanks for your concern over me....

One should not reject true divine knowledge even if it is harsh

   True knowledge is compared to fire (Jnaanaagnih….Gita) because no false hood can survive in it without becoming ash. Certainly the true knowledge is harsh and looks like impossible to practice. The impossibility may be now but not in the future. The souls of Gana have practiced the true spiritual knowledge and hence it is not impractical. The time taken to reach the stage of practice may be days or months or years or births. At least appreciate the truth, which is the first step in the practice. If you avoid the appreciation and criticize it so that you can escape its practice, you are gone forever.

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« Reply #586 on: November 15, 2010, 06:56:53 AM »

Hinduism.
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Hinduism's Assault
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« Reply #587 on: November 15, 2010, 11:21:22 AM »

Hinduism.
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Hinduism's Assault
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By Hieromonk Seraphim Rose

http://www.orthodoxcentral.com/fatheralexander/unzippedfiles/hinduism_e.doc


Why are you linking religion with spiritual knowledge....??

Every Religion in this world wants you to get rid of bad qualities at least from today for the admission into that religion which is practically impossible. The reason is that these bad qualities were grown like hills for the past millions of births. This small human life is insufficient even to move them, not to speak of removing them. People can control the bad qualities to some extent by their efforts. These bad qualities are frequently sparking in the minds of even the most pious sages. If one says that he is good and he is devoid of all the bad qualities, it only cheating others, which in turn is cheating oneself. Due to this practically impossible condition, for the religious admission, people have developed allergy towards any religion because the eligibility for admission is impractical.

The religious preachers have confused the whole situation by fusing religion and spiritualism. Religion is the context of GOD to establish peace and justice in this world. In this context, you must control your bad qualities so that you will not disturb the peace and justice and will not harm any good person in this world. If you disturb the world by your bad qualities, God will punish you. But, in this context, it is sufficient if you control the bad qualities since you cannot remove them. The Religion ends here. Some religions strictly end here without any spiritualism.

The spiritualism is the context in which you have to make efforts to reach God. In this context, you need not even control your bad qualities because, God has no personal objection towards your bad qualities. These bad qualities cannot be obstacles in any manner in this context. Moreover, when you turn these bad qualities towards the God, they become your helpers. Any quality whether good or bad, is created by God only to help you in reaching Him. If you realize the original aim of all these qualities, good or bad, why should you control these qualities, which are with you as a helper? No fool controls his helpers. So, any quality when involved in spiritualism is used for its original aim, it becomes a good quality. So all your qualities become good in spiritualism and you need not put any effort to remove or even control them. When the qualities are not used for their original purpose, they become bad qualities. Therefore, whatever qualities turned towards the world, are bad qualities. In this spiritualism, there is no need of any effort even to control these bad qualities.

Then, for what, our effort should be made? Our effort should be concentrated to achieve “Bhakthi” which is the love on God. “Bhakthi” is achieved and is grown by the knowledge of God. For example, you came to know that Bombay City exists. This is the knowledge of existence of Bombay. By this you want to see Bombay. As you know the details of Bombay more and more, your desire to see the city becomes more and more. Knowing details about the Bombay City is again the further knowledge. So, knowledge is directly proportional to desire. First Rukmini heard that there is Lord Krishna on this earth. As she heard more and more about Lord Krishna from Sage Narada, her love on Krishna increased enormously. Narada means he who gives knowledge. Therefore, ‘Jnana”(knowledge) generates and develops “Bhakthi (devotion)”. Due to Bhakthi, the Lord is attained. Gita says the same ‘ONLY BY BHAKTHI I AM ATTAINED’ (‘Bhaktya………’).
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« Reply #588 on: November 15, 2010, 11:32:44 AM »

Hinduism
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Hinduism's Assault
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By Hieromonk Seraphim Rose

http://www.orthodoxcentral.com/fatheralexander/unzippedfiles/hinduism_e.doc


"Today christianity is taking the thrusts of a foe that is all but invisible to the faithful. And if it can, it will pierce to the heart before declaring its name. The enemy is Hinduism, and the war being waged is a war of dogma."
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« Reply #589 on: November 15, 2010, 11:33:35 AM »



Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

Let us pray for Dattaswami, that God will remove far from him his delusions and fill him with the faith, hope and love which come from Him.


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I appreciate you good heart... It is very good. In additon to it you shall develop love on God without any expecation of anything in return from Him. This is the secret to become very close to God...
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« Reply #590 on: November 15, 2010, 11:39:12 AM »



Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

Let us pray for Dattaswami, that God will remove far from him his delusions and fill him with the faith, hope and love which come from Him.


Lord, have mercy. 
Lord, have mercy. 
Lord, have mercy.
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« Reply #591 on: November 15, 2010, 12:16:29 PM »



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Let us pray for Dattaswami, that God will remove far from him his delusions and fill him with the faith, hope and love which come from Him.



Lord have mercy on our brother Venu Gopala! By the prayers of our father St. John Chrysostom, deliver Venu Gopala of the oppression of the evil one, release him from the chains of hell, heal him from the arrows of the enemy, throw that slanderous spirit in the darkness prepared for him and save the soul of Your creation Venu Gopala! Cast down from the life of Venu Gopala that old accuser, send your Archangel Michael as before, to destroy the power of the devil upon the life of Venu Gopala! Lord haver mercy, Lord have mercy, Lord have mercy!

St. John Chrysostom prayer:

O Eternal God, Who has redeemed the race of men from the captivity of the devil, deliver Thy servant Venu Gopala from all the workings of unclean spirits. Command the evil and impure spirits and demons to depart from the soul and body of your servant Venu Gopala and not to remain nor hide in him. Let them be banished from this the creation of Thy hands in Thine own holy name and that of Thine only begotten Son and of Thy life-creating Spirit, so that, after being cleansed from all demonic influence, he may live godly, justly and righteously and may be counted worthy to receive the Holy Mysteries of Thine only-begotten Son and our God with Whom Thou art blessed and glorified together with the all holy and good and life-creating Spirit now and ever and unto the ages of ages. Amen.

