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« Reply #1035 on: November 30, 2010, 05:07:11 AM »

For such devotees the statues and photos are necessary for meditation since they are at the school level. The statues and photos are useful for the meditation of such limited minds as said in Sastra (Pratima svalpa buddhinam). Veda says that the Lord does not exist in the inert objects (Natasya pratima, Nedamtat), but says that the inert objects can stand as models representing the Lord (Adityam brahmeti). Therefore seeing and meditation upon the statues and photos are correct in the case of the ignorant devotees.
How do you interpret the Bible when it says not to make any graven images?
Exd 20:4 ¶ Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:  


 Exd 20:5   Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me;  


These statement shows that God comes only in Human form. The statement again shows that God is not present in statue or picture or anyother inert medium. This means that God will come only in a live medium. The best live medium is a human being. God will never enter inert bodies. He enters a living medium which is a human being.

In Gita it is mentioned that, ‘Manusheem Tanumastritum’, He enters human body. Here it may appear that human body means only inert human body, and God enters. One may think that instead of soul, God is there in the inert body. But He enters into a human being not inert human body, He enters into a closest devotee or son of God. There the soul of ‘son of God’ is also present and God has entered the soul of son of God and body of ‘son of God’. Now, when God enters soul is also treated as a part of gross body only, there is no difference between inert gross body and alive soul, because of both is controlled by God. By the world ‘tanu’ both gross body and soul are indicated here.

All the statues in the temples are carved in human form only indicating the aspect of human incarnation.

 The only program of the human incarnation is giving the correct direction to the spiritual aspirant. This program is the main characteristic for the recognition of human incarnation as told in Veda (Satyam Jnanam…) and Gita (Jnaanitvaatmaiva..).



God is worshipped in two ways. The first way is the direct worship of God when He comes down in human form. The second way of worship of God is the worship of statues and photos, which are the representative models of God. The first way is direct high form of worship. The second way is the indirect low form of worship. In any type of worship, if selfishness is absent and if the worship is the service without any selfish desire, such worship is pure worship. If the worship is with a desire, it is impure worship. Blessed souls worship God in human form with absolute purity.
 Hanuman worshipped Rama and Gopikas worshipped Krishna in this way of high form of pure worship. If you worship statues and photos of God with desire, such worship is low form and impure also. In this low impure worship, the fruits of your service do not reach God and reach the undeserving priests. If the human form of God is not available, you worship the deserving devotees with pure service. God is more pleased in this way, because God loves His deserving devotees more than Himself. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa worshipped the statue of Kaali, but without any selfish desire. By this way, he is advising the people, who are doing low form of worship to make it at least pure. The pure low form of worship is certainly better than the impure low form of worship.
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« Reply #1036 on: November 30, 2010, 05:12:17 AM »

How do you interpret the Bible when it says not to make any graven images?
Exd 20:4 ¶ Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:  


 Exd 20:5   Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me;  


The real aim of Idol worship should be…..

The Gita says that the Lord is the Sun among the planets (Jyotisham Ravihi—Gita). At the same time it is said that the Sun cannot shine before the Lord (Na Tat Bhasayate—Gita; Natatra Suryah—Veda). The point here is that the Lord is the head of this world as the Sun is the head of the planets. Thus, the Sun is used here as a representative model (Pratika). This does not mean that the Lord is the Sun (Nedam Tat—Veda). The Gita says that the Lord maintains creation but is not in the creation (Bhuta Bhrut—Gita).


This statement is supported by the Veda (Neti Neti—Veda). The Lord says that people who worship inert objects will be born as inert objects and people who worship the human incarnation will be born as human beings (Bhutejyah…Yanti Mat Yajanah—Gita). This does not mean that one should not worship statues at the primary level. It means that one should not limit oneself to worshipping only statues throughout one’s lifetime. The form of the statue indicates the human form alone. With the help of the finger of a person [pointed in a certain direction] you see a flower. The finger is useful in the beginning but once the flower is seen, there is no need of the finger. The worship of statues, which are in human form, is only a training to reduce the repulsion towards the human form of the Lord.


 Even the idol worship is good from the point of lowest devotees. They can not accept the present human incarnation due to their ego and jealousy. They cannot see the energetic forms of God by long penance. They can only retain the concept of God through idols and pictures. Jesus on the cross of the chain worn in the neck of every Christian is an idol. Of course, the idol worship is not direct worship of God, because God does not exist in idols. It is only a model or a representative of the concept.

We use models in teaching. When you teach the generation of electricity through a model, flow sheet, or diagram, the model is not directly the electric generator. But it represents the concept of production of electricity. Idol worship should be limited only to obtaining a representative vision of God for meditation. Therefore, cleaning the idol by bath and decorating is acceptable. You can also offer food to the idol and feel that you are eating the remains. But you should not say that you have really sacrificed to God. Thus, you can see everything as positive from the lower level.
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« Reply #1037 on: November 30, 2010, 05:16:54 AM »

These statement shows that God comes only in Human form. The statement again shows that God is not present in statue or picture or anyother inert medium. This means that God will come only in a live medium. The best live medium is a human being.
If a human being says that God has come in his form, how does one know whether or not the person is a false prophet. Have their been many false prophets who have led people astray and in the wrong direction? Especially those who have taken psychedelic mushrooms and other psychedelic substances which alter their consciousness and thought processes,  and render them unreliable witnesses to the truth?
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« Reply #1038 on: November 30, 2010, 05:24:07 AM »

These statement shows that God comes only in Human form. The statement again shows that God is not present in statue or picture or anyother inert medium. This means that God will come only in a live medium. The best live medium is a human being.
If a human being says that God has come in his form, how does one know whether or not the person is a false prophet. Have their been many false prophets who have led people astray and in the wrong direction? Especially those who have taken psychedelic mushrooms and other psychedelic substances which alter their consciousness and thought processes,  and render them unreliable witnesses to the truth?

Dear stanley;

Very good question.

The real human incarnation is one in thousands
   
The concept of human incarnation is most perfect truth. At the same time it is most complicated and most dangerous also. It is truth because God interacts with the human beings in human form only. If God enters an inert statue, the purpose of preaching right knowledge to the humanity is not accomplished. If you say that the God in statue also has awareness by virtue of His omnipotence, such awareness cannot be used to give the right knowledge to the devotees. The statue is made of inert matter and if awareness also exists in it, it just becomes the human being.

 The human being is nothing but the human body made of inert matter associated with awareness. If the statue starts preaching knowledge, there will be excitation and the freedom to interact for clarification is not possible. The energetic form has inert energy as the material of body associated with awareness in which God may exist. Such energetic incarnation is not freely available to the humanity for preaching the right knowledge and it is relevant to the angels only, which are souls in energetic bodies.

Therefore, the human incarnation is the most relevant for humanity and this logic is the basis of the truth. At the same time this aspect of human incarnation becomes very dangerous because several human beings claim themselves as incarnations and exploit the people. Some exploit to satisfy their ego or jealousy developed over the human incarnations seen by them. Some exploit to earn money and some exploit to enjoy the sex in illegal way. Thus, the real human incarnation is one in thousands of false human incarnations and its isolation is very critical.


