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« Reply #45 on: October 27, 2010, 01:40:02 AM »

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Killing is the highest sin, which gives highest pain to the living being. In the next birth, the killed living being will be born as human being, you will be born as the living being and you will be killed similarly by the human being so that your soul will realize the pain and get reformed.
How can a being created body and soul, transmigrate? Furthermore, how can an animal become something created in the likeness and image of God? These ideas are found neither in Scripture nor patristics and have no place in Holy Orthodoxy. This is sheer paganism and despite what Vivekananda may say on the matter, it will never be compatible with Orthodox thought.
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« Reply #46 on: October 27, 2010, 03:58:58 AM »

Narrow Spiritual Path

MATTHEW 7 : 13 AND 14

“Enter by the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction and there are many who go in by it”.

Bhagavathgita says “Manushyaanam Sahasreshu…..” which means that millions of people will try to reach God but only one can reach God. This means that the spiritual path is narrow with one or two devotees only who can reach God. So you should not follow the majority as example in spiritual path. Majority goes to Hell. Will you also go to hell? Diamonds are in minority and gravel stones are in majority. In worldly matters you can follow the majority. But in spiritual line there is only one Jesus one Buddha one Sankara etc., If you are in the association of majority you will be polluted by them since they induce the worldly poison through their conversations (Luke 13: 20 & 21). If you are in the association of the Satguru you will be spiritually strengthened by His gospel.
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« Reply #47 on: October 27, 2010, 03:59:46 AM »

Types of people dealt by God

There are five types of people in this world dealt by God. The first type people have real love towards God and sacrifice practically to God. The Lord rewards them with infinite and real fruit. The second type of people sacrifice practically but want to achieve ten times more. Such people are businessmen. They invest little and aspire for more profit. The Lord returns back whatever such people sacrificed. The Lord also gives the extra expected by them but that extra is from their account only.

The good result of a good deed to be enjoyed in the future birth is drawn back with reduced value and is given as the extra, which was aspired by the people. All this process takes place without the knowledge of the people. The third type of the people sacrifice words by prayers and feelings throw devotion without any practical sacrifice. Such people are in the path of a prostitute who also sacrifices sweet words and sweet feelings to extract something practically from a person. The Lord fulfills their aspiration by drawing the good result of their good deal from their future birth. The fourth type of people are atheists.

They enjoying the world created by the Lord and abuse the Lord. The Lord will keep silent towards them in this world. The Lord uses the atheists to test His devotees. He will observe whether such atheists can affect His devotee. Later on the atheist will be severely punished by the Lord. The fifth type of people neither recognizes nor abuses the Lord. They simply enjoy the world without bothering about the Lord. The Lord will throw such people into the births of animals, birds, worms etc. In such births one can enjoy the world without worrying about the Lord.
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« Reply #48 on: October 27, 2010, 04:01:07 AM »

The Only Love – Gita-Bible Comparision
Luke—14:26 to 27

“If any one comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple’’.

The knowledge is compared to a sword. Bhagavatgita says “Chhitva Jnanasinatmanah”. This means that the ignorance should be cut by the knowledge, which is like a sword. The bonds with wife or husband and children are due to ignorance. Such bonds should break when the Lord in human form competes with them to conduct His test. Lord comes in human form in every human generation to preach and give His direct presence. If the Lord comes in only one human generation, God becomes partial to that human generation because other human generations are not blessed with such opportunity. To see, to touch, to talk and to live with the human incarnation, He comes down as per the prayers of the devotees. The Lord comes to preach and so He will not enter the statues or animals or birds. Veda says “Na tasya pratima asti’’ which means that God will not enter the inert statues.

Gita says “Manusheem tanu masritam” which means that God enters the human body only because the main purpose is to preach the human beings. Gita strongly says that he who worships the inert statues will be born as an inert stone (“Bhootani yanti”). The Christians should be commended on this point who are worshipping the Holy Jesus only, who is the most powerful human incarnation of God. Veda says “Na tat samah” which means that nobody and nothing should be equal to the Lord in human incarnation. One should leave everything and everybody for the sake of the Lord in human form. Only the bond with a new human being can break the bond with the human beings. Such new human being must be very powerful who can be only God in human form.

A new bond existing with formless God or statues cannot break the human bonds. Only the bond with another living being can cut the bond with the living beings. The bond with formless God is impossible. The bond with inert statue has no use. The above statements of Holy Jesus indicate that one should cut the bonds with his family and with the wealth. In Hindu religion also it is said that God (Datta) cuts all the bonds of family and wealth (“Dattam Chinnam”). Even the bond with the body should be cut for the sake of the God. Gita says the same thing as “Mat Gata Pranah”. Holy Jesus says that one has to carry his own cross (death) for the sake of the Lord. This means that one has to invite his own death with his own hands for the sake of God. Holy Jesus did like this as an ideal example for others. This means that you have to cut your bonds not only with your family and wealth but also with your life if necessary.

Hanuman, a top devotee, tore his heart with his own nails for the sake of the Lord and was blessed by the Lord to be immortal. So when the devotee sacrifices his life, his life gets protected forever. The essence of this gospel is that the love is proved only by the practical sacrifice. Veda says “Dhanena Tyage nyke…” which means that sacrifice of money proves the real love.

Money is the fruit of the work. So money is another form of work. If it is inconvenient to sacrifice the money, atleast they should sacrifice the other form of money, which is work for the sake of God. Depending on the money all the family members are attached to you. If money is not there all the family will leave you. You are also giving the money to your family only. Therefore if the bond with money is cut and if the money is sacrificed to God, the family bonds are considered as vanished, even though the family exists externally. The work of God in human form is the propagation of His divine gospel. For doing such divine work the family also stands as an obstacle because most of your energy is diverted for the family only. Therefore you do not have any energy to work for the sake of Lord.

Hence Holy Jesus wants His disciples to leave their families for the sake of God. The propagation work needs both money and work. Generally every body works to maintain his family. In the name of maintenance, several luxuries are introduced, which look like essential needs and thus there is no end for your work to earn the money for the sake of your body and your family. Your blindness increases and you will be putting more and more efforts to work and earn money for the sake of the family bonds. In such a case you can never even see the human form of God. At least you should remove your blindness by the divine knowledge if not the actual bonds. People of very high devotion only can cut the actual bonds. You are giving money to your family but you are giving words to God by prayers and you are giving mind to God through meditation.

You are giving love to your family through your work and money, you are calling the sacrifice of words and sacrifice of mind as love to God and you are fooling the God. Your real love is only with your family and not with the God. Holy Jesus tests your real love to God by these statements. The Christian Pope and fathers and the Hindu Acharya and saints left their families and concentrated completely on the work of God. Such pious souls can only be representatives of God in this world.
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« Reply #49 on: October 27, 2010, 04:03:26 AM »

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Jesus also told the same in bible, if you work for the kingdom of GOd then you need not pray all your needs will be taken care of . Look at the birds , tree etc they are not doing anything still GOD meets their needs. Like wise if one is selfless and work for GOD AND LOVE HIM WITHOIUT EXPECTING ANYTHING IN RETURN, then all your needs will be taken care of in a most wonderful manner, in such state you need not even ask GOd, before asking everything will be fulfilled.


