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« Reply #1575 on: January 07, 2011, 12:50:44 AM »

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(If love and virtue in the household reign, This is of life the perfect grace and gain.)

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« Reply #1576 on: January 07, 2011, 01:46:47 AM »

You're still not God, dattaspammi, no matter how many cut 'n paste paragraphs you throw out.
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« Reply #1577 on: January 07, 2011, 02:09:32 AM »

You are NOT God in human form, dattaspammi.  I feel 100% confident in making that statement.

You. Are. NOT. God!

This might be as bad as a close friend of mine claiming he was Jesus Christ...
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« Reply #1578 on: January 07, 2011, 03:42:08 AM »

Are you the only current incarnation?  Or are there multiple incarnations in some generations?
Incarnation is identified from His divine knowledge. That you yourself has to do, by analysing the divine knowledge preached by the God in human form.
Well, exactly.  Thus far, your preaching seems to fall well short of divine.
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« Reply #1579 on: January 07, 2011, 06:48:01 AM »

You're still not God, dattaspammi, no matter how many cut 'n paste paragraphs you throw out.
It is a very normal reply only, no wonder...

Real interest and love on God, coming in close contact with God in human form etc is very very rare feature. Very few are eligible for it even though all are invited....

It is a common trend only. From the beginning God is coming in human form and people are rejecting Him all the way through, for Him it is not anything new, since very very few devotees exists in the world who are real and looking for His association.



“Enter by the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction and there are many who go in by it”.

Bhagavathgita says “Manushyaanam Sahasreshu…..” which means that millions of people will try to reach God but only one can reach God. This means that the spiritual path is narrow with one or two devotees only who can reach God. So you should not follow the majority as example in spiritual path. Majority goes to Hell. Will you also go to hell? Diamonds are in minority and gravel stones are in majority. In worldly matters you can follow the majority. But in spiritual line there is only one Jesus one Buddha one Sankara etc., If you are in the association of majority you will be polluted by them since they induce the worldly poison through their conversations (Luke 13: 20 & 21). If you are in the association of the Satguru you will be spiritually strengthened by His gospel.
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« Reply #1580 on: January 07, 2011, 06:51:16 AM »

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அன்பும் அறனும் உடைத்தாயின் இல்வாழ்க்கை பண்பும் பயனும் அது.
(If love and virtue in the household reign, This is of life the perfect grace and gain.)

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Vanakkam!

You are just quoting from somewhere......

The above statement is true provided all are the devotees of God and are participating in the mission of God in human form really without any selfishness.

If above were true then Jesus would not have told:

Luke—14:26 to 27

“If any one comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple’’.

I am only delivering His script which is the Truth and hence harsh, Jesus tells us that he brought the sword of knowledge not for peace, He told that He would cut the family bonds and divide the family into two, He expects His beloved disciple to leave the entire family and even life He left his family and also sacrificed his life for the mission of the Lord.

 Unless you weep, the Lord will not be pleased. Unless you loose the peace the Lord will not be peaceful. Jesus told the same in Bible “I did not come to give you peace, I came with a sword to cut your family bonds. Unless you leave your parents, husbands, wives, children and even your lives you cannot be dear to me”. Gita also says ‘Mat Gata Praanaah’ which means that the devotee’s life itself is the Lord. In the ten stages of devotion the last stage is death (Unmaado Maranam Tathah). When you are cutting your family bonds you will certainly weep and feel it as loss and trouble. Therefore Jesus told “The path that leads to Me is very narrow with one or two persons only travelling in it. The path that leads to the Hell is very wide and happy with full of people”.


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« Reply #1581 on: January 07, 2011, 06:56:01 AM »

You're still not God, dattaspammi, no matter how many cut 'n paste paragraphs you throw out.

God need not beg any body to accept Him as God etc. God is impartial and He preaches the divine knowledge and leave the entire decision upto the devotee to whether follow the divine knowledge or not.

Jesus told, you go and preach the divine knoweldge, and if any body reject this knowledge then as a proof you even remove the dust under your foot against them.....

God is not for fame and recognition here. God is here to preach the divine knoweldge so that in the upper world, He will not blammed for not preaching them!


God preaches the knoweldge if any body is interested in following the knowledge, He takes a special care of them and will show the path through the divine knowledge more intensely. Otherwise He perform His duty of preaching the divine knoweldge here. Based on the interest and love on God one will follow it.
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« Reply #1582 on: January 07, 2011, 07:01:32 AM »

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அன்பும் அறனும் உடைத்தாயின் இல்வாழ்க்கை பண்பும் பயனும் அது.
(If love and virtue in the household reign, This is of life the perfect grace and gain.)