   The above problem is to be avoided since there is no other alternative than getting the right direction from the knowledge of the right human incarnation. The right knowledge is very essential without which the correct direction in the spiritual effort is lost. All the doubts about the right knowledge can be efficiently clarified from the right human incarnation only. Unless the doubts are perfectly clarified, the knowledge cannot be implemented by the human being. If the direction is wrong, all the effort goes waste and hence the right knowledge plays very important role in any effort. Since there is no other way than the human incarnation (Nanyahpanthah…Shruti), you have to avoid all the exploitations and stick to the concept.

The clue to identify the right human incarnation becomes very important point. The only clue is to recognize the right knowledge, since the right incarnation alone gives the right knowledge. What is the way to recognize the right knowledge?  The inner conscience alone can recognize the right knowledge.
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« Reply #1039 on: November 30, 2010, 05:28:22 AM »

These statement shows that God comes only in Human form. The statement again shows that God is not present in statue or picture or anyother inert medium. This means that God will come only in a live medium. The best live medium is a human being.
If a human being says that God has come in his form, how does one know whether or not the person is a false prophet. Have their been many false prophets who have led people astray and in the wrong direction? Especially those who have taken psychedelic mushrooms and other psychedelic substances which alter their consciousness and thought processes,  and render them unreliable witnesses to the truth?

Real human incarnation will not say that He is God. The human incarnation is a two component system in one phase. It is like the alloy of Gold and Copper existing in single phase. When God enters a liberated soul, which is a human being, the human incarnation results. The human incarnation appears as an ordinary human being only. When copper is alloyed with a trace of gold, it appears as copper only. Unless you see it through a powerful microscope, you will not be able to find out the existence of gold in it. Similarly, the human incarnation appears as human being only and unless you are capable of intensive spiritual analysis with the help of scriptures, you will not be able to find out the existence of God in the human incarnation.

Even in the  human incarnation, the human being continuously exhibits its own inherent characteristics like birth, death, illness, thirst, hunger, sex, sleep etc., for all practical purposes and one in millions only will be able to recognize the God in it as said in Gita (Kashchitmam…). This type of concept is required because the human beings should be able to approach freely the human incarnation without anxiety and tension to clarify all the doubts. The human behavior in the human incarnation puts down the tension since you treat him as a co-human being only.



Unless all the doubts are clarified, the right spiritual direction is impossible. Even in worldly affairs, right direction is the clue of successful achievement of the goal. The right spiritual direction is possible only through right knowledge. The right knowledge is possible only from God because God alone is the absolute truth. All the human beings are under the powerful influence of illusion and hence cannot give the right knowledge. The absolute truth is God and the entire creation including all the souls is just illusion only. No part of the creation will be able to find out the absolute truth, since the entire creation including souls is only relative reality, which is the effect of illusion. Hence, Veda says that God alone is associated with the true and infinite knowledge (Satyam Jnanam….).

The right spiritual direction cannot be obtained by any way other than right knowledge. By doing penance, by singing songs, by fasting, by chanting any mantra, by performing any ritual or worship etc., you cannot obtain the right direction. By studying the scriptures also it is impossible to get the right direction because confusion and doubts crop up. Unless God, the absolute reality and hence the knower of the absolute reality preaches you, you can never get the right direction. The absolute truth is beyond space and hence God alone is the absolute truth and also knower of the absolute truth. Such God come to you in human form and preaches the right divine knowledge.......for your upliftment.
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« Reply #1040 on: November 30, 2010, 05:52:50 AM »

prophets who have led people astray and in the wrong direction? Especially those who have taken psychedelic mushrooms and other psychedelic substances which alter their consciousness and thought processes,  and render them unreliable witnesses to the truth?

The identity mark of God in human form is the true divine knowledge.

If you want to eat an apple, you have to search for the seller of apples in order to purchase an apple from him. Then, how to identify the seller of apples? The identity mark for recognizing the seller of apples is the apple itself. Therefore, your requirement itself is the identity mark to recognize the possessor of your requirement. If you want to learn Physics, you to have select the best teacher of the physics. What is the identity mark of the best teacher of physics? The identity mark is the best teaching of the physics itself. Similarly the requirement of an aspirant of spiritual path is the correct direction in his spiritual journey. The correct direction in the spiritual journey can be given by the true spiritual knowledge. Apart from the true spiritual knowledge, there should be best way of explanation of such true spiritual knowledge. Therefore, your requirement is the true spiritual knowledge and its best explanation, so that you can get the correct direction in your spiritual effort.

Now, the identity mark to recognize the possessor of true spiritual knowledge and the best preacher of such true spiritual knowledge is the true spiritual knowledge and its best explanation only. Veda says that the true spiritual knowledge (Satyam, Jnanam…) along with its best explanation (Prajnanam Brahma) is required for the correct spiritual direction. Veda says that the true spiritual knowledge itself is God.

It means that the possessor of true spiritual knowledge is God. It should not be confused that the knowledge itself is God. The possessor of your required important item is addressed as the item itself. You are calling the possessor of apple as apples. You call him “Oh Apples! Come here”. Here, the word ‘apples’ means the possessor of apples.Gita clarified this confusion by saying that the possessor of knowledge is God (Jnanitvatmaiva…).


How to judge the true knowledge? It is said that your inner consciousness is the best judge (Pramanamantahkaranapravruttayah). When something is true, your inner consciousness will always prick you, saying that it is truth, even though you may not like it. Similarly your inner consciousness will say the false thing as false, even though you may like it. Actually God is giving this hint to you through your inner consciousness.

 Sometimes, the knowledge may be true, but, if the explanation is not good, you will be having confusion. Even in such situation, your inner consciousness hints you that it is true. Ofcourse, if the true knowledge is explained in best way, you will not have any confusion. Therefore, not only the knowledge must be true, but also the way of explanation must be best. When both these aspects are accomplished, know that the preacher of such true knowledge explained in best way is God alone.


Such preacher is called as Satguru. Guru is the preacher and may give the true knowledge, which was already given by God through the scripture. But the best explanation of it, clarifying all your doubts is possible to God alone (chidyante sarvasamsayah).
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« Reply #1041 on: November 30, 2010, 03:06:22 PM »

Regarding this phenomenon known as reincarnation, does it have any characteristics that behave according to principles of science?  That is, for example, if I am the reincarnation of Julius Caesar, would I share his DNA?  Or would we have any other (potentially) scientifically verifiable traits in common?

Also, is everyone a reincarnation, or are new souls or entities also introduced from time to time?  And if so, how would we know the difference?

Sorry for all the questions, but this is something about which I know very little.  I am extremely skeptical, by the way, but am at least interested in understanding what it is you believe about this area.

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« Reply #1042 on: November 30, 2010, 03:08:41 PM »

How to judge the true knowledge? It is said that your inner consciousness is the best judge (Pramanamantahkaranapravruttayah).

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« Reply #1043 on: November 30, 2010, 03:11:32 PM »

What does your theory say about the guy in the train station asking me for money?
But suffering of ordinary people not for God's mission is due to thier own previous sins only.
So, your concept of charity is "The heck with 'em.  None of 'em deserve charity.  They've earned their suffering."