Jesus didn't tell us to pray?

Wrong again.


Luke 11

 1 Now it came to pass, as He was praying in a certain place, when He ceased, that one of His disciples said to Him, “Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.”
2 So He said to them, “When you pray, say:

      Our Father in heaven,
      Hallowed be Your name.
      Your kingdom come.
      Your will be done
      On earth as it is in heaven.
       3 Give us day by day our daily bread.
       4 And forgive us our sins,
      For we also forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
      And do not lead us into temptation,
      But deliver us from the evil one.”


Don't put words in Jesus' mouth, or take words out of them.

Do not ask any thing from God which is either related to present or future.  When you ask some thing in present or some thing in the future, it clearly means that you are reminding Him about the corresponding reaction that is to be immediately implemented in the need.  This indirectly means that God is not alert as you are.  This is insulting God.  Due to such sin the requirement is not answered.  If you are asking to protect yourself or somebody else, it indirectly means that He is not aware of the things to be done due to the irresponsibility and this also indicates that He is not as kind as yourself.

 It means that God has potency to help but not kind enough to render the help.  On contrary, it also means that you lack unfortunately the potency.  It means if you fortunately have the potency you could have immediately responded and helped.  Therefore, when ever you ask for anything it clearly means indirectly that God has some type of defect, which does not exist in your case.  When you ask Him to fulfill the desire it looks as if that your desire is constitutionally justified.  But God is not positively reacting due to either lack of positive response immediately or due to lack of knowledge of the constitution or due to lack of kindness to help the needy.  All these points are very very subtle.  But God is the most subtle and therefore, the knowledge of this analysis will certainly restrict you from asking any fulfillment of your desire. 

Never bring present and future before God.  Confine to the past always before God.  Look back at your past life.  Hundreds of incidents are there where you were helped by God.  Even if you dispose some incidents through the incidental probability of success or through the efficiency of your efforts, certainly there are plenty of instances in which the help from God is clearly evident.  At least remember those few incidents and express your gratefulness along praise to God for His kind help that was already done.  The word Krutajnata means remembering the past help.  Kruta means the past help done.  Jna means identifying it by analysis.  If you confine to praying the Lord and thanking Him always about the past helps from Him, the Lord will be immensely pleased.  Then the present and future are spontaneously taken care of by the God.  But do not adopt this technique with a mind that you will be helped by God in the present and in the future by following this procedure! 

You should really follow this path and you should really forget the present and the future.   When large number of people came to hear the message from Jesus, they were hungry by the noon.  This point was brought to the notice of Jesus.  He never asked God to provide food for those hungry people who came to hear God’s word.  Had He asked for that, He would have insulted God.  God knows His responsibility very well towards the devotees who came there to hear about Him.  God has the power to fulfill His responsibility even in the last fraction of second.  Had Jesus told God to bless the devotees with food, it clearly means that God is not as kind as Jesus.  Jesus never asked for any thing.  He came to know that there were four breads.  He took them and showed to sky.  He thanked God for providing those four pieces of bread. 

Immediately the present was responded and the four breads became four thousand breads.  This application of analysis is limited to Nivrutti only.  You should not extend this to Pravrutti.  When you are hungry you have to beg the other souls because they are not omniscient to know that you are hungry.  Pravrutti and Nivrutti should never be mixed.   
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« Reply #50 on: October 27, 2010, 04:04:05 AM »

So if I commit a heinous murder, but then decide not to commit any more, I'm automatically forgiven without asking?  Cool. Wink

Even mental feeling is sin

The sin comes by the feeling itself. Mind is the main reason of the sin. The inert body without mind cannot have the sin.

 Even though Sita was touched by Ravana through body, she was sinless as per the certificate given by the Fire god. Renuka was punished for her mental sin even though her body did not even touch the other person. In such case, can anyone say frankly that he or she is not a sinner at anytime of the life? I have to be very frank because the case that you have moved is very delicate and is of critical nature. I have to expose the facts of this case from all angles without any shy.
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« Reply #51 on: October 27, 2010, 04:06:18 AM »

So if I commit a heinous murder, but then decide not to commit any more, I'm automatically forgiven without asking?  Cool. Wink


Jesus told that I would excuse all your sins if you have changed. What is the aim of the punishment? It is only reformation. Why God is punishing? Is it for revenge? Certainly, God will not punish for revenge. Punishment given by God is only for the transformation of the soul. If the soul repents and the soul is transformed, what is the need of punishment again? There is no need. However, in some cases we do not see the abrupt stoppage of suffering.

This is because, you certify your repentance and change, but God has to certify your repentance and change. Sometimes, you might have changed only 60%, 50% or 40%. You may think it is 100%. You may think that you have repented and changed fully. But, you may repeat the sin in some other new circumstances. Therefore, the certificate is to be given by God. He has to examine and He has to convince that you have transformed completely. Once God gets convinced that the soul has got completely transformed then certainly the miseries will disappear. Even if one gets such state, he will become the liberated soul. He has liberation from all miseries and all the karmas. But a liberated soul cannot keep silent. He has to enter the world to serve the mission of God and he almost has the same state of God. God wants to entertain Himself and in the entertainment, He wants misery also. In that case, He gets misery but not attached by misery. He enjoys the misery. It is completely different.

Repentence and subsequent not repeating should be there. Only repentence and if one repeat the same then sin is not cancelled. By just saying i will not repeat will not work with God. Practically one should not repeat any sin further. That stage one should come.
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« Reply #52 on: October 27, 2010, 04:08:39 AM »

Jesus did not teach that this Creation is just a dream of God.

That is not something that Christians believe.

Christians do not believe in the Narayana energetic form.

Christianity is not one and the same with Hinduism. Jesus did not teach that.

Read about what teachings are considered untrue: http://orthodoxwiki.org/Heresy

You can't just say "Jesus taught this" and make it true. There is no evidence in the Bible that Jesus taught what you have stated.

Jesus was God and hence He preached wonderful divine knowledge.

The Divine preaching of Holy Jesus is the top most Gospel in the world and touches the climax of the truth. For example Holy Krishna says in Gita that one should withdraw himself from the family bonds slowly like a tortoise withdrawing its limbs (Kurmo ngaaneeva). The tradition of Datta is to cut the family bonds by the Sword of Knowledge as per Gita (Jnanaasi natmanah). But Holy Jesus says that one should hate these family bonds to become His disciple. Cutting the bond is Zero. Existing in the bond is Plus and hating the bond is Minus. Zero is near to Plus and Minus is very far. So if you cut the bond it may form again. But if you hate the bond the bond will never be formed so that the bond with the Lord alone is eternal.

See the preaching of Lord Jesus with impartial attitude and without conservatism. After all a diamond is diamond whether it is foreign diamond or Indian diamond. Thus Holy Jesus is the king of all the divine preachers. He is like the Sun from whom these divine sentences radiate like rays. Holy Bible speaks about the everlasting fire and that the souls have no rebirth. Hindu scriptures say that the soul has rebirth. Both these can be convinced and co-related. The condemned souls enter the everlasting fire, which means that these souls take the births as animals, birds, worms etc, which are like the fire due to the continuous agony. The word “everlasting” means that once the soul enters into the cycle of these births the soul will never come back to the human birth. The rebirth as a human being as told in the Hindu scriptures can be again co-related with the Holy Bible.

