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« Reply #495 on: November 12, 2010, 04:02:25 AM »

Oh, that's good.  Grin
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« Reply #496 on: November 12, 2010, 04:16:32 AM »


Do not mock any body....

Never criticize any one in the world.  If you do not like to praise somebody, keep silent.  If you scold somebody and suppose God is hidden in that person, it will lead to immediate punishment.  Worship of God and insulting God will have immediate results in this world because both are powerful (Atyutkataih Papapunyaih……).  The help and insult to the colleague souls will have results in the upper world in heaven and hell.  But the service and insult to God in human form and devotees will have immediate results here itself.
 Generally it is very difficult to identify God in human form who will try to hide Himself by looking like an ordinary person or some times looking like even a negative person.  God in human form acts according to the role taken on the stage of the world.  The role is according to the divine program drawn by God Himself.  The role generally does not contain the supernatural behavior, which will create problems of free mixing of God with the souls.  The role consists of mainly normal behavior and sometimes subnormal behavior to test the devotees or to drive away the undeserving devotees who will try to exploit God.  In such case there is every possibility of misunderstanding God as a normal human being or some times as a bad human being.

If you neglect God assuming Him as a normal human being, there is nothing wrong in it and you will not be in loss even though you may not have the benefit. But if you insult Him assuming a bad fellow, that is the greatest sin and will have immediate negative effect.  Since, we cannot trace out God easily, it is better not to criticize even a bad fellow.  Leave him to his fate.  Who are you to criticize anybody?  You have lot of bad points shown by your bulky thumb, when you point out others with your lean finger.  The constitution of God running the divine cycle of deeds will take care of everything in the world.  Why do you unnecessarily take the risk of insulting the hidden God? 


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« Reply #497 on: November 12, 2010, 04:22:38 AM »


Indeed you are a very good artist, i appreciate that work of you, but along with this appreciation, i request you to read my above reply also!!!
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« Reply #498 on: November 12, 2010, 04:35:38 AM »

dattaswami, if you're really God, why do you not know how to speak and write English properly?  
God comes in human form for preaching divine knowledge. For other worldly knowledge like science, mathematics etc already lot of experts are available in this world itself. GOd need not come to the world for preaching mathematics etc. Jesus never preached mathematics etc....

God has a serious job to do, to preach the divine knowledge and to uplift the human souls. It is a very tough task which GOd alone can do, no body else can do this demanding job, since God alone posses the truth and He is the correct place of divine knowledge and He alone knows about Himself and there is a necessity that He has to be here on earth for preaching divine knowledge to people.

Already there are lot of false human preachers established in this world without any effort who preaches that salvation is free gift etc. Among such false preaches the true God decends in Human form. When the true God comes with the fire (the true knowledge) these petty human preachers run under cover. They will not be able stand infront of true divine knowledge. God alone can preach true divine knowledge.

Human preachers who are ordinary human beings; preach non-sense and increase your attachment to world rather than God.

God alone can preach the truth because He alone has the guts to do that, because He is unselfish and not for any followers, He is not going to loose or gain anything; hence He preaches the truth. He is not bothered about His followings or number of disciples. But human preachers are not like that, they need big crowds, clapping, fame name etc.

God preaches truth even if others dislike it.....
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God preaches truth even if others dislike it.....


The famous Kama Sutra states that homosexual sex "is to be engaged in and enjoyed for its own sake as one of the arts."

Swami,  would this apply to the incarnations of the divinity on earth?  What about Swamis and all religious teachers?    Would it be a sign that they are *not* from God and not preaching the truth if they did not engage in homosexual sex?

I understand that you are seen as a divine incarnation.  Do you uphold this teaching?
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God preaches truth even if others dislike it.....


The famous Kama Sutra states that homosexual sex "is to be engaged in and enjoyed for its own sake as one of the arts."

Swami,  would this apply to the incarnations of the divinity on earth?  What about Swamis and all religious teachers?    Would it be a sign that they are *not* from God and not preaching the truth if they did not engage in homosexual sex?

I understand that you are seen as a divine incarnation.  Do you uphold this teaching?
Homosexuality is not good. First of all, one should know that the concept of sex should not be magnified and should not be given over attention. Sex is a biological need of the body like hunger and thirst. It is a biological issue at physical level because, when the food is taken, a part of it is supplied to the reproductive system, by which, it gives signals in the form of sexual desire for the growth of human race on this earth. It is created by God for this purpose so that the souls come down to the earth through the bodies created by sexual union. Thus, sex is a factor involved in the divine mission, which functions in a circular way by bringing down the souls to the earth and taking them away from the earth.

Disease is another biological need for the body to disintegrate and liberate the soul for its journey to the upper world. This is the cycle of creation called as “karma chakra”, which involves of taking the souls to the upper world for treatment and bringing down the souls after treatment. Birth is a vehicle in one direction running with the petrol called sex. Death is the same vehicle running in reverse direction with the petrol called illness. Petrol is one and the same and therefore sex is a type of illness, which is in the divine service of God and should not be looked down or aversed.

Sex is divine and its deity is “Manmadha” or “kama deva”, who is the son of Lord Narayana only. He is doing the divine duty following the path of Pravritti or justice. In the Gita, Lord said that He is kama, following justice (Dharmaaviruddhah...). There is no need of shy in feeling hungry, thirsty, sleepy, spitting, urination, excretion etc. which are just simple biological, universal and routine activities. Sex is also in the same list, about which you should not think so much.

   If you have understood the divine purpose of sex, there is no meaning in the homosexuality. It can be taken as a peculiar type of the biological need, which has no divine purpose. Satisfaction of hunger by eating food is not the divine aim. To maintain the body for doing Sadhana is the divine purpose and hunger is a signal indicating the same point. Without knowing this aim, some people say, “What is this eating, sleeping, living etc?” It shows their ignorance about the main aim of the human life. According to many, the aim of the human life is to enjoy the life with the family and get name and fame in the society as a rich man or as a scholar or as a capable person etc.