Is that accurate?
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« Reply #1044 on: November 30, 2010, 03:53:09 PM »

Regarding this phenomenon known as reincarnation, does it have any characteristics that behave according to principles of science?
That would depend upon how you define 'science'. Modern Western science assumes that consciousness is a product of matter, and, thus, that one's consciousness will dissipate/dissolve/undergo cessation when one's body is no longer viable. Thus, reincarnation would not be understandable within the context of modern Western science.
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That is, for example, if I am the reincarnation of Julius Caesar, would I share his DNA?  Or would we have any other (potentially) scientifically verifiable traits in common?
You wouldn't have a greater chance of sharing Caesar's DNA, than the chance that anyone else in America has. However, there is some evidence of shared traits being common to two supposed reincarnations/rebirths. When certain Tibetan Buddhist lamas take rebirth (Buddhists prefer 'rebirth' over 'reincarnation', for various reasons), what is often claimed is that the new-born infant/child is able to determine which objects were owned by his/her previous lifer, or which individuals were known to the previous lifer. Also, the research of Dr. Ian Stevenson has pointed to some shared traits between two lifers.

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Also, is everyone a reincarnation, or are new souls or entities also introduced from time to time?  And if so, how would we know the difference?
Most schools of Hinduism would argue, I think, that everyone has previous lives (not all of which were on this earth, or this physical realm, however). I think Hasidic Judaism may posit that some souls have been (relatively) recently created, though.

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« Reply #1045 on: November 30, 2010, 04:35:53 PM »

Hey!!! Venu has a higher post count than me, and he hasn't even been here that long! I'd better get cracking!
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« Reply #1046 on: November 30, 2010, 07:26:31 PM »

Agia Marina,

I think you're going a bit overboard with the personal attacks. Even if dattaswami is preaching pure garbage as we all agree he is, he still deserves the same level of respect we give to all other posters, and that is to attack issues, not people. Tell him that you find him boring, that he lacks humility, that you think he's seeking attention, that he's even a false prophet, for all of this can be derived from his posts or is a valid criticism of his behavior. DON'T, however, call him a pathetic creature who needs therapy. Such insults and speculation into his mental health as this, which cannot be derived from a reading of his posts, is the substance of ad hominem, which we do not tolerate on this forum. If you wish to speak with me or any other moderator about this, please do so via private message.

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« Reply #1047 on: November 30, 2010, 08:34:41 PM »

I have read the works of Ian Stevenson as well. They are pretty interesting. Jetavan, you have stated on another thread that you believe in rebirth as a "lesser" teaching. Can you elaborate? Are there any Patristic examples whatsoever?
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« Reply #1048 on: November 30, 2010, 08:35:42 PM »

I'd like dattaspammi to explain why his version of the incarnation of God seems to have absolutely no sense of humor whatsoever.
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« Reply #1049 on: November 30, 2010, 09:26:04 PM »

I have read the works of Ian Stevenson as well. They are pretty interesting. Jetavan, you have stated on another thread that you believe in rebirth as a "lesser" teaching. Can you elaborate? Are there any Patristic examples whatsoever?
I think a major reason the Patristic sources (except perhaps Origen) reject reincarnation is due to the desire to maintain a sense that this physical body of yours is truly 'yours', and not something to be eventually 'left behind' in favor of a purely 'spiritual' reality.

I do agree that, for many people, belief in reincarnation may tend -- if not carefully understood -- to lead to a sort of de-appreciation of the physical body. And I think the Patristic sources saw that danger, and felt that the most efficient way to counteract that danger, would be simply to deny reincarnation outright.

So, I see reincarnation as a 'lesser teaching', in part because if not properly understood, it could lead to a de-appreciation of one's physical form.

Since many, if not most, people, already have a very complicated relationship ("love-hate", even) with their bodies, I believe the Patristic sources did the right thing.

All this is not to say that "reincarnation is real, and the Patristic sources denied what is real, for the sake of particular purposes". Rather, I would say that reincarnation is real, but from certain perspectives, and not from other perspectives. In such a case, a denial of reincarnation would be true from certain perspectives, but not from others.

I came to this conclusion by reading the Hindu and Buddhist texts, as well as the lives of Hindu and Buddhist realizers, in which it is said (either implicitly or explicitly) that (1) reincarnation is not the highest truth; and (2) true communion with God means the utter end of reincarnation.

So, even in the East, reincarnation is not necessarily seen as the whole truth, nor is it seen as something that will last forever.

From that perspective, I could better appreciate the rejection of reincarnation that I saw from the Patristic sources -- without necessarily totally rejecting reincarnation outright as an impossibility.

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« Reply #1050 on: November 30, 2010, 10:22:25 PM »

Then, why are you, devotee, bragging about being God?  You're just a pathetic, attention-seeking creature.

Agia Marina;

I can understand your emotions.


Jesus humbly accepted the insult from those High priests and Jews, due to His love on HIs devotees. By this way, He could carry the sins of His people on to Him and suffer for them. Thus Jesus simply underwent all that, which is needed to saved His people from their own sins.

When God preaches in this world by coming in human form, the oppossition and insult are a regular feature. For God this entire creation is a dream only. When some body insult Him, He will not take it into Himself, because He think like this, 'some of His children who are like nursery school child, if abuses a Professor, the Professor do not even heed such insult'.

Like wise the loving Father do not get affected by the insult from His own ingnorat children when they insult Him in this world. God enjoys that insult also.


 The human incarnation of God enjoys the misery and infact God comes down to the earth in order to enjoy the misery, which is totally absent in His upper abode. In His upper abode, only happiness and praise of God persists by which God gets bored like in the continuous enjoyment of sweets. God called His gate-watchmen called Jaya and Vijaya and requested them to take birth as Villains to give Him troubles in the earth, so that He can enjoy the hot dish for a change. The hot dish not only gives a variety of enjoyment but also serves as a brake between two sweet dishes. Infact, the sweet dish after hot dish gives reinforced enjoyment. Thus the hot dish serves double purpose and is very important.


You aren't God.  Get over yourself.
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« Reply #1051 on: November 30, 2010, 10:29:26 PM »

These statement shows that God comes only in Human form. The statement again shows that God is not present in statue or picture or anyother inert medium. This means that God will come only in a live medium. The best live medium is a human being.
If a human being says that God has come in his form, how does one know whether or not the person is a false prophet. Have their been many false prophets who have led people astray and in the wrong direction? Especially those who have taken psychedelic mushrooms and other psychedelic substances which alter their consciousness and thought processes,  and render them unreliable witnesses to the truth?

Real human incarnation will not say that He is God. The human incarnation is a two component system in one phase. It is like the alloy of Gold and Copper existing in single phase. When God enters a liberated soul, which is a human being, the human incarnation results. The human incarnation appears as an ordinary human being only. When copper is alloyed with a trace of gold, it appears as copper only. Unless you see it through a powerful microscope, you will not be able to find out the existence of gold in it.
Kind of like ordering from a Chinese menu--one from Column A and one from Column B; it's all Chinese food.
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« Reply #1052 on: November 30, 2010, 10:31:56 PM »

How do you interpret the Bible when it says not to make any graven images?
Exd 20:4 ¶ Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:  


 Exd 20:5   Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me;  


The real aim of Idol worship should be…..

The Gita says that the Lord is the Sun among the planets (Jyotisham Ravihi—Gita). At the same time it is said that the Sun cannot shine before the Lord (Na Tat Bhasayate—Gita; Natatra Suryah—Veda). The point here is that the Lord is the head of this world as the Sun is the head of the planets. Thus, the Sun is used here as a representative model (Pratika). This does not mean that the Lord is the Sun (Nedam Tat—Veda). The Gita says that the Lord maintains creation but is not in the creation (Bhuta Bhrut—Gita).