Holy Jesus says that the Kingdom of God is extended into this world. The meaning of this is that whenever God comes in human form to stay with us (Immanuel), the disciples of the Lord will be staying in this divine Kingdom on the throwns equally with the Lord. This means the servants of the Lord will take rebirth as human beings and will be preaching here and they will be respected like God. For Ex: The Holy Pope is given the status of God. The Holy Pope and other such top most Bishops and pious Fathers who are indulged in the propagation of the knowledge will get the status of God here itself in this world. Thus, the inner sense is the same in all the scriptures, which is spoken in different ways. The ways are different but the real essence is the same.

The aim of human life is to achieve the grace that is the love of God. Even if you earn more money you are not carrying it after death. Very little money is sufficient to eat and drink which the animals and the birds are also doing even without money. If the aim of the money is only eating, drinking and enjoying, you will be born as animal or bird or worm in the next birth. If your file is opened in the upper world you will not get definitely the human birth. When you serve the Lord in this world when He comes in the human form then only you can get human birth without any enquiry in order to serve the Lord when the Lord reincarnates. You must recognize the Lord by His knowledge, because Veda says that knowledge is Brahman.

Only miracles are not the signs since demons also performed miracles. Gita says that the Lord comes down in human form (Maanusheem tanu masritam). Gita also says that it is very difficult to worship formless (Avyaktahi). Gita also says that if one worships the inert statue, he will be born as a stone (Bhutejya yanti Bhutani). So you must serve the Lord by doing practical service which consists of 1) Sacrifice of work 2) Sacrifice of fruit of work (money), which is also a form of work. The Sacrifice must be to the full extent. When a beggar gives one rupee that is greater than one lakh given by a multi lakhier because the beggar has sacrificed whatever he possessed. Holy Jesus appreciated one old lady who donated whatever she possessed, as the highest divine soul.
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« Reply #53 on: October 27, 2010, 04:18:36 AM »

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Killing is the highest sin, which gives highest pain to the living being. In the next birth, the killed living being will be born as human being, you will be born as the living being and you will be killed similarly by the human being so that your soul will realize the pain and get reformed.
How can a being created body and soul, transmigrate? Furthermore, how can an animal become something created in the likeness and image of God? These ideas are found neither in Scripture nor patristics and have no place in Holy Orthodoxy. This is sheer paganism and despite what Vivekananda may say on the matter, it will never be compatible with Orthodox thought.



A goat is a pure vegetarian but you are eating that goat also.  When you find a human being, who is a murderer, will you kill him directly or hand over him to the court?  Assuming that the fish is also a murderer, you cannot kill it directly.  God will punish it.  In the case of the fish, you need not file a case against the fish in the court of the God, because there is no need of such filing in the case of God.  Moreover you are raising your voice against the hanging of a murderer stating, “If you cannot give life, you have no right to take it away”.  You are also pleading that hanging is the most barbaric deed and that several countries have banned it.

 Your statement applies to the fish also, which is a murderer of the creatures.  Life is common in the human being as well as the fish.  Both are living beings.  If you don’t have right to take away the life of a human being, you have also no right to take the life of the fish also.  The Dharma Shastras say that non-voilence is the highest justice (Ahimsa Paramo Dharmah).  If you say that the fish kills the creatures for food and that there is no sin, there should not be sin if cornivorous hunters from forest enter the city and start eating the human beings.

 You should not object their food also, but you will kill them because your fellow human beings are killed.  If you broaden your heart and see the fish as your fellow living being, you are practicing the highest form of justice, which pleases the Lord.  You cannot compare the plants with animals and birds.  Even in the case of plants, the green plants should not be cut.

Plucking leaves and fruits is not killing.  The crops are cut only when they die after loosing the sign of the life, which is the Green Chlorophyll.  In plants life exists but mind and intelligence do not exist.
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« Reply #54 on: October 27, 2010, 05:00:55 AM »

They enjoying the world created by the Lord and abuse the Lord. The Lord will keep silent towards them in this world. The Lord uses the atheists to test His devotees. He will observe whether such atheists can affect His devotee. Later on the atheist will be severely punished by the Lord. The fifth type of people neither recognizes nor abuses the Lord. They simply enjoy the world without bothering about the Lord. The Lord will throw such people into the births of animals, birds, worms etc. In such births one can enjoy the world without worrying about the Lord.

I much prefer the reincarnation scheme of Carpocrates the gnostic, who says that, once we experience all there is to experience (including atheism and wickedness, asceticism, love, virtue, etc.) across the span of one or more lives, that we will ascend to God. Wink
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They enjoying the world created by the Lord and abuse the Lord. The Lord will keep silent towards them in this world. The Lord uses the atheists to test His devotees. He will observe whether such atheists can affect His devotee. Later on the atheist will be severely punished by the Lord. The fifth type of people neither recognizes nor abuses the Lord. They simply enjoy the world without bothering about the Lord. The Lord will throw such people into the births of animals, birds, worms etc. In such births one can enjoy the world without worrying about the Lord.

I much prefer the reincarnation scheme of Carpocrates the gnostic, who says that, once we experience all there is to experience (including atheism and wickedness, asceticism, love, virtue, etc.) across the span of one or more lives, that we will ascend to God. Wink


Only one Lord created this entire universe. He should have told the same knowledge everywhere in the world. The contradiction is only due to misunderstanding. In Hinduism also Sankara says that again human birth is almost impossible (Jantunaam Nara Janma Durlabhamidam). Sankara was the incarnation of Siva and so what He told is also authoritative. Even Gita says that the soul comes back to this world but does not say that the soul gets again the human birth (Ksheene Punye Martyalokam Visanti). In the second chapter, Gita speaks about rebirth but not about the human rebirth. Islam and Christianity say that the human birth is given only as a single chance. After this the final judgement is given. The soul either goes to the Lord or goes to the hell permanently. In Gita also there are two ways for the soul. Either the soul goes to the Lord and does not return back or the soul returns back to the world (Abrahma Bhuvanath, Yat Gatva). According to Gita, if the soul does not go to the Lord (Brahmaloka), it returns back after enjoying the fruits of incomplete spiritual effort. Therefore in this human birth, if the spiritual effort is completed, the soul goes to the Brahmaloka permanently.

If the spiritual effort is incomplete the soul may go up to any world below Brahmaloka, it will return back to this earth after enjoying the fruits of its incomplete spiritual effort. The soul may go up to the sixth world, it cannot go to the Brahmaloka, which is the seventh world by doing the remaining spiritual effort in the sixth world. The reason is once the soul leaves this earth all the upper worlds are only Bhogalokas i.e., the worlds in which the soul can enjoy the fruits, but cannot do any work (Karma). Therefore the soul has to return back to the earth. The soul will not get again another chance of human birth because once it is failed it can never succeed. Therefore the soul comes to the earth and falls into the cycle of animals and birds only. When the soul is trapped in this cycle of animal births, it is treated as a permanent hell.

