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« Reply #1260 on: December 07, 2010, 08:14:50 AM »

This means that the awareness, which is wish, means a work only and not a working element.
And don't I now realize it!  And there's the whole redisturbantism mess, and all that stuff about antiviscosinance.  My, if we only knew how much we don't know.

Knowledge is verbal noun.  The entity or actual noun doing the work of knowing can be inert only, since the work of knowing always requires a different worker, which can be inert only.
   The process of knowing or knowledge is only a work and itself can never be an entity.  Work needs an entity as worker or working element, which must be other than the work of knowing.  Then, the worker here can be inert only and not knowledge.  Since, work is knowledge and worker cannot be also knowledge, worker must be inert.  Work needs a different entity as working element or worker. 
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« Reply #1261 on: December 07, 2010, 08:17:10 AM »

This means that the awareness, which is wish, means a work only and not a working element.
And don't I now realize it!  And there's the whole redisturbantism mess, and all that stuff about antiviscosinance.  My, if we only knew how much we don't know.

Awareness is the work of inert energy in the nervous system. It is like the dance of a dancer in a trained specific style. The dancer is the inert energy and the dance is awareness. The specific style is the nervous system. The current is inert energy. The grinding machine with a specific design is the nervous system. The grinding work is the awareness. Therefore the inert energy working in a specific style in the nervous system, designed in such a specific style, is the awareness. Hence, awareness is a specific form of inert energy only.

The inert energy functioning in the respiratory system does a special work of respiration. The inert energy functioning in the digestive system does a specific work of digestion. Awareness is nothing but inert energy, but awareness differs from the inert energy due to the specific style introduced by the nervous system.

In the deep sleep, this specific style of work is totally absent and hence only the inert energy remains. The experience of this inert energy during the deep sleep is impossible due to the absence of the specific style of work or awareness. Pure awareness is nothing but the first moment after deep sleep, which can be almost treated as the awareness of self during the deep sleep.
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« Reply #1262 on: December 07, 2010, 08:58:52 AM »

It is like the dance of a dancer in a trained specific style.
Spot on, friend.  Spot on.
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« Reply #1263 on: December 08, 2010, 02:58:09 AM »


The venerable monk Father Lazarus Moore speaking on Hinduism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9ewsBQ22JU

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« Reply #1264 on: December 16, 2010, 02:35:18 AM »


Importance of wealth in this world and its use in God's mission- A wonderful divine knowledge- A must read!


God created money or wealth, which is the most wonderful item in this entire creation because all the worldly bonds are condensed in it. It is the essence of all the bonds in this world. Directly, it has no importance, but, indirectly it has highest importance since it covers all the needs of your life of yourself and your kith & kin. You can purchase even the food by which you can maintain the life. Therefore, it is the basis of all the basic needs and other needs of the life. In nutshell, it can be said as the essence of the entire creation. It is said to be the root of the entire tree of world (dhanamoola midam jagat). If the root is cut the entire tree will fall.

The tree indicates the world and its branches indicate various bonds of the world. The main stem indicates your bond with your body and your life. Thus, it is the most wonderful item of the creation of God in which the entire creation is condensed. Shri chakra means the whirlpool of money in which the entire world is revolving. Shri yantra means the money, which controls the entire world. Without realizing this real significance, ignorant people are worshipping blindly the metallic plates on which the shri chakra or shri yantra is drawn.

 If the concept is not realized, everything is blind deep darkness only. Even if the significance is realized, people reject it because they do not like the inconvenience of the concept. Therefore, Veda says that the sacrifice of money or wealth alone is sufficient for the complete salvation (dhanena tyagenaikena...). Salvation means liberation from worldly bonds. Saktuprastha sacrificed the little food obtained in drought after long starvation for several days. That littlie food was equal to the infinite gold mountain for him and his family members in that situation. The family members including himself will die if that little food was not eaten. In such situation, the Lord came as beggar and Saktuprastha sacrificed the entire food. That little food was treasure of infinite wealth for him and his family members at that time.

The food was earned by him with lot of effort and work, which was the process of begging. Therefore, that food was the fruit of his work and the sacrifice of that food was the sacrifice of the fruit of his entire work (sarvakarmaphalatyagam... Gita). By the sacrifice of that infinite treasure of wealth, he proved that he is beyond the bonds of family and also beyond the bond to himself. If that food is sacrificed, not only his family members but also he will die. The bond to himself(atmeshana), the bond to his life(praneshana), the bond to his body(deheshana), the bond to his wife(dareshana), the bond to his children(putreshana) are condensed in that food or wealth. Therefore, if the bond with money is entirely cut, all the bonds with the world including yourself are automatically cut. If the root is cut, the falling tree is cut. Each bond need not be tested separately. The one bond with the money is sufficient for the test. If money is sacrificed partially, the bonds are partially cut. If the money is sacrificed completely, all the bonds are completely cut, which is the total salvation.

Lord Krishna started testing Gopikas in his childhood itself by stealing their wealth, which was milk, curd and butter only. By selling these items, their livelihood was earned. It is the fruit of their hard work (karma phala) because they do hard work in serving the cows. The butter is the essence of their wealth. They do not have other forms of currency as we have today. All their currency was only milk, curd and butter, which were stored in the pots. Those pots were their banks. The Lord straightly attacked their wealth, which was their basic livelihood. Most of the Gopikas were angry with the Lord. Their anger was reinforced because the Lord is having sufficient milk, curd and butter in His house. You can tolerate if a poor man steals in your house. But, if a person richer than yourself by many times steals in your house, your anger will touch the climax. Only a few Gopikas were happy about the theft of the Lord in their houses. Only such Gopikas passed the test and were blessed by the Lord. They loved the Lord more than their lives and hence, they were not angry when their livelihood was stolen. In fact, this point was proved further by their jump into fire on hearing the end of the Lord.

The bond with money and wealth is responsible for your success in not only the spiritual path (nivrutti), but also in your worldly path (pravrutti). Your desire for money beyond the needs of yourself and your family members is responsible for the entire sin that leads to hell. Today, the society is facing chaos due to this unnecessary extra desire for wealth only. The balance of the society is disturbed only by this reason. Even the rulers of the government are running after the unnecessary accumulation of wealth only.

 These people are not fearing for sin and hell at all. Therefore, if your bond with wealth is under control, which means that your desire for wealth is limited to the basic needs of your yourself and your family members only, you are successful in pravrutti and you will be rewarded with the trip to heaven for some time. If your desire for wealth is completely destroyed as in the case of Saktuprastha, you will be successful in nivrutti. Therefore, for both pravrutti and nivrutti, this wealth is important item and this is signified by the importance of Shri Chakra.
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« Reply #1265 on: December 16, 2010, 02:41:36 AM »


Importance of wealth in this world and its use in God's mission- A wonderful divine knowledge- A must read!