O Thou Who hast rebuked all unclean spirits and by the power of Thy Word has banished the legion, come now, through Thine only begotten Son upon this creature, which Thou hast fashioned in Thine own image and deliver him from the adversary that holds him in bondage, so that, receiving Thy mercy and becoming purified, he might join the ranks of Thy holy flock and be preserved as a living temple of the Holy Spirit and might receive the divine and holy Mysteries through the grace and compassion and loving kindness of Thine only-begotten Son with Whom Thou art blessed together with Thine all-holy and good and life-creating Spirit now and ever and unto the ages of ages. Amen.

We beseech Thee, O Lord, Almighty God, Most High, untempted, peaceful King. We beseech Thee Who has created the heaven and the earth, for out of Thee has issued the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, Thou Who has ordained that the fourfooted and irrational beasts be under subjection to man, for Thou hast subjected them. Lord, stretch out Thy mighty hand and Thy sublime and holy arm and in Thy watchful care look down upon this Thy creature and send down upon him a peaceful angel, a mighty angel, a guardian of soul and body, that will rebuke and drive away every evil and unclean demon from him, for Thou alone are Lord, Most High, almighty and blessed unto ages of ages. Amen.

We make this great, divine, holy and awesome invocation and plea, O devil, for thine expulsion, as well as this rebuke for your utter annihilation, O apostate! God Who is holy, beginningless, frightful, invisible in essence, infinite in power and incomprehensible in divinity, the King of glory and Lord Almighty, He shall rebuke thee, devil! -- He Who composed all things well by his Word from nothingness into being; He Who walks upon the wings of the air. The Lord rebukes thee, devil! -- He Who calls forth the water of the sea and pours it upon the face of all the earth. Lord of Hosts is His name. Devil: the Lord rebukes thee! He Who is ministered to and praised by numberless heavenly orders and adored and glorified in fear by multitudes of angelic and archangelic hosts. Satan: the Lord rebukes thee! He Who is honored by the encircling Powers, the awesome six-winged and many-eyed Cherubim and Seraphim that cover their faces with two wings because of His inscrutable and unseen divinity and with two wings cover their feet, lest they be seared by His unutterable glory and incomprehensible majesty, and with two wings do fly and fill the heavens with their shouts of "Holy, holy, holy, Lord Sabaoth, heaven and earth are full of Thy glory!" Devil: The Lord rebukes thee! He Who came down from the Father's bosom and, through the holy, inexpressible, immaculate and adorable Incarnation from the Virgin, appeared ineffably in the world to save it and cast thee down from heaven in His authoritative power and showed thee to be an outcast to every man. Satan: The Lord rebukes thee! He Who said to the sea, be silent, be still, and instantly it was calmed at His command. Devil: The Lord rebukes thee! He Who made clay with His immaculate spittle and refashioned the wanting member of the man blind from birth and gave him his sight. Devil: The Lord rebukes thee! He Who by His word restored to life the daughter of the ruler of the synagogue and snatched the son of the widow out from the mouth of death and gave him whole and sound to his own mother. Devil: The Lord rebukes thee! The Lord Who raised Lazarus the four-days dead from the dead, undecayed, as if not having died, and unblemished to the astonishment of many. Satan: The Lord rebukes thee! He Who destroyed the curse by the blow on His face and by the lance in His immaculate side lifted the flaming sword that guarded Paradise. Devil: The Lord rebukes thee! He Who dried all tears from every face by the spitting upon His precious expressed image. Devil: The Lord rebukes thee! He Who set His Cross as a support, the salvation of the world, to thy fall and the fall of all the angels under thee. Devil: The Lord rebukes thee! He Who spoke from His Cross and the curtain of the temple was torn in two, and the rocks were split and the tombs were opened and those who were dead from the ages were raised up. Devil: The Lord rebukes thee! He Who by death put death to death and by His rising granted life to all men. May the Lord rebuke thee, Satan! -- that is, He Who descended into Hades and opened its tombs and set free those held prisoner in it, calling them to Himself; before Whom the gatekeepers of Hades shuddered when they saw Him and, hiding themselves, vanished in the anguish of Hades. May the Lord rebuke thee, devil! -- That is, Christ our God Who arose from the dead and granted His Resurrection to all men.

May the Lord rebuke thee, Satan! -- He Who in glory ascended into heaven to His Father, sitting on the right of majesty upon the throne of glory. Devil: May the Lord rebuke thee! He Who shall come again with glory upon the clouds of heaven with His holy angels to judge the living and the dead. Devil: May the Lord rebuke thee! He Who has prepared for thee unquenchable fire, the unsleeping worm and the outer darkness unto eternal punishment. Devil: May the Lord rebuke thee! For before Him all things shudder and tremble from the face of His power and the wrath of His warning upon thee is uncontainable. Satan: The Lord rebukes thee by His frightful name!

Shudder, tremble, be afraid, depart, be utterly destroyed, be banished! Thee who fell from heaven and together with thee all evil spirits: every evil spirit of lust, the spirit of evil, a day and nocturnal spirit, a noonday and evening spirit, a midnight spirit, an imaginative spirit, an encountering spirit, either of the dry land or of the water, or one in a forest, or among the reeds, or in trenches, or in a road or a crossroad, in lakes, or streams, in houses, or one sprinkling in the baths and chambers, or one altering the mind of man. Depart swiftly from this creature of the Creator Christ our God! And be gone from the servant of God, Venu Gopala, from his mind, from his soul, from his heart, from his reins, from his senses, from all his members, that he might become whole and sound and free, knowing God, his own Master and Creator of all things, He Who gathers together those who have gone astray and Who gives them the seal of salvation through the rebirth and restoration of divine Baptism, so that he may be counted worthy of His immaculate, heavenly and awesome Mysteries and be united to His true fold, dwelling in a place of pasture and nourished on the waters of repose, guided pastorally and safely by the staff of the Cross unto the forgiveness of sins and life everlasting. For unto Him belong all glory, honor, adoration and majesty together with Thy beginningless Father and His all-holy, good and life-giving Spirit, now and ever, and unto ages of ages. Amen.