This statement is supported by the Veda (Neti Neti—Veda). The Lord says that people who worship inert objects will be born as inert objects and people who worship the human incarnation will be born as human beings (Bhutejyah…Yanti Mat Yajanah—Gita). This does not mean that one should not worship statues at the primary level. It means that one should not limit oneself to worshipping only statues throughout one’s lifetime. The form of the statue indicates the human form alone. With the help of the finger of a person [pointed in a certain direction] you see a flower. The finger is useful in the beginning but once the flower is seen, there is no need of the finger. The worship of statues, which are in human form, is only a training to reduce the repulsion towards the human form of the Lord.


 Even the idol worship is good from the point of lowest devotees. They can not accept the present human incarnation due to their ego and jealousy. They cannot see the energetic forms of God by long penance. They can only retain the concept of God through idols and pictures. Jesus on the cross of the chain worn in the neck of every Christian is an idol. Of course, the idol worship is not direct worship of God, because God does not exist in idols. It is only a model or a representative of the concept.

We use models in teaching. When you teach the generation of electricity through a model, flow sheet, or diagram, the model is not directly the electric generator. But it represents the concept of production of electricity. Idol worship should be limited only to obtaining a representative vision of God for meditation. Therefore, cleaning the idol by bath and decorating is acceptable. You can also offer food to the idol and feel that you are eating the remains. But you should not say that you have really sacrificed to God. Thus, you can see everything as positive from the lower level.
But, we don't believe in the Gita or the Vedas.
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Regarding this phenomenon known as reincarnation, does it have any characteristics that behave according to principles of science?  That is, for example, if I am the reincarnation of Julius Caesar, would I share his DNA?  Or would we have any other (potentially) scientifically verifiable traits in common?

Also, is everyone a reincarnation, or are new souls or entities also introduced from time to time?  And if so, how would we know the difference?

Sorry for all the questions, but this is something about which I know very little.  I am extremely skeptical, by the way, but am at least interested in understanding what it is you believe about this area.

Thanks.

Why are you asking sorry? It is very good that you are interested in the divine knowledge, but you are slightly out of focus. The main aspect of divine knowledge is the learn about God, not about re-birth etc. But since you are curious about it, there is re-birth. Incarnation of God is different from re-birth. Incarnation of God means God coming in human form.

Each individual has gone through millions of birth (either human or non-human) to reach present stage. The habits of a person forms his qualities. These qualities or thoughts in the mind are the fruits of millions of births. When a action is repeated many time it become a habit and human being is a collection of such qualities or habits of both good and bad, varying in intensity. Thus our debt has built-up, which has to bear fruit either good or bad in this world or the upperworld.

Now let us examine the past deeds which results in present states.

Some people say that they are pure and innocent!. People are posing as if they are pure in this birth by saying like this. Infact, for all the previous deeds, the soul was treated completely in the upper world. When the soul takes birth in this world it is born with “Karmasesha”, which means not the remains of the action. It means the remains of that quality (Samskara or Vasana or habit) in the soul. When a thief was strongly beaten in the police station for his action of theft, he comes out with a subtle seed of that quality. Due to the beating, that quality was very much reduced but did not vanish. This seed is in the form of quality, which is a wrong modification of knowledge and it will never be vanished by the fruit because the fruit is also a form of action. This means action cannot destroy the quality. Only the right knowledge, which is the correct modification of the knowledge, can remove that quality. The punishment, which is also a form of action, cannot destroy the quality.

The agony, which is also another wrong modification of knowledge, produced during the punishment, cannot destroy this quality. This seed is called ‘Karmasesha’ or ‘Sanchita’. Therefore ‘Karmasesha’ or ‘Sanchita’ does not mean the balance of the results. It only means the balance of the quality, which is responsible for the action. When the soul is reborn, it gets a congenial atmosphere according to its seed. The seed starts germinating and this stage of the quality is called ‘Prarabdha’. The seed slowly grows into a tree. The soul becomes very active and does a series of deeds. The fruits of these deeds will be received by the soul in the upper world. Such future fruits are called ‘Aagaami’. But some vigorous deeds give fruits in this world itself. The series of thefts of a thief are recorded in the police station (Aagaami), but sometimes the householder even before going to the police station punishes the thief. Thus the effects in this world are only the fruits of some serious actions of the soul done in this world itself.

The most serious sin done in this world is forgetting the Lord who gave so many facilities in this world without any selfishness. Even though people are praying the Lord; their love is with selfishness only. The love is not true if selfishness exists. There is no light if darkness exists. Therefore the human being is committing this greatest sin and is receiving the result of this sin in this life itself because the sin is so serious! However, the atheists are going to be punished in the upper world only for this greatest sin. The reason is that they are used to examine the faith of the devotees of the Lord. Seeing the happy life of an atheist in this world should not mislead a devotee.

Now leaving all these you should concentrate on God and His divine knowledge, which alone can improve your love on God and that only can please God....
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« Reply #1054 on: December 01, 2010, 01:05:25 AM »

What does your theory say about the guy in the train station asking me for money?
But suffering of ordinary people not for God's mission is due to thier own previous sins only.
So, your concept of charity is "The heck with 'em.  None of 'em deserve charity.  They've earned their suffering."

Is that accurate?

Charity with divine mission of divine knoweldge preaching is very good.

Mere social service without the divine mission is useless. Infact such social service will make God angry. The reason is that any human being is suffering here due to his sins. The Lord has punished him and the punishment is meant to change him and not for vengeance. Interference in the punishment disturbs the divine administration. But if you help them in the name of the Lord, and try to convert them into devotees, it will help them in their transformation, which is the actual goal of the punishment. In that case, the Lord will be pleased with you.
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« Reply #1055 on: December 01, 2010, 01:09:36 AM »

What does your theory say about the guy in the train station asking me for money?
But suffering of ordinary people not for God's mission is due to thier own previous sins only.
So, your concept of charity is "The heck with 'em.  None of 'em deserve charity.  They've earned their suffering."

Is that accurate?

Charity with divine mission of divine knoweldge preaching is very good.

Mere social service without the divine mission is useless. Infact such social service will make God angry.
I don't agree. When an atheist doctor helps and saves the life of a suffering child, I think that it is a good thing.
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« Reply #1056 on: December 01, 2010, 01:11:32 AM »

Hey!!! Venu has a higher post count than me, and he hasn't even been here that long! I'd better get cracking!

God comes for preaching divine knoweldge which He alone posses. Not for time pass. The preaching of right knowledge is very serious issue. He does it very well when He comes in human form.....Utlimate aim of God is the permanent transformation of the soul through divine knowledge so that the soul will realise the importance of God, and serve Him with love.

All your family and other relations and possession are not permanent. Your bond with your Master that is your God alone is permanent. Through reading the divine knowledge and discussing with the God in human form all your spiritual doubts will get clarified here itself and your love on GOd will improve proportionally. This way you will become dear and near to God. For this to happen, ego and jealosy which are inherent in us should be curbed over a period of time by social service to accept God when He comes in human form.