 Many feel that they have lifted the Govardhana hill by earning money and by bringing up their children. They feel that their lives are fulfilled when the circle of their friends and relatives appreciate him as a great disciplined person by uplifting his children. He wants appreciation from the friends and relatives by words like “How much educated and rich he is! Yet see his humbleness, humility and simplicity!” The poor fellow become unconscious by this hypnotic drug and helps them, whose aim is only the help from him. When the help is over, their suppressed jealousy comes out who will be abusing him. Thus, his life is neither fulfilled in this world, nor in the upper world.

   The sages saw Rama and liked to embrace Him. Is it not homosexuality? No. They will not have such feeling, which is unjust and unnatural also. It is unjust because, it does not serve the purpose of reproduction, which is the divine justice. It is also not a natural path of satisfying the sex hunger. They had beautiful wives and reproduced children, thus serving the divine mission of the Lord. Moreover, they did not like to embrace Him in the same forms as males. They liked to embrace Him after transforming into females. This does not come under Pravritti, because they have wives and children already.

This comes under nivritti in which the climax of love towards God called as devotion, which crosses all the limits of nature and justice. It is infinite love towards God, which is unimaginable. The context of such feeling is neither reproduction, which is divine mission nor the pacification of sex-hunger, which is a biological need. It is the unimaginable attraction of the heart of the devotee towards the Lord. This attraction is not simply based on the physical beauty of the Lord, which is meaningless, if analysed. It is the attraction of the heart of the devotee towards the total personality of the Lord.

There is no distinction of male and female in nivritti. It is the point between God and soul. The same soul can exist in a body of male or female. The attraction between the soul and God cannot be compared to the attraction between two souls. Thus, there is a fundamental difference irrespective of the biological sex, which is related to the bodies. “Pumsaam mohna rupaaya” means that the sages are attracted by the divine personality. Moha means attraction and not sex. Kama is sex.

   The husband wants that his wife should not be attracted by other males, but he is attracted by other females. Similar is the case with wife. Shri Rajaneesh attacked this issue in this way and such approach is only partial. What about the case in which one is attracted to the side while the other remains chaste? You cannot generalise the case of some people to all. Here is a person, who is very loyal to his wife and she is attracted by somebody else. Shri Rajneesh liberalized the concept by finding fault with the other side also.

In general, he may be correct. But, what about a specific case? Ofcourse, this case may be otherwise, because tomorrow I may get a problem from a chaste wife complaining about her husband for his side attraction. Therefore, one should not misunderstand Me siding only chaste wives or only chaste husbands. The issue is if one side is chaste and the other side is not chaste, what should be the solution? The solution for this is again multi-dimensional and multi-stepped.

First of all, I should question whether the marriage took place by the full consent of both boy and girl. Sometimes the consent is given by boy or girl as a ‘no objection certificate’. But that is not sufficient for a marriage. It should have a positive certificate of intensive attraction towards each other. The attraction becomes permanent and real if it is based on the total personality. Mere physical appearance is only one factor. If the physical appearance alone is the basis, the love should reduce as the old age comes or if the appearance is spoiled by some illness or accident in life. Buddha was attracted to Amrapali in her old age to serve her.

   The husband or wife gets attracted by a better ‘total personality’ of opposite sex, whenever met in life. Mental attraction is hidden by several people by controlling their words. Words and actions of body are inert and do not participate in the sin. When this body, which spoke or did some wrong activity is left over here, the soul is taken to hell in some other energetic body and is punished. If the body is a participant of the sin, it should be directly taken to hell and should be punished. Therefore, in the hell, the mind is punished through another new body. Therefore, the sin is in the mind and not in the body.

Once the mental attraction is there, the sin is recorded. The words and actions of body are works of inert energy and have no sin. When Sita was carried by Ravana, the body of Sita was fully touched by Ravana by force as per Valmiki Ramayana. This was referred by Sita, herself, (yadyaham gatra samsparsam…). But such attraction was not in her mind and therefore she was declared pure by fire God (Agni). Renuka got mental attraction towards a king on the banks of Narmada river and she did not touch him even by finger. But she was declared as sinner and her head was cut by her son, Parasurama. Therefore, after marriage, to get attracted by another person is a sin and the soul is punished in the hell. If the other side is also not chaste, will the sin get mutually cancelled and so no punishment to any one? No. Both will be punished in the hell. Therefore, the philosophy of Shri Rajneesh in this point does not save the soul in any way.

   To get rid of such sin and the consequent hell, the control of mind cannot be the true path, which is impossible. Some control food, but it is not a permanent solution because such feelings (samskaras) are precipitated from several millions of births. You cannot control the mind through the body, when the mind (samskara) is controlling your body. Such precipitated samskara, called as prakruti or nature acquired from millions of births decides the course of action finally as said in the Gita (prakrutistvaam niyokshyati…). The only permanent and real solution for this is to realize the real aim of the human life and turn to God. The attraction towards God is like a mega-tsunami in which the side attraction towards another personality disappears like a flood of river.

