"Please don't enter the legal system as a barrister and solicitor."
I have no interest in being a liar... er, I mean lawyer!
"You haven't provided any data, scientific or otherwise, to back up any of your statements.
If you are going to claim something to be scientifically provable on this forum, you better have the data/research to back such a statement up."
Check it out:Christ Conquers
"Christianity is really the only religion that explains how redemption as we think of it is possible."
(Orthodox) Christianity is not a religion.
"Would you please demostrate how these "mathematical odds" that you claim are proof are calculated? What are they based upon?"
They are base upon the prophecies found in the Old Testament regarding the coming of the Messiah; the Christ.
There are hundreds of fulfilled prophecies relating to Jesus being Christ (at least 456). What are the chances that one man (Who was born and died where
the prophets said He would be) could fulfill them all?
In the late sixties, a man named Peter Stoner who was Professor Emeritus of Science at Westmont College, calculated the probability of one man fulfilling the major prophecies made concerning the Christ. The estimates were worked out by himself and twelve different classes under his supervision representing some 600 university students.
The students carefully weighed all the factors, discussed each prophecy at length, and examined the various circumstances which might indicate that men had conspired together to fulfill a particular prophecy. They made their estimates conservative enough so that there was finally unanimous agreement even among the most skeptical students.
However Professor Stoner then took their estimates, and made them even more conservative. He also encouraged other skeptics or scientists to make their own estimates to see if his conclusions were more than fair. Finally, he submitted his figures for review to a committee of the American Scientific Affiliation. Upon examination, they verified that his calculations were dependable and accurate in regard to the scientific material presented.
After examining only eight
different prophecies, they conservatively estimated that the chance of one man fulfilling all eight prophecies was one in 1017
To illustrate how large the number 1017
IS (a figure with 17 zeros), Stoner gave this illustration :
If you mark one of ten tickets, and place all the tickets in a hat, and thoroughly stir them, and then ask a blindfolded man to draw one, his chance of getting the right ticket is one in ten. Suppose that we take 1017
silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas. They'll cover all of the whole state two feet deep
Now mark one of these silver dollars and stir the whole mass thoroughly, all over the state. Blindfold a man and tell him that he can travel as far as he wishes, but he must pick up just one
silver dollar and say that this is the right one. What chance would he have of getting the right one?
Just the same chance that the prophets would've had of writing these eight prophecies and having them all come true in any one man.
But, of course, there are many more than eight prophecies. In another calculation, Stoner used 48 prophecies (even though he could have used 456), and arrived at the still extremely conservative estimate that the probability of 48 prophecies being fulfilled in one person is the incredible number 10157
How large is the number one in 10157
contains 157 zeros! Stoner gives an illustration of this number using electrons. Electrons are very small objects. They're smaller than atoms. It would take more than 2.5 TIMES 1,000,000,000,000,000 of them, laid side by side, to make one inch. Even if we counted 250 of these electrons each minute, and counted day and night, it would still take 19 million years just to count a line of electrons one-inch long.
With this introduction, let's go back to our chance of one in 10157
. Let's suppose that we're taking this number of electrons, marking one, and thoroughly stirring it into the whole mass, then blindfolding a man and letting him try to find the right one. What chance has he of finding the right one?
This is the result from considering a mere 48 prophecies. Obviously, the probability that 456 prophecies would be fulfilled in one man by chance is vastly smaller. Once one goes past one chance in 1050
, the probabilities are so small that it is all but impossible to think that they will ever occur.
As Stoner concludes in his book (Science Speaks, Chicago: Moody Press, 1969),"Any man who rejects Christ as the Son of God is rejecting a fact, proved perhaps more absolutely than any other fact in the world."
(Stoner, op. cit., 112)
God so thoroughly vindicated Jesus Christ that even mathematicians and statisticians, who were without faith, had to acknowledge that it is scientifically impossible to deny that Jesus is the Christ.
"What astronomical object are you thinking of, please?"
The Star of Bethlehem!