If the soul goes to Brahmaloka it always accompanies the Lord either in Brahmaloka or may come back to the earth along with the Lord who takes the human incarnation. In such case the soul is born as a divine servant of the Lord. Such soul will not take rebirth in the cycle of animals. Thus for the divine soul also there is no such rebirth. In this way Hinduism, Islam and Christianity are correlated as one concept preached by the one Lord. Christians and Muslims are putting up sincere spiritual effort because there is a threat that this human life is the only chance. There is no reexamination according to these religions. This human birth is the only one examination and the soul either passes or fails and will not be allowed for any reexamination. But in Hinduism such threat is not there.

People have taken a lenient view on the spiritual life because they think that the human rebirths are possible and so they can put up the spiritual effort slowly in the future human births. The Lord cannot say different theories to different people. The rule must be same for all the human beings of the world. Therefore whatever the Lord told in Christianity and Islam also told the same in Hinduism. Hindus misunderstood the concept. Therefore what ever may be the religion, every human being should think “Now or Never”.

The human rebirth is only for Yoga Bhrashta i.e., the soul, which has reached Brahmaloka and fell due to some slip. Such a soul is suspended from Brahmaloka and comes down to the earth and takes rebirth as a human being only. You have passed the P.G. Degree and obtained the post of the lecturer. But you were suspended for a month due to some mistake. You will be re-appointed.

Similarly the Yoga Bhrashta will be born as a human being for some time and will come back to Brahmaloka. The case of incomplete spiritual effort is different from Yoga Bhrashta. The incomplete spiritual person is like a B.A. Degree holder who never achieved the lecturer post. You cannot argue that you can be appointed as a seventy five percent lecturer since you reached seventy five percent of the total educational period (from school to P.G.Degree is hundred percent) by getting a B.A. Degree.

Thus there is no partial achievement by partial spiritual effort. The grace of the Lord is either hundred percent or zero. If it is hundred percent you are reaching Brahmaloka. If it is Zero percent you are falling back to the earth in the cycle of animals and birds. There is no third way in between these two. When this truth is revealed, only one in thousands will try to put the real spiritual effort as said in Gita (Manushyaanaam Sahasreshu). By this Hindus will become alert in spiritual effort like Christians and Muslims.
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« Reply #56 on: October 27, 2010, 05:30:20 AM »

That was pretty quick, dattaswami, almost like you just copy and pasted it... never forget that Google tells all Wink
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« Reply #57 on: October 27, 2010, 05:40:44 AM »

Your intelligence can never imagine original God
Any amount of logical analysis of intelligence fails to imagine the original God


   The original God, having no spatial dimensions, is beyond space. If you want to see such original God, you have to cross the space. In doing so, you have to reach the boundary of the space. Unless you cross the boundary of Andhra Pradesh, you cannot enter Tamilnadu. If you reach the boundary of Andhra Pradesh, you can see Tamilnadu from there. Similarly, if you reach the boundary of space, you can see the original God starting from that boundary. But, space is infinite and hence its boundary can never be achieved. If the original God has spatial dimensions, it means, the space is in God. It means, you have not achieved the boundary of space. Your intelligence can never cross the spatial dimensions and can never go beyond space. This means, your intelligence can never imagine the original God.

Intelligence is the highest faculty having the power of imagination after thorough analysis. Any amount of logical analysis of intelligence fails to imagine the original God. Veda says this (Namethayaa….,Naishaatarkena….). There is no need of saying that lower faculties like mind, life etc., fail to imagine the original God. Life has very dormant power of thinking. Mind has the power of thinking but cannot analyze anything. Veda says that God generated the space. If God has spatial dimensions, it means that God has space. In such case, space exists in God even before its generation. This contradicts the statement that God generated the space. The mud generated pot. The pot is not in the mud before its generation. This is the starting point or foundation of the spiritual knowledge.
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« Reply #58 on: October 27, 2010, 05:43:38 AM »

Are you here to discuss what you are saying, or are you just going to copy and paste stuff that you've already posted elsewhere on the net?
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« Reply #59 on: October 27, 2010, 05:47:40 AM »

Are you here to discuss what you are saying, or are you just going to copy and paste stuff that you've already posted elsewhere on the net?

It is seriously for discussion, i invite you for that....
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« Reply #60 on: October 27, 2010, 06:10:06 AM »

God is the absolute reality hence invisible

The unimaginable concept of God is not from the side of God. It is only from your side since it is your defect. Your imagination cannot transcend the dimensions of space to understand God, who is beyond space, being the creator of space.

God is the absolute reality and the space along with consequent creation is a relative reality. This point keeps God beyond space. This point cannot be sacrificed because the creation including space can be possible and under the full control of God only, if God alone is the absolute reality. If both God and creation are absolute realities, the control of God on creation becomes impossible. If both are absolute realities, you can see God in the space itself. But, there cannot be two absolute realities. Absolute reality can be one only. Otherwise, there is no possibility of creation. The concept of creation comes into the picture only when one absolute reality exists and creates the relative reality.


A real rope cannot create a real snake. A real rope can create a false snake as an illusion. Therefore, to see the absolute God, you have to make the world as another absolute reality and in such case the creation becomes impossible. All this is the technical difficulty in the process of creation and hence it is inevitable. If you understand this analysis, you will not mistake God as sadist troubling you by hiding Himself. All this analysis is given by Shankara.


[All these information are regarding the absolute God, but such God comes in human form to allow us to see¬ Him, through the human incarnation]
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« Reply #61 on: October 27, 2010, 07:25:22 AM »

Nice work, Asteriktos. Hello, Anil....  Cheesy
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« Reply #62 on: October 27, 2010, 07:35:01 AM »

So where is the Church in all this? Where is sacramental Confession?
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« Reply #63 on: October 27, 2010, 07:41:20 AM »

No need for the Church. Just offer devotion to Anil's guru, Shri Datta Swami, whose face has been conveniently photoshopped over all the world's religious founders: Take your pick.

Even "Science!"  laugh
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« Reply #64 on: October 27, 2010, 07:43:24 AM »

Well I think climate is also a big factor in determining how diets are formed; I wouild think as eskimo in their traditional existence couild not be vegetarian so for those who are Orthodox, economy I presume, is extended. Surely pure vegetarianism is easily a Christian life & our fasts during Lent & Nativity require part of our lives to be vegetarian (health concerns aside for individuals). We also have to remember that our Lord allowed a herd of swine to stampede off a cliff when the demons asked that they possess it.
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« Reply #65 on: October 27, 2010, 10:43:11 AM »

Are you here to discuss what you are saying, or are you just going to copy and paste stuff that you've already posted elsewhere on the net?

It is seriously for discussion, i invite you for that....