 No other side attraction can exist, when the divine personality of God appears. This attraction is totally different since it is the bond between God and soul and not a bond between souls. There is no aspect of male or female here. Rama went for golden deer, even though Lakshmana tried to stop him. Here it appears as if Rama is more attracted by the female devotee compared to a male devotee. No. It is the climax of His love on the soul of Sita only and not on her body. The same Rama said to stop the war and was prepared to leave the life when Lakshmana became unconscious in the war. Here Rama neglected Sita before Lakshmana. This context shows the love of the Lord on the soul of Lakshmana, irrespective of the external body. In such tsunami of love on Lord, both justice and injustice disappear. If one realises this divine knowledge he attains the Lord and crosses both good and bad (Buddhiyogam tam yenamaaam, Buddhyaa yukto, Buddhiyukto jahatiha ubhe …the Gita). Both the hell and heaven are thrown out when you approach the divine Lord as said in the Veda (Punyapaape vidhuya…).
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God preaches truth even if others dislike it.....


The famous Kama Sutra states that homosexual sex "is to be engaged in and enjoyed for its own sake as one of the arts."

Swami,  would this apply to the incarnations of the divinity on earth?  What about Swamis and all religious teachers?    Would it be a sign that they are *not* from God and not preaching the truth if they did not engage in homosexual sex?

I understand that you are seen as a divine incarnation.  Do you uphold this teaching?
Kama sutra is not a source of divine knowledge. Present Human incarnation is the source of divine knoweldge. You have to refer to present human incarnation for any spiritual doubts. To clear the doubts of people like you, God has come in human form. Otherwise if ordinary people answer you they will confuse you. God alone can clear all your spiritual doubts and is answering you right now as below:


Marriage is for the reproduction or generation of issues. It is a divine mission. Homosexuality is against the divine mission. It shows only worldly blind attachment. At least marriage with the opposite sex leads to generation of issues and when the issues are borned, you are paving the way for giving the gross body for the souls coming from the upper world to the earth. You are participating in the divine mission and so the marriage is a part of divine mission and sometimes, who knows, you may give birth to Adi Shankara or to Meera. In that case, as father and mother of Shankara or as father and mother of Meera or as father and mother of Swami Vivekananda, you are blessed. Is it not? Therefore, the marriage is a divine mission.

 It is not wrong to avoid the marriage provided it is natural, not by force. Avoiding marriage is liberation. When one is attached to God intensively, the worldly bonds are dropped naturally. For example take Adi Shankara, He was attached to God and His mind did not go for any worldly bonds. He did not marry. Similarly, Jesus, Swami Vivekananda etc. Why did they not marry? First, they are attached to God and they are liberated from the worldly bonds and therefore, these worldly bonds are not attractive to them. Therefore, it all depends on your interest on God. That is why learning about God must be done in the childhood itself, Brahmacharya Ashrama. Charya means knowledge.

 Marriage is not done in the childhood. By the end of the childhood or brahmacharya, you have learned sufficiently about God. Knowledge is completed. You must have got devotion completely on God. In that case, automatically the liberation is a spontaneous process. You are not willing to marry; that is very good. But, after finishing Brahma Charya also if you have desire to marry that means even after learning about God, the real interest is not created on God. Better marry in that case. Now, after marrying, in course of time again continue your effort. The Brhmacharya should be continued i. e., learning about God. Wife also can take part in that. Then slowly by Vanprastha ashrama, the third ashrama, you may develop interest on God. She may also develop interest on God and then both of you are like co-spiritual aspirants in association in spiritual effort and finally lead to sanyasa for the complete absorption on God. It is again reaching the goal late.

Any way, one should not leave the marriage by force. If one is not interested in marriage due to his interest in God then it is not wrong. If there is no interest on God then he should marry. Some people are not interested in God and they are also not interested in marriage. They do not want to take responsibility. They want to enjoy. This is not correct. Reason must be interest on God. Due to interest on God, both Shankara and Jesus did not marry and that is correct.
While selecting the wife, our elders very much concentrated on the background of the girl. If the background of the girl is good and they are also spiritual aspirants, then the girl also will get that culture and she will be congenial to you in your spiritual effort also.

That is why in marriage, in olden days, the background was seen very much in our elder generation. But today marriage is simply performed just based on physical body attraction or based on financial consideration. This approach is not correct. In marriage, your primary aim should be to select a partner for your spiritual achievement, she must atleast have some interest in God so that both of you can go together in spiritual path. The marriage is not wrong provided the partner is good and also helpful in progressing in the spiritual path. In the spiritual path also, the satsanga should be done and you need a companion for it. You need somebody to discuss about God and if it is your wife, how lucky it will be.
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« Reply #502 on: November 12, 2010, 07:09:41 AM »


God preaches truth even if others dislike it.....


The famous Kama Sutra states that homosexual sex "is to be engaged in and enjoyed for its own sake as one of the arts."

Swami,  would this apply to the incarnations of the divinity on earth?  What about Swamis and all religious teachers?    Would it be a sign that they are *not* from God and not preaching the truth if they did not engage in homosexual sex?

I understand that you are seen as a divine incarnation.  Do you uphold this teaching?

You are surrounded by lot of human preachers (either hindu/christian/islam etc) who cannot preach truth. They preach confusion. They can never preach truth since they are not God. God alone can preach truth, hence to do this serious job, He Himself comes down in human form.

When HE comes to this world, the ordinary human preachers run under cover. They cannot sustain Him. They object His preaching. But God is not bothered about the objection of His own foolish Children!. God preaches to all impartially for thier own benefit and God do not aspire anything in return.
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« Reply #503 on: November 12, 2010, 07:25:14 AM »

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Swami,  would this apply to the incarnations of the divinity on earth?  What about Swamis and all religious teachers?    Would it be a sign that they are *not* from God and not preaching the truth if they did not engage in homosexual sex?

I understand that you are seen as a divine incarnation.  Do you uphold this teaching?
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The Lord has guts to say the truth even if it is not liked by anybody

The knowledge should be in the view of the permanent welfare of the soul and not in the temporary sweet-coated poison. The Lord in human form differs in this point. The Lord has guts to say the truth even if it is not liked by anybody (Satyam Jnanam –Veda). But the human preachers aspire for money and fame and therefore they twist the knowledge to suit to the liking of the soul and get their personal benefits.