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« Reply #592 on: November 15, 2010, 12:23:32 PM »

I would like to beg specially to all the clergy present in this forum to pray St. John's prayer above privately, for our brother Venu Gopala.

And also to ask all forum members to use his real name, Venu Gopala, instead of the dellusional identity the devil has imposed on him.
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« Reply #593 on: November 15, 2010, 12:28:14 PM »

I would like to beg specially to all the clergy present in this forum to pray St. John's prayer above privately, for our brother Venu Gopala.

And also to ask all forum members to use his real name, Venu Gopala, instead of the dellusional identity the devil has imposed on him.
Thank you for the reminder, Fabio.
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« Reply #594 on: November 15, 2010, 12:31:50 PM »

Prayer of ordinary person Vs a high level devotee

Ganapati means the Lord of a group of close devotees, who have reached the climax of devotion. The word Gana does not mean the entire group of normal souls. Gana means a group of souls, who have become very close to the Lord by their unimaginable devotion. The Lord is certainly the master of all the souls, but the Gana is specially attached group of souls. The king is attached to the people in his kingdom, but he is specially attached to his family members.  There is difference in the intensity of the attachments. When the Lord incarnates on this earth in human form, these souls from the Gana also accompany the Lord. These liberated souls have no bondage of the cycle of deeds and their lives are totally planned by the Lord.

 For example, if you take the life of Jesus, His crucifixion was not due to His past deeds and it was purely based on the will of the Lord, who planned such incident in His life for the sake of uplift of the society. Therefore, Jesus prayed “Let Thy will be done”. Here the crucifixion is according to the will of the Lord. The same statement cannot be uttered by an ordinary human being in such situation.  The crucifixion of other two persons in the same time was based on their sins. Therefore, they cannot utter this statement because their lives were based on their deeds and not on the plan of God’s will. In the case of these two ordinary human beings, the proper statement should be “Let the Law take its own course”.  Without this analysis, ordinary human beings also utter the former statement due to ignorance.
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« Reply #595 on: November 15, 2010, 12:35:50 PM »

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St. John Chrysostom prayer:

O Eternal God, Who has redeemed the race of men from the captivity of the devil, deliver Thy servant Venu Gopala fro.......... not pleased with you and no fruit is seen for such wasteful external means.  
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Thank you very much for those beatiful prayer for me. I also pray that let God answer your prayers.

Mean while i tell you about the difference between prayers of ordinary people Vs prayer of God's real devotee:


When Sankara( a previous human incarnation) chanted Kanaka Dhara prayer the golden fruits fell as a rain even an ordinary fruit is not falling from the tree in spite of our chanting hundred times the same prayer.  What is the reason?

Answer for the above:

 One person got M.A. degree by working hard.  He applied for the post of a lecturer and attended the interview in neat dress.  He got the post.  Another fellow who failed 10th class is putting 100 applications for the same post everywhere.  He is going to the interview in very very attractive dress.  Such fellow is not even called into the room of interview.  I know in the olden days, a person received the appointment order for the post of  a lecturer from the Government even before the result of his M.A. degree was declared from the university.  The Government got the pass list from the university before it is announced.  Therefore if you have the deserving degree, you need not apply and need not go to the interview.  The order of appointment will come directly to your house.

  Similarly your chanting of the prayer is your application.  Your silk cloth, garlands, sacred ash on the forehead etc., compose the neat dress for the interview.

The practical sacrifice for the sake of the Lord crossing the family bonds is the real deserving M.A. degree, you must work hard to attain that degree.  Without doing that what is the use of all these external things.  Sankara sacrificed His old mother for the sake of the mission of the Lord, which is the propagation of divine knowledge.

  The deserving qualification of Sankara was responsible for that rain of golden fruits.  The prayer chanted by Him was merely a formal application for the post.  Even that application is not necessary if you have the deserving qualification.  Sabari, Kannappa, Elephant, Spider and Serpant never asked the Lord for anything.  Their practical sacrifice was their deserving qualifiation.  Our present tradition is preaching you to attain the external means only without the real internal deserving qualification.  Therefore the Lord is not pleased with you and no fruit is seen for such wasteful external means.  
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« Reply #596 on: November 15, 2010, 01:08:12 PM »

Venu,

the fruit will appear when the seeds in your heart grow. Repent and with a contrict heart call out for Jesus Christ, your Lord. You are not even a "real devotee" right now, and you know that very well. Never one single prayer of yours has been answered, you have rationalized everything with excuses. But that is not because God has forgotten you. He loves you more than you'll ever know. Stop lying to yourself, put your trust in Jesus Christ. What you have not been able to solve, He is going to solve for you, what was wrong, He will mend for you. He *can* heal you Venu, He can soothe your pains, He can protect you, He is waiting to have you in His arms, you don't have to hide anymore, there is no danger when God calls for you. Leave these lies behind, Venu, and rush to Jesus Christ. Pray. Pray for the first time in your life, not pridefully like something you're not, but truly, with humbleness of being Venu Gopala, the sinner, the broken man who needs God, who is His creation. Then look for an Orthodox parish, pray in silence at the backpart, start being part of the community with humbleness, seek cathecumanate with a spirit of learning and not of teaching. Be silent and learn with humbleness not only what is said, but what is done. Than be baptized, chrysmated and receive the Holy Body of Jesus Christ and His Most Pure Blood, live a good and humble life in the bosom of the Lord.
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« Reply #597 on: November 15, 2010, 02:31:25 PM »