God created money or wealth, which is the most wonderful item in this entire creation

Ah. Yet another point where Hinduism and Christianity are diametrically opposed.
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« Reply #1266 on: December 16, 2010, 02:58:23 AM »


Importance of wealth in this world and its use in God's mission- A wonderful divine knowledge- A must read!


God created money or wealth, which is the most wonderful item in this entire creation

Ah. Yet another point where Hinduism and Christianity are diametrically opposed.

You have not shown enough patience to read the entire divine knoweldge, by reading first line alone how can you conclude like this which is not the real conclusion!. Have patience in analysing the divine knowledge. Patience always yeild good results. Partial reading of knoweldge will not benefit any body.....
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« Reply #1267 on: December 16, 2010, 02:59:45 AM »


Importance of wealth in this world and its use in God's mission- A wonderful divine knowledge- A must read!


God created money or wealth, which is the most wonderful item in this entire creation

Ah. Yet another point where Hinduism and Christianity are diametrically opposed.

You have not show enough patience to read the entire divine knoweldge,

Yes, I do. I read according to the lectionary, and I've been reading Acts and Matthew as well.

by reading first line alone how can you conclude like this which is not the real conclusion!. Have patience in analysing the divine knowledge. Patience always yeild good results. Partial reading of knoweldge will not benefit any body.....

You posts here are most decidedly NOT "divine knowledge".
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« Reply #1268 on: December 16, 2010, 03:03:03 AM »


Importance of wealth in this world and its use in God's mission- A wonderful divine knowledge- A must read!


God created money or wealth, which is the most wonderful item in this entire creation

Ah. Yet another point where Hinduism and Christianity are diametrically opposed.

Money is so powerful and all your worldly bonds revolves around it. Your attachment to money shows your attachment to world and realtions. If you sacrifice your money to God, then it shows that you have highest value for God and lowest value for world. Hence donation of money to GOD's missions proves your real love on God. All your relatives are clinged to you due to your money. If you do not posses any money they will leave you! Thus money is the essence of all the worldly attachment and if you can sacrifice your money for God in human forms mission then you have proved that your love to God is the highest over anything in the world!
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« Reply #1269 on: December 16, 2010, 03:06:58 AM »


Importance of wealth in this world and its use in God's mission- A wonderful divine knowledge- A must read!


God created money or wealth, which is the most wonderful item in this entire creation

Ah. Yet another point where Hinduism and Christianity are diametrically opposed.

Money is so powerful and all your worldly bonds revolves around it. Your attachment to money shows your attachment to world and realtions. If you sacrifice your money to God, then it shows that you have highest value for God and lowest value for world. Hence donation of money to GOD's missions proves your real love on God. All your relatives are clinged to you due to your money. If you do not posses any money they will leave you! Thus money is the essence of all the worldly attachment and if you can sacrifice your money for God in human forms mission then you have proved that your love to God is the highest over anything in the world!


Is this some sort of reverse prosperity gospel? In any event, its ridiculous. Have you ever heard of this concept called "martyrdom"?
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« Reply #1270 on: December 16, 2010, 03:07:35 AM »

How to use your hard earned money properly and please God- An eye opening divine knowledge

Earning the wealth is a great act. Saving the earned wealth by controlling unnecessary expenditure is greater act. Proper utilization of the saved wealth is greatest act. You can get the grace of God through proper utilization of the saved wealth in His name. When you spend your money in the name of God, God is pleased. But, you should spend it properly with sharp analysis. If the wealth is wasted or spent for un-deserving persons, God becomes furious. Therefore, expenditure or donation of money can bring the grace or anger of God and it is like a double edged knife. Therefore, controlling the expenditure in un-necessary ways and also resisting the expenditure on un-deserving persons results in pacifying the anger of God. The un-necessary expenditure and expenditure on un-deserving persons result in sin and you will be punished in the hell. Therefore, your expenditure should be based on sharp analysis since your expenditure may result in the pleasure of God as well as in the anger of God. Veda says the same [Samvidaa deyam], which means that you should donate after analyzing through proper knowledge.

 You think that wasting money yields neither sin nor good fruit and the result is only zero. This is totally wrong. Your expenditure will never yield zero and it either yields good fruit or sin. Hence, you should be very careful in the expenditure or donation. A farmer gave milk to a serpent, which is shivering in snow. After gaining sufficient heat from the nearby fire created by the farmer and after gaining sufficient energy through the milk, the serpent bit the farmer and went away. The serpent killed some more people outside also due to the gained energy. For that act, the farmer was punished in the hell also. The farmer was not only punished on the earth, but was also punished in the upper world after death. Such is the severe result of donation to un-deserving people.

The human race is the blessed category of the creation since the human being alone has the faculty of devotion to God. You must save the life of every human being if it is in need. Even if the human being is an atheist, you must save the life since the atheist has a chance of becoming a devotee in future. Therefore, donation of food is said to be greatest since it is the basis of life. But, you should donate it to the deserving people only. 'Deserving' means any human being suffering for food. The human being must work and earn the food without begging as far as possible. Otherwise, people become lazy without doing work. Hence, while donating the food to a person capable of doing work, you should analyze the background carefully. Generally, poor children, poor old persons, poor disabled and poor patients can be accepted as deserving receivers of your donated food. A rich person should be always avoided as far as possible leaving rare emergent occasions. Do not have any analysis in the occasions of emergency demanding immediate service. Such donation is called as 'Apat-dharma'.

You are either wasting most of your wealth or donating it to the un-deserving people. You are under the illusion that you are pleasing God. You do not know that God is becoming more and more furious with you. You are wasting ghee and other materials by burning them in fire during rituals. The word 'fire' is misunderstood as the physical fire created by burning the wood. Such physical fire is only called as 'Yajnasadhanam', which means that it is the instrumental item used in the sacrifice since it is used in cooking the food.