 The Lord does not need such benefits. Even the messenger from the Lord will do his duty perfectly. He will deliver the knowledge given by God as it is. Suppose you are paid the total salary of your entire life in the beginning itself and the shop owner asks you to sell an item. Suppose nobody is coming or only very few are coming. The employee should not bother about the business. If the employee is receiving monthly salary, he may fear that if the business is not taking place, his salary may be affected.

God gave the true knowledge to Jesus and asked Him to propagate and He assured the reward for it to give place to Jesus for sitting on His right side. Now, Jesus has guts to deliver the knowledge as it is because the salary was already assured. He need not worry about the business. Therefore Jesus told that unless one leaves the parents, wife and children and even the life, the soul cannot become His dearest disciple. He told that He came with the sword to destroy peace in the family. He told that He will split the family. He told that by His knowledge, the youngsters will rebel against the elders. Even on the cross, He did not change the version of the Bible.

An ordinary human being cannot tell such pungent truth. Lord Krishna asked Arjuna to kill his grandfather and all his relatives and for this purpose only the entire Gita was preached. The Lord shows the ultimate truth to be fixed as the goal so that one can achieve at least pass marks. If the pass marks are the goal, the student fails. When the knowledge of Jesus and Krishna are kept as goal, at least the blind attraction on the family and relatives decreases to some extent. Since the Lord does not require any benefit from you, He will not mind to reveal the ultimate truth.

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Do not mock any body....

Never criticize any one in the world.  If you do not like to praise somebody, keep silent.  If you scold somebody and suppose God is hidden in that person, it will lead to immediate punishment.  Worship of God and insulting God will have immediate results in this world because both are powerful (Atyutkataih Papapunyaih……).  The help and insult to the colleague souls will have results in the upper world in heaven and hell.  But the service and insult to God in human form and devotees will have immediate results here itself.
 Generally it is very difficult to identify God in human form who will try to hide Himself by looking like an ordinary person or some times looking like even a negative person.  God in human form acts according to the role taken on the stage of the world.  The role is according to the divine program drawn by God Himself.  The role generally does not contain the supernatural behavior, which will create problems of free mixing of God with the souls.  The role consists of mainly normal behavior and sometimes subnormal behavior to test the devotees or to drive away the undeserving devotees who will try to exploit God.  In such case there is every possibility of misunderstanding God as a normal human being or some times as a bad human being.

If you neglect God assuming Him as a normal human being, there is nothing wrong in it and you will not be in loss even though you may not have the benefit. But if you insult Him assuming a bad fellow, that is the greatest sin and will have immediate negative effect.  Since, we cannot trace out God easily, it is better not to criticize even a bad fellow.  Leave him to his fate.  Who are you to criticize anybody?  You have lot of bad points shown by your bulky thumb, when you point out others with your lean finger.  The constitution of God running the divine cycle of deeds will take care of everything in the world.  Why do you unnecessarily take the risk of insulting the hidden God? 




Because God is the Holy Trinity, not you. I am 100% sure of that fact, I don't suppose God is incarnate within you, so I know that you are not God. If my little Photoshop job offends God, it's not because you're Him.

I am not criticizing you as a human being, I am criticizing your outrageous claim to be God by taking it only a little bit past its logical conclusion. "Illustrating absurdity by being absurd," as some people say.

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« Reply #505 on: November 12, 2010, 11:40:48 AM »

 laugh laugh laugh

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« Reply #506 on: November 12, 2010, 12:49:56 PM »

dattaswami, if you're really God, why do you not know how to speak and write English properly?  
God comes in human form for preaching divine knowledge. For other worldly knowledge like science, mathematics etc already lot of experts are available in this world itself. GOd need not come to the world for preaching mathematics etc. Jesus never preached mathematics etc....

God has a serious job to do, to preach the divine knowledge and to uplift the human souls. It is a very tough task which GOd alone can do, no body else can do this demanding job, since God alone posses the truth and He is the correct place of divine knowledge and He alone knows about Himself and there is a necessity that He has to be here on earth for preaching divine knowledge to people.

Already there are lot of false human preachers established in this world without any effort who preaches that salvation is free gift etc. Among such false preaches the true God decends in Human form. When the true God comes with the fire (the true knowledge) these petty human preachers run under cover. They will not be able stand infront of true divine knowledge. God alone can preach true divine knowledge.

Human preachers who are ordinary human beings; preach non-sense and increase your attachment to world rather than God.

God alone can preach the truth because He alone has the guts to do that, because He is unselfish and not for any followers, He is not going to loose or gain anything; hence He preaches the truth. He is not bothered about His followings or number of disciples. But human preachers are not like that, they need big crowds, clapping, fame name etc.

God preaches truth even if others dislike it.....
Instead of getting all wound up in the smoke and mirrors of your above statements, what you're telling me is that you don't know how to speak English properly.  There's no shame in that.  But, don't claim you are the incarnate God.  God is omniscient.  The only god you're channeling is Satan, himself.     

"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." ~John 8:44
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« Reply #507 on: November 12, 2010, 01:13:53 PM »

dattaspammi, the problem with your posts is that, while you begin to answer a question, you then go off on a tangent and wind up flooding us out in a tsunami of words.

Sorta like my Grandpa, for whom a simple request to pass the salt can result in a three-hour trip down Memory Lane.

But of course, Grandpa's got a good excuse:  he's 99 years old.

What's your excuse?  (Being God doesn't count. Cheesy )
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« Reply #508 on: November 12, 2010, 03:18:34 PM »

He's got way bigger problems than just going off on tangents.
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« Reply #509 on: November 12, 2010, 03:25:05 PM »

Is that Mini-Me as the Scientology character?

