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« on: January 02, 2014, 12:33:21 PM »

says deputy minister Rabbi Eli Ben Dahan

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.566021

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Homosexual Jews have "higher souls" than gentiles, gay or straight, the deputy minister for religious services told the Israeli daily Maariv in an article published on Friday.

Unfortunately no link to the original article where he made this quote and the paper is hebrew.

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« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2014, 12:37:20 PM »

Do you understand hebrew?
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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2014, 01:17:01 PM »

Sigh, if you scratch around you will find all sorts of opinions on about anything. The good Rabbi has his opinion, and a 'superiority' complex to boot. Leave him to it, I would suggest.
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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2014, 01:20:27 PM »

Sigh, if you scratch around you will find all sorts of opinions on about anything. The good Rabbi has his opinion, and a 'superiority' complex to boot. Leave him to it, I would suggest.
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« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2014, 01:28:43 PM »

says deputy minister Rabbi Eli Ben Dahan



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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2014, 02:20:12 PM »

Do you understand hebrew?

No. I suppose I could try google translate but I am too lazy atm.
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2014, 02:27:52 PM »

Sigh, if you scratch around you will find all sorts of opinions on about anything. The good Rabbi has his opinion, and a 'superiority' complex to boot. Leave him to it, I would suggest.

Sure, there are crazy/racist people everywhere. But this guy is a government official...!

I can just imagine the newspaper articles if a politician from a Christian nation was to say such a thing. It's just so bizarre, like something out of Nazi Germany!

Aren't Orthodox Jews supposedly the group with the highest birth rate in Israel? People fear the Muslims in the ME but I am wondering if it should be the Orthodox Jews... but that is for another thread.
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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2014, 02:44:15 PM »

Do you understand hebrew?

No. I suppose I could try google translate but I am too lazy atm.

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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2014, 02:51:31 PM »

What does that even mean, "higher souls"? What a nutcase.
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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2014, 02:58:49 PM »

What does that even mean, "higher souls"? What a nutcase.

The world is full of them.  Nutcases, that is  Grin.
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« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2014, 03:01:23 PM »

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Even so, he would oppose any same-sex marriage bill, just as he would oppose marriage between a Jew and a gentile, said Rabbi Eli Ben Dahan, a member of the right-wing Habayit Hayehudi party
Why he's a homophobe and a RACIST!

Imagine if a Catholic/Orthodox priest said he's against marriage between a Christian and a Jew?

But when the good Rabbi states such nonsense, it's just him observing his "religion".

Different rulez for Jewz.........as usual. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2014, 03:03:23 PM »

What does that even mean, "higher souls"? What a nutcase.

The world is full of them.  Nutcases, that is  Grin.

But which countries actually vote these racist nutcases outside of Israeli Jews, French and Hungarians?
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« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2014, 03:08:48 PM »

What does that even mean, "higher souls"? What a nutcase.
I can gurantee they don't have more "soul" than these peeps...... Grin







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« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2014, 04:43:03 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2014, 02:25:03 PM »

What does that even mean, "higher souls"? What a nutcase.

Since New Years Day, there apparently are plenty of higher souls in the state of Colorado.
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« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2014, 03:22:41 PM »

Sigh, if you scratch around you will find all sorts of opinions on about anything. The good Rabbi has his opinion, and a 'superiority' complex to boot. Leave him to it, I would suggest.

Sure, there are crazy/racist people everywhere. But this guy is a government official...!

I can just imagine the newspaper articles if a politician from a Christian nation was to say such a thing. It's just so bizarre, like something out of Nazi Germany!

Aren't Orthodox Jews supposedly the group with the highest birth rate in Israel? People fear the Muslims in the ME but I am wondering if it should be the Orthodox Jews... but that is for another thread.

Orthodox Jews in Israel are very extremist, I usually compare them to the Ayatollahs in Iran. Of course, I used to compare Mutran Atallah Hanna of the same thing before I started looking into Orthodoxy and left Christian Zionism.
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« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2014, 03:38:08 PM »

What does that even mean, "higher souls"? What a nutcase.

Since New Years Day, there apparently are plenty of higher souls in the state of Colorado.
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« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2014, 03:27:13 AM »

What does that even mean, "higher souls"? What a nutcase.

Since New Years Day, there apparently are plenty of higher souls in the state of Colorado.

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« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2014, 03:42:05 AM »

I don't why this forum is so anti-Semitic. Once you get past the annoying ethnocentrism, Jews are a very hardworking people and they generally don't complain very much because they're used to being treated like crap. I actually don't mind them; they're good people IMO. More rational and sober minded than most other theists.
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« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2014, 03:51:16 AM »

I disagree that (all) Jews are Semites (by virtue of being Jews), but all the Jews I have known have been hard-working, decent people. Their coreligionists should definitely get out of Palestine and give up the dream of Jerusalem as the capital of their mythical Jewish state (whatever happened to Israel being secular? Hertzl envisioned Israel as a secular state, and he certainly wasn't the only Zionist of his time to think that way), but that says nothing about individual Jewish people.

