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Metropolitan Chrysostomos of Myron, the third ranking bishop of the Ecumenical Patriarchate, received in the monastery of Esphigmenou as a true bishop, in episcopal mantia and escorted by the monks to his seat on the bishop's throne (see photo)

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http://www.romfea.gr/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6099:2010-10-19-11-43-19&catid=13

Can this be confirmed from other sources?



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Re: Esphigmenou: EP Metropolitan Received in monastery as a true Bishop
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2010, 03:42:34 PM »
How far is it to St. Panteleimon?

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Re: Esphigmenou: EP Metropolitan Received in monastery as a true Bishop
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2010, 04:38:15 PM »
The article didn't indicate that the picture was from the monastery; oftentimes newspapers take pictures of someone from another event if they can't find one from the actual event.  Are other news sources reporting that he was received in this way?
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Re: Esphigmenou: EP Metropolitan Received in monastery as a true Bishop
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2010, 04:41:32 PM »
Who's in charge of the monastery right now? The Old Calendarists or the mainstream Orthodox?

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Re: Esphigmenou: EP Metropolitan Received in monastery as a true Bishop
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2010, 04:43:30 PM »
Who's in charge of the monastery right now? The Old Calendarists or the mainstream Orthodox?

The Old Calendarists.* The priests of the monastery are ordained by our Church in Greece.


(* But since everyone is on the Old Calendar there, our Fathers are called the Zealot Fathers or the Non-Commemorators).
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Re: Esphigmenou: EP Metropolitan Received in monastery as a true Bishop
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2010, 05:00:36 PM »
Who's in charge of the monastery right now? The Old Calendarists or the mainstream Orthodox?

The Old Calendarists.* The priests of the monastery are ordained by our Church in Greece.

Interesting. I had the impression that I read somewhere about their eviction...


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Re: Esphigmenou: EP Metropolitan Received in monastery as a true Bishop
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2010, 05:16:26 PM »
Who's in charge of the monastery right now? The Old Calendarists or the mainstream Orthodox?

The Old Calendarists.* The priests of the monastery are ordained by our Church in Greece.

Interesting. I had the impression that I read somewhere about their eviction...



The article says that he was received in the monastery by the "schismatic brotherhood."

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Re: Esphigmenou: EP Metropolitan Received in monastery as a true Bishop
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2010, 05:41:50 PM »
Could one of the Greek-speakers provide a translation of the newsreport? TIA.

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Re: Esphigmenou: EP Metropolitan Received in monastery as a true Bishop
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2010, 06:32:50 PM »
I ran the article through Google translate:

Exclusive - According to exclusive information «Romfea.gr» His Eminence Metropolitan Chrysostomos of Myra, visited yesterday afternoon by road to the monastery of Esphigmenou (schismatic fraternity).

The fact he made himself known to Metropolitan Chrysostomos of Myra, a congregation of worshipers had a monastery on Mount Athos.

Information «Romfea.gr» indicate that the Metropolitan Chrysostom did not meet with the Abbot Methodius as missing, but with the replacement of Father Gregory.

Father Gregory welcomed with joy the Bishop of Myra, who toured the church and its premises Esphigmenou.

As he said himself Bishop of the climate of the meeting was cordial than most of egkataviounton the monastery and had a constructive discussion.

Even information indicates that the duration of his Eminence the Esphigmenou lasted more than 45 minutes.

Finally, noting that the Metropolitan Chrysostomos of Myra is the third high priest of the Ecumenical Patriarchate, who went to Esphigmenou, since there had been 10 years ago by the Metropolitan Theodoroupoleos German and a few months ago visited the Metropolitan Michael of Austria.


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Re: Esphigmenou: EP Metropolitan Received in monastery as a true Bishop
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2010, 09:48:10 PM »
Who's in charge of the monastery right now? The Old Calendarists or the mainstream Orthodox?

The Old Calendarists.* The priests of the monastery are ordained by our Church in Greece.

Interesting. I had the impression that I read somewhere about their eviction...



They were evicted from their administrative offices in Karyes a few years ago.
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Re: Esphigmenou: EP Metropolitan Received in monastery as a true Bishop
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2010, 08:56:52 PM »
I see that NFTU has an article on the events at Esphigmenou.  The web master is the Milan Deacon Joseph Suaiden and he says that this may be the endgame for Esphigmenou.  Since Fr Joseph has his finger on the pulse of all that takes place in the GOC world he probably knows more than we do and has assessed the situation better than we are able to.

"Endgame for Esphigmenou Monastery?"

http://news-nftu.blogspot.com/2010/10/endgame-for-esphigmenou-monastery.html


The Brotherhood at Esphigmenou is divided among  several Old Calendarist factions.  Fr Methodios who is abbot of Esphigmenou is a member of the Church of the late +Chrysostomos II of Athens and we have two members of his Church on the Forum, members of HOTCA, the Church's American segment under Met Paulos of Astoria.