Then why are you copy and pasting these articles from your website? http://dattaswami.blog.co.uk/2006/02/25/meaning_by_vairaagyam_sayujyam_and_kaiva~591345/


Why not come here, introduce yourself in accord with good manners, and come right out and say that you are (some sort) of practicing Hindu? Why put "Christian" in your "faith" title? Christian implies specific beliefs. You have come here incognito and tried to pass yourself off as something you are not, or at least this is the assumption of some of us. If you are a Hindu who is a devotee of Jesus, why not say so? Why not title your faith as "Christian Hindu" or something? We are not going to flame you because you are a Hindu. If you want to have an honest and open dialogue about the similarities and differences between Hinduism and Christianity (particularly Eastern Christianity which has a number of similarities) at least some of us would be more than willing to do that.

I myself am fascinated with Hinduism and see lots of common ground. We have a few people here who are former Hindus, and others who simply like discussions and dialogue. But it's hard to "dialogue" with someone who simply cuts and pastes from things they have written years before. That's not dialogue, that's quote mining....how do we even know that you have actually written this stuff? Is that actually your website? If it is not, you need to give credit to the original author for copyright reasons. If it is you, why can't you just take the time to type some of your own thoughts afresh? Why the desire to flood the board with multiple topics all at once? And why are trying to convince us you are "right" in these matters? Somehow it seems at odds with the thoughts of gurus like Rama Krishna who taught the path to God is found equally in all faiths. 

I'd personally love to talk about Christianity and Hinduism, but so far all I see is a bunch of disjointed threads with no sense of "this is what I believe and why" rather the threads give the impression that their truth is self evident and we will all see that upon reading them and then, what, "convert" to Hinduism? That makes no sense because personally if I DID do that, I would still choose Jesus as the Avatar I would worship, very little would change for me personally, other than some esoteric doctrines and some issues of metaphysics.

Let me put it another way, none of us really understands what it is you are doing and why you have posted these cut and paste jobs. The fact that you've posted the exact same things all over the internet, at Christian, interfaith and even Judaism message boards implies not a desire to engage in conversation but an attempt to "prove" something to us. I could be very wrong, if so I will apologize, but right now it's just hard to discern what is happening here. I intend no offense, and a good discussion about Hinduism would be fun, but only if it is honest and open.


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« Reply #66 on: October 27, 2010, 01:38:10 PM »

Why are you posting these weird things here?
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« Reply #67 on: October 27, 2010, 11:42:40 PM »

To the OP:  Did anyone here ask you the questions you're answering?
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« Reply #68 on: October 28, 2010, 04:16:38 AM »

Are you here to discuss what you are saying, or are you just going to copy and paste stuff that you've already posted elsewhere on the net?

It is seriously for discussion, i invite you for that....

Then why are you copy and pasting these articles from your website? http://dattaswami.blog.co.uk/2006/02/25/meaning_by_vairaagyam_sayujyam_and_kaiva~591345/


Why not come here, introduce yourself in accord with good manners, and come right out and say that you are (some sort) of practicing Hindu? Why put "Christian" in your "faith" title? Christian implies specific beliefs. You have come here incognito and tried to pass yourself off as something you are not, or at least this is the assumption of some of us. If you are a Hindu who is a devotee of Jesus, why not say so? Why not title your faith as "Christian Hindu" or something? We are not going to flame you because you are a Hindu. If you want to have an honest and open dialogue about the similarities and differences between Hinduism and Christianity (particularly Eastern Christianity which has a number of similarities) at least some of us would be more than willing to do that.

I myself am fascinated with Hinduism and see lots of common ground. We have a few people here who are former Hindus, and others who simply like discussions and dialogue. But it's hard to "dialogue" with someone who simply cuts and pastes from things they have written years before. That's not dialogue, that's quote mining....how do we even know that you have actually written this stuff? Is that actually your website? If it is not, you need to give credit to the original author for copyright reasons. If it is you, why can't you just take the time to type some of your own thoughts afresh? Why the desire to flood the board with multiple topics all at once? And why are trying to convince us you are "right" in these matters? Somehow it seems at odds with the thoughts of gurus like Rama Krishna who taught the path to God is found equally in all faiths. 

I'd personally love to talk about Christianity and Hinduism, but so far all I see is a bunch of disjointed threads with no sense of "this is what I believe and why" rather the threads give the impression that their truth is self evident and we will all see that upon reading them and then, what, "convert" to Hinduism? That makes no sense because personally if I DID do that, I would still choose Jesus as the Avatar I would worship, very little would change for me personally, other than some esoteric doctrines and some issues of metaphysics.

Let me put it another way, none of us really understands what it is you are doing and why you have posted these cut and paste jobs. The fact that you've posted the exact same things all over the internet, at Christian, interfaith and even Judaism message boards implies not a desire to engage in conversation but an attempt to "prove" something to us. I could be very wrong, if so I will apologize, but right now it's just hard to discern what is happening here. I intend no offense, and a good discussion about Hinduism would be fun, but only if it is honest and open.


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Hi, as you said there is a lot of similarity between Christanity and Hinduism.The Divine preaching of Holy Jesus is the top most Gospel in the world and touches the climax of the truth. For example Holy Krishna says in Gita that one should withdraw himself from the family bonds slowly like a tortoise withdrawing its limbs (Kurmo ngaaneeva). The tradition of Datta is to cut the family bonds by the Sword of Knowledge as per Gita (Jnanaasi natmanah). But Holy Jesus says that one should hate these family bonds to become His disciple. Cutting the bond is Zero. Existing in the bond is Plus and hating the bond is Minus. Zero is near to Plus and Minus is very far. So if you cut the bond it may form again. But if you hate the bond the bond will never be formed so that the bond with the Lord alone is eternal.

See the preaching of Lord Jesus with impartial attitude and without conservatism. After all a diamond is diamond whether it is foreign diamond or Indian diamond. Thus Holy Jesus is the king of all the divine preachers. He is like the Sun from whom these divine sentences radiate like rays. Holy Bible speaks about the everlasting fire and that the souls have no rebirth. Hindu scriptures say that the soul has rebirth. Both these can be convinced and co-related. The condemned souls enter the everlasting fire, which means that these souls take the births as animals, birds, worms etc, which are like the fire due to the continuous agony. The word “everlasting” means that once the soul enters into the cycle of these births the soul will never come back to the human birth. The rebirth as a human being as told in the Hindu scriptures can be again co-related with the Holy Bible.

Holy Jesus says that the Kingdom of God is extended into this world. The meaning of this is that whenever God comes in human form to stay with us (Immanuel), the disciples of the Lord will be staying in this divine Kingdom on the throwns equally with the Lord. This means the servants of the Lord will take rebirth as human beings and will be preaching here and they will be respected like God. For Ex: The Holy Pope is given the status of God. The Holy Pope and other such top most Bishops and pious Fathers who are indulged in the propagation of the knowledge will get the status of God here itself in this world. Thus, the inner sense is the same in all the scriptures, which is spoken in different ways. The ways are different but the real essence is the same.

The aim of human life is to achieve the grace that is the love of God. Even if you earn more money you are not carrying it after death. Very little money is sufficient to eat and drink which the animals and the birds are also doing even without money. If the aim of the money is only eating, drinking and enjoying, you will be born as animal or bird or worm in the next birth. If your file is opened in the upper world you will not get definitely the human birth. When you serve the Lord in this world when He comes in the human form then only you can get human birth without any enquiry in order to serve the Lord when the Lord reincarnates. You must recognize the Lord by His knowledge, because Veda says that knowledge is Brahman.