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« Reply #510 on: November 12, 2010, 03:35:20 PM »

What's your excuse?  (Being God doesn't count. Cheesy )
Well, no, being God would count, but you'll have to show your work to get full credit.
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« Reply #511 on: November 12, 2010, 04:48:33 PM »

What's your excuse?  (Being God doesn't count. Cheesy )
Well, no, being God would count, but you'll have to show your work to get full credit.

No partial credit, either Wink

BTW, I can't stop laughing at that Yoda picture... Cheesy
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« Reply #512 on: November 13, 2010, 09:33:49 AM »

Where is that middle picture from?? Cool
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Instead of getting all wound up in the smoke and mirrors of your above statements, what you're telling me is that you don't know how to speak English properly.  There's no shame in that.  But, don't claim you are the incarnate God.  God is omniscient.  The only god you're channeling is Satan, himself.     

"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." ~John 8:44

Your same argument is there in St John Gospel, where in Jews critisise Jesus as Satan possessed! The same story repeats now also....
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« Reply #514 on: November 13, 2010, 11:01:50 AM »

dattaspammi, the problem with your posts is that, while you begin to answer a question, you then go off on a tangent and wind up flooding us out in a tsunami of words.

Sorta like my Grandpa, for whom a simple request to pass the salt can result in a three-hour trip down Memory Lane.

But of course, Grandpa's got a good excuse:  he's 99 years old.

What's your excuse?  (Being God doesn't count. Cheesy )

Your argument is very interesting!

The Lord preached Gita only when Arjuna fell on His feet and craved for the divine knowledge. The Lord said that trying to give the divine knowledge to the people who are not interested due to their ignorance, egoism, jealousy and greed is like throwing a stone on the pond of mud (Krutstnavit Na Vichalayet). But Sankara went to the house of Mandana Misra and begged for a debate. Then Manadana Misra abused Sankara and refused the debate. But Vyasa and Jaimini who were present there objected to such attitude.

Then only Mandana Misra entered into a debate and the debate continued for twenty-one days. At the end Mandana Misra realized the truth and became the disciple of Sankara. Here Mandana Misra was benefitted and not Sankara. Therefore you must try to uplift all the souls in this world. Even if the mud falls on you, you must have patience. Sankara did not return back even if Mandana Misra abused Him in a pungent way. The father tries to correct his son even if his son scolds him. Such kind attitude is the divine nature. Krishna tried for kauravas and Hanuman tried for Ravana even if they were insulted. Ofcourse you should leave a rigid person, which should be your last resort because such person is destined to his fate.
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« Reply #515 on: November 13, 2010, 11:04:05 AM »



Because God is the Holy Trinity, not you. I am 100% sure of that fact, I don't suppose God is incarnate within you, so I know that you are not God. If my little Photoshop job offends God, it's not because you're Him.

I am not criticizing you as a human being, I am criticizing your outrageous claim to be God by taking it only a little bit past its logical conclusion. "Illustrating absurdity by being absurd," as some people say.



God is not bothered about His foolish children mocking Him! For God it is a time pass here. He comes for a change to get abuses also. He is already fed up with lot of fame and name in the upper world. For a change He comes down here, and He get entertained in both misery and happiness here.

I will given an example:

Krishna( a previous human incarnation) followed this (continuously enjoying life containing both positive and negative things) in His life and His preaching, the Gita, was perfectly implemented in His practice. He was enjoying His own death while the foot was bleeding, hit by the hunter. He consoled the hunter and removed his tension over the incident. He enjoyed the genocide of His family members as a spectator in the end.

 He enjoyed the defeat in the hands of the enemies like Jarasandha, who flew away to construct a new city in the island present in the ocean. He enjoyed while Shishupala was repeatedly scolding Him and was never subjected to any tension. He enjoyed while He was called as the thief of butter in other houses. Except entertainment and enjoyment, even a trace of tension could not touch Him in His entire life.

You may say that God is enjoying the world-cinema since He is away from it. You may differentiate from God by this, stating that you are participating in the cinema. This cannot be accepted since God also entered the world-cinema as Krishna and participated in it like you. The only difference is that He is acting in the role, where as you are living in the role by completely identifying yourself with it. Such divine knowledge applies to you also and Shankara preached this.
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« Reply #516 on: November 13, 2010, 11:06:46 AM »

dattaspammi, the problem with your posts is that, while you begin to answer a question, you then go off on a tangent and wind up flooding us out in a tsunami of words.

Sorta like my Grandpa, for whom a simple request to pass the salt can result in a three-hour trip down Memory Lane.

But of course, Grandpa's got a good excuse:  he's 99 years old.

What's your excuse?  (Being God doesn't count. Cheesy )

God when comes in human form, try to preach to all impartially, certain people takes interest in HIs divine knowledge and other mock and insult Him. God preaches to all so that He is not blamed in the upper world for not preaching them....

When I enter the human body in becoming the human incarnation, the human beings who are egoistic and jealous do not recognize Me, the Lord of this world. They treat Me as a human being and repel against Me due to their inherent repulsion towards any greatness seen in their co-human beings. Instead of accepting Me as the greatest, they hate and even insult Me.
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Because God is the Holy Trinity, not you. I am 100% sure of that fact, I don't suppose God is incarnate within you, so I know that you are not God. If my little Photoshop job offends God, it's not because you're Him.



When I said that God is in my human body, who is delivering the spiritual knowledge, my reference is my devotees who strongly believe me in spite of my several objections. My statements vary according to the level of the devotees. Some times I say that I am devotee or a messenger to ordinary people. I say that God is in me to the devotees who have partial faith in me.