I dunno. My mother was a Christian all her life, but her two best friends in the world were the mothers of two of our small town's only Jewish families. One of them would invite us over every year for their Passover meal, and let us come to their house out in the country and cut down one of their trees for a Christmas tree. Jews can be great people or terrible people, just like any people. The state of Israel is the problem.
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« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2014, 03:58:44 AM »

I disagree that (all) Jews are Semites (by virtue of being Jews), but all the Jews I have known have been hard-working, decent people. Their coreligionists should definitely get out of Palestine and give up the dream of Jerusalem as the capital of their mythical Jewish state (whatever happened to Israel being secular? Hertzl envisioned Israel as a secular state, and he certainly wasn't the only Zionist of his time to think that way), but that says nothing about individual Jewish people.

I dunno. My mother was a Christian all her life, but her two best friends in the world were the mothers of two of our small town's only Jewish families. One of them would invite us over every year for their Passover meal, and let us come to their house out in the country and cut down one of their trees for a Christmas tree. Jews can be great people or terrible people, just like any people. The state of Israel is the problem.

Is Israel really any worse than the countless European empires that forcibly colonized land that didn't belongs to them or America invading Iraq and screwing the place up? I don't get how any Westerner could complain about Israel given what we've done...
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« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2014, 04:57:32 AM »

I complained about Iraq, too. Heck, I still complain about Iraq's (Mesopotamia's/Beth Nahrain's) invasion by the Muslim Arabs. The key, though, is that Iraq is not my country. By contrast, Palestine is the country of large numbers of the people who complain about it (e.g., Palestinians, progressive Israelis, etc). All I'm essentially doing is agreeing with them, and disagreeing with the fake "Israel" that was planted on top of them by the Zionists, no differently than I do about "Islamic Egypt" (boo!), "Iraq", "Turkey", etc. Basically, most modern states are built on top of some preexisting peoples and cultures, and if those people would like their land back, who am I to tell them they can't have it? Also, regarding Israel: I don't believe in Jewish ethnicity, nor Judaism as a religion, nor the necessity of a "Jewish state", so what positive things am I supposed to think about Israel?
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« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2014, 08:20:23 AM »

I don't why this forum is so anti-Semitic.

On what basis do you make that claim?
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« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2014, 08:26:04 AM »

Imagine if a Catholic/Orthodox priest said he's against marriage between a Christian and a Jew?

It's done all the time. Your point?

I don't believe in Jewish ethnicity, nor Judaism as a religion, nor the necessity of a "Jewish state", so what positive things am I supposed to think about Israel?

Hm....
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« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2014, 11:45:41 AM »

I don't why this forum is so anti-Semitic.

On what basis do you make that claim?

Yes, I was about to ask the same question...
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« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2014, 11:58:12 AM »

I disagree that (all) Jews are Semites (by virtue of being Jews), but all the Jews I have known have been hard-working, decent people. Their coreligionists should definitely get out of Palestine and give up the dream of Jerusalem as the capital of their mythical Jewish state (whatever happened to Israel being secular? Hertzl envisioned Israel as a secular state, and he certainly wasn't the only Zionist of his time to think that way), but that says nothing about individual Jewish people.

I have no problem with Jews establishing a country in Palestine. Their faith, culture is linked to that place. I personally don't like how they are going about it...


I dunno. My mother was a Christian all her life, but her two best friends in the world were the mothers of two of our small town's only Jewish families. One of them would invite us over every year for their Passover meal, and let us come to their house out in the country and cut down one of their trees for a Christmas tree. Jews can be great people or terrible people, just like any people. The state of Israel is the problem.

Agreed. I worked for a Jewish migrant family, with some members lost to Auschwitz, for 10 years. I have no complains. Like you said, hard working.
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« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2014, 12:21:57 PM »

If practicing Judaism were limited to people of a particular ethnicity, then you would be correct. But it's not and you aren't.

A Chabad Rabbi that I spoke with had something to say that, while not directly relevant, is interesting. When he was asked about Judaism receiving converts, he rather clearly said that any such people have Hebrew blood in their history whether they know it or not. Their conversion require they have it, and their desire to convert show they do. When asked if the hypothetical convert were to be a full-blooded Japanese, even they had Hebrew blood at some point.
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« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2014, 12:45:45 PM »

The term 'anti-semitism' is misleading and is used where the term 'Jew hating' would be both clearer and more accurate.