Only miracles are not the signs since demons also performed miracles. Gita says that the Lord comes down in human form (Maanusheem tanu masritam). Gita also says that it is very difficult to worship formless (Avyaktahi). Gita also says that if one worships the inert statue, he will be born as a stone (Bhutejya yanti Bhutani). So you must serve the Lord by doing practical service which consists of 1) Sacrifice of work 2) Sacrifice of fruit of work (money), which is also a form of work. The Sacrifice must be to the full extent. When a beggar gives one rupee that is greater than one lakh given by a multi lakhier because the beggar has sacrificed whatever he possessed. Holy Jesus appreciated one old lady who donated whatever she possessed, as the highest divine soul.
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« Reply #69 on: October 28, 2010, 04:17:56 AM »

To the OP:  Did anyone here ask you the questions you're answering?

Such questions can come in the mind of many devotees also.
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« Reply #70 on: October 28, 2010, 04:21:51 AM »

So where is the Church in all this? Where is sacramental Confession?

you can go to church and first you can repent about your sins and go to the confession, there you can tell all your sins to the Father and ask for forgiveness. you should do the prayer for forgiveness and recite those prayers.....
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« Reply #71 on: October 28, 2010, 04:32:54 AM »

Nice work, Asteriktos. Hello, Anil....  Cheesy
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« Reply #72 on: October 28, 2010, 04:48:18 AM »

Judge By Knowledge

Suppose there are two teachers and one is a Hindu and the other is a Christian. You must judge the teacher by His knowledge and way of preaching. Accept that teacher whose teaching inserts into your heart deeply and make you understand the subject. Such knowledge will definitely lead to practice. Similarly you judge any scripture by the value of its knowledge and the way of preaching the knowledge. Don’t be biased in such judgment because you will be helped by the knowledge of the teacher and not by the teacher. If you insist that Lord Krishna is the only God and Holy Bhagavathgita is the only scripture by which one can get the salvation, it is not correct.

 I will put a question here. If what you say is correct the information about Lord Krishna and Holy Bhagavatgita should have been given to the entire world on one day and in the same minute. Then those who follow will get salvation and those who do not follow will go to hell. Then God becomes impartial to all the human beings. But Krishna and Bhagavathgita existed in India thousands of years ago. The information about Krishna and Bhagavathgita reached other countries only about 500 hundred years back when Vasco-da-gama invented a route to India.

Before the invention of India, the Indians were blessed by Lord Krishna and Bhagavat Gita. But, what about the foreigners? They did not have any information.

In the absence of the information how can they follow Krishna and Bhagavathgita? It is not their fault when the information itself was absent. All the foreigners before 500 years went to hell according to your argument. That is not justified because they were not informed. This means God became partial to India only. But God is impartial. All the human beings in the world are His children only. Therefore such rigid argument of conservatism is foolish. Of course this applies to every religion who follows such conservatism. Be open minded and read all the scriptures and judge by the merit. You must judge the teacher by his knowledge and way of preaching only and not by the teacher’s caste, sex and religion.

Therefore, I advice all the Hindus to read the preaching of Holy Jesus and get the spiritual benefit out of them. His teachings are very sharp and shrewd like the powerful rays of radiating Sun, which will help you in your spiritual effort. Don’t be biased by the external culture, which is apparent only. Are you not using the fan, the electric bulb, television etc., which are invented by the Christian scientists? Similarly you should use the diamonds that came out from the mouth of Holy Jesus in your spiritual efforts and get their benefit.
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« Reply #73 on: October 28, 2010, 05:01:49 AM »

The Real Conversion

MATTHEW 3 : 11 (Mark 1 : 1 to 8, Luke 3 : 1 to 18)

“I indeed baptize you with water ….He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire”

Veda says ‘Prajnanam Brahma’ which means that the Holy Spirit is the divine nowledge. Gita says ‘Jnanaagnih’ which means that knowledge is fire. This means that the acceptance of Holy Jesus should be through His knowledge radiating through His sentences, which are like diamonds coming out from His mouth. The acceptance should not be just by sprinkling some water.

If you accept Holy Jesus just for some money or bread or some materialistic benefits, that is not the real conversion. Your spirit i.e., the soul should be attracted directly by His powerful knowledge. The Holy water represents rituals without knowledge. Unless you study Vedas (Upanishaths) and Bhagavat Gita and realize the knowledge by putting it in practice you cannot be a Hindu.

 A true Hindu is always a true Christian because the practical sacrifice is the same in any religion. Whether you can leave your family and money and come to God or not is same in any religion. The knowledge is same in all the scriptures. Whether you are a doctor studied in English medium or French medium, you can cure the disease of any patient and perform the surgery. Religions are only languages and knowledge is the content of the syllabus. Anybody does not understand the Brotherly-hood of all the religions.

If you travel along the religion – river you will reach the Spiritualism – ocean. Live as a sea fish and don’t be stagnant as a river fish by stopping your journey which should be along with the flow of religion – river. If a Hindu insults Holy Jesus and Holy Bible, he has insulted Holy Krishna and Holy Gita. Same thing applies to the follower of any religion. Let each human being understand all the religions by reading the scriptures of all the religions. An Indian goes to a foreign country and takes a degree in medicine studying the subject in that foreign language.

If he comes back to India he can practice applying the subject he studied to any human being. He can perform the surgery to any person. You are purchasing a diamond from a foreign country or you throwing it away since it is the foreign diamond. You are using the fan, the electric bulb the television etc., which are invented by foreign scientists and you are using these things in your daily life. Why not you use the diamond like concepts from the foreign scriptures like Holy Bible in your spiritual life also? This question applies to the follower of every religion.
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   In the Gita, it is said that ‘No work binds Me’. What is the meaning of this?
God does not aspire for any fruit. He does not have any selfish aspiration. Therefore, He will not do any selfish work. Here, karma means the work done to achieve selfish goals. Such work will not touch Him and cannot bind Him. He will not be bound by the work for achieving the selfish goals because He does not have any selfishness. There is nothing for Him to achieve for Himself. Work means work done to achieve a selfish goal.

Unselfish work will not bind. Always a fellow is bound limited by selfish work only. Unselfish work never binds. Suppose you are doing a job. If you go to work with the attitude like ‘this is my job’, ‘I have to maintain my family’ etc., then you get tension. Suppose you attend the job of your friend, you do it without any selfishness. You are trying to help somebody else when some problem comes. There will be not any tension for you.

When you do your work, imagine that it is not your work and it is somebody else work you are doing then you will be relieved from tension. When such is the state that even by assumption, you are relieved of tension and then if you really work for others, you will be really relieved from tension.
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« Reply #75 on: October 28, 2010, 05:04:46 AM »

Jesus cured a blind person & told that it is to glorify God. Is it not injustice?

[In the Bible, there is an incident, in which Jesus cures a person who is blind by birth and Jesus spoke to the people that he was born blind not because of his sins, but for the glory of God. Is it not injustice and cruelty of God?]