Thirukkural 45

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Vanakkam!

Jetavan;

Your tricks will not work with God who is all knowing. You cannot fool God who
is the genius among genius. God compete with your family when He comes in
human form. Your theoretical devotion will not allow GOd competing with your
family, since your love on GOd is very little and your love on family is very very huge.

Unless you break all the worldly bonds including family bonds, you can never
ever have single bond with God. A God who is alive in human form alone can
 compete with your family bonds.


If love and virtue in the household reign, This is of life
 the perfect grace and gain


Your above quoted sentence is quite sounding very well to the ears,
But you will find the reality only when you analyse the concept.
One thing we should remember, we should not bring down the sky
To our level since we are standing on the ground and since
We are unable to fly to the height of the sky, let us agree the truth.

It is true that the sky is the goal and it is true that we are on the ground.
This will make us to start our journey, one day or the other you will reach sky.
You have to be in the constant effort, God will give you many human rebirths
Till you reach the goal, but one condition, you should not stop at any stage.
When you are doing the duty it is love expressed in action, it is proven love.

It is far greater than the love through words and through mind and therefore
Your love is ninety nine percent on your children and one percent on Lord.
The Lord is not at all equal even to your children and just you have thrown
One paisa [one cent] on the face of the Lord treating Him as a beggar for your love.
At the same time you are posing that all your love is on the Lord.

It is just the reverse in practice and everything is only the mind and words.
The proven love consists of sacrifice of five items to the Lord.
The first three items are by the ex-pression of love through words, mind, and brain.
Through words people sing devotional songs and the emotional devotion flows
Through the mind, through the brain scholars discuss the nature of the Lord.

These three constitute the theoretical phase, which has a value of one paisa [one cent] only.
It is just like sacrificing drinking water supplied by the municipality freely.
Similarly these three are already supplied to you by the Lord freely without any
Effort or strain by you.

The fantastic fun is that people sacrifice these three items to the Lord and
Ask some practical fruit for the sacrifice of these three theoretical items!
The other two items are practical and their value is ninety-nine paise[99 cent].
Those two items are sacrifice of work and sacrifice of fruit of work
In this sacrifice of these two items only lies the entire real sacrifice.
This alone is the proven love, don’t argue that this is impossible for you.
You are doing the sacrifice of these two items sincerely to your children.
Therefore you are having real proven love on your children only.

The sacrifice of the first three items is not done in the case of your children.
That means the sacrifice of these first three items is false dramatic love.
The word duty which you just uttered constitutes the last two items only,
Which are the sacrifice of work and sacrifice of fruit of work.

Therefore what is the meaning of your statement that resulted finally?
You will sacrifice the false love to the Lord and the real love to your children.
You designate the false love as the real whole love which is dedication of mind.
Now you say that you have dedicated all your mind to the Lord only!
Fantastic! And you say that you are simply doing duty to your children!

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« Reply #1583 on: January 07, 2011, 07:08:11 AM »

Are you the only current incarnation?  Or are there multiple incarnations in some generations?
Incarnation is identified from His divine knowledge. That you yourself has to do, by analysing the divine knowledge preached by the God in human form.
Well, exactly.  Thus far, your preaching seems to fall well short of divine.

Most of the ordinary devotees of this world, cannot even understand the value of divine knowledge and God. They mostly approach GOd only for their selfish desires only. For such people only, Jesus told the divine knowledge in parables so that they will not understand anything. If they are really interested in God and His divine knowledge then they will wait and stay back and will ask the inner meaning of the parables. But Jesus know that their love on God is not much and they are not really interested in God or His knowledge, but to see miracles and get cure etc. There for such undeserving devotees, Jesus gave the knowledge in parables so that they will not understand anything. It is due to their lesser interest in God only.


Likewise majority of the people do not have any real interest on God or His divine knoweldge. It has become their just hobby to simply discuss about God when really they are totally ignorant and have little love on God. Hence no wonder when God comes in human form, these people can never understand either the knowledge or that God comes in human form in every generation also!!!
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« Reply #1584 on: January 08, 2011, 03:13:59 AM »

You're still not God, dattaspammi, no matter how many cut 'n paste paragraphs you throw out.