The hunger of a deserving person is the divine fire called as 'Vaishwanara agni', which is to be worshipped by supplying the food associated with ghee [Aham vaishwanaro bhutvaa..Geeta]. The hunger of a deserving person is the deity-fire, which is divine since it should be worshipped by surrendering food to eat. Feeding a hungry deserving person is the worship of fire-deity. The fire is in three forms: [1] Physical fire prepared by wood [Bhautikaagni or Laukikaagni], [2] fire in the form of electrical energy [Vaidyutaagni] and [3] hunger-fire of a deserving person, which is divine called as deity-fire [Vaishwanaraagni or Devataagni] . While cooking the food, the first and second forms must be used and while worshipping, the third form should be selected. You should select the form of fire as per the context and then only you are the scholar of Veda. Veda means knowledge. You should do every step of the ritual with analytical knowledge [Jnaatvaa kurvita..Geeta]. Sage Yaska says that if you do the ritual without the knowledge, you will not get the fruit and it will be like cooking the food without fire [Anagnauviva..]. The fire given in the simile by Yaska itself is misunderstood! The first hymn of the first Veda says that the fire is the deserving priest and not the physical fire [Agnimele purohitam].

 Kapila in Bhagavatam says that fools only burn ghee and food in the fire. The word ghee indicates the best food prepared with ghee and not mere ghee. You have to understand this meaning through the concept of 'lakshana'. When you call the seller of apples by calling "Oh apples! Come", by 'lakshana', you mean the possessor of apples to come along with the apples and not mere apples. Similarly, the word 'ghee' means the food associated with the ghee. Both the words 'agni' and 'ghee' are totally misunderstood by the foolish ignorant priests, who are burning the ghee in physical fire. They mislead the devotees by saying that the angels eat the food through the fire [Agnimukhaah..Veda]. Here, the Vedic statement means that the angels eat the food through the hungry deserving priests. Veda says that all the angels reside in the body of the priest, who is the scholar of the correct Vedic knowledge [Yaavatirvai..].

The priests are exploiting the weakness of the devotees, which is the desire to fulfill their ambitions through rituals. The ignorant priest is doing all this foolish act to earn some money from the devotees. The devotee, instead of getting the good fruit is punished in the hell for burning the ghee and other materials in the physical fire. The priest is also severely punished in the hell and since he is the initiator of this sin, he is punished with poverty also in this life itself. The essence of all Vedic rituals in only to save the life of humanity suffering with hunger. The entire aim is misinterpreted and is mislead leading the devotees to hell. Lord Krishna asked the wives of sages to give food to his friends suffering with hunger even before the ritual thereby establishing the actual aim of the ritual, which is only to feed the hungry people.

You are donating money to the temple after getting some benefit from God through a business-contract. The devotee says that if he gets 1 lakh rupees, he will donate 10 percent to God. Such business-contract is the worst way of love to God. You are giving your wealth to your children without such business- contract. God is not having even the value of your children! However, when you donate something to the temple, they are giving the food to all the devotees as the remains of offering to God [Prasadam]. Even the rich devotees, who are not in need of food also are forced to eat it due to fear. Therefore, your donation is not properly utilized.

Let the capable rich devotees make their own arrangements for their food. The management of the temple should give food to beggars and poor deserving persons only. If there is extra money, let it be used in serving the poor people and beggars in other ways. It is also good to spend the money in propagation of devotion through several programs. Thus there is no proper utilization of your donation. The government is grabbing some of the funds of the temple for social service. Everybody knows the misuse of funds in every social work. Let the government spend the taxes and other revenues only in such social works. The temple funds must be spent by the wise management of temple only in proper ways mentioned as above.

Who is the really deserving person? Veda says that the person not expecting anything from anybody is the most deserving receiver of your donation [Akaamahatasya]. The deserving person must have full faith in God and should believe that God will give him all the required needs of the life. He should work and earn and if something is needed beyond the scope of the work, God is going to help him in the correct moment. He need not beg other human beings, who are beggars themselves, praying God to fulfill their desires. A beggar should not beg another beggar and should go to the house, which donated food to the other beggar. Similarly, you should approach God and not the other human beings for your needs, which are not covered by your work. In fact, a true devotee should not beg even God because God is omniscient and will act at the right time.

 Therefore, if one is expecting something from you, he is not a deserving person since his faith in God is not complete. If you take the example of Kuchela [Sudama], he never begged any person and did not beg even God. He was forced by his wife to beg Lord Krishna. He went to Lord Krishna but did not ask anything since he knows that Lord is omniscient. He stayed in the house of Krishna for a few days and returned back to his home. Krishna did not give a single rupee even though He observed the extreme condition of poverty of Kuchela. If you are in the place of Kuchela, you will certainly scold Krishna at least in your mind during your return journey. Kuchela did not entertain even a trace of such idea in his mind at any time. The omniscient Lord Krishna was constantly observing the mind of Kuchela during his return journey. The Lord was extremely pleased since no such idea could enter the mind of Kuchela. Therefore, the Lord gave immense wealth to Kuchela. The only donation done by Krishna in His entire life was this only. The Lord was waiting for such a deserving person.

 You compare yourself with Krishna. You do donations in hasty way without patience to catch a deserving receiver. You go to Varanasi  on the day of Maha Shivaratri and you are in hurry to return back by next day. You think that your donation in a particular place at a particular time only becomes fruitful. You are captured by such false illusion and donate to an un-deserving person in that place on that day. The place [desha] and the time [kaala] can never influence your donation. Only the deservingness of the receiver decides the fruit of your donation. Krishna did not donate wealth to Kuchela at Varanasi on Maha Shivaratri. When the most deserving Kuchela was found, that place is Varanasi and that day is Maha Shivaratri. Krishna spent almost the entire life to search for a deserving receiver. You do not have patience to search a deserving receiver for your petty donation. Instead of purchasing sin by your petty donations on such foolish occasions, you better accumulate all those petty donations and donate the entire accumulated wealth when you find a real deserving receiver. You will get very high fruit for such accumulated donation.

 Instead of this, you are purchasing the sin in bits only through your petty donations on such foolish occasions in specified places. The deservingness of receiver [paatra] alone decides the result of your donation and there is no trace of influence of place [desha] and time[kaala] on the result. You must not do donation with emotion. Several beggars exploit you by kindling your emotion through false appearance by creating sympathy in your heart. You can find a beggar limping during the process of donation in the railway compartment. As soon as he gets down from that compartment, he walks straightly and more fast than yourself! He gets into the next compartment and starts again limping! Therefore, you should have patience and analysis to study the deservingness of receiver and you should not be fooled at any cost.

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« Reply #1271 on: December 16, 2010, 03:10:34 AM »


Importance of wealth in this world and its use in God's mission- A wonderful divine knowledge- A must read!


God created money or wealth, which is the most wonderful item in this entire creation

Ah. Yet another point where Hinduism and Christianity are diametrically opposed.