 I say that the God pervaded all over my body and became one with me to strong devotees who have reached the climax of the faith. Jesus also told like this to different levels of devotees. He claimed himself as messenger of God to lower devotees. To the middle level He claimed that He is son of the God. To the top devotees He claimed that He and His father are one and the same.

You should not transfer one statement from one level to the other level. In my case, for your information, I say every one that I am just a devotee of God. But the devotees forced me with their opinions and finally I responded according to their firmness of faith. Even there I tried my level best to distort their faith through several tests. Therefore, you cannot generalise my statements to all the humanity.

In fact you cannot generalise the statements of Jesus also to the entire humanity because all the human beings have not believed Jesus. Only some believed and His statements relate to such fraction of devotees only.
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I say that the God pervaded all over my body and became one with me to strong devotees who have reached the climax of the faith. Jesus also told like this to different levels of devotees. He claimed himself as messenger of God to lower devotees. To the middle level He claimed that He is son of the God. To the top devotees He claimed that He and His father are one and the same.

You should not transfer one statement from one level to the other level.

What Bible are you reading?

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« Reply #519 on: November 13, 2010, 11:36:51 AM »

See, you proved my point by answering my previous post twice, and neither response having anything to do with the post itself.  Roll Eyes

Even Grandpa at least starts out by addressing my point.  "You like onions, eh? You shoulda seen the onions we grew back on the old farm.  Twelve feet high they were, and red as Scarlett O'Hara's dress in that movie.  You remember that movie, doncha? That Civil War flick?  Can't quite remember the name, hmm, guess it's gone with the ... with the ... oh, with whatever it is that blows things around, and speaking of that, remember that tornado we had back in ought-six?  That was a doozy!  And speaking of doozies ... "

Like that.  Cool
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See, you proved my point by answering my previous post twice, and neither response having anything to do with the post itself.  Roll Eyes

Even Grandpa at least starts out by addressing my point.  "You like onions, eh? You shoulda seen the onions we grew back on the old farm.  Twelve feet high they were, and red as Scarlett O'Hara's dress in that movie.  You remember that movie, doncha? That Civil War flick?  Can't quite remember the name, hmm, guess it's gone with the ... with the ... oh, with whatever it is that blows things around, and speaking of that, remember that tornado we had back in ought-six?  That was a doozy!  And speaking of doozies ... "

Like that.  Cool

You know, Jesus told in parables the divine knowledge to ordianry people, so that only interest people stayed back and asked Him the inner meaning of the parables. Ordinary people cannot understand divine knoweldge due to their undeservigness (mainly due to very low love on God).
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I say that the God pervaded all over my body and became one with me to strong devotees who have reached the climax of the faith. Jesus also told like this to different levels of devotees. He claimed himself as messenger of God to lower devotees. To the middle level He claimed that He is son of the God. To the top devotees He claimed that He and His father are one and the same.

You should not transfer one statement from one level to the other level.

What Bible are you reading?

 Huh

There is one God and He comes in every generation. The same Jesus has come now also. He alone can tell you what He preached when He came 2000 yrs ago.....

To a deserving devotee, Jesus told He and His father are one and the same. When Jesus saw a devotee who was slightly affected by jealousy and egoism, Jesus came down by one step saying that He was the son of the God.

 The word son is indicating that He is different from the God but the same spirit is present in both like the same blood in the father and the son. This means that He is different and smaller than the God but at the same time has the same essence. It is like the relationship between the mighty ocean and the tiny water drop. The father is major and the son is minor component. They resemble qualitatively but differ quantitatively. This is the visishta advaita of Ramanuja.

 When Jesus met a devotee who is fully bacterialised by jealousy and egoism He told that He was the humble messenger of God. This is the Dvaita of Madhva. Therefore the human incarnation will declare its level based on the level of the receiver. Mohammad told that He is the messenger of the Lord. Thus there is a gradual degradation of spiritual obedience and the gradual growth of jealousy and egoism. Jesus stands as a transition bridge between the Advaita of Krishna and Dvaita of Mohammad.
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« Reply #522 on: November 13, 2010, 12:10:04 PM »

See, you proved my point by answering my previous post twice, and neither response having anything to do with the post itself.  Roll Eyes

Even Grandpa at least starts out by addressing my point.  "You like onions, eh? You shoulda seen the onions we grew back on the old farm.  Twelve feet high they were, and red as Scarlett O'Hara's dress in that movie.  You remember that movie, doncha? That Civil War flick?  Can't quite remember the name, hmm, guess it's gone with the ... with the ... oh, with whatever it is that blows things around, and speaking of that, remember that tornado we had back in ought-six?  That was a doozy!  And speaking of doozies ... "

Like that.  Cool

To a ordinary human preacher many will easily approach since he preaches lot of sweet words and people will get attracted to it spontaneously. God in human form preaches the truth hence very few followers.

Ordinary preachers cannot preach truth, because no body will follow them if they preach truth. Ordinary preachers are for fame and name and if they preach truth who will come to them?
Hence at lower level there are lot of ordinary preachers spontanesouly generated without effort and there are millions of followers of them.

But blind leads blinds to ditch only at the last.....
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« Reply #523 on: November 13, 2010, 12:10:59 PM »



Thank you so much for this. It's better than I could have imagined.  Cheesy
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Thank you so much for this. It's better than I could have imagined.  Cheesy

God in human form enjoy insult also....

Jesus did several miracles and even gave life to a dead person. But He couldn’t save Himself from crucifixion in the end.  The soldiers stated this point and mocked at Jesus.  Krishna even as boy, killed several demons who came in disguise to kill Him. Same Krishna, grown up well, couldn’t prevent a hunter who killed Him by mistake.  Krishna laughed at sage Udanka, who was ready to curse Krishna and gave cosmic vision to him.  Same Krishna didn’t control Gandhari, a common lady, giving curse to Him. Jesus and Krishna were certainly God in human forms.