It is very esay for a christain to say that Jesus is God, it is also easy to say for a Hindu that Krishna is God. Both are theory. You may say million times that Jesus is my God and i love Him. Which is also theory. It is very easy to accept past human incarnations as God, since they are not infront of you in human form now, hence your love to them is only theoretical and not real love which is not proved in practice. If you see those poor disciples of God, they were real devotees since they accepted God in human form who appeared infront of them in flesh called Jesus. Millions of devotees believe in past human incarnations like Jesus, Krishna, Rama etc, but their love to them is not proved, all their love is limited to words and minds only.

Their real colour will be revealed when present human incarnation is presented in front of them with the divine knowledge.

The understand the value of present human incarnation, and the divine knoweldge also. Whoever value the present human incarnation has the real value for God.

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« Reply #1585 on: January 08, 2011, 03:18:11 AM »

It is very easy to accept past human incarnations as God, since they are not infront of you in human form now, hence your love to them is only theoretical and not real love which is not proved in practice.
Actually, Christ gave some very clear metrics about how to measure Christian love -- how to prove it in practice.  You're unaware of this?
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« Reply #1586 on: January 08, 2011, 03:20:14 AM »

You're still not God, dattaspammi, no matter how many cut 'n paste paragraphs you throw out.

Human incarnation will never compel you to worship Him. He will tell you to love others as yourself, so that you will conquer you jealosy and egoism towards co-humman beings. If you try loving others as yourself for a long time then when God in human form comes also you will accept Him. So for you the preaching is love others as yourself and conquer the jealosy and egoism towards others ... This is the medicine for you to start with...
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« Reply #1587 on: January 08, 2011, 03:23:07 AM »

It is very easy to accept past human incarnations as God, since they are not infront of you in human form now, hence your love to them is only theoretical and not real love which is not proved in practice.
Actually, Christ gave some very clear metrics about how to measure Christian love -- how to prove it in practice.  You're unaware of this?
Jesus showed the example by Himself by washing the feets of His dearest devotees and told them to do like this to others. This was a good teaching, by which one will consider others as them selves and when one mature in such service for a long time then one will conquer jealosy and egoism towards other human being and when he is succeful in that, he will accept God in human form also when He appear infront of them in human form..

SO, what you have to do now is to love others as your self and conquer your jealosy and egoism towards other human beings practically. When you mature in this for a long time pratically then you will automatically accept God in human form when He comes to you for preaching the divine knoweldge.
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« Reply #1588 on: January 08, 2011, 03:37:57 AM »

It is very easy to accept past human incarnations as God, since they are not infront of you in human form now, hence your love to them is only theoretical and not real love which is not proved in practice.
Actually, Christ gave some very clear metrics about how to measure Christian love -- how to prove it in practice.  You're unaware of this?

When you have seen human incarnation, you have seen God
Actual form of God is immaterial if you have high value for God


You need not worry that the actual form of God is beyond your imagination. This point is immaterial. The grace of God is important. When you prove that your bond with God is single and highest, you are blessed by God forever. The knowledge of actual form of God is un-necessary in this context. You have seen the king (God in human form) and got full favor from the king. When you have seen the king, it does not mean that you have seen the whole body of the king in naked condition (the absolute unimaginable God). When you have seen him, you have only seen his face, palms and feet. All the body is covered by cloths and jewels and only very little portion of his body is opened to you. Similarly, when you have seen the human incarnation, you have seen God. When you have understood the existence of un-imaginable God through human incarnation, it means you have understood the aspect of existence, which is a little portion of God.
You may get favor from a Muslim queen, who is completely covered by a black mask from top to bottom. She is like the totally un-imaginable God. How does it matter? Will you worry that you are unable to see even a tiny hair on her head? You have understood that the queen exists in the black mask. The realization of the existence of queen before you is sufficient to express your gratefulness and devotion to the queen.

 People are unnecessarily worrying on unnecessary points of God like the knowledge of actual form of God etc. You are not worried about the actual necessary points like proving your highest devotion on God etc. Generally, if you are incapable of concentrating on the necessary point, you will be engaged on the unnecessary points to cover your incapability. The point is not about imaginable form or unimaginable form of God. The point is whether you can prove practically that God is highest for you or not?

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« Reply #1589 on: January 08, 2011, 11:26:19 AM »

I haven't seen any Muslim kings or queens, much less bowed down to them.

And you're still NOT   GOD, DATTASPAMMI!
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« Reply #1590 on: January 09, 2011, 12:05:13 AM »

I haven't seen any Muslim kings or queens, much less bowed down to them.