I am wondering if the HOTCA members have solid news of what is happening at Esphigmenou?  Is Deacon Joseph Suaiden right in his suggestion that this is now the endgame for the monastery?


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Re: Esphigmenou: EP Metropolitan Received in monastery as a true Bishop
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2010, 07:23:11 PM »
I think His Holiness actually dialoguing with dissenters is a step forward, and an improvement over issuing high-handed encyclicals likethis. I hope he will do it with the non-schismatic Athonites as well.

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Re: Esphigmenou: EP Metropolitan Received in monastery as a true Bishop
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2010, 08:13:52 PM »
The issue continues:

http://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2010/11/athonite-fathers-send-letter-to-phanar.html

This confirms that it was indeed the zealot monks of Esphigmenou who received the EP Metropolitan Chrysostomos as an authentic bishop and seated him on the episcopal throne.

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Re: Esphigmenou: EP Metropolitan Received in monastery as a true Bishop
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2010, 08:22:27 PM »
I think His Holiness actually dialoguing with dissenters is a step forward, and an improvement over issuing high-handed encyclicals likethis. I hope he will do it with the non-schismatic Athonites as well.

The Ecumenical Patriarchate: the "Center of Orthodoxy."

How many Orthodox are there again?

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Re: Esphigmenou: EP Metropolitan Received in monastery as a true Bishop
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2010, 08:28:06 PM »
I think His Holiness actually dialoguing with dissenters is a step forward, and an improvement over issuing high-handed encyclicals likethis. I hope he will do it with the non-schismatic Athonites as well.

The Ecumenical Patriarchate: the "Center of Orthodoxy."

How many Orthodox are there again?

Perhaps he meant "center" as in the Webster definition: "a facility providing a place for a particular activity or service."

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Re: Esphigmenou: EP Metropolitan Received in monastery as a true Bishop
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2010, 04:04:23 AM »
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Irish Hermit:
This confirms that it was indeed the zealot monks of Esphigmenou who received the EP Metropolitan Chrysostomos as an authentic bishop and seated him on the episcopal throne.

Father, Romfea who first published the story does not always post current photos, as sometimes they don't have access to them. I don't think the zealots received the Metropolitan as a Bishop or seated him on the Episcopal throne - Romfea simply put an old photo up, as they do for many articles in which they can't find a current photo.

Had the zealots received him as a true Bishop, then Romfea would certainly mention it.  
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Re: Esphigmenou: EP Metropolitan Received in monastery as a true Bishop
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2010, 01:14:11 PM »
I think His Holiness actually dialoguing with dissenters is a step forward, and an improvement over issuing high-handed encyclicals likethis. I hope he will do it with the non-schismatic Athonites as well.

I agree, this could be a very good sign, and as "#3" in the EP it might signal a more traditional future for the EP? Or at least some sort of agreement to allow New Calendar parishes to choose their own calendar and/or Old Calendar Churches to re-unite to some degree with the Ep someday??

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Re: Esphigmenou: EP Metropolitan Received in monastery as a true Bishop
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2010, 02:42:29 PM »
The Ecumenical Patriarchate has a long standing policy of allowing Old Calendar parishes and jurisdictions under it, to follow either calendar they chose, considering the calendar not an issue.  Mount Athos which is under its jurisdiction, being an example of that policy; the Ukrainian eparchies in the West, and ACROD are other examples.  The St. Irene Chrysovalontou Monastery in Astoria, Long Island, was a noted bastion of Old Calendarism when it was accepted by the Ecumenical Patriarchate in 1997.  (It is currently under investigation by the patriarchate and civil authorities for scandalous allegations, the Abbot has resigned, etc.)

Remember, however, many Old Calendarists consider the calendar only one reason for their separation, so called "modernism" and ecumenical activities being among the primary reasons.
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Re: Esphigmenou: EP Metropolitan Received in monastery as a true Bishop
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2011, 02:03:42 AM »
Any further information on this, or what was discussed in the thread pretty much the end of it?

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Re: Esphigmenou: EP Metropolitan Received in monastery as a true Bishop
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2011, 08:45:57 AM »
The Ecumenical Patriarchate has a long standing policy of allowing Old Calendar parishes and jurisdictions under it, to follow either calendar they chose, considering the calendar not an issue.  Mount Athos which is under its jurisdiction, being an example of that policy; the Ukrainian eparchies in the West, and ACROD are other examples.  The St. Irene Chrysovalontou Monastery in Astoria, Long Island, was a noted bastion of Old Calendarism when it was accepted by the Ecumenical Patriarchate in 1997.  (It is currently under investigation by the patriarchate and civil authorities for scandalous allegations, the Abbot has resigned, etc.)

Remember, however, many Old Calendarists consider the calendar only one reason for their separation, so called "modernism" and ecumenical activities being among the primary reasons.

Thank you, that does help my understanding of the issue :)