God will interact with us only in Human form, no other form. This is the most convenient medium for us, so that we can freely mingle with Him and clear all our spiritual doubts. It is very very difficult to identify such God in human form. Only by analysising His divine knowledge we can conclude that He is God or not....

When you live in this world, be alert, and use all your energy to serve God, learn divine knowledge and practice it in your daily life. Worship of present human form of God is the complete worship of God, since God exists in Him all the time....
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I don't agree. When an atheist doctor helps and saves the life of a suffering child, I think that it is a good thing.

It is good thing. If GOd wishes that that suffering child should be cured of the illness, then alone the medicine given by an atheist doctor will work. Other wise if God do not wish then even if the doctor prescribe 1000s of medicine also the child will not get cure.

God knows whom to uplift or help at what time. Nothing injustice takes palce in this world. People often say that Service to man is Service to God.  This is a very dangerous statement if it is not properly understood.  Service does not mean simply giving food, clothes, medicines etc., to suffering poor and needy people.  That poor person is suffering due to the punishment given by God due to his bad deeds.  You have not seen his past deeds but you are showing sympathy on him at present.  Your help is only temporary.  Make him a devotee by imparting knowledge.  Then the Lord will help him and that help is permanent.

 So the word “service” should not be limited to donating food etc., In such case after receiving your help he may do sins which you have to share.  So convert him into a devotee by donating knowledge so that he becomes a devotee, to get personal help from the Lord and also helps others.  Since this is the work of the God, such service of yours’ becomes God’s service.  Donate knowledge and devotion, even for the wealthy people.  Poor did not mean lack of money only.  Poor means lack of knowledge and devotion also. Actually the original sense of this statement is different.  When the Lord comes in the human form, he appears as a man. 

The Lord is the father of all the souls. Your love on another human being is only brotherly love. The love of the father is far greater than the brotherly love. You are criticizing your father for punishing your brother! The father tries His best to transform His son. On the first day of the war Ravana was defeated by Rama. Rama could have killed him on the very first day.

But Rama, asked Ravana to go back and think that night. The Lord punishes any one as last resort. Even then, the Lord doesnot have anger or hatred. The punishment is only the last method attempted for transformation. There also the aim is only transformation. But when you punish your enemy such aim does not exist. Therefore the punishment by Lord is also reflecting His divine love and kindness on the soul. Due to such sacred aim the Lord is authorized to punish the soul. He is just like a teacher who punishes the student for his misbehavior. The teacher does not get any sin in such punishment. The reason again is that the intention decides the action.

Therefore when you live in the world, according to instructions given by the Lord, the Lord is pleased with you. The Lord will make you happy in this world. Your happiness in this world is an indication of His grace. Therefore you will be happy in the upper world also. He is the only one lord for both the worlds. Therefore if you are unhappy in the worldly affairs, you will be unhappy in the spiritual matters in the upper world also. If you are blessed in this world you are also blessed in the upper world. Therefore you follow His commandments and be happy in this world.

 When you are serving the Lord you should be happy in the sacrifice. You should not sacrifice to the Lord with unhappiness. The sacrifice with unhappiness will make the Lord unhappy. The result of such service is unhappiness in the upper world. Therefore it is better not to sacrifice if you are not happy. Why should you purchase the unhappiness with such sacrifice? Are you unhappy when you are sacrificing to your family members? Therefore the sacrifice without any force or unhappiness is not only waste but also brings negative results in the case of Lord.
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« Reply #1058 on: December 01, 2010, 01:15:36 AM »


The Vedas say "Go away".

Due to compassion to the elect God comes in human form...

Compassion ... Like the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh?

Like Maitreya on www.shareintl.org

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So, are you one of those wise teachers which has long guided humanity from behind the scenes?   Huh
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How to judge the true knowledge? It is said that your inner consciousness is the best judge (Pramanamantahkaranapravruttayah).

WHAT'D YOU CALL ME?!




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God comes in human form and preaches divine knowledge. How to identify Him? Your own innerconciousness will tell you whether the person is God in human form or not, based on the analysis of the divine knowledge preached by Him.

From inside God will prick you whether the preaching of God in human form is true knowledge or not.

There fore you should have patience and should read the divine knowledge of God in human form, and discuss with Him and clarify all your doubts. He is always ready for discussion. It is your duty to clarify the doubts from Him.
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So, are you one of those wise teachers which has long guided humanity from behind the scenes?   Huh

God Himself comes down since if He sends His messengers the messengers may not fully preach the divine knoweldge, he may err. But when God Himself comes down the all other small preachers run under cover. God is the knowledge Himself. True excellent knowledge is the identify mark of God in human form.

Absolute God cannot be compared to human preachers...

There is difference between human preacher and God in human form.

Human preachers will have millions of followers and none of them is serious about the truth. The human preachers preach lot of ignorance and very little truth, so that the hearer of their knoweldge will appreciate them and reward them. If the full truth is preached no body will stay to listen, because after hearing the truth every body will run away, due to the harshness of the true divine knoweldge.

Thus identity mark of God in human form is that He will have only very few real followers, He preaches truth which is harsh and do not liked by masses. God in human form is not found of masses or fame or name, since God do not want all these, He is already fed up with fame and name in the upper world.

By these tests you can identify a human preacher and the God in Human form.

True knowledge is compared to fire (Jnaanaagnih….Gita) because no false hood can survive in it without becoming ash. Certainly the true knowledge is harsh and looks like impossible to practice. The impossibility may be now but not in the future. The souls of Gana have practiced the true spiritual knowledge and hence it is not impractical. The time taken to reach the stage of practice may be days or months or years or births. At least appreciate the truth, which is the first step in the practice. If you avoid the appreciation and criticize it so that you can escape its practice, you are gone forever.

Human preachers whom you are reffering cannot preach truth...Only God in human form can preach the truth.....
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a reincarnation, or are new souls or entities also introduced from time to time?  And if so, how would we know the difference?
Most schools of Hinduism would argue, I think, that everyone has previous lives (not all of which were on this earth, or this physical realm, however). I think Hasidic Judaism may posit that some souls have been (relatively) recently created, though.


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In Islam and Christianity there is no rebirth for the soul. The soul gets human birth only once. After this human birth the soul will either go to the Lord or will go to the hell permanently. Only one Lord created this entire universe. Therefore the policy should be the same for all the souls in this universe. There is only one Lord. All the souls are equal to Him. Can you deny this? If you don’t agree with this theory, you can follow your own faith. But your faith is not important. The truth is important. What ever is true, that alone happens and not as per your faith. If you agree with this policy I can correlate all the religions.

If you can correlate all the religions in a better way, I will also agree with you. If you are not caring for the correlation and follow your faith only, there is nothing for me to preach you. My correlation of all the religions is like this : In Gita two paths are explained. In the first path one goes to Brahmaloka without returning back. In the other path one returns back to this earth and falls in the cycle of births and deaths which is the wheel of Samsara. In all the religions there are only two paths. Reaching Brahmaloka is reaching the Lord. Falling in the cycle animals and births is going to the hell permanently. The soul which, has fallen in this hell will never get the human rebirth in which there is facility of trying to reach Brahmaloka. Not getting such a spiritual human rebirth is the absence of rebirth.