And you're still NOT   GOD, DATTASPAMMI!
There are levels in devotees. Ordinary devotees beleive in God for their personal selfish desires. For such people divine knowledge is not useful, because they have not much love on God or His knowledge. They not even understand the knowledge when presented. Such people cannot be immediately uplifted due to their strong ignorance. Such people should be taught with loving others like themselves, so that their ego and jealosy to other human beings will come down if practiced this over a period of time. When selfishness disappers and when ego and jealosy towards co-human being is lowered down, then only such people can develop real love on God.

Therefore loving others like yourself is the first medicine for you to begin the spiritual journey towards God. Higher knowledge cannot be taught to you since you will not even understand it.....

The path towards God is very narrow in which you have conquer your:

Selfishness
Ego & Jealosy

and bond with other things of the world other than God


Lot of spiritual effort is needed for this. Unless you put effort and improve your love on God, it not possible to please God at all...

Therefore you should not discouraged by all the difficulties, if you are sincere in your effort one day or the other God will show HIs grace on you, provided if you reall try hard enough to please Him..
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« Reply #1591 on: January 09, 2011, 02:12:23 AM »

Very lovely but you are still NOT   GOD!
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Very lovely but you are still NOT   GOD!

There are three types of people. The first type of people are ordinary human beings who do not start the spiritual journey. They are strongly attracted by this world and these attractions are the qualities accumulated from millions of births in the soul. Such people are called as Ayukta (Ayuktah Kamakarena Phalesaktah—Gita).

The second type of people are called as yogis who practice Yoga and who have not yet completed the training in Yoga. They cannot sacrifice their fruit of the work to the Lord. They can sacrifice the work, devotion by mind, discussions with intelligence and any work with senses of their body like singing songs etc (Kayena Manasa Buddhya—Gita).

The third type of people are called as Yuktas, which means the people who have finished the training in Yoga. Such people sacrifice the fruit of work also along with the above (Yuktah Karmaphalam—Gita). The aspects to be achieved by Yoga are the equal reaction to all types of incidents and the reaction must be only peaceful undisturbed balance of mind (Sarvatra Samadarsanah, Prasanta Manasam—Gita).

Another aspect is not to think of any worldly matter in leisure time. Such thinking will lead to loss of energy (Nakinchidapi Chintayet—Gita). Another aspect is to realise the achievement of grace of God as the highest profit in the life (Yamlabdhva Naparam—Gita). Another aspect of Yoga is to maintain constant mind even if a mountain of misery falls on you (Na Duhkhe na Gurunapi—Gita). Another aspect of Yoga is not to have even a single worldly desire in mind (Nisspruhah Sarvaakamebhyah—Gita). Another aspect of Yoga is to control the worldly activities to the possible minimum level because if God’s grace is there, any worldly affair will succeed even with minimum effort (Yuktacheshtasya—Gita).
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« Reply #1593 on: January 09, 2011, 06:47:28 AM »

The second type of people are called as yogis who practice Yoga and who have not yet completed the training in Yoga. They cannot sacrifice their fruit of the work to the Lord. They can sacrifice the work, devotion by mind, discussions with intelligence and any work with senses of their body like singing songs etc (Kayena Manasa Buddhya—Gita).

I can't really imagine Yogi Berra doing yoga, but hey, you can never tell with that guy!

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« Reply #1594 on: January 09, 2011, 07:37:11 AM »

The second type of people are called as yogis who practice Yoga and who have not yet completed the training in Yoga. They cannot sacrifice their fruit of the work to the Lord. They can sacrifice the work, devotion by mind, discussions with intelligence and any work with senses of their body like singing songs etc (Kayena Manasa Buddhya—Gita).

I can't really imagine Yogi Berra doing yoga, but hey, you can never tell with that guy!



The people who are treated as great devotees and scholars by their sacrifice of words and feelings and by their dramatic dress of devotion, in the eyes of world stand in the first position but such people are pushed to the last position by the Lord. The people who do not express their love in words and mind and do not expose themselves with dramatic dress of devotion and those who sacrifice practically stand in the last position in the eyes of the world. But the Lord will push such people to the first position. A gravel stone covered by a glittering paper and a diamond covered by the dust are given first and last positions by the world. But the Lord reverses these positions.
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« Reply #1595 on: January 09, 2011, 07:43:54 AM »

Very lovely but you are still NOT   GOD!