dattaswami, if you trust in the word of the Gospels and Epistles, the Acts and Revelation, then there is no need for another human incarnation of God.  The Son of God became incarnate, and dwelt among us, and ascended body and soul, humanity and divinity to the Right Hand of the Father on High.  God may be dwelling in you, but He also dwells in us all, I believe, through through the reception of Holy Communion, through being sealed with the Holy Spirit at Chrismation, through being plunged through the waters at Baptism.  There is no special revelation, no secret faith, for all is made clear and bare through the Light of Life, the teaching of the Apostles.  Take your Hindu Gnosticism away with you, in the Name of the Lord who made the Heavens and the Earth, the Seas and all that is in them.  We know our Shepherd - He not only revealed Himself to us, and told us what to expect, but He remains with us, guiding and guarding us.  You have come not as the shepherd, but as a thief; as one who tries to divide the flock into higher and lower levels, more and less enlightened, so that as divided you can devour them in smaller pieces, less able to defend themselves.  We are not fooled, and we are not swayed by your passionate appeals to mysticism and your pagan gods; for we know the One Who Is, the Everlasting God, the God of our Fathers - you are not He, and those you extol are not He, and the One you invoke, the Son of the Living God, is not one with those others that you invoke also.  You are possessed by a blasphemous tongue; abandon it, accept repentance and confession, and become a member of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, the Body and Bride of Christ, the successors of the Apostles and the Vessels of the Holy Spirit in the world.
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« Reply #598 on: November 15, 2010, 03:01:44 PM »

dattaswami, if you trust in the word of the Gospels and Epistles, the Acts and Revelation, then there is no need for another human incarnation of God.  The Son of God became incarnate, and dwelt among us, and ascended body and soul, humanity and divinity to the Right Hand of the Father on High.  God may be dwelling in you, but He also dwells in us all, I believe, through through the reception of Holy Communion, through being sealed with the Holy Spirit at Chrismation, through being plunged through the waters at Baptism.  There is no special revelation, no secret faith, for all is made clear and bare through the Light of Life, the teaching of the Apostles.  Take your Hindu Gnosticism away with you, in the Name of the Lord who made the Heavens and the Earth, the Seas and all that is in them.  We know our Shepherd - He not only revealed Himself to us, and told us what to expect, but He remains with us, guiding and guarding us.  You have come not as the shepherd, but as a thief; as one who tries to divide the flock into higher and lower levels, more and less enlightened, so that as divided you can devour them in smaller pieces, less able to defend themselves.  We are not fooled, and we are not swayed by your passionate appeals to mysticism and your pagan gods; for we know the One Who Is, the Everlasting God, the God of our Fathers - you are not He, and those you extol are not He, and the One you invoke, the Son of the Living God, is not one with those others that you invoke also.  You are possessed by a blasphemous tongue; abandon it, accept repentance and confession, and become a member of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, the Body and Bride of Christ, the successors of the Apostles and the Vessels of the Holy Spirit in the world.

And with these excellent words of wisdom, I recommend that this thread now be locked! For what more needs to be said than what Father George has so eloquently and succinctly stated here?


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« Reply #599 on: November 15, 2010, 03:10:53 PM »

I would suggest re-naming the thread. Dattaswami may come from a Hindu background, and so forth, but he is not representative of Hinduism as a whole. To my knowledge, he hasn't said anything that most Hindus would disagree with -- in theory -- but his claim (from 2008) that he is the strongest devotee of Lord Datta(treya) is quite sectarian, to say the least.
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« Reply #600 on: November 15, 2010, 05:45:12 PM »

I would suggest re-naming the thread. Dattaswami may come from a Hindu background, and so forth, but he is not representative of Hinduism as a whole. To my knowledge, he hasn't said anything that most Hindus would disagree with -- in theory -- but his claim (from 2008) that he is the strongest devotee of Lord Datta(treya) is quite sectarian, to say the least.

From my reading, it looks like that's what he says to people who couldn't yet handle the "real truth," i.e. that he is actually a god.
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« Reply #601 on: November 15, 2010, 08:16:33 PM »

I agree with Jetavan.  dattaspammi is no more representative of Hinduism than our other friend Alfred is of evangelical Protestantism.
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Hinduism
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"Today christianity is taking the thrusts of a foe that is all but invisible to the faithful. And if it can, it will pierce to the heart before declaring its name. The enemy is Hinduism, and the war being waged is a war of dogma."


He sounds like a Vedantan to me.
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« Reply #603 on: November 16, 2010, 12:13:46 PM »

I would suggest re-naming the thread. Dattaswami may come from a Hindu background, and so forth, but he is not representative of Hinduism as a whole. To my knowledge, he hasn't said anything that most Hindus would disagree with -- in theory -- but his claim (from 2008) that he is the strongest devotee of Lord Datta(treya) is quite sectarian, to say the least.

From my reading, it looks like that's what he says to people who couldn't yet handle the "real truth," i.e. that he is actually a god.

How many of you can stand ......?

 In one minute you are believing Me as God. In the next minute you are treating Me as a human being possessed by God. In the next minute you decide that I am a partial incarnation of God. In the next minute your mind proposes that I am a devoted human being. In the next minute your intelligence decides that I am an ordinary human being with artificial devotion. In the next minute you conclude that I am a fraud. These states of your mind recycle again and again. Some devotees ask Me to inform them regarding their state in the spiritual journey (Sadhana). Which report I should give? Now I am declaring that I am the very Lord Dattatreya who came down to this earth to guide you in the spiritual path.