The soul which, goes to Brahmaloka will never get the rebirth of animals and birds and in such sense this soul also has no rebirth. But one point is to be understood carefully. The birth of animal, bird, worm etc., does not mean the actual animal or bird or worm etc., There are several human beings who live like animals, birds and worms. Such human births are also the births of animals, birds, worms etc., We are seeing such human beings in majority on this earth. They are immersed in the worldly bonds like money, children etc., They cannot cut their blind love to these worldly bonds. Even if they put some spiritual effort, it is incomplete because of the attachment with these bonds.

Such souls when they go to the upper worlds are also involved in such bonds in the upper worlds also. They can never attain Brahmaloka by preaching any amount of divine knowledge to them. But if they are not preached they will blame the Lord during the enquiry posing that they might have attained Brahmaloka, had they received the divine knowledge. The Lord preaches them also only to save himself from such blame and not to save them. Therefore if you are having all the facilities and also interest in the spiritual line this is the best birth for you and this is the only chance for you. If you waste this human birth you are falling into the births of animals etc., You are not given such chance again.

Islam and Christianity say that the soul has to wait for the final enquiry which, is to be done at the end of this world. This human body (Pindanda) is stated as the world (Brahmanda). The human body is a mini world containing the same components. Therefore the death of this human body can be treated as the end of this world from the point of the soul. You can also treat the day as birth and night as death. Veda says that the deep sleep is equal to death (Naviduhu Sati Sampatsyama Iti). Gita also says the same (Prabhavantyaharagame). Therefore the feelings (Samskaras) of previous births mean only the feelings of yesterday.

If you are on the spiritual line and if you are making sincere spiritual effort to cut these worldly bonds and to strengthen the bond with the Lord, your lifetime can be extended by the Lord. You will cross the day of your death by the grace of the Lord, which is a rebirth. Such extension of life will help you really in the spiritual effort if you are given a human rebirth there will be lot of gap since you have to stay in the womb of your mother and you have to cross the childhood. Such long gap will give a serious break in your spiritual effort.

From this point of view also there is no human rebirth. If one cannot attain the Brahmaloka in this human birth itself by getting the extension of life, can such a soul get Brahmaloka in the next human birth after such a long gap? Gita also says that the soul is taking birth and death constantly during the day and night (Athachainam Nitya Jatam). Like this all the three religions can be correlated and only one theory is evolved.
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a reincarnation, or are new souls or entities also introduced from time to time?  And if so, how would we know the differenceMost schools of Hinduism would argue, I think, that everyone has previous lives (not all of which were on this earth, or this physical realm, however). I think Hasidic Judaism may posit that some souls have been (relatively) recently created, though.



Hinduism preaches rebirth. Christianity says that there is no rebirth. One has to solve this contradiction. I am giving a solution. You are welcome to give a better solution, if any. You neither give a better solution nor accept My solution. You want the contradiction to be alive like a burning fire and you want to make this world into a hell with these religious fights. You do not care about other religions. You are rigid about your own misinterpretation of your scripture.

You say that your scripture in the light of your own misinterpretation alone is correct. This indirectly means that the other religion is wrong. After sometime you will come out directly saying that the other religion is wrong. The people of other religions do the same thing. This creates hatred among the people. Love vanishes. Fights and wars result. You are responsible for all this chaos.

The solution I give here is that there is no rebirth as far as the spiritual chance is concerned; the real human birth is lost. Even if you get human rebirths, you will only be immersed in worldly bonds. When the concept of God and divine knowledge is lost, such human births are as good as animals (Pashuvat Naraanam). Thus, both religions are synchronised. Moreover, God can give human rebirths to deserving souls and He is not bound by any rule. However, I only criticize Hindus and appreciate Christians in this point. Hindus are postponing their spiritual efforts thinking that there are several human rebirths. In Hinduism also it is said that human rebirth is very rare (Nara Janma Durlabham—Shankara).

I remove the contradiction and appreciate the merit, wherever it lies. You said that animals cannot remember their previous births. But even human beings do not remember their previous births and therefore they are no better than animals in this aspect. The human being who has the spiritual chance alone uses his discrimination power (Buddhi) and thus he alone is the real human being. Other (worldly) human beings are as good as animals. You stand firm on the knowledge of Jesus. I will never oppose you in that point. What I say is that you should stand firm on the real interpretation of the knowledge of Jesus and not on the narrow interpretations given by certain conservative people.

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Oh, you're talking about Jesus Christ then, right?

I am not talking about Jesus. If you say Jesus as God 10 times then i will tell million times Jesus as God... God is identified from His divine knowledge. Jesus is know God due to His excellent divine knoweldge. Truely Jesus was true preacher and the God in human form.

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So, are you one of those wise teachers which has long guided humanity from behind the scenes?   Huh

God Himself comes down since if He sends His messengers the messengers may not fully preach the divine knoweldge, he may err. But when God Himself comes down the all other small preachers run under cover.

Maitreya does not run under cover?  That website I cited is affiliated with the United Nations because, until the webhosting company was changed, a traceroute ended with a un.org computer address.

God is the knowledge Himself. True excellent knowledge is the identify mark of God in human form.

So any smart person is God in human form?  Is everyone on this board God in human form?

Absolute God cannot be compared to human preachers...

These references to an "Absolute" God sound like Islam.

There is difference between human preacher and God in human form.

God in human form is not a preacher?

Human preachers will have millions of followers and none of them is serious about the truth. The human preachers preach lot of ignorance and very little truth, so that the hearer of their knoweldge will appreciate them and reward them. If the full truth is preached no body will stay to listen, because after hearing the truth every body will run away, due to the harshness of the true divine knoweldge.

So, Maitreya should have no followers because of the harshness of the true divine knowledge.

Thus identity mark of God in human form is that He will have only very few real followers, He preaches truth which is harsh and do not liked by masses. God in human form is not found of masses or fame or name, since God do not want all these, He is already fed up with fame and name in the upper world.

Just as we are fed up with you.   Wink

By these tests you can identify a human preacher and the God in Human form.

You have no real followers here.

True knowledge is compared to fire (Jnaanaagnih….Gita) because no false hood can survive in it without becoming ash.

So is Holy Communion.

Certainly the true knowledge is harsh and looks like impossible to practice. The impossibility may be now but not in the future. The souls of Gana have practiced the true spiritual knowledge and hence it is not impractical. The time taken to reach the stage of practice may be days or months or years or births. At least appreciate the truth, which is the first step in the practice. If you avoid the appreciation and criticize it so that you can escape its practice, you are gone forever.

Human preachers whom you are reffering cannot preach truth...Only God in human form can preach the truth.....

So you're saying Maitreya is a fraud because you claim he's not human?   Huh
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I don't agree. When an atheist doctor helps and saves the life of a suffering child, I think that it is a good thing.

Definetly it is a good thing and it is the duty of the doctor to cure the child. But remember that it is not the doctor who is curing the child, ultimately it is God who cures the child.

 But the atheist doctor will go to heaven for this good deed but comes down from there after the good fruit of that good deed gets exhausted.

If the doctor is a theist doctor, then also the doctor should cure the patient and try to impart divine knowledge to its parents to uplift the child spiritual in coming years, in this case God is pleased with the theist doctor because spiritual upliftment is the main aim of God.