There are five types of people in this world dealt by God. The first type people have real love towards God and sacrifice practically to God. The Lord rewards them with infinite and real fruit. The second type of people sacrifice practically but want to achieve ten times more. Such people are businessmen. They invest little and aspire for more profit. The Lord returns back whatever such people sacrificed. The Lord also gives the extra expected by them but that extra is from their account only.

The good result of a good deed to be enjoyed in the future birth is drawn back with reduced value and is given as the extra, which was aspired by the people. All this process takes place without the knowledge of the people. The third type of the people sacrifice words by prayers and feelings throw devotion without any practical sacrifice. Such people are in the path of a prostitute who also sacrifices sweet words and sweet feelings to extract something practically from a person. The Lord fulfills their aspiration by drawing the good result of their good deal from their future birth. The fourth type of people are atheists.

They enjoying the world created by the Lord and abuse the Lord. The Lord will keep silent towards them in this world. The Lord uses the atheists to test His devotees. He will observe whether such atheists can affect His devotee. Later on the atheist will be severely punished by the Lord. The fifth type of people neither recognizes nor abuses the Lord. They simply enjoy the world without bothering about the Lord. The Lord will throw such people into the births of animals, birds, worms etc. In such births one can enjoy the world without worrying about the Lord.http://www.esnips.com/doc/0db8a6ba-102a-4380-9230-7b6e8345291e/divine-knowledge
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The fifth type of people neither recognizes nor abuses the Lord. They simply enjoy the world without bothering about the Lord. The Lord will throw such people into the births of animals, birds, worms etc. In such births one can enjoy the world without worrying about the Lord.

I am this type of person, I think. Could you arrange it so that I come back as a house cat? Except for the food that seems like a sweet gig.
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« Reply #1597 on: January 09, 2011, 11:09:05 AM »

There are three types of people.
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There are five types of people in this world dealt by God.
And the ninth type are the ones who don't understand one-digit math?
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« Reply #1598 on: January 09, 2011, 12:42:08 PM »

Just remember, the answer is always "42". Smiley
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The fifth type of people neither recognizes nor abuses the Lord. They simply enjoy the world without bothering about the Lord. The Lord will throw such people into the births of animals, birds, worms etc. In such births one can enjoy the world without worrying about the Lord.

I am this type of person, I think. Could you arrange it so that I come back as a house cat? Except for the food that seems like a sweet gig.

 God is loving every soul and is helping every soul in this world.  He never hates any soul.  The punishment in the hell is also to reduce madness of materialism of the soul.  Suppose, one son becomes mad, the father will take him to the doctor and admits him in the mental hospital where shock treatments are given.  Can you say that the father is angry with the son?  Similarly, the hell is for the last sort of trial to transform the soul.  The madness is never cured and the son has to be retained in the hospital only forever.



 Same is the concept of the permanent hell. These souls cannot be brought into this world because they will bring Chaos in this world, just like the mad son cannot be brought out of the hospital into the society.  Some souls are born as birds, animals etc.,  Here also only the love of God reflects.  As a human being the soul was always interested in eating, drinking and sex only.  The soul never turned to God.  In such case there is no use of the intelligence of the human category, which is meant for analysis of truth.  Therefore, the soul is placed in the cycle of animals, which are also happy like the human beings in eating, drinking and sex only.  The human being may think that he may loose his beautiful wife and may have to live with a she-buffalo if he is born as he-buffalo.  But the point is that when the soul is born as he-buffalo, the she-buffalo is as beautiful as the present ‘Miss world’!.

  The grass will be as tasty as the sweet dish in the meals today.  The soul cannot estimate the happiness of the animal while remaining in the human body.  The same happiness is received by the souls in all types of bodies from eating, drinking and sex.
  What ever he desired, that is given to him by God without any disturbance.  In the human life the spiritual knowledge is often disturbing him in achieving the continuous happiness from eating, drinking and sex.  Therefore, God favored the soul by such animal-birth and this is not punishing the soul. 