Money is so powerful and all your worldly bonds revolves around it. Your attachment to money shows your attachment to world and realtions. If you sacrifice your money to God, then it shows that you have highest value for God and lowest value for world. Hence donation of money to GOD's missions proves your real love on God. All your relatives are clinged to you due to your money. If you do not posses any money they will leave you! Thus money is the essence of all the worldly attachment and if you can sacrifice your money for God in human forms mission then you have proved that your love to God is the highest over anything in the world!


Is this some sort of reverse prosperity gospel? In any event, its ridiculous. Have you ever heard of this concept called "martyrdom"?

Money is powerful in this world. All your bonds are based on money. If you do not posses money even your body cannot be maintained. Thus money is the root cause of all your bonds. All your relatives are bonded to you due to money. If you do not posses money then they will leave you then and there itself! This shows that money is so power ful. If you donate such money to God then it proves that your bond with God is more than your bond with money and hence with your relatives and other things of this world...

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« Reply #1272 on: December 16, 2010, 03:16:01 AM »

All your bonds are based on money.

Lie.

All your relatives are bonded to you due to money.

Lie.

If you do not posses money then they will leave you then and there itself!

Lie. Look, I am sorry you apparently have a poor relationship with your family, but this projection of yours and attack on my own family is extremely rude and inappropriate on this forum. Keep your speculations to yourself, they are very unwelcome.
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« Reply #1273 on: December 16, 2010, 04:11:59 AM »

All your bonds are based on money.

Lie.

All your relatives are bonded to you due to money.

Lie.

If you do not posses money then they will leave you then and there itself!

Lie. Look, I am sorry you apparently have a poor relationship with your family, but this projection of yours and attack on my own family is extremely rude and inappropriate on this forum. Keep your speculations to yourself, they are very unwelcome.

Here, the term 'you' is not you, it is a generic statement.

Luke—14:26 to 27

“If any one comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple’’.

You are giving your earnings to your family only and so your real love is on your family only. There is no need of any further argument on this point because it is very clear proof. This is the real fire test for your love. You are sacrificing valueless words and valueless mind in leisure to God, which is valueless time. This cannot prove the real value of God. You must give real value to God. You are finishing your prayers and meditation on God as soon as the time to go to job is nearing. Similarly when some work for the family is approaching, you are immediately leaving the presence of God. Therefore you are not giving any value to God for all practical purpose. But you are telling lies in your prayers that God is everything for you. The money is the final test and it can be the only test also since all the family is associated with you for money only and the family serves you in your old age for your money only. If the money is sacrificed to God your real color of love can be seen.

Today, in the world everybody agrees that the real power is the money only. Money is the fruit of work and Bhagavatgita calls sacrifice of money “Karma Phala Tyaga”. In Bhagavatgita it is said “Dhyanat Karma Phala Tyagah” which means that devotion is greater than Knowledge and sacrifice of the fruit of the work (money) is greater than the devotion. Knowledge consists of intelligence and words. Devotion consists of mind and words. Sacrifice consists of heart and love. The proof of the love is the practical service, which is the practical sacrifice of work or money. For the propagation of the divine knowledge and devotion the money is needed to publish the gospel in the form of books. When you sacrifice your money for the divine work your treasure in the heaven is built up. This means that God will help you after your death and you will enter the kingdom of God.
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« Reply #1274 on: December 16, 2010, 04:13:47 AM »

All your bonds are based on money.

Lie.


Holy Jesus says that when you donate the money to God by one hand the other hand should not know about that donation. Since it is stolen money it should be returned secretly. A father purchased some sweets and gave to his child. The father is asking for one sweet from the child just to test the attitude and the love of the child on him. Even if you are not returning back the God’s money to God, you are leaving that money here only and you are quitting this world with vacant hands. That extra money is left in this world only, which is the bank of the God. The devotee who donates the extra money to God for His divine work is also quitting this world alone with vacant hands.

The former is going to Hell as a thief but the latter is going to the Kingdom of God because he returned the stolen money of God. When you are returning this extra money, you must be very careful to see that this money reaches God only and not others. God dwells in two places 1) In the body of human incarnation (Son of God) 2) In the heart of a real devotee. When the money is donated to such God man or the real devotee, that money is properly used to uplift the humanity. In such social service the God-man or the real devotee will use lot of discrimination due to their divine knowledge and the money donated by you will be properly spent.
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« Reply #1275 on: December 16, 2010, 04:14:57 AM »

All your relatives are bonded to you due to money.

Lie.

Without the practical sacrifice of money or atleast the work, mere prayers, love and meditation are only the side pickles in the plate without the central bread or rice. When God eats the pickles only which you serve, His stomach is burnt with high acidity and God becomes furious. Due to His anger the extra money stored by you goes waste through diseases etc., Your children may loose that money also and they are also not blessed in any way in their lives.

This gospel of Holy Jesus should open the eye of knowledge of all the Hindus to learn the practical sacrifice from foreigners. Holy Jesus referred to such people who do not give up their extra money for God’s work saying that they can never reach God even if a camel passes through the eye of a needle. His Gospel refers to such selfish rich people only who are caught up in the net of their limited families.
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« Reply #1276 on: December 16, 2010, 04:15:15 AM »

my dear dattaswammi. You need to close your mouth about my family and what I do with my earnings. This has become too absurd even for you.
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« Reply #1277 on: December 16, 2010, 04:27:36 AM »

my dear dattaswammi. You need to close your mouth about my family and what I do with my earnings. This has become too absurd even for you.

You are again mistaking, you shall take the divine knowledge in a generic way  and implement the portions which you feel like lacking in your case. If you feel other wise that means you have already overcome such attachments and have attained perfection and devotion to God.

So, take the essence of the knowledge apply in your life which you feel to be implemented....
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« Reply #1278 on: December 16, 2010, 09:59:35 AM »

Laconic- don't waste your time.
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« Reply #1279 on: December 16, 2010, 11:20:03 AM »

Holy rebirth, Batman!  This thread lives again!
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« Reply #1280 on: December 16, 2010, 04:47:13 PM »

Anyone seen that Simpson's treehouse of horror where the town ignored the murderous logos, and the logos perished? If you want this thread to end, IGNORE IT!!! Everyone stop replying to his posts.
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« Reply #1281 on: December 17, 2010, 03:21:49 AM »

Anyone seen that Simpson's treehouse of horror where the town ignored the murderous logos, and the logos perished? If you want this thread to end, IGNORE IT!!! Everyone stop replying to his posts.