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I am talking about Jesus christ who comes in every human generation to preach. There are certain good and learned souls, which are interested in the spiritual path to gain the grace of the God.  But the spiritual path is in confusion since several human beings interpret the scripture of God in different ways.  Only God has to give the correct version of His own scripture. God has to come in human form in every generation because as soon as God exits, selfish people misinterpret His message constantly.  The misinterpretation satisfies the majority of the people, which is incapable of practicing in the right path. For example God decides that 70% is the distinction.  When God exits, the majority of the students, which is incapable of getting the distinction like to bring down the percentage so that they can also have the satisfaction of the distinction.

 A student who gets 7% wants to have distinction.  Now the misinterpretation is given like this.  In the number 70 there are two numbers.  One is 7 and the other is 0.  Since 0 has no value, 70 must mean 7.  Therefore, the student getting 7% can get distinction.  Such misinterpretation by a mischievous teacher is admired by a large majority of students.  Now he is the greatest teacher with large majority of followers!  This is the present situation of false preachers misleading the vast majority.  The distinction can be neither given by the teacher nor by the students.  The board of interview selecting the students of distinction for service has the acknowledge of the distinction for which only there is real fruit.

 Hence, God gives the divine fruit only to the real distinction since He is well aware of the marks of distinction, which were prescribed by Him only. Therefore, God had to come again and again and also everywhere simultaneously (especially when there was no electronic communications in the world) to establish the correct interpretation in the entire world. This correct interpretation attracts only the merit students and the majority consisting of incapable students will reject this.  God is also not bothered about such majority because even if the truth is established to them, there will be no use in the case of such students. 
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« Reply #1069 on: December 01, 2010, 01:56:50 AM »


Maitreya does not run under cover?  That website I cited is affiliated with the United Nations because, until the webhosting company was changed, a traceroute ended with a un.org computer address.

A preacher is identified from his own knowledge. If Maitreya claims to be re-incarnation of Christ, then one has to analyse his knowledge, from his knowledge one can identify whether he is God in human form or not.

St. John the Baptist was a preacher, at the time when God in human form Jesus came. He told that He is not even eligible to tie the knot of the foot wear of God in human form Jesus also testified that Jesus will sprinkle fire meaning divine knowledge.

John told he can only preach simple knoweldge with lot of ignorance (it is like water).

Thus there is a difference between a mere preacher and real God in human form.

You have to analyse the knowledge of real God in human form and Maitreya together and come to a conclusion by your self.

The identity mark to recognize the possessor of true spiritual knowledge and the best preacher of such true spiritual knowledge is the true spiritual knowledge and its best explanation only. Veda says that the true spiritual knowledge (Satyam, Jnanam…) along with its best explanation (Prajnanam Brahma) is required for the correct spiritual direction. Veda says that the true spiritual knowledge itself is God.
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« Reply #1070 on: December 01, 2010, 01:59:47 AM »



So any smart person is God in human form?  Is everyone on this board God in human form?

Any X, Y and Z cannot be God in human form. God in human form possess excellent divine knoweldge and wonderful explanation of it, which other people do not posses or that you have not seen any where else so far. It is the identify mark of GOd in human form.

Veda says that the true spiritual knowledge itself is God. The possessor of true spiritual knowledge and the best preacher of such true spiritual knowledge is the true spiritual knowledge and its best explanation only.

Such preacher is called as Satguru. Guru is the preacher and may give the true knowledge, which was already given by God through the scripture. But the best explanation of it, clarifying all your doubts is possible to God alone (chidyante sarvasamsayah).
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« Reply #1071 on: December 01, 2010, 02:03:27 AM »

  In the number 70 there are two numbers.  One is 7 and the other is 0.  Since 0 has no value, 70 must mean 7. 
This is false. First of all 0 has the place value which indicates that 70 means 7x10 + 0. I am surprised that any man who claims to have wisdom or enlightenment would be so stupid as not to know this.
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« Reply #1072 on: December 01, 2010, 02:14:14 AM »


These references to an "Absolute" God sound like Islam.

Absolute GOd means God in the absolute state before creation. God was alone before creation. Such GOD created this entire universe. This creation is only His dream or imagination. Thus if you want to see the absolute GOd, then the creation has to vanish to see the GOd in the aboslute state with no creation. When creation disappear or the dream is withdrawn by God, then you also will vanish along with the creation since you are also a part of creation or His dream only. Thus no body can see the absolute God or God in alone state without creation.  This the reason why bible says that if you see absolute God you will die. This means that if you want to see the absolute God, then the creation has to vanish in that case you will also vanish as you are a part of HIs dream or creation only.

Such ABOSULUTE God is unimaginable, or invisible and beyond your logic or comprehension. Such Absoulte God do not have any co-ordinate.His existence is not like the existence of worldly items. For example, you say that 'table' exists, since you have prior knowledge of table then you say that table exists. Table already existed and you know that in this world, hence you are describing table which is an item of creation by so and so.

But God's existence is not like this. He exists not like the existence of worldly items.

Such God comes to this world to preach divine knowledge for the upliftment of human souls, by entering a most deserving devotee existing on the earth known as Son of God. Thus the absolute GOd enters into the Son of God and the combination is called HUMAN INCARNATION..

THus in Human Incarnation, both God and Son of God exists in the same humanbody. The SOn of God is very dear and near to God so that He has fully surrendered to God. And God is pleased to enter Son of God for His mission in this world of preaching divine knowledge through the mouth of Son of GOD.

WhY God adopts this method of entering SON OF GOD? It is for our own benefit only. By doing so, God can come to us in human form in the most natural way, by this His people can approach and mingle with HIm freely and clear all their spiritual doubts in the most natural way,without any tension and anxiety.

God uses the properties of Son of GOD like, thirst, hunger, sleep etc to mingle with people and God uses His own property of divine knoweldge to preach the human beings through the mouth of Son of God.

Thus Human incarnation is a house in which God lives along with Son of God who has become a slave of God in that house. The owner of house is the God. Son of God is just a servant. By this Son of God is glorified. The place where God lives is called a pious place or Temple of God. Son of God is a temple of God, since God lives only in Son of God not anywhere else. God is fully alive in Son of God. Hence present Human incarnation is the GOD HIMSELF. Since God is alive in Him all the time and stays in Him and speaks through the mouth of Son of God.

Thus Son of God and God are one and the same when Son of God is alive in this world. This is because God is always present in the body of the Son of God.

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« Reply #1073 on: December 01, 2010, 02:17:29 AM »

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I am talking about Jesus christ who comes in every human generation to preach.
Could you please tell me where it is written that JESUS comes in every generation? I want you to be specific.
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« Reply #1074 on: December 01, 2010, 02:18:03 AM »

God in human form is not a preacher?

God in human form is a preacher who preaches the truth. Other preachers cannot preach the full truth hence their preaching is mingled with lot of ignorance and very little truth to suit their corresponding level of listeners.

This is also by the arragement of God alone such preachers are preaching to cater to a low level. If God preaches truth to them then they all will run away. So to maintain deovtion in them and to uplift them to the next level there are lot of spontaneously generated human preachers who preach with little truth and lot of ignorance. There levels in their category.

The highest preacher is the God Himself who comes in human form where in the true knowledge is preached without any ignorance mingled in it. Hence the audience of such God in human form is very little....
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« Reply #1075 on: December 01, 2010, 02:19:45 AM »

So, Maitreya should have no followers because of the harshness of the true divine knowledge.

I never told that Maitreya is a God in human form.