Tell Me, how many of you can stand on this faith? I am observing your minds and decisions every minute continuously. In one minute you are very near to Me in the inner circle. After five minutes you are in a foreign country, which is very far! I am also changing My positions in every minute to suit to the conclusions of a devotee and I am simultaneously existing in different positions to suit to different devotees. I am dancing according to your dance. I am mad by speaking in various ways since you are mad in various ways. You are confusing yourselves and blame Me as if I am confusing all of you! When you are discouraged I encourage you by telling that you are My inner most and most dear a liberated soul. But when ego enters your mind and you become inactive, I will expose the reality. Now you blame Me that I am liar!
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« Reply #604 on: November 16, 2010, 12:18:54 PM »

I would suggest re-naming the thread. Dattaswami may come from a Hindu background, and so forth, but he is not representative of Hinduism as a whole. To my knowledge, he hasn't said anything that most Hindus would disagree with -- in theory -- but his claim (from 2008) that he is the strongest devotee of Lord Datta(treya) is quite sectarian, to say the least.

God Datta = Heavenly Father....
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"Today christianity is taking the thrusts of a foe that is all but invisible to the faithful. And if it can, it will pierce to the heart before declaring its name. The enemy is Hinduism, and the war being waged is a war of dogma."


He sounds like a Vedantan to me.

A Messenger is just a microphone who is near to the speaker (person who speaks).

 The nearness is only for the convenience of the speaker and should not be misunderstood as dearness. The speaker is invisible and the visible microphone appears as if it is speaking. Similarly, you think that I am generating this divine knowledge since the speaker in Me is invisible. Similarly, whatever miracle is experienced by the devotee through Me is from that invisible speaker alone. The movement of the visible fan is due to the power of invisible electric current in it. In this angle of Messenger, the final essence is that this divine knowledge is coming from the Lord Himself.

 You can study it with utmost care and you can neglect Me since I am only a post man. The microphone covers only a small circle of people around it. But the amplifiers cover large circles and propagate in a big way. Similarly, I have propagated this spiritual knowledge through My speeches in small circles only. I am donating only My words and intelligence in the Mission of the Lord. But, My devotees are far superior to Me since have sacrificed not only the work but also the fruit of their work (money) in propagating this divine knowledge to the entire world.

They call Me as the Greatest. But they are greater than this Greatest. The Lord may be far or near the microphone or might have entered the microphone and spread all over the microphone to become one with it. In any case the microphone and the speaker are different. Electric current and the wire are different. The microphone may be very close to the speaker due to such a requirement. The amplifiers may be far from the speaker due to such a requirement. The nearest microphone does not mean that it is the dearest. Actually the amplifiers situated far from the speaker are doing greater service and become dearest to the speaker.


 Thus My devotees are dearer to the Lord than Myself. The closeness of Myself is just for the convenience of the Speaker (the Lord).

I often say to My devotees that I am greater than them by the role that I have taken in this world-drama. But as an actor of that role, I have the least value. In a film an actor may act as the Lord and another actor may act as the devotee. The actor acting as devotee may be paid ten times more than the actor acting as Lord. The value of the actor in the role of the devotee may be far more.


 Therefore, I say to My devotees “O fortunate devotees! When all of us go the Lord as His servants, you will be in the front and I will be in the back”. Bible says the same that the first will become last and the last will become first. This situation arises because we stand there as bare actors in front of the Lord since our roles are left on the earth”. The microphone, which is near to the speaker, must imbibe at least a little of the nature of the speaker. The speaker is invisible and is giving all the credit to the microphone. Unfortunately I am visible and cannot hide Myself to give the total credit to My devotees, which they really deserve. At least let Me give equal credit. The microphone and amplifiers are only instruments and there is no difference between instruments.

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« Reply #606 on: November 16, 2010, 12:27:02 PM »

I would like to beg specially to all the clergy present in this forum to pray St. John's prayer above privately, for our brother Venu Gopala.

And also to ask all forum members to use his real name, Venu Gopala, instead of the dellusional identity the devil has imposed on him.

Praying God to solve a problem is the most foolish path of ignorance


      God created this world with happiness and misery, which are alternating in the cycle like the plates in a moving wheel. God arranged the fruits of good and bad deeds in alternating manner even though good or bad deeds are done in a long sequence.  This reshuffled arrangement of happiness and misery resembles the sweet and hot dishes in the meals and also resembles to a cinema containing both scenes of happiness and tragedy in alternating manner.  Such system of alternating arrangement gives continuous entertainment not only to God but also to the individual soul.  Thus, the basic intention of the God is only to entertain Himself and also all the individual souls. Anything, either happiness or misery bores, if it is continuous.  Boring itself is misery.

 If you have compelled God to give happiness continuously though your prayers and worship, God will drag the happiness from the future cycle as a premature fixed deposit with reduced interest and hands it over to you.  He will not give happiness to you if there is no balance of good deeds.  As the impartial judge, He will not give happiness to you if there is no good deed in your list.  Therefore, asking God for continuous happiness is the most foolish solution because it bores giving misery to you at the expense of good deeds.  You are purchasing the misery with your hard earned cash! Moreover, when all the good deeds are exhausted, you will have the continuous misery only in all your future births.  Therefore, praying God to solve a problem is the most foolish path of ignorance.


 Such happiness attained is temporary. Hence, the permanent solution is only to learn to enjoy both good and bad results and attain continuous happiness without boring and this is the real bliss.  Bliss is the state of God, who is entertained with this world having alternating scenes of happiness and misery.  You have already learnt to be happy by enjoying the happiness.  Now through the spiritual knowledge and continuous practice, you learn to enjoy the misery also in equal way.  Now, your enjoyment becomes continuous without boring due to absence of single phase (happiness or misery) and you have attained the state of God which is possible though effort.  Now you can say that you are God because the maximum possible state of God is achieved (Matbhavamagatah..Gita).  Creation, Rule and Destruction of this world are impossible for any individual soul though any effort and hence these three capabilities are irrelevant to the spiritual effort. If you attain the aim, which is possible for attainment, it is certainly the full success and you can claim that you are God in the total sense of the possible achievement.
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« Reply #607 on: November 16, 2010, 01:12:25 PM »

I have found that many times those that are out to deceive will not just come out and simply state what they believe. I am asking from you a yes, or no answer to these questions, I don't want a small essay, just YES, or NO:

1) Are you a follower of some form/offshoot of Hinduism? Yes, or No?