You have not the understood the context, which God alone knows. God will never do injustice. His acts are always just only. The person is born blind due to his own previous deeds only, and God is not at all responsible for that. This is the truth. This particular incident can be analysed in two ways. In the first case, the person would have completely undergone the results of his bad deeds by the time he saw Jesus. The cure by Jesus would have coincided with the end of punishment for his previous deeds.

 In the second case, Jesus would have actually carried the sins, which are supposed to be suffered by that blind person. Also, by such verses, Jesus tested the attitude of the blind person towards Him. If he is a real devotee, when Jesus spoke that he is born blind for the glory of God, he would have accepted that statement thinking that it is the wish of God.

In this case, the person is a real devotee of God and he never criticized God by hearing those statements from Jesus, rather he praised Him.


Infact, Jesus carried the sins of that person, during His crucifixion. The thorns, which were put on His head, pierced His eyes also, by which Jesus carried the sins of the blind person. This incident shows that God is always kind and He comes in human form and carries the sins of His People on to Him. His people are those who love Him alone without any desire or expecation.
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« Reply #76 on: October 28, 2010, 05:10:41 AM »

Dear friend,

I'm not sure what your intention is in posting your comments here. This is an Orthodox Christian forum. It seems that your messages are aimed at Hindus, and therefore are not relevant here. I'm sure you have some good things to say, but posting your ideology here can cause confusion and mislead many people. I encourage you to find another more appropriate forum to dispense your ideas. Please respect our Orthodox Christian Faith and our desire to be clear in promoting Orthodox Christian Truth on this forum. If you are an Orthodox Christian, please find a less confusing way to communicate your thoughts. Perhaps you could start a single thread dealing with Orthodox Christian evangelism to Hindus. Or if you want to discuss and compare Orthodox Christianity and Hinduism, then start a single thread about that.

Thank you for considering my concerns.


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« Reply #77 on: October 28, 2010, 05:11:09 AM »

A criminal was sanctioned heaven by Lord Jesus. How?

On the cross, when Jesus is present in such a horrible condition, the two theives who were also crucified got the same universal doubt that how the Lord in human form is crucified who is crying loudly asking "Oh! Lord! Why did you leave Me?" This scene will clearly establish the doubt in the heart of any human being that Jesus cannot be the Lord. The doubt comes with a main point that why the Lord was unable to protect Himself and that How can He protect others? But the doubter should also think the scene in which Lord Jesus asked a dead body to become alive. Only the Lord has the power to give the life. Thus we find both the contradicting concepts of the Lord and the human body of the Lord.

The concept of the Lord attracts the human beings. The concept of the human body tests the human beings and filters the real devotee out of them. The second thief believed Holy Jesus as the Lord even in that pathetic condition. Such devotion is great and real. He did not show this belief when he saw the Holy Jesus raising the dead body.

When a girl loved the son of a king who is in the disguise of a beggar, such love is great. When the king declares himself as the king, every girl loves him to marry and become the queen. The thief did not ask any worldly desire. He could have asked Holy Jesus to give Him the life itself and Holy Jesus could have given it because He is still the Lord even on the cross. The thief asked only protection in the upper world and did not ask for any materialistic boon.

Thus he is certainly a higher devotee also. He did not see any miracle and believed Holy Jesus as the Lord, who placed Himself in such a worst situation. The human incarnation is a game of the Lord (Narayana) and human body (Nara). The thief showed correct understanding of the human incarnation. The internal Lord is great and the external human body follows all the natural rules. A blade can cut even the shirt of a king.

Even though his shirt is cut the king does not loose his powers and quality of kindness. The thief approached the internal Lord and the internal Lord assured the thief. This shows how realized soul the thief is? That is the highest test for the faith in the spirituality and so the thief deserves complete grace of the Lord. The other thief got confused the Lord with the human body. Like all the other human beings he thought if the shirt of a king is torn, the king lost all his powers.

Gita says that even the highest criminal is blessed by the Lord if he is a real devotee (Apichet Sa duracharah…..). The Lord considers the faith and devotion as the criteria and not the qualities of the devotee. We pay for the contents in the cup and not for the colour or material of the cup. Kannappa, a hunter was given salvation by Lord Shiva. The Lord sees the selfless sacrifice and faith, which are the fruits of real devotion and real knowledge. When Lakshmana became unconcious Rama was weeping.

 Hanuman brought the Sanjeevi Hill and saved Lakshmana. Rama expressed His gratefulness to Hanuman. In this scene even the audience will believe that Hanuman is God and Rama is a devotee. But Hanuman Himself declared that He could do the service by the grace of the Lord Rama only. This is a test for His faith and faith is the fruit of determination that comes out from the divine knowledge. Sacrifice is fruit of the devotion or love. Lord tests your faith and your sacrifice so that you will know in what stage of divine knowledge and devotion you are.
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« Reply #78 on: October 28, 2010, 05:44:27 AM »

You should start a church. I'll come visit out of curiousity...
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« Reply #79 on: October 28, 2010, 06:30:21 AM »

You should start a church. I'll come visit out of curiousity...
People are always under the illusion of majority.  People think that whatever is done by the majority is always good.  They expect their son to study, earn a job, marry and have children.  The sons of majority are doing like this.  Therefore, people think that this is the good path.  Therefore, they expect their sons also to follow the same good path.  If any son tries to deviate from this path the parents are worried.  Of-course the deviation from this path may be towards positive or negative side.  If one is leaving this earth, he may fly to the sky or may fall into the downward pit called ‘Patala’.  Both are deviations.  Similarly, if the son deviates from this normal path and becomes a lazy fellow and is trapped by bad habits the deviation is negative.

  In such case the son should be forced to the normal path.  He should be brought to the ground from the pit.  But if the son deviates from the normal path and is turned towards God by becoming a monk, the parents should encourage and appreciate.  If some body is leaving the ground and is flying to the sky, it should be appreciated.  Therefore, the negative deviation should be condemned and the positive deviation should be appreciated.  

The Scriptures say that if a couple is not having a son, they will go to the hell called ‘Put’ (Punnama Naraka).  Does this mean that Sankara, Rama Krishna Parahamsa etc., who did not have sons have gone to the hell?  Does this mean the demons who had sons have not gone to the hell?  This statement of the scripture has to be understood with reference to the negative deviation.  This means that one should marry and get a son by leading a disciplined regular family life and one should not be unmarried and should not be trapped by bad habits like moving with prostitutes.  Thus, with reference to this negative deviation only the normal path is appreciated.  This means that you should be on the ground and should not fall into the pit.  

This does not mean that you should be on the ground and should not fly to the sky.

  This is not with reference to the positive deviation.  Therefore, the production of a son is appreciated with reference to a debatcherous life.  But it should not be appreciated with reference to the life of a monk.  Earning one rupee is appreciated with reference to the loss of money.  But it need be appreciated with reference to earning 100 rupees.  The concept of majority is capturing the minds of even spiritual people.  The spiritual preacher is encouraged to deliver the knowledge if a large gathering appears.  When Krishna preached Gita there were lakhs of soldiers there.