Jesus disussed the divine knowledge with HIs devotees. He told, when in His name 2 or 3 persons come together and discuss divine knowledge I will be very much pleased and will present there in the form of divine knowledge. God is knowledge, only through discussion and analysis of divine knowledge one will come to the truth. Rigidity and fanatism and conservatism are stumbling block for divine knowledge discussion. God likes world peace to prevail through universal friendship of all religions since there is only one God. This task is to be realised. This will be achieved first by realising that God is unimaginable and He appeared in human form in different places and different time to preach the same divine knowledge according to the standard of people then existing. This concept will remove all the splits and realisation of single unimaginable God.

There is only one God. God always remains unimaginable so that no body will claim that he has known God fully! If somebody knows something fully, then negligence develops on the thing which he had known fully. If some body knows God fully then the importance of God will vanish since he boasts that he knows everything about GOD and diginity or importance and care for GOD vanishes. Hence God keep Himself unimaginable to any body.

The entry of God into Human incarnation is also in an unimaginable way. God is unimaginable and Son of God is imaginable. The unimaginable God enters into the imaginable Son of GOd in an UNIMAGINABLE way. For understanding purpose we use examples of the world like, entry of current into a wire or entry of water into a sponge etc etc. But this is only for our understanding purpose only. God is unimaginable and one can never use worldly logic in His case, hence His entry into Son of God is also in an unimaginable way only.

There is a great need and necessity for God to be available to us in human form for the right direction in spiritual path. Without direction no body can advance towards God, for this reason God who is the aim, Himself adopts a human body by coming in human form and preaches knowledge which is impartial. When such knowledge is presented, running way without proper discussion on it is an irresponsible behaviour. Hence it is solicited that, let us discuss the divine knowledge of God in this forum.

We are wasting lot of time in other activities, why dont us use little time in discussing the most important aspect-The divine knowledge.

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« Reply #1282 on: December 17, 2010, 03:27:06 AM »

Holy rebirth, Batman!  This thread lives again!
Elite people like you should be first introduced with knowledge of God, because people like you are first enlightened then it is very easy to impart knowledge to other ignorant people by your effort. There is only one God. Some say Him as only A, B or C. God is unimaginable and He is only one and comes to this world in human form at various times to preach the knowledge. People stick to past human forms, A, B or C etc. They say that A is the only God, B is the only God, C is the only God etc etc. God is impartial and He comes in every generation. His knowledge is the divine knowledge. Rigidity and conservatism will be blown out only by hearing this divine knowledge, this ultimately leads to world peace and unity of religions.
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« Reply #1283 on: December 17, 2010, 04:46:12 AM »

God is impartial and He comes in every generation.
Who was God in Napoleon's generation? Just curious.
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« Reply #1284 on: December 17, 2010, 04:49:17 AM »


We are wasting lot of time in other activities, why dont us use little time in discussing the most important aspect-The divine knowledge.[/color]


No one can acquire the divine knowledge no matter how hard we try.
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« Reply #1285 on: December 17, 2010, 04:50:10 AM »

Holy rebirth, Batman!  This thread lives again!

I think it's fair to say it has been officially re-incarnated... Wink
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We are wasting lot of time in other activities, why dont us use little time in discussing the most important aspect-The divine knowledge.[/color]


No one can acquire the divine knowledge no matter how hard we try.

God Himself is the divine knowledge, such God comes in human form and He is called God in Flesh, and He is the knowledge Himself. He is the source of divine knowledge and you can listen the knowledge from Him directly here on this very earth, by which you will aquire divine knowledge by hearing it from the present human form of God. But hearing alone is not sufficient. Practical application of the divine knowledge alone will please God.

For example the entire divine knowledge can be condensed as follows

1. God is the present human incarnation

2. Can you give highest value for present human incarnation over anything and everything in this world?

3. Practical sacrifice to God in human form alone can please God

4. Present Human incarnation is the correct place of God.

5. Identity mark of human incarnation is His divine knowledge which removes all our doubts in spiritual topics
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« Reply #1287 on: December 17, 2010, 09:10:50 AM »

Holy rebirth, Batman!  This thread lives again!

I think it's fair to say it has been officially re-incarnated... Wink

God is unimaginable and impartial. God cannot  be seen. But God can be seen by seeing the 'Human incarnation'. This is because God is present in the Human incarnation all the time. God has entered the 'Son of God' and the combination of SOn of God and God is called 'Human incarnation'. Establishing peace in this universe by establishing the fundamental truth of oneness of God is His mission. For this mission, He preaches divine knowledge. God alone knows about Himself. Hence He can alone do this serious job of preaching about Himself. There fore He comes down to do this hectic task....

You listen His divine knowledge and clarify all your doubts from Him here now....itself
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« Reply #1288 on: December 17, 2010, 09:14:42 AM »

God is impartial and He comes in every generation.
Who was God in Napoleon's generation? Just curious.

God may reveal or may not reveal when He comes to this world. IN either case, God in human form is identified only from His divine knowledge. Before the coming of Jesus, St. John the Baptist came. Some disciple approached Him and thought that He is the human incarnation. Then St. John the Baptist told i am only a messenger of God (water) and the God Himself will come and preach you divine knoweldge (fire). Thus Human incarnation is identified from His divine knowledge not from outer look or appearence.

What is the use of knowing the existence of past human incarnations? They are not with us now. In place of them, present alive human incarnation is there. Only present human form of God can talk to us and clear all our doubts... Present human incarnation is the authority in this world from which we can learn the divine knowledge.....
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« Reply #1289 on: December 17, 2010, 09:19:55 AM »

Laconic- don't waste your time.

No body will waste time by listening divine knoweldge. In fact he will gain something, by hearing divine knowledge. One will not gain anything in this world in view of God, by possessing material things. One cannot take anything from this world, when one die. Death teaches us that, all relations, wealth fame etc will not help one when death attack you. When you die no body will help you other than God. Your relatives or dear and near cannot protect you. Only God can protect you. But if God has to protect you then you should have worked for God's mission. Devotion on God is developed PRACTICALLY only by listening divine knowledge from Present Human form of GOD. When you listen divine knowledge alive from God in human form and when you clear all your doubts then your love on God increases and your determination to serve God increases. Thus divine knowledge take you towards God not away from God, in such case how it is wate of time!!!
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We are wasting lot of time in other activities, why dont us use little time in discussing the most important aspect-The divine knowledge.[/color]


No one can acquire the divine knowledge no matter how hard we try.

Divine knowledge is in human incarnation. That is why when Jesus came He told, many many saints, kings etc wanted to listen this divine knowledge but they could not, because they could not identify God in human form of their time. Now, since you are devoted to God you are seeing God in human form directly and listening Him directly. Hence you are (the disciples of Jesus) lucky.