 When that is the fact, why both did not show the power of God to control the situation against to them?  There must be a message in such action, apart from God’s wish to enjoy the role of an insulted person. God is bored with continuous success and happiness and some times likes to enjoy defeat and insult also.  Apart from this self-entertainment from a negative role, there is a message for the devotees also because the action of God is always multidimensional.

 Another aspect in suffering with insult is to enjoy the sins of His devotees personally and get them relieved from sins.  Another dimension is the message given to devotees regarding the defeat occurring due to their defects. 
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« Reply #525 on: November 13, 2010, 12:51:59 PM »

God in human form enjoy insult also....

Jesus did several miracles and even gave life to a dead person. But He couldn’t save Himself from crucifixion in the end.  The soldiers stated this point and mocked at Jesus.  Krishna even as boy, killed several demons who came in disguise to kill Him. Same Krishna, grown up well, couldn’t prevent a hunter who killed Him by mistake.  Krishna laughed at sage Udanka, who was ready to curse Krishna and gave cosmic vision to him.  Same Krishna didn’t control Gandhari, a common lady, giving curse to Him. Jesus and Krishna were certainly God in human forms.

 When that is the fact, why both did not show the power of God to control the situation against to them?  There must be a message in such action, apart from God’s wish to enjoy the role of an insulted person. God is bored with continuous success and happiness and some times likes to enjoy defeat and insult also.  Apart from this self-entertainment from a negative role, there is a message for the devotees also because the action of God is always multidimensional.

 Another aspect in suffering with insult is to enjoy the sins of His devotees personally and get them relieved from sins.  Another dimension is the message given to devotees regarding the defeat occurring due to their defects. 



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« Reply #526 on: November 13, 2010, 01:35:01 PM »


God in human form enjoy insult also....


This was definitely the Jedi Yoda speaking here... Cheesy
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« Reply #527 on: November 13, 2010, 04:56:04 PM »

 Roll Eyes I can see dattaswami, along with the Mini-Me Scientology character, driving a 1,000 mph supercar.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #529 on: November 13, 2010, 07:34:27 PM »


Instead of getting all wound up in the smoke and mirrors of your above statements, what you're telling me is that you don't know how to speak English properly.  There's no shame in that.  But, don't claim you are the incarnate God.  God is omniscient.  The only god you're channeling is Satan, himself.     

"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." ~John 8:44

Your same argument is there in St John Gospel, where in Jews critisise Jesus as Satan possessed! The same story repeats now also....
We both know Jesus Christ isn't Satan-possessed.  He is the Second Person of the Triune God.  You are not anywhere close to being God. 

I have come to the conclusion that you are either deranged, or a liar.  My money is on "liar".  And, I'll bet your money is on your success in trying to pull off this "Messiah" act.  Seek the help of a trained professional for either your grandiose delusion, or the pathological lying, or both.

In the meantime, I'll pray for your banning.  You are a stumbling block to those who sincerely seek the Truth. 
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« Reply #530 on: November 13, 2010, 07:36:43 PM »

God in human form enjoy insult also....

Jesus did several miracles and even gave life to a dead person. But He couldn’t save Himself from crucifixion in the end.  The soldiers stated this point and mocked at Jesus.  Krishna even as boy, killed several demons who came in disguise to kill Him. Same Krishna, grown up well, couldn’t prevent a hunter who killed Him by mistake.  Krishna laughed at sage Udanka, who was ready to curse Krishna and gave cosmic vision to him.  Same Krishna didn’t control Gandhari, a common lady, giving curse to Him. Jesus and Krishna were certainly God in human forms.

 When that is the fact, why both did not show the power of God to control the situation against to them?  There must be a message in such action, apart from God’s wish to enjoy the role of an insulted person. God is bored with continuous success and happiness and some times likes to enjoy defeat and insult also.  Apart from this self-entertainment from a negative role, there is a message for the devotees also because the action of God is always multidimensional.

 Another aspect in suffering with insult is to enjoy the sins of His devotees personally and get them relieved from sins.  Another dimension is the message given to devotees regarding the defeat occurring due to their defects. 



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« Reply #531 on: November 13, 2010, 07:46:04 PM »

Dattaswami's claim to be Jesus would have surprised someone else in India, many, many years ago-- St. Thomas, who first brought the Gospel there, and thank God, did a better job with it.   angel  I thank the Lord for His Apostles.   Smiley
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Dattaswami's claim to be Jesus would have surprised someone else in India, many, many years ago-- St. Thomas, who first brought the Gospel there, and thank God, did a better job with it.   angel  I thank the Lord for His Apostles.   Smiley
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"Colorless green ideas sleep furiously. I am a market of simmering bubble trees. Cats ceramically perforate the jumping knee. Remember your pistols; soon your face is a mushroom of joy."

Wonderful! This should be the post of the month. A perfect foil for the SPAM of a certain poster.

Ordinary people are interested in irrelvant things not divine knowledge. When Jesus came to this world, many many people approached Him, for what? They approached Him for their personal purpose of getting cure etc using His power. They were not bothered much about His divine knowledge, their concentration was not on Jesus but on His power.

Like wise today people get entertainment from irrelevant things that divine knowledge....!!!!
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« Reply #534 on: November 13, 2010, 11:18:55 PM »

We both know Jesus Christ isn't Satan-possessed.  He is the Second Person of the Triune God.  You are not anywhere close to being God. 

I have come to the conclusion that you are either deranged, or a liar.  My money is on "liar".  And, I'll bet your money is on your success in trying to pull off this "Messiah" act.  Seek the help of a trained professional for either your grandiose delusion, or the pathological lying, or both.