This means God is helping even His enemies.  A father will never harm his issue even if it opposes him.  He wants always the happiness of the child continuously.  The devoted souls want to be with God and derive the divine bliss constantly.  God provides opportunity for such devotees also to make them happy constantly by guiding them in achieving the real and highest devotion to Him.  Therefore, you can see the same love of God on a devoted soul staying in His abode as an angel and also on a he-buffalo enjoying with the she-buffalo in a mud pond.  Both are continuously happy in their own fields!  At last God provided what ever the child desired.  Of course He tried to convert the soul in the he-buffalo into an angel.  When He failed in all His efforts, He has sanctioned the firm desire of the soul.  Therefore, God helped all the souls, whether those loved Him or not. http://www.esnips.com/doc/0db8a6ba-102a-4380-9230-7b6e8345291e/divine-knowledge

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« Reply #1600 on: January 09, 2011, 01:11:32 PM »

There are three types of people.
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There are five types of people in this world dealt by God.
And the ninth type are the ones who don't understand one-digit math?
Do not bother that you are unable to practice the highest truth today itself. Atleast accept the truth in theory. That first step is sufficient. One day or other, either in this life, or in some future life (human life is assured for any one who tries constantly) you will succeed. If you accept theoretically, you have put your foot on the first step of right path. Journey and achievement of goal are inevitable. It is only a matter of time. But if you deny the truth even theoretically, you are in the wrong path. You want immediate fruit and so you want to lower the goal. You want to sleep at 8 PM and want to become IAS officer.

 You want 40 marks as pass! You think that you can get the 40 marks and pass. But My dear friend! If you keep 40 marks as goal, you will get five or ten marks only! Actually 100 is distinction and 40 is a pass mark. But we have kept it as secret and say 100 marks is the pass, so that you will achieve 40 certainly while trying for 100. This is called as “Arthavada” (which means a statement created for a purpose) in the Veda. It means a spiritual secret like the business secret.

 When you get five marks only and feel discouraged by seeing at 100 mark goal, then, in your case, to encourage you, we shall say that 40 marks is the pass-goal. Therefore, Acharyas know to close and open the secrecy of truth according to the condition of the student. In some context truth has to be opened and in some other context, truth has to be covered. This brought the difference in the preaching of the human incarnations, which was based on the difference in the stages of different people, they faced in their times. If you realize this practical problem you can easily realize that there is only one God in all the divine human incarnations.http://www.esnips.com/doc/0db8a6ba-102a-4380-9230-7b6e8345291e/divine-knowledge
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« Reply #1601 on: January 09, 2011, 02:20:52 PM »

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The human being may think that he may loose his beautiful wife and may have to live with a she-buffalo if he is born as he-buffalo.  But the point is that when the soul is born as he-buffalo, the she-buffalo is as beautiful as the present ‘Miss world’!
ROFLMAO...you are screwing with us now right? I am still laughing. Man, so absurd, I almost like it.
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« Reply #1602 on: January 09, 2011, 09:51:21 PM »

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The human being may think that he may loose his beautiful wife and may have to live with a she-buffalo if he is born as he-buffalo.  But the point is that when the soul is born as he-buffalo, the she-buffalo is as beautiful as the present ‘Miss world’!
ROFLMAO...you are screwing with us now right? I am still laughing. Man, so absurd, I almost like it.

Understand the concept what I have told carefully because what I said is
That one becomes that form which he liked the most, liking leads to service.

If one liked the human form, he may serve all the human beings as an atheist,
There is no element of God in his social service and he is also born as
The human being only but he will be in the lowest cadre of the human beings.
The person who served all the human beings as the various forms of God
Will be born in a better cadre in this humanity only present on this earth.

Some other person serves all the human beings as the representative models of
God only and not directly as God is born in a still better cadre in this humanity.
All these three types of people are born as human beings on this earth only.
And they can never cross the earth because all these three types of people could
Not conquer their egoism and jealousy, the lowest cadre have very high egoism
And jealousy and therefore they are called as demons, the second better cadre
Has lesser egoism and jealousy whereas the third still better cadre has least
Egoism and jealousy and they are the middle layer called as human beings.

The highest cadre in the humanity consists of people who have completely
Conquered their jealousy and egoism and therefore recognised the Lord
Who came in a human body called as human incarnation on this earth.

These highest devotees are called as angels and will cross the earth
To get the upper worlds according to the intensity present in their services.
The highest devotee with highest intensity in the services shall go to Brahmaloka.
For the lowest cadre atheists, there is no trace of possibility to cross this earth.
These atheists are interested in the service of humanity only and no element of God
Exists in these people, they get the human rebirth for some time only because
The Lord tries again and again to transform the atheists also into devotees.
When there is no trace of hope of transformation, these atheists shall be thrown
Into the permanent hell here as well as there in the form of animals because
Animals are serving the humanity without any sense of devotion to God.
It is highly rare that a human being can recognise the human incarnation,
Because of the general jealousy and egoism causing repulsion of likes.