2) Do you believe the historical Jesus Christ to be the ONLY way of Salvation? Yes, or No?

3) Is Christ Jesus, the Final, and Absolute Revealed Truth? Yes, or No?

Please answer yes or no only. This will give everyone a clear starting point on what you believe. If you will not answer simply and concisely to the above, than you are here only to lead others astray. I for one am interested in the parallels between different faiths. I have read 14 pages of you talking in circles. Which for me is very reminiscent of other writings that I have read from certain cults. Never will they just declare simply and openly what they are espousing. I look forward to your responses. God be with you!
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I have found that many times those that are out to deceive will not just come out and simply state what they believe. I am asking from you a yes, or no answer to these questions, I don't want a small essay, just YES, or NO:

1) Are you a follower of some form/offshoot of Hinduism? Yes, or No?

2) Do you believe the historical Jesus Christ to be the ONLY way of Salvation? Yes, or No?

3) Is Christ Jesus, the Final, and Absolute Revealed Truth? Yes, or No?

Please answer yes or no only.
I don't think he will answer with a simple "yes" or "no" -- that's the problem. Cheesy
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« Reply #609 on: November 16, 2010, 01:44:04 PM »

I would suggest re-naming the thread. Dattaswami may come from a Hindu background, and so forth, but he is not representative of Hinduism as a whole. To my knowledge, he hasn't said anything that most Hindus would disagree with -- in theory -- but his claim (from 2008) that he is the strongest devotee of Lord Datta(treya) is quite sectarian, to say the least.

God Datta = Heavenly Father....

No. It's Satan, Venu. Stay away fom him.
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« Reply #610 on: November 16, 2010, 05:45:02 PM »

FWIW I am reading a very interesting book called "Hinduism and Christianity", by Swami Satprakashanada, published in 1975 (available on Amazon if you're interested). 

It's quite good, and explains in lucid, relatively easy to understand English the similarities and differences between the two faiths.

Of course, being written by a Hindu, it is certainly biased in favor of Hinduism.  But unlike our friend dattaspammi's posts here, it's actually quite readable and educational.  Speaking as someone who isn't really as informed about Hinduism as I'd like to be, I highly recommend it.  Cool
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FWIW I am reading a very interesting book called "Hinduism and Christianity", by Swami Satprakashanada, published in 1975 (available on Amazon if you're interested).  

It's quite good, and explains in lucid, relatively easy to understand English the similarities and differences between the two faiths.

Of course, being written by a Hindu, it is certainly biased in favor of Hinduism.  But unlike our friend dattaspammi's posts here, it's actually quite readable and educational.  Speaking as someone who isn't really as informed about Hinduism as I'd like to be, I highly recommend it.  Cool
Great book. The swami, invoking Paul, argues that the resurrection of Christ was spiritual, not physical, which is a common enough interpretation. However, many Hindus would argue that the resurrection was physical, as well as spiritual.
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« Reply #612 on: November 16, 2010, 06:12:46 PM »

Yes, it's also interesting to find so manydifferent schools of thought all under the loose banner of "Christianity" - er, I mean "Hinduism". Wink
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I have found that many times those that are out to deceive will not just come out and simply state what they believe. I am asking from you a yes, or no answer to these questions, I don't want a small essay, just YES, or NO:

1) Are you a follower of some form/offshoot of Hinduism? Yes, or No?

2) Do you believe the historical Jesus Christ to be the ONLY way of Salvation? Yes, or No?

3) Is Christ Jesus, the Final, and Absolute Revealed Truth? Yes, or No?

Please answer yes or no only. This will give everyone a clear starting point on what you believe. If you will not answer simply and concisely to the above, than you are here only to lead others astray. I for one am interested in the parallels between different faiths. I have read 14 pages of you talking in circles. Which for me is very reminiscent of other writings that I have read from certain cults. Never will they just declare simply and openly what they are espousing. I look forward to your responses. God be with you!

YES. If you say 100 times Jesus as God, I will say million times Jesus as God!!. Jesus was God in human form no doubt about that. But JESUS is not with us. He was the human incarnation for that generation. NOw Jesus is present in the present human incarnation. Jesus is not speaking to us, only present human form of Jesus alone can speak to us.


Jesus tells the following to you::


I am giving spiritual knowledge – through this body of Datta Swami,
I will propagate this knowledge – through devotees of Datta Swami.
The same current moves fan and – lightens tube light, works differ,
But the inner current is one and same, – it is a teamwork always.
All the devotees participating in – the propagation of this knowledge
Become human incarnations, - since I will enter into them.
Only blessed devotees of My – inner most circle or family alone
Will propagate this knowledge – to give guidance to entire world.

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Hinduism
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Hinduism's Assault
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By Hieromonk Seraphim Rose

http://www.orthodoxcentral.com/fatheralexander/unzippedfiles/hinduism_e.doc


"Today christianity is taking the thrusts of a foe that is all but invisible to the faithful. And if it can, it will pierce to the heart before declaring its name. The enemy is Hinduism, and the war being waged is a war of dogma."


He sounds like a Vedantan to me.

JESUS MESSAGE TO ALL OF YOU...........