Thus human incarnation is the source of divine knowledge. Getting divine knowledge from Him is the greatest fortune in this world. Now you are all in this forum is given a golden opportunity to read His divine knowledge. I am saying you, it is very very difficult to come across God in human form, but due to His grace God is talking to you in this forum, hence make use of this opportunity and clarify all your spiritual doubts from Him.....
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« Reply #1291 on: December 17, 2010, 09:27:13 AM »

God is impartial and He comes in every generation.
Who was God in Napoleon's generation? Just curious.
What is the use of knowing the existence of past human incarnations?
I could think of several reasons.  Determining the veracity of your claim, for example.  So who do you think was the incarnation of God in Napoleon's generation?
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« Reply #1292 on: December 18, 2010, 11:31:49 PM »

True & excellent spiritual knowledge-idenity of God in human form

Recognition of contemporary human incarnation is the most crucial point since we can worship God directly through contemporary human incarnation only.  The recognition is to be done by examining various messages of divine knowledge rendered by the spiritual preachers and through the true and excellent spiritual knowledge only, you have to recognize the contemporary human incarnation.

 If you want to give gold medal to the top most meritorious student in the class, you have to examine the answer scripts written by all the students of the class and depending on the highest marks, you have to select the gold medalist.  Similarly, you have to examine the messages of all the preachers and then recognize the incarnation through the merit of the message.  You should not fix some student as the gold medalist in the beginning itself and then allot highest marks to his answer script.   Today, people are doing exactly the same mistake.  They enquire and examine the preacher through various other aspects and decide some preacher as the incarnation and then treat his knowledge as the true knowledge. 

Veda says that true (Satyam Jnanam) and excellent (Prajnanam) spiritual knowledge alone is the real identification of God.  Therefore, you have to examine the knowledge first and not the preacher. 
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« Reply #1293 on: December 18, 2010, 11:32:06 PM »

True & excellent spiritual knowledge is the deciding factor

While you are examining the answer scripts of the students, you are unaware of any student.  You are giving highest marks simply based on the merit of the answer without knowing the student of that script.  You are not aware of the personal merits and personal defects of the student while giving the highest marks to a particular script.  You are not judging the student by his character and conduct.   The knowledge of the student alone is relevant basis for giving the gold medal.  Similarly, the true and excellent spiritual knowledge alone is the deciding factor for identifying God in human form of the present generation because you are going to get the right direction in your spiritual journey through the true knowledge only.
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« Reply #1294 on: December 18, 2010, 11:32:23 PM »

Knowledge alone is the factor not other aspects

 The examination of Gita   gives the identification of God.  You are concerned only about Gita since it gives the right direction for your spiritual uplift.  Based on this only, you should conclude that the Author of Gita must be God.  You are not concerned about the merits and defects of the Author of Gita, which are not relevant to your spiritual progress.  He might have stolen butter or might have danced with girls since those factors are not going to help you in any way in your spiritual journey.  The advice given by Him to you alone is relevant to you.  There may be so many unknown reasons for His behavior about which, your capacity is not sufficient to analyze.  Such unnecessary analysis is unnecessary for your spiritual journey.  What you require is only the correct advice about the correct spiritual path. 

Therefore, you have to recognize God in human form through such correct advice which is called as true spiritual knowledge.  After recognition, you should not analyze the other aspects of God.  After giving highest marks to the answer script, you should give the gold medal to the writer.  You should not stop the gold medal since the student is smoking. 

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« Reply #1295 on: December 18, 2010, 11:32:39 PM »

The Preacher of the true knowledge is God

You have read the Bible and concluded that the Speaker of the Bible should be God.  The Author of the Bible might have taken the wine of grapes or might have taken the non-vegetarian dish.  You may search for the reasons of such specific behavior of the incarnation.  But your faith on Him as God should not be disturbed if you have not got the answer in your analysis.  You may find out the reason for the smoking of gold medalist.  But you should not keep the gold medal in suspension till you find out the reason.  Whether you find out the reason or not the gold medalist is a gold medalist. Therefore, it is the climax of the foolishness of the ignorance to decide some person as God first and then believe his knowledge as the true knowledge.  You have to impartially examine the knowledge of various preachers and the best selected knowledge must lead you to its author as God. 

Such God  may belong to your caste or not, may belong to your religion or not, may belong to your nation or not since God is always universal and His preaching is also universal since He is the creator of the entire humanity.  Gita also says that the Preacher of the true knowledge is God (Jnanitvaatmaiva….).  This means that the merit of the knowledge alone should be the deciding factor in recognizing God. 
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The present alive human form of God is most relevant

Fruits of devotion are given by the contemporary human incarnation only


 Datta means God available for souls. He is available in the human form with materialized body since human beings are with materialized bodies. The same God is available in energetic body to angels and to the departed souls from the earth, since both angels and the departed souls are in the energetic bodies. The angels are the souls in permanent energetic bodies, whereas the departed souls exist in the energetic bodies till they take the re-birth. The present alive human form of God is most relevant to the present alive human generation. Therefore, energetic form of God and also the past human form of God are irrelevant to the present human beings. Hence, the fruits of devotion are given by the contemporary human incarnation only to any present alive human being. Before giving the fruit, you will be tested in two aspects.

a.   The first aspect is the importance you give to God above all your present bonds, which are mainly with your wealth (Dhaneshana), your wife or husband (Dareshana) and with your children (Putreshana). Another main bond is also regarding your attachment to your body and life (Deheshana and Praneshana). The first aspect deals with the position you give to God beyond all these five bonds.
b.   The second aspect is about your recognition of contemporary human incarnation of God through analysis.

The first aspect is called as Devotion (Bhakti Yoga) and the second aspect is called as Knowledge (Jnana Yoga). Of course, each of these two aspects always pervades the other aspect. The basis of establishment and development of Devotion is analysis or Knowledge. Similarly, the result of analysis or knowledge is always establishment and development of devotion. Both Devotion and Knowledge are essential for your success in the examination conducted by Datta or contemporary human incarnation. Without examination, the fruit cannot be given. You cannot get the certificate of the degree without the final written examination. Devotion and Knowledge are essential requirements for the test conducted by Datta as paper and pen are essential requirements for the written examination.
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« Reply #1297 on: December 18, 2010, 11:33:16 PM »

All your family bonds are dramatic only
Bond with God is permanent & real &, should be given the top most position.