You have to decide the human incarnation of Lord based on the spiritual knowledge i.e., radiating from Him. The Sun is recognized by light. A solar battery, which also emits light, is a partial Sun only because the light of the Sun and the light of the solar battery are qualitatively same though differs quantitatively. Therefore, a partial incarnation of God charged by the power of God is also qualitatively God Himself.

 The quantitative difference need not be discussed because sometimes the devotees of lower level require only a partial true knowledge. You have to decide the incarnation of God from the quality of the spiritual knowledge forgetting the quantitative differences in the same spiritual knowledge. If the spiritual knowledge is darkness and ignorance, you have to reject such a person since he will be the incarnation of Satan. Therefore, you have to decide the incarnation of God based on the quality of the spiritual knowledge. The name, form and external culture are only the material of the cup, which cannot decide the material present in the cup.

If the material in the golden cup is Satan like the salt water, such a gold cup is incarnation of Satan. If Nectar is present even in an ordinary ceramic cup, you have to take the cup as the incarnation of God. If the Nectar is full, it is complete incarnation of God. If little, it is partial incarnation of God. Therefore, Nostradamus stressed mainly on the material inside the cup, which is the Universal Spirituality and Science. The external physical signs like three seas, Thursday etc., should be neglected. You have to decide the genius of Nostradamus based on the knowledge radiated by such genius. You pay for the material inside the cup and not for the material in the cup, because you can swallow only the material present inside the cup and get the benefit.

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« Reply #1076 on: December 01, 2010, 02:22:39 AM »

You have no real followers here.


The real human incarnation does not expect anything from anybody. Only, we have to decide. If you do something according to the expectation of God then we will aspire for some result. ‘Oh! I have done according to Your expectation then what is the fruit for this’. Such idea comes. Suppose you do something without any expectation from God by yourself; then you cannot expect anything in return for your service. If you expect something, God will say, ‘did I ask you to do this? I never asked to do this’. Suppose you have done something by yourself.

You have participated in the mission by yourself. You have done some service without the expectation of God, then you cannot ask God for some result. Suppose God expects you to participate in the service and you have participated. Then there is a chance to ask God for some result. The disciple may argue like you expected something from me and I fulfilled it; then protect me and do something to me. Such tendency may develop.

There is atleast a chance to ask like that. So, one should participate in the mission of God without any expectation from God. He should not bother about the expectation of the God. He should do the service to God by himself and by his own interest. When he does by himself, never in his mind will he get any aspiration or result from God. That is the best process.
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« Reply #1077 on: December 01, 2010, 02:25:42 AM »

You have to decide the incarnation of God from the quality of the spiritual knowledge forgetting the quantitative differences in the same spiritual knowledge. If the spiritual knowledge is darkness and ignorance, you have to reject such a person since he will be the incarnation of Satan. .....
If the material in the golden cup is Satan like the salt water, such a gold cup is incarnation of Satan. If Nectar is present even in an ordinary ceramic cup, you have to take the cup as the incarnation of God. If the Nectar is full, it is complete incarnation of God. If little, it is partial incarnation of God.
I would say that Nectar is not the incarnation of God and salt water is not the incarnation of Satan, and so the quality of a statement to the contrary  is quite low and ignorant.
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« Reply #1078 on: December 01, 2010, 02:26:42 AM »


So you're saying Maitreya is a fraud because you claim he's not human?   Huh

There are preachers to cater to people at lower level. Such preachers are not God in human, only God's power exists in them to preach at that lower level.Such preachers mainly concentrate on justice and repeat whatever preached by the previous past human incarnation. They cannot preach wonderful divine knoweldge which God alone can preach. They simply repeat what past human incarnations told. They cannot generate exceptional divine knoweldge. These preachers are also not bad since they propagate the name of God.

For the people who are at the basic level, the knowledge should be mixed with several defects. Wrong knowledge must be mixed then only the basic people will follow. Slowly as they climb, the wrong knowledge should be removed and the correct knowledge must be exposed. If you mix the wrong knowledge then only basic people are attracted. For example, if you say ‘do this prayer, your problem will be solved’ then people are attracted.

For dealing with such masses, there are several gurus, who take the help of God and want to earn something by showing God’s power to solve their problems and such people are there several already. Though they have those defects, they have got one merit that they divert people to God and they are not atheists.

You can treat it as some LKG class or elementary class. For such elementary classes, there is no need of effort of God to preach because several people are already generated naturally for peraching at that level. They want to lead people in wrong line and earn something. Though they are in wrong line, they have one merit and that is approaching God. By frequent approach to God, your love to God also will increase. As your problems are solved, you will get more and more acquaintance with God. Then you start thinking about God, analyze about God and finally knowledge about God.


Therefore, it is also a basic step and one should not condemn it. For that, there is no need of effort of God because without His effort already the defective people and wrong gurus are several in the creation, spontaouesly produced for their livelilyhood and fame. God need not put any effort to generate gurus for masses. Gurus are spontaneously generated for masses. Only for higher level, God puts effort because for higher level people, the gurus are not spontaneously generated. For higher level, a real Guru is needed. Jesus is only one guru meant for the higher level. But, if you take wrong gurus, there were several.

 All those priests, who condemned Jesus and crucified were of those type only. They also believed in God. They did not oppose God. You cannot condemn them completely, though they are fond of money and fame and they have all nonsense of business; in spite of all these negative points, there is one positive point and that is that they accepted God. Jesus need not put effort to create such priests because the nature itself has spontaneous arrangement to create such false gurus suitable to the lower level. God does not take any effort for that. Already natural set up is there.
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« Reply #1079 on: December 01, 2010, 02:28:53 AM »

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I am talking about Jesus christ who comes in every human generation to preach.
Could you please tell me where it is written that JESUS comes in every generation? I want you to be specific.

God is the most genius in this world. His words are logical and highly practical and without any confusion.


The word Jesus means the eternal God present in that human body. The same human body will never come again. Therefore, Jesus will come in another human body. If you restrict to only two human incarnations according the direct meaning of statement, then Bible contradicts Gita.

Gita says that God will come in human form any number of times whenever there is necessity. I have to speak keeping all these scriptures in my view. You speak only keeping one scripture in your view. This is the reason for the gap between us. To solve the contradiction I will say that Jesus will come again and this does not mean that He will come once only again. The tribulation is present in every generation and is not limited to a particular period.

I am speaking about the God in flesh, who comes in every human generation. I am telling that you should identify such human incarnation and worship Him. The disciples cannot be the human incarnations and so the disciples of Jesus were correct. Whoever is the human incarnation like Jesus, Krishna etc, should be worshipped. I have given the signs of the human incarnation as present in scriptures. I have also asked you to use your logic in such identification. After all this, if you identify me as the human incarnation, then only you have to worship me. I never say that I am the human incarnation and you should worship me.

 Krishna also told Arjuna to worship Him as the human incarnation. I never told like that. I only say that after the analysis of the scriptures, whoever is found as the human incarnation, He should be worshipped. If you are found as the human incarnation you should be worshipped. How can I force anybody to worship me? I have accepted the worship of those devotees only who have firm faith in Me even after My several negative tests. That does not apply to your case. Whomever you find as the human incarnation you worship Him. My information to you is that the human incarnation exists in every generation to avoid the partiality.
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