I am killed by My children on the cross. The revenge is Mine. My revenge is not to kill them, but to kill their ignorance. My most powerful weapon is infinite love. If you love Me, I will allow Myself to be loved by you so that at last, you will find that you loved yourself by loving Me. Similarly, if you deceive Me I will allow Myself to be deceived by you and at last, you will find that you deceived yourself by deceiving Me. Your real love is proved only by money. You love your children truly. Therefore you are giving your money to your children. Similarly if you love Me you will give your money to Me for My work. This is the practical fire-test of your real love. Prayers by words and meditation by mind are just like the pickles (side dishes) in the plate. The sacrifice of a part of the fruit of your work (money) and the sacrifice of a part of your work atleast, are the central bread in the plate. Both these two parts put together is called divine service.

Without this practical divine service, there is no use of mere prayers and meditation. Without divine service, if you are offering only prayers and meditation to Me, you are offering Me a meal-plate with only pickles and without the central bread. When I eat only the pickles, My stomach burns and I become furious. This is the reason why I am not answering your prayers and meditation in the absence of service. Ofcourse if you are incapable of sacrificing your money towards My work, atleast sacrifice your work for My work. If you are really incapable of sacrificing both these, then alone will I accept your prayers and meditation, because you cannot do any thing more than that. In such case the pickles offered by you will become pieces of sweet fruits and I shall answer your prayers positively.
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Jesus tells the following to you::


I am giving spiritual knowledge – through this body of Datta Swami,
I will propagate this knowledge – through devotees of Datta Swami.
The same current moves fan and – lightens tube light, works differ,
But the inner current is one and same, – it is a teamwork always.
All the devotees participating in – the propagation of this knowledge
Become human incarnations, - since I will enter into them.
Only blessed devotees of My – inner most circle or family alone
Will propagate this knowledge – to give guidance to entire world.

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For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.


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For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
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« Reply #616 on: November 17, 2010, 02:30:35 AM »

Can Dattaswami explain how Bristol always makes it to the next week?  Huh
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Seriously, I think it's high time to ban this guy. He's getting more aggressive and blasphemous every time he posts.
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I am giving spiritual knowledge – through this body of Datta Swami,


Swami,

Have you located the present incarnation of Mary the mother of Jesus?  Perhaps she is in-between incarnations at the moment?   Imagine how wonderful it would be to talk to her.
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Well I hope the last post from this guy has some therapeutic benefit because it seems most irrational. Lord, we pray for this individual to be freed from delusion, brought to a sound mind, healed of any infirmity and to have salvation through Christ to the blessed Trinity.
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« Reply #620 on: November 17, 2010, 09:44:12 AM »

Well I hope the last post from this guy has some therapeutic benefit because it seems most irrational. Lord, we pray for this individual to be freed from delusion, brought to a sound mind, healed of any infirmity and to have salvation through Christ to the blessed Trinity.

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Seriously, I think it's high time to ban this guy. He's getting more aggressive and blasphemous every time he posts.

How you are different from those Jews who critisised Jesus. The following gives the account of it:

I and my Father are one.

10:31  Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

10:32  Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

10:33  The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

10:35  If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came,
and the scripture cannot be broken;

10:36  Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
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« Reply #622 on: November 17, 2010, 10:15:13 AM »

Seriously, I think it's high time to ban this guy. He's getting more aggressive and blasphemous every time he posts.
I second that.

This dude doesn't get the message--we aren't falling for his delusions.  There is nothing more he can say that will convince us, well, me, at least, that he is anything but demon-possessed.  Why are we allowing him to blaspheme and lie about our God??  I honestly don't understand.  Undecided

Perhaps I and like-minded posters should just let this thread fade into obscurity.
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Can Dattaswami explain how Bristol always makes it to the next week?  Huh

This question you can put to a an astrologer and get an answer. Only satan challenge God, are you satan?

For ordinary low level people, God is a power, a foreteller. Such low level people do not know that God is the divine knowledge...His identification mark is the divine knowledge. He is identified by divine knowledge not by miracles. Even demons can do miracles they are not God. In fact they obtained the miracle doing power from God by doing penance and they were not for His knowledge. Ultimately those demons were destroyed by God Himself.

You are an educated person and why are you not using your brain to analyse this divine knowledge. As per you God is one who foretel some event which is going to happen. Even if I tell you that event, then also you will not believe you will tell it is due to satan i am able to tell like that.

Hence for a doubting Thomas like you it is very difficult to digest divine knowledge.

For people like you only Jesus told the parables so that people of your level could not understand anything.

Only a very few real devotees can understand His divine knowledge. Others cannot because their love on God is almost zero.... Without love you can never ever please God....Never ever....

All of you are jumping, crying, weeping and dancing for Jesus. But when He comes you are neglecting HIm and insulting Him...

Why are you not allowing Jesus to come to you in human form? Because you do not love Jesus. You Love HIs power not Jesus. If you had loved Jesus in reality, you have developed the love to see Him alive now and talk to Him. This itself shows your hypocrisy. You love Jesus power not Jesus. Had you loved Jesus really, then you would have searched Him right here on earth and due to your earnestness, Jesus would have come to you in human form and would have taught you. Due to your less love on Jesus, Jesus is also not interested in your case!!

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« Reply #624 on: November 17, 2010, 10:25:07 AM »

Seriously, I think it's high time to ban this guy. He's getting more aggressive and blasphemous every time he posts.
I second that.

This dude doesn't get the message--we aren't falling for his delusions.  There is nothing more he can say that will convince us, well, me, at least, that he is anything but demon-possessed.  Why are we allowing him to blaspheme and lie about our God??  I honestly don't understand.  Undecided

Perhaps I and like-minded posters should just let this thread fade into obscurity.

Jesus told in St. John gospel, to whom the knowledge has come He is God Himself.

Are you not able to understand gospel also!!
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I am giving spiritual knowledge – through this body of Datta Swami,


Swami,

Have you located the present incarnation of Mary the mother of Jesus?  Perhaps she is in-between incarnations at the moment?   Imagine how wonderful it would be to talk to her.