The analysis to fix and develop devotion should be done. All your family bonds are only dramatic bonds, which are unreal as seen in a cinema shooting. The bond with your wealth is also unreal like the bond of the actor with the material of settings in the shooting. The bond with your body is also unreal, which is the bond of the actor with his dress of the role. The Gita says that as the body changes the dress, the soul also changes the body (Vasamsi Jirnani…). The bond with your life is also unreal like the bond of the actor with his role. When the bonds of the actor with the dress and role are unreal, we cannot imagine the extent of unreality of the bonds existing between the roles in the drama.

Ashtavakra mentioned the same point in his preaching to king Janaka. He established this point through a very sarcastic remark. He said that the bond between mother and his son in this life is going to be the bond between husband and wife during the next birth. If this point is not explained properly, the audience will throw stones on the speaker! This can be explained through a beautiful simile. In one drama two actors acted like mother and son. In the next drama the same actors acted in the roles of husband and wife. The actors are neither husband and wife nor son and mother in reality. Even the gender is unreal as it is related to the external dress only. A male actor can act in the female role and vice versa. The soul is the actor, which is the pure awareness and it is untouched by the body, gender and the relationships with other roles. Shankara also told that that which is temporary must be unreal (Yadanityam tat krutakam…). Since all these bonds are confined to this birth only, become temporary and hence, unreal. Therefore, all these bonds are unreal except the bond with God.

 Even though the bonds with own role, other roles, settings and dress are unreal, the bond of the actor with the Producer and Director is always permanent and real. The drama may change, but the Producer and the Director is only one. The relationship between the actor and him is employee–employer relationship. Similarly, the bond with God is permanent and real and therefore, should be given the top most position.
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« Reply #1298 on: December 18, 2010, 11:33:35 PM »

Your bond with contemporary human incarnation must be the top most

The bond with irrelevant energetic incarnations & past human incarnations become meaningless

All the souls are servants of God and God is always the Master of souls (Aatmeshwaram… Veda). Since the relevant God is the contemporary human incarnation, the bond with the contemporary human incarnation must be the top most. Hanuman and Gopikas maintained top most bonds with their contemporary human incarnations viz. Rama and Krishna only. The top most bond with irrelevant energetic incarnations and past human incarnations become meaningless.

The photos and statues represent these energetic incarnations and past human incarnations and therefore, the bonds with such photos and statues are not only meaningless but also foolish. Of course, if the human being has not reached the stage of maturity to have bond with contemporary human form of God, the bond with photos, statues, energetic forms and past human forms should be respected, which serves the purpose of development of theoretical devotion to God. Such theoretical devotion on ripening becomes practical devotion to the contemporary human incarnation. You should always remember that the practical devotion to the contemporary human incarnation alone gives the divine fruit, which is clearly seen in Hanuman and Gopikas.
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« Reply #1299 on: December 18, 2010, 11:33:56 PM »

Only path to recognize present human form of God
is the merit of His knowledge

Recognize the contemporary human incarnation through analysis


There are two aspects:
1.   Importance you give to God above all your present bonds
2.   Recognition of contemporary human incarnation

When the first aspect is fully achieved, the second aspect becomes necessary. The second aspect is recognition of contemporary human incarnation. This second aspect becomes important since you are ready with the first aspect i.e., you are ready to do practical devotion or service to the contemporary human incarnation. The only path to recognize the present human form of God is the merit of His knowledge.

 You have to analyze the preachings of various preachers and select the best. For such selection, you require the faculty of sharp analysis in deciding the true knowledge. The examiner must have sharp analysis to recognize the correct answer while evaluating the scripts. In this aspect only, the analysis will help you.

 Let us take the example of the lady, who is blessed to have God as son, the mother of Sripada Vallabha. The ritual of ancestors was going on in her house. A saint entered the house through the back door and asked for food. Unless the priests of the ceremony finish their meals, nobody should eat before they eat. The scripture says that it is a great sin to give food to anyone before the priests eat. She analyzed the saint and recognized Him as the human form of God. The saint is always a top scholar and knows that prior eating in such ceremony is a sin. In fact, not only the donor of the food but also the receiver of the food will get the punishment for such sin. The saint can go to other house and can get the same food in which such ceremony is not performed. When the choice of serving the purpose without sin is available, will any fool opt the other choice? She did all this analysis and decided that the saint is God.

 She served the food to the saint and the saint appeared as God. God gave her the boon of becoming her son. Therefore, she recognized the contemporary human incarnation through analysis only. If the analysis is not done, you will be exploited by several false human incarnations. Since this aspect is of pure analysis, this aspect can be treated as Jnana Yoga. Giving top most priority to God is Bhakthi Yoga and recognizing the alive human form of God is Jnana Yoga. Both are essential for your success when Datta tests you.
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« Reply #1300 on: December 18, 2010, 11:34:18 PM »

Creation of bad in this world
The bad is created for the sake of the souls only.


People often get the doubt about the creation of bad in this world apart from good. Let us come to the original point. Again, another doubt comes that the creation of bad directly or indirectly spoils the souls and hence, it is objectionable. This objection is also ruled out because the process of examination of the souls is essential for giving the divine fruit. Unless the attraction to bad exists, there is no meaning of examination. The teacher always advises the students to concentrate on studies without going to cinema. Those who concentrated on studies resisting that attraction are rewarded. You cannot say that all the cinema theaters in the city should be destroyed so that the disturbance of concentration can be avoided. The theatre exists in the city to give entertainment to the retired public. Therefore, the aspect of the entertainment of the retired public cannot contradict the aspect of concentration of students on studies. You should not bring the retired public and the students on one line.

 Similarly, you should not bring God and souls on one line. Moreover, unless the theatre exists, there is no meaning in the aspect of concentration on studies resisting the side attractions. If the side attraction is absent, where is the concept of concentration and where is the concept of examination? Such situation leads to meaningless dormant inactivity and lack of spirit of competition, which again bores the students themselves. Then, the students themselves will raise objection. Hence, the bad is created for the sake of the souls only.

 God derives the entertainment from both good and bad and such entertainment is not wrong since bad is not created primarily for the sake of such entertainment only. The entertainment is only secondary since the creation of bad was not done at all for His entertainment. You need not object such entertainment of God when it is not the primary purpose. You cannot say that the founder of a college is responsible for the suicide of a student on failing in the examination. You say that if the founder has not established the college, this incident should not have happened and therefore, the founder is criminal and should be punished!
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« Reply #1301 on: December 18, 2010, 11:34:40 PM »

Real & permanent transformation of mind can only cancel sins
Both right knowledge & your effort are necessary to achieve the goal


The sin, which is the source of all sufferings, cannot be cancelled through any extent of devotion and any extent of dearness and nearness to God. No way is competent to cancel the sin except one path. Such only one path is real and permanent transformation of the mind. Such transformation will avoid the doing of sin in future. Since the punishment given for the sin done in the past also aims at this transformation only, there is no meaning of punishing the soul further for the past sins after the transformation. Hence, the permanent and real transformation of the soul cancels all the past sins and the future possibility of doing any sin more. There is no other way than this because such unique way is the will of God.