Having had my children come home Orthodox summer camp telling of tales  related by their Arab compatriots of relatives shot with hands bound by plastic handcuffs. This done by IDF and their SLA allies. So I do not regard the Israelis as 'innocents'. Nor have I forgotten the murders of our young men by Irgun terrorists. Of course when Arabs do exactly the same Israeli propaganda labels them as 'terrorist' and the Irgun as freedom fighters.

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« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2014, 12:51:04 PM »

If practicing Judaism were limited to people of a particular ethnicity, then you would be correct. But it's not and you aren't.

A Chabad Rabbi that I spoke with had something to say that, while not directly relevant, is interesting. When he was asked about Judaism receiving converts, he rather clearly said that any such people have Hebrew blood in their history whether they know it or not. Their conversion require they have it, and their desire to convert show they do. When asked if the hypothetical convert were to be a full-blooded Japanese, even they had Hebrew blood at some point.
I've heard something similar, but instead of the convert having some biological Jewish ancestry, the convert was said to have been spiritually present near Mt. Sinai when Moses asked the Hebrews if they would follow HaShem.

Deuteronomy 29:13-14, “I make this covenant, with its sanctions, not with you alone, but both with those who are standing here with us this day before the Lord our God and with those who are not with us here this day.”

Those "not with us" was then seen as referring to those not physically present, but present in their soul/spirit-form. All Jewish souls were at Mt. Sinai, but some of them -- now in their physical bodies -- are just now converting.
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« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2014, 01:41:31 PM »

I've heard something similar, but instead of the convert having some biological Jewish ancestry, the convert was said to have been spiritually present near Mt. Sinai when Moses asked the Hebrews if they would follow HaShem.

Deuteronomy 29:13-14, “I make this covenant, with its sanctions, not with you alone, but both with those who are standing here with us this day before the Lord our God and with those who are not with us here this day.”

Those "not with us" was then seen as referring to those not physically present, but present in their soul/spirit-form. All Jewish souls were at Mt. Sinai, but some of them -- now in their physical bodies -- are just now converting.


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« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2014, 02:08:49 PM »

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If practicing Judaism were limited to people of a particular ethnicity, then you would be correct. But it's not and you aren't.

Depends on whom you ask, doesn't it? Isn't the opinion of Orthodox Jewish authorities in Israel that one has to at least have a Jewish mother to be really a Jew? That it's not a thing one can convert to and all the sudden be considered really Jewish. It's not just a faith.
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« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2014, 02:11:11 PM »

I disagree that (all) Jews are Semites (by virtue of being Jews), but all the Jews I have known have been hard-working, decent people. Their coreligionists should definitely get out of Palestine and give up the dream of Jerusalem as the capital of their mythical Jewish state (whatever happened to Israel being secular? Hertzl envisioned Israel as a secular state, and he certainly wasn't the only Zionist of his time to think that way), but that says nothing about individual Jewish people.

I dunno. My mother was a Christian all her life, but her two best friends in the world were the mothers of two of our small town's only Jewish families. One of them would invite us over every year for their Passover meal, and let us come to their house out in the country and cut down one of their trees for a Christmas tree. Jews can be great people or terrible people, just like any people. The state of Israel is the problem.

Is Israel really any worse than the countless European empires that forcibly colonized land that didn't belongs to them or America invading Iraq and screwing the place up? I don't get how any Westerner could complain about Israel given what we've done...

Well, Israel IS a Western colony.
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« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2014, 02:47:18 PM »

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Even so, he would oppose any same-sex marriage bill, just as he would oppose marriage between a Jew and a gentile, said Rabbi Eli Ben Dahan, a member of the right-wing Habayit Hayehudi party
Why he's a homophobe and a RACIST!
If practicing Judaism were limited to people of a particular ethnicity, then you would be correct. But it's not and you aren't.

Depends on whom you ask, doesn't it? Isn't the opinion of Orthodox Jewish authorities in Israel that one has to at least have a Jewish mother to be really a Jew? That it's not a thing one can convert to and all the sudden be considered really Jewish. It's not just a faith.

"The State of Israel adopted the Orthodox conversion process as the official conversion, and this is acceptable to all different streams of Judaism. This Guide is designed to help familiarize you with the various stages that you or your family must undergo during the conversion process.
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The conversion process consists of the five following steps:
1. Presenting documents and enrolling to conversion process
2. Judaism studies in a conversion course
3. Applying to a conversion court
4. A ceremony in the Rabbinical court which includes an immersion in a Mikveh (women and men) and performing a Brit Mila [circumcision: ouch!] (men).
5. Getting a conversion certificate and updating religion status in the Ministry of Interior.

Any person who successfully completes the conversion process then becomes a “Jew for all intents and purposes” and his status is identical to that of any other Jew, born to a Jewish mother. The process is irreversible and once you have been declared Jewish, you will not be able to convert back to your previous religion."
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