 But He preached Gita only to Arjuna because he was the only deserving devotee.  If any spiritual preacher is in the place of Krishna, he would have requested for a mike so that he can preach Gita to all the people in the war!!  Datta is surrounded only by very few deserving disciples like Pingala Naga, Alarka, Parasurama, Skanda etc., Sankara preached the commentary only to the four deserving disciples.   A Professor is surrounded by a very few research scholars engaged in discussions.    If you visit a schoolteacher he is surrounded by a hundred children who are not listening anything.  

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« Reply #80 on: October 28, 2010, 06:46:01 AM »

Devotion should come spontaneously but not by effort. Is it not contradicting?

The devotion on God should be spontaneous. Love is in the heart and it shall come by its own without any force or compulsion. Knowing more and more about God is the spiritual effort. The devotion will increase by such effort, but love on God can only be spontaneous. I will give an example, if a boy asks his girl friend to have more and more love on him, is it not foolishness? Love should be complete, not partial and then only it becomes spontaneous. The love should withstand in troubles also.

Even if the girl neglects him, still if he loves her, then it is the true spontaneous love. Likewise, in the case of God, even if one loves Him inspite of troubles or negligence from side of the God, then it is the real love, which is expressed spontaneously.
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« Reply #81 on: October 28, 2010, 06:47:20 AM »

What is the state of liberation or salvation?


This state is completely filled with devotion to God and nothing else. That is the sate of liberation. State of liberation does not mean absence of every quality. It is not a qualityless state. It has the quality of devotion. A devotee becomes a libearated soul when he is relieved from the influence of all the bonds except the bond with the God. It is the state of liberation. Liberation means relieving yourself from all the bonds except the bond with God.


Liberation does not mean relieving yourself from all the bonds including the bond with God. Then, it is not liberation. In Adaviata philosophy, all the bonds are dissolved and only simple awareness is left over. There is no bond. It is not liberation. It is only just a state of meditation, where all the ideas disappear. Liberation means a state where the quality of devotion is higher and the bond with God is the strongest. Infact, the bond with God alone is leftover and all other bonds simply vanish. It is the liberation from all the bonds other than the bond with God and that is the liberation.
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« Reply #82 on: October 28, 2010, 06:48:49 AM »

While propagating knowledge, some people do not understand it. What to do?
For the people who are at the basic level, the knowledge should be mixed with several defects. Wrong knowledge must be mixed then only the basic people will follow. Slowly as they climb, the wrong knowledge should be removed and the correct knowledge must be exposed. If you mix the wrong knowledge then only basic people are attracted. For example, if you say ‘do this prayer, your problem will be solved’ then people are attracted.

 For dealing with such masses, there are several gurus, who take the help of God and want to earn something by showing God’s power to solve their problems and such people are there several already. Though they have those defects, they have got one merit that they divert people to God and they are not atheists. You can treat it as some LKG class or elementary class. For such elementary classes, there is no need of effort of God to preach because several people are already generated naturally for peraching at that level.

 They want to lead people in wrong line and earn something. Though they are in wrong line, they have one merit and that is approaching God. By frequent approach to God, your love to God also will increase. As your problems are solved, you will get more and more acquaintance with God. Then you start thinking about God, analyze about God and finally knowledge about God.
Therefore, it is also a basic step and one should not condemn it.

For that, there is no need of effort of God because without His effort already the defective people and wrong gurus are several in the creation, spontaouesly produced for their livelilyhood and fame. God need not put any effort to generate gurus for masses. Gurus are spontaneously generated for masses. Only for higher level, God puts effort because for higher level people, the gurus are not spontaneously generated. For higher level, a real Guru is needed. Jesus is only one guru meant for the higher level.

But, if you take wrong gurus, there were several. All those priests, who condemned Jesus and crucified were of those type only. They also believed in God. They did not oppose God. You cannot condemn them completely, though they are fond of money and fame and they have all nonsense of business; in spite of all these negative points, there is one positive point and that is that they accepted God. Jesus need not put effort to create such priests because the nature itself has spontaneous arrangement to create such false gurus suitable to the lower level. God does not take any effort for that. Already natural set up is there.
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« Reply #83 on: October 28, 2010, 06:50:33 AM »

‘God cannot help the undeserving’. Why it is so?


What is the meaning of help? Help means to liberate one from the sins. How will God liberate from sins? By transferring the sins on to Him by coming in Human form and suffer for that person. Now for such thing, the devotee must be a deserving devotee. Deserving means that he should not aspire for even that. He should not aspire for the transfer of his sins to God. In such case, God transfers the sins secretly without his knowledge because if he comes to know this he will deny it. That itself is the deservingness. If somebody serves God and wants that his sins should be transferred to God and he must get protection from God then he is not a deserving devotee.

Deserving in exact sense means that he who does not aspire any help from God. Such person is the really deserving person. He does not aspire and that itself brings the deservingness.

He serves without any aspiration of fruit in return from God. It is called as deserving. God certainly helps him. It means he transfers his sins on to Him and will relieve him from all the sins because he is the most deserving. This is the actual meaning of ‘deserving’. You should not aspire any help from God in return for your service because you have done the service by yourself not according to the instruction or expectation from God.

In that case, you are not going to expect any help from God and still you serve Him, then you become deserving and God helps you certainly. He is pleased. Jesus completed the mission of God by even sacrificing His life by undergoing the crucifixion. He did not expect anything from God. He did it for the sake of God to fulfil His mission. Therefore, God helped Him and was made to sit on the right hand side of God on the throne in Heaven. Deserving means one, who does not aspire any help of God in any way and at anytime.
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« Reply #84 on: October 28, 2010, 06:55:59 AM »

This would seem to be him.

http://younoodle.com/people/anil_antony

If you got your Master's from Stanford, didn't you learn about individual discussion? What's with all the copy-pasting?
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« Reply #85 on: October 28, 2010, 07:05:17 AM »

This would seem to be him.

http://younoodle.com/people/anil_antony

If you got your Master's from Stanford, didn't you learn about individual discussion? What's with all the copy-pasting?
When Jesus was struggling upon the cross, the theif who was also on the cross recognised Jesus as God even though Jesus was crying for help. This shows that the thief is not an ordinary preson and has love to Jesus.
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« Reply #86 on: October 28, 2010, 07:05:37 AM »

You should start a church. I'll come visit out of curiousity...

What you mean by that....
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« Reply #87 on: October 28, 2010, 08:24:45 AM »

dattaswami,

You've started close to 20 threads within the past two days, all with such apparent copy-and-paste jobs from who knows where. Do you really want conversation and dialogue, or are you just using OC.net as your own personal blog?
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« Reply #88 on: October 28, 2010, 08:44:35 AM »

He thinks we need illumination from his guru. A little spaming and the "burden" of being seen as unpolite is just the necessary sacrifice that a soul so compassionate as his has to go through to help those in darkness.

Arrogance and vanity, maybe lots of insecurity, the Alfred of hinduism. That's all.
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« Reply #89 on: October 28, 2010, 09:06:55 AM »

To the OP:  Did anyone here ask you the questions you're answering?

Such questions can come in the mind of many devotees also.

Devotees of what or whom?
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