If God cancels all your past sins, it means that you are really and permanently transformed and that you will never do sin in the future. Such permanent and real transformation of the soul can be achieved only by getting the true knowledge, which is the starting step of the correct treatment. After getting the true knowledge, you will try to travel in the right path and now your effort gains importance. Gradually, you will succeed in getting the real and permanent transformation through the right knowledge associated with your subsequent effort to implement the right knowledge in practice. Both right knowledge and your effort are necessary to achieve the goal.
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« Reply #1302 on: December 18, 2010, 11:35:02 PM »

Purpose of God coming down in the human form
God come down in the human form to give  the original interpretation of scriptures


You must get the correct information to reach Delhi. The correct information will show you the right path to reach the goal. Here, the purpose of knowledge is over. From this point onwards, your effort is required. You may have the correct knowledge of the path, but unless you put the effort to walk, the goal is not reached. The true knowledge is given by the scripture. But, unfortunately wrong interpretations of the scripture exist in this world. Therefore, the correct interpretation with powerful explanation of the scripture is required. The correct interpretation is only known to the Author of the Scripture. Therefore, God, the Author of the Scripture, should come down in the human form as Preacher to give the original interpretation and clarify all your doubts to convince you with powerful and correct logic.

 If God comes in any form other than human form, the preaching is not possible. Of course, God can preach you even in the form of a statue through His omnipotence. But, if that is done, you will be excited with tension and will not be able to receive the interpretation and will not be able to express your doubts in cool atmosphere. For this purpose only, God comes down in the human form as a Preacher so that you will treat Him as your co-human being and express your doubts freely to get correct clarification. Hence, [there is] the importance of contemporary human incarnation.
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« Reply #1303 on: December 18, 2010, 11:35:30 PM »

The soul in human incarnation is rewarded or punished for its good & bad deeds
The human incarnation is a two component system
The soul in the human incarnation is near most and dearest to God
The human being should give value to both ends and means




To establish that you will be punished for your sins and your nearness and dearness to God cannot save you from this punishment, even the soul existing in the human incarnation is punished for its sins. No soul can be more near and dear to God than the soul existing in human incarnation. The human incarnation is a two component system of God and soul, appearing in a single phase called as the human being. It is like a copper metal appearing as copper metal only but having a trace of invisible gold in it. It appears as a single phase (pure copper) only even though it is a two component system (copper and gold). The activity of soul-component is rewarded by the God-component if the activity is good. If the activity of the soul-component is bad, God-component will punish it, even though the soul component is very near and dear. The soul is pervaded by God and hence, is near most to God. The soul is selected by God for the human incarnation since the soul is very dear to God through its excellent devotion. Therefore, the soul in the human incarnation is near most and dearest to God.

 Even then, such near most and dearest soul is rewarded or punished according to its good and bad deeds respectively and there is no trace of extra consideration in the case of even such soul. Parashurama is a human incarnation consisting of both soul and God. The soul exhibited ego and jealousy towards another human incarnation called as Rama due to its predominant qualities of Rajas and Tamas. Then, the God-component existing in Rama and Parashurama, which is only one, punished the soul-component called as Parashurama. The soul in Rama is very humble due to its predominant quality of Sattvam and hence, was rewarded with continuous victory and unparallel fame. Even in the incarnation of Rama, the soul-component did a mistake. Due to over anxiety in the search of His lost wife, the soul-component killed Vali by hiding behind a tree. Rama gave very long explanation to support His action. Even though killing Vali is a justified end, the means are not justified. Rama acted as a perfect human being. The human being should give value to both ends and means. This means the means justify ends. Otherwise, there is a danger of achieving the wrong end easily through false means and justify later on both the ends and means through intellectual interpretation.


 If a check is put on both ends and means, the human being will have sufficient patience to do the impartial analysis. Therefore, Rama was punished in the next birth for this sin, where Vali born as hunter, shot Him to death. If you take the human incarnation called as Krishna, He used false means like telling a lie to kill Drona to achieve justified ends in the war. Krishna always exhibited the aspect of God-component. God is omniscient and will never justify false ends. Therefore, in the case of Krishna, the false means supported by justified ends become justified means and hence, there is no sin. Krishna, being rich, stole butter from the houses of poor Gopikas. He also danced with them secretly in the mid nights. These activities look like sins, but if you analyze the background, they are not sins. In the previous birth, Gopikas were sages and prayed the Lord for salvation. In the next birth, the sages were born as Gopikas and were tested by the Lord in their intensities of bonds with wealth, children and husbands. Bonds with these three are very strong called as Eshanas. Stealing butter involves the test of their bonds with the wealth and the children, since the butter was stored for their children. Those sages, who passed the tests, got salvation. Krishna never repeated these activities after leaving the village since the sages with such specific background were confined to the village only. Therefore, all the activities of Krishna are related to the God-component only and not to the soul-component.
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« Reply #1304 on: December 18, 2010, 11:35:49 PM »

Son of God will also get punishment if it does sins

You may argue that the nearest and dearest soul in the human incarnation will never do sins after going to such highest stage of devotion. If that is the case, what is the reason for such sinful deed and subsequent punishment? There must be some divine purpose for such act even if you consider the soul in the human incarnation as purest. The soul must have done such act not for its own sake. It must have done to give some important message to the souls in the creation. The message must be that you may become nearest and dearest to God through top most devotion, [still] you will be punished for your sins. Devotion can never save you from sins.

The only way is real and permanent transformation of soul, which is achieved by true knowledge followed by special effort in implementing such true knowledge in practice. The soul in the human incarnation must have enacted this drama to give this true concept to the world. Whether the soul did the sin really or enacted the sin for the sake of message, it makes no difference as far as the need and truthfulness of the message given to the world is concerned. The final concept does not change in both the situations. Ravana was very near and dear to the Lord as the gate keeper in the previous birth, but he was also punished for his sins. The internal soul of human incarnation, Rama and the external soul, Ravana, were punished for their sins irrespective of their nearness and dearness to God.

This concept of sin and its remedy was told by Krishna in the Gita.
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