Hanuman took the birth of monkey and worshipped the human incarnation.
But Arjuna as a human being could not realise Krishna completely.
The only human being that completely recognised the human incarnation,
The only exception is Radha who is made Queen of highest Goloka.
Worship of inert statues with a sense of representative model worship
Is welcome for the beginners because every monkey is not Hanuman.


Lord Shiva came in the form of one monkey only called as Hanuman.
Since Hanuman is not available, one can worship a monkey as a model
Representing Hanuman but he should not consider that monkey as Hanuman.
Human birth really means the human being who has the rarest opportunity
To serve the human incarnation and reach His highest eternal abode.

Otherwise other human beings who cannot cross the earth can be treated as
Human beings externally but they are birds and animals internally.
With reference to such highest rarest human birth only, it is said
That there is no human rebirth as we can observe in other religions.

There is only one opportunity to meet the human incarnation and understand
That human incarnation as the Lord, Jambavan did not recognise Rama
But he recognised the Lord in human form when he fought with Krishna,
Since he could not recognise Rama he invited Him for a fight and his desire
Was fulfilled by Krishna, then only he recognised Krishna as Lord.
Once you recognised the human incarnation as Lord and still neglect
No further chance will be given to you in future to have human rebirth.http://www.esnips.com/doc/0db8a6ba-102a-4380-9230-7b6e8345291e/divine-knowledge

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« Reply #1603 on: January 09, 2011, 11:59:07 PM »

"Daddy, when I grow up I want to be Miss She-Buffalo!"
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"Daddy, when I grow up I want to be Miss She-Buffalo!"

God always see the happiness of His children. If the souls want to enjoy all the time doing eating, sleeping and sex only without any thought of God then God allow them to enter into animal kingdom so that they can do all these activities for all the time without the thought of God. See the impartial attitude of God!


My dear theistgal, love to God that is what desirable always. There are two paths of love on God. The path of limited real love on wife and the path of unlimited real love on children. The first path is aspiring boons from God for selfish happiness, which involves mostly theoretical and little practical devotion.

In this first path, one loves his wife for selfish happiness only and most of his love is emotional (Theoretical) with little practical sacrifice. The second path is selfless love without any aspiration of fruit in return and consists of mostly practical and little theoretical devotion. In this second path, one loves his child without any selfishness and a total sacrifice of work and fruit of work. Hanuman and Gopikas are the best Gold Medal-students of the University.

Once you are fixed in the divine service of God, there is no need of miracles, knowledge and theoretical devotion. The knowledge is the qualifying degree and the theoretical devotion is official appointment order. The practical devotion is the work done in the month and salary (fruit) is given to the monthly work only. Only work (Karma) can yield the fruit.
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« Reply #1605 on: January 10, 2011, 01:29:26 AM »

This is just so sad - no sense of humor at all. Sad
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« Reply #1606 on: January 10, 2011, 01:44:12 AM »

This is just so sad - no sense of humor at all. Sad

True.  Embarrassed You'd think something would have gotten through by now...
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« Reply #1607 on: January 10, 2011, 02:40:52 AM »

This is just so sad - no sense of humor at all. Sad


You must come out of Pravrutti (only path of obeying justice not practical service to Lord) as early as possible and enter Nivrutti (Practical loving service to Lord).

 You think that you will come to Nivrutti after settling your children. But, your children are never settled virtually because they are again unsettled due to their children. Hence, your children are never settled since their children are unsettled in your lifetime. Thus, the chain is endless and you have to break the endless chain at some point or the other.

Today people are not breaking this endless chain even on the deathbed. A fellow in Karnataka died and his last word was ‘Kasabari’. The word means the broomstick to be used to sweep the dust on the floor. A donkey was trying to bite it. He warned his son to remove that and save it from the donkey. You know, that soul was born in the next birth as a sweeper on the roads with broomstick in hands. A pickle soaked in the jar for a long time in salt and acidic fluid, cannot give the sweet taste if you put it in sugar solution. Therefore, it is better to turn towards Nivrutti (Loving practical sacrifice to Lord in Human form present in this generation) as early as possible.
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« Reply #1608 on: January 10, 2011, 10:52:06 AM »

The second type of people are called as yogis who practice Yoga and who have not yet completed the training in Yoga. They cannot sacrifice their fruit of the work to the Lord. They can sacrifice the work, devotion by mind, discussions with intelligence and any work with senses of their body like singing songs etc (Kayena Manasa Buddhya—Gita).

I can't really imagine Yogi Berra doing yoga, but hey, you can never tell with that guy!