The true God comes to this world in human form and HIs inner most circle accompany Him. All His disciples and relatives are His devotees only. Even parents of Human incarnation are devotees but under the cover of mask. They generally treat Him as their own son, not as God due to the agreement of God only. This is just to maintain the natural family relations.

Thus Jesus taught Mary to cut here blind bond with Son (Jesus), becasue she condered Him as Her own son alone. So there is a bond for mary to Jesus as a son to a mother. Thus Jesus tried to break such worldly bond by discouraging her, telling that those who follow My words are more than My mother. He was preparing her to with stand the crucification even. Any mother will break down seeing her own son dying on the cross.

Jesus prepared Mary to undergo that pain...
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« Reply #626 on: November 17, 2010, 10:35:36 AM »

Now Venu you are speaking quite differently than you were before. You first claim yourself a Christian, and then when pressed for straightforward answers you become less than charitable. And BTW, please stop playing the martyr card OK? We are not the Jews, and you are not Christ. Just because we oppose your teachings does not make you automatically the harbringer of truth. Your logic is circular, and you have completely failed to convince anyone to follow you. You are a FAR cry from OUR Christ.
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« Reply #627 on: November 17, 2010, 10:54:21 AM »

Now Venu you are speaking quite differently than you were before. You first claim yourself a Christian, and then when pressed for straightforward answers you become less than charitable. And BTW, please stop playing the martyr card OK? We are not the Jews, and you are not Christ. Just because we oppose your teachings does not make you automatically the harbringer of truth. Your logic is circular, and you have completely failed to convince anyone to follow you. You are a FAR cry from OUR Christ.

Veda says that true (Satyam Jnanam) and excellent (Prajnanam) spiritual knowledge alone is the real identification of God.  Therefore, you have to examine the knowledge first and not the preacher.
 
While you are examining the answer scripts of the students, you are unaware of any student.  You are giving highest marks simply based on the merit of the answer without knowing the student of that script.  You are not aware of the personal merits and personal defects of the student while giving the highest marks to a particular script. 

You are not judging the student by his character and conduct.   The knowledge of the student alone is relevant basis for giving the gold medal.  Similarly, the true and excellent spiritual knowledge alone is the deciding factor for identifying God in human form of the present generation because you are going to get the right direction in your spiritual journey through the true knowledge only.

 Gita also says that the Preacher of the true knowledge is God (Jnanitvaatmaiva….).  This means that the merit of the knowledge alone should be the deciding factor in recognizing God. 
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« Reply #628 on: November 17, 2010, 11:10:33 AM »

Dear Swami,

If you are the incarnation of Jesus Christ I suppose there must be other Swamis on earth who are incarnations of Gautama Buddha, also of Muhammad and Zoroaster and Confucius.

Is there some sort of Accreditation Board for Professional Swamis and Incarnations which investigates these matters and declares if it is a genuine incarnation or not?
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« Reply #629 on: November 17, 2010, 11:13:49 AM »

Quote from: dattaswami
The true God comes to this world in human form and HIs inner most circle accompany Him. All His disciples and relatives are His devotees only. Even parents of Human incarnation are devotees but under the cover of mask. They generally treat Him as their own son, not as God due to the agreement of God only. This is just to maintain the natural family relations.

Thus Jesus taught Mary to cut here blind bond with Son (Jesus), becasue she condered Him as Her own son alone. So there is a bond for mary to Jesus as a son to a mother. Thus Jesus tried to break such worldly bond by discouraging her, telling that those who follow My words are more than My mother. He was preparing her to with stand the crucification even. Any mother will break down seeing her own son dying on the cross.

Jesus prepared Mary to undergo that pain...


Are you referring to St. Simeon?

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Luke 2:25-35
25 And behold, there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon, and this man was just and devout, waiting for the Consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. 26 And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord’s Christ. 27 So he came by the Spirit into the temple. And when the parents brought in the Child Jesus, to do for Him according to the custom of the law, 28 he took Him up in his arms and blessed God and said:
       29 “ Lord, now You are letting Your servant depart in peace,
      According to Your word;
       30 For my eyes have seen Your salvation
       31 Which You have prepared before the face of all peoples,
       32 A light to bring revelation to the Gentiles,
      And the glory of Your people Israel.”

33 And Joseph and His mother[a] marveled at those things which were spoken of Him. 34 Then Simeon blessed them, and said to Mary His mother, “Behold, this Child is destined for the fall and rising of many in Israel, and for a sign which will be spoken against 35 (yes, a sword will pierce through your own soul also), that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.”


St. Luke tells us the real words of the Virgin Mary.

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Luke 1:41-55
41 And it happened, when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, that the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 Then she spoke out with a loud voice and said, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43 But why is this granted to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 For indeed, as soon as the voice of your greeting sounded in my ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. 45 Blessed is she who believed, for there will be a fulfillment of those things which were told her from the Lord.”
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46 And Mary said:


      “ My soul magnifies the Lord,
       47 And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.
       48 For He has regarded the lowly state of His maidservant;
      For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed.
       49 For He who is mighty has done great things for me,
      And holy is His name.
       50 And His mercy is on those who fear Him
      From generation to generation.
       51 He has shown strength with His arm;
      He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
       52 He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
      And exalted the lowly.
       53 He has filled the hungry with good things,
      And the rich He has sent away empty.
       54 He has helped His servant Israel,
      In remembrance of His mercy,
       55 As He spoke to our fathers,
      To Abraham and to his seed forever.”



This is what really happened to Jesus:


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Luke 24:51-53
51 Now it came to pass, while He blessed them, that He was parted from them and carried up into heaven. 52 And they worshiped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy, 53 and were continually in the temple praising and blessing God. Amen.

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