In the meantime, I'll pray for your banning.  You are a stumbling block to those who sincerely seek the Truth. 

Several time i told you that you are repeating the same verses of Jews, that they have spoken to Jesus. If you refer St. John Gosple all your acquisition are seen there against Jesus also by then Jews!!!!
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« Reply #535 on: November 13, 2010, 11:27:02 PM »

Dattaswami's claim to be Jesus would have surprised someone else in India, many, many years ago-- St. Thomas, who first brought the Gospel there, and thank God, did a better job with it.   angel  I thank the Lord for His Apostles.   Smiley

St. Thomas, was in the list of 'His people' who loved Jesus when God came in human form live in front of him. But present christians are far behind, they use Jesus based on business and no real love on Jesus. Their love is only theoretical and in addition they neglect and insult when He comes to them in human form now also.

Present christians only crucified Jesus when He came 2000 yrs ago. When Jesus got cricified and died on the cross, the same people who crucified Him is now jumping, clapping hand etc to glorify Jesus. They also preach that Jesus  comes only at the end of the world! Even if Jesus is not coming, they can prolong their preaching till the end of the world also!

Killers of  Jesus are praising Him now!. Then they abused Him, now they are praising Him.. What is the use?. Present praising is to get something from Him, is not real love....They rejected them outrightly when He came to them 2000 yrs ago. That time they proclaimed that they have Mosses and do not want a new prophet Jesus!. Just after His killing the same killers are started clapping hand for Jesus, because now Jesus is not here in human form and it is very easy to accept Him. They also tell that Jesus will not come again, but only at the end of the world!! So that they have idefinetly postponed the coming of Jesus to till the end of the world also, so that they need not see Him alive becuase these people will not be there to see the end of the world anyway! What a trickly generation is this!!!
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« Reply #536 on: November 14, 2010, 12:11:01 AM »

We both know Jesus Christ isn't Satan-possessed.  He is the Second Person of the Triune God.  You are not anywhere close to being God.  

I have come to the conclusion that you are either deranged, or a liar.  My money is on "liar".  And, I'll bet your money is on your success in trying to pull off this "Messiah" act.  Seek the help of a trained professional for either your grandiose delusion, or the pathological lying, or both.

In the meantime, I'll pray for your banning.  You are a stumbling block to those who sincerely seek the Truth.  


Several time i told you that you are repeating the same verses of Jews, that they have spoken to Jesus. If you refer St. John Gosple all your acquisition are seen there against Jesus also by then Jews!!!!

Here is the fundamental concept you're missing, dattaswami. Yes, it's true that every time a precocious kangaroo gets bricklayed, he will be circumnavigated by a dream. Nevertheless, the proboscis of the naval sniff prematurely refutes a Mongol sandwich. "Ah," you might say, "but you're forgetting that the dying mango philosophizes to the iron moon, and sweats his sisters out." Trust me, I've heard this one before. The underlying fallacy in this argument is the spurious premise that one can circumcise an algebraic chimney while retaining some putrid snores from the itchy eyes of time. Instead of gymnastically jousting with the germinated jigsaw, might I recommend a redoubtable ride through the rat riddled wrinkles of Rome?
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« Reply #537 on: November 14, 2010, 12:24:06 AM »

We both know Jesus Christ isn't Satan-possessed.  He is the Second Person of the Triune God.  You are not anywhere close to being God. 

I have come to the conclusion that you are either deranged, or a liar.  My money is on "liar".  And, I'll bet your money is on your success in trying to pull off this "Messiah" act.  Seek the help of a trained professional for either your grandiose delusion, or the pathological lying, or both.

In the meantime, I'll pray for your banning.  You are a stumbling block to those who sincerely seek the Truth. 

Several time i told you that you are repeating the same verses of Jews, that they have spoken to Jesus. If you refer St. John Gosple all your acquisition are seen there against Jesus also by then Jews!!!!
I think you mean 'accusation', don't you?  I know spelling is really a minor thing in the grand scheme of things, but if you really are God, couldn't you try to communicate a bit better?

Anyway, to get back to the subject at hand, I'm repeating what Jesus said to liars, "You are of your father, the devil".  You don't have to be God to understand that.

I have two questions for you:  In a hundred words or less, who was your guru, and who bestowed the title of "His Holiness" on you?     
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« Reply #538 on: November 14, 2010, 01:06:43 AM »

We both know Jesus Christ isn't Satan-possessed.  He is the Second Person of the Triune God.  You are not anywhere close to being God.  

I have come to the conclusion that you are either deranged, or a liar.  My money is on "liar".  And, I'll bet your money is on your success in trying to pull off this "Messiah" act.  Seek the help of a trained professional for either your grandiose delusion, or the pathological lying, or both.

In the meantime, I'll pray for your banning.  You are a stumbling block to those who sincerely seek the Truth.  


Several time i told you that you are repeating the same verses of Jews, that they have spoken to Jesus. If you refer St. John Gosple all your acquisition are seen there against Jesus also by then Jews!!!!

Here is the fundamental concept you're missing, dattaswami. Yes, it's true that every time a precocious kangaroo gets bricklayed, he will be circumnavigated by a dream. Nevertheless, the proboscis of the naval sniff prematurely refutes a Mongol sandwich. "Ah," you might say, "but you're forgetting that the dying mango philosophizes to the iron moon, and sweats his sisters out." Trust me, I've heard this one before. The underlying fallacy in this argument is the spurious premise that one can circumcise an algebraic chimney while retaining some putrid snores from the itchy eyes of time. Instead of gymnastically jousting with the germinated jigsaw, might I recommend a redoubtable ride through the rat riddled wrinkles of Rome?

But do the snozberries taste like snozberries? I think that's what we all really want to know.
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