Actually, I think that the Yogi, Berra that is, offers us some useful life guidance and it is a heck of a lot easier to plow through than this thread: ( courtesy of http://www.innocentenglish.com/celebrity-bloopers-news-quotes/funny-quotes-yogi.html)
 
 
" 'Yogi-isms'

If you don’t know where you’re going, chances are you will end up somewhere else.

It’s deja-vu all over again.

You should always go to other people’s funerals. Otherwise they won’t come to yours.

If the world were perfect, it wouldn’t be.

If you can’t imitate him, don’t copy him.

If you don’t set goals, you can’t regret not reaching them.

The future ain’t what it used to be.

If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

I wish I had an answer to that, because I’m tired of answering that question.

It ain’t over till it’s over.

Steve McQueen looks good in this movie. He must have made it before he died.

It was hard to have a conversation with anyone – there were too many people talking.

You can observe a lot just by watching.

You’ve got to be very careful if you don’t know where you’re going, because you might not get there.

Once, Yogi’s wife Carmen asked, “Yogi, you are from St. Louis, we live in New Jersey, and you played ball in New York. If you go before I do, where would you like me to have you buried?” To this, Yogi replied, “Surprise me.” "


Much more to the point, IMHO.


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« Reply #1609 on: January 10, 2011, 11:38:31 AM »

Hey this may have come up previously, I am by no means going to read 30+ pages to find out, BUT, Datta has a bunch of YouTube videos. I found them by accident, and his voice is just the way you would imagine it to be. Seriously. Just search Dattaswami and you'll find them.
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« Reply #1610 on: January 10, 2011, 03:23:49 PM »

Atleast accept the truth in theory.
Elsewhere you rail against theoretical spirituality.  Now you praise it?  Seems inconsistent, that.  Can you tell me where I'm wrong?
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« Reply #1611 on: January 10, 2011, 03:32:47 PM »

Hey this may have come up previously, I am by no means going to read 30+ pages to find out, BUT, Datta has a bunch of YouTube videos. I found them by accident, and his voice is just the way you would imagine it to be. Seriously. Just search Dattaswami and you'll find them.
Wait a minute.  Please tell us you didn't actually type "dattaswami" into a search engine, see the results, click one, and then actually watched a video!!!

Why!!???  For the love of all creation, man, WHY!!!!?Huh

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« Reply #1612 on: January 10, 2011, 05:47:02 PM »

Ha no I didn't intend to find the videos at all. I like to watch comparative religious videos on YouTube, and unfortunately, Venu's videos showed up. If watch thirty seconds of each one you'll realize that it is just the same video everytime with different audio. Real original, just like his posts...
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« Reply #1613 on: January 10, 2011, 11:06:46 PM »

How do they compare with the videos made by the Tucson gunman?  I saw some of his work - looked pretty loony.   Is datta in the same category?
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Ha no I didn't intend to find the videos at all. I like to watch comparative religious videos on YouTube, and unfortunately, Venu's videos showed up. If watch thirty seconds of each one you'll realize that it is just the same video everytime with different audio. Real original, just like his posts...
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http://www.youtube.com/user/Dattaswami?gl=US&hl=hi#p/u/34/PGt1OOL5RKk

http://in.youtube.com/user/Dattaswami

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Atleast accept the truth in theory.
Elsewhere you rail against theoretical spirituality.  Now you praise it?  Seems inconsistent, that.  Can you tell me where I'm wrong?
As a first step if one cannot practice the divine knoweldge of the present human incarnation, atleast one can theoretically understand the divine knowledge preached by Him by reading it and clearing the doubts, and eventually may be in future one can really practice it in his or her life. Therefore to start with reading the divine knowledge is the first step and clearing the doubts also forms the first step....
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« Reply #1616 on: January 11, 2011, 04:07:02 PM »

"Daddy, when I grow up I want to be Miss She-Buffalo!"

Would that be with our without Buffalo Wings?
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« Reply #1617 on: January 11, 2011, 04:29:48 PM »

Actually, after watching one of datta's YouTube videos, I've lost my appetite.

Seriously - that's scary stuff.
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« Reply #1618 on: January 11, 2011, 04:37:21 PM »

Actually, after watching one of datta's YouTube videos, I've lost my appetite.

Seriously - that's scary stuff.

I thought the three headed photoshop was pretty funny, though.  Cheesy
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« Reply #1619 on: January 11, 2011, 05:10:48 PM »

Dattaswami, maybe you should autotune your sermons. Everything sounds better autotuned.
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