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« on: October 15, 2010, 06:06:28 PM »
Considering his belief in the toll houses, would it be wrong of me to print out an icon of Father Seraphim Rose to add to my corner?
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Re: Father Seraphim Rose Icon
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2010, 06:15:29 PM »
No. Many saints believed in the tollhouses.

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Re: Father Seraphim Rose Icon
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2010, 06:22:18 PM »
A rather touching photograph of Archbishop Lazar of the OCA, a very committed anti-toller, censing an icon of Fr Seraphim Rose, a very committed toller


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Re: Father Seraphim Rose Icon
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2010, 06:25:11 PM »
I assumed so, thought I'd consulted the much more learned people on here though first.

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Re: Father Seraphim Rose Icon
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2010, 06:29:21 PM »
Considering his belief in the toll houses, would it be wrong of me to print out an icon of Father Seraphim Rose to add to my corner?
Has the doctrine of the toll houses ever been condemned as heresy?
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Re: Father Seraphim Rose Icon
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2010, 06:49:49 PM »
Considering his belief in the toll houses, would it be wrong of me to print out an icon of Father Seraphim Rose to add to my corner?
Has the doctrine of the toll houses ever been condemned as heresy?

In September-December 2001, in the official periodical  "Tserkovnaya Zhizn'" (Church Life) published by the Synod of Bishops of the Russian Church Aboard, there was an article on the toll houses by Protopresbyter Vassily Boshchanovskiy.

This article, approved by the bishops, describes the toll houses as an illustrative metaphor.  In other words it is in the same category as The Ladder of Saint John Climacus.

Neither the Ladder not the Toll houses can be seen as heretical if they are only illustrative metaphors.  If, however, somebody wishes to raise either of them to the level of doctrine or dogma the suspicion of heresy could be raised.

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Re: Father Seraphim Rose Icon
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2010, 06:55:47 PM »
A rather touching photograph of Archbishop Lazar of the OCA, a very committed anti-toller, censing an icon of Fr Seraphim Rose, a very committed toller



Photo doesn't want to show so I have put it at the bottom of the message.  Hope that works.

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Re: Father Seraphim Rose Icon
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2010, 07:15:30 PM »
Considering his belief in the toll houses, would it be wrong of me to print out an icon of Father Seraphim Rose to add to my corner?

As a fellow believer in the toll houses, you would get no objection from me.
I would be happy to agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong.

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Re: Father Seraphim Rose Icon
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2010, 07:34:40 PM »
Considering his belief in the toll houses, would it be wrong of me to print out an icon of Father Seraphim Rose to add to my corner?

(Not speaking of the sainthood, but merely about the potential for a saint being wrong about something...) no, there'd be nothing wrong with that: saints were always wrong about something, and sometimes about things much more important on the dogma/doctrine/opinion scale (though I admit that I can't recall a saint essentially writing an entire book about a subject about which they were wrong).
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Re: Father Seraphim Rose Icon
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2010, 07:38:20 PM »
Is that picture not in a church? How can there be an icon of Seraphim Rose in a church if he is not glorified?
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Re: Father Seraphim Rose Icon
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2010, 07:41:02 PM »
is that picture real?! i find that very hard to believe ...

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Re: Father Seraphim Rose Icon
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2010, 07:42:09 PM »
Considering his belief in the toll houses, would it be wrong of me to print out an icon of Father Seraphim Rose to add to my corner?

(Not speaking of the sainthood, but merely about the potential for a saint being wrong about something...) no, there'd be nothing wrong with that: saints were always wrong about something, and sometimes about things much more important on the dogma/doctrine/opinion scale (though I admit that I can't recall a saint essentially writing an entire book about a subject about which they were wrong).

That is an interesting point.
I would be happy to agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong.

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Re: Father Seraphim Rose Icon
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2010, 12:45:48 AM »
Many thanks, he is very inspiring.
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Re: Father Seraphim Rose Icon
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2010, 01:18:39 AM »
He's a saint. I love him, and plan to fly out to Platina whenever the day comes that he's glorified.

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Re: Father Seraphim Rose Icon
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2010, 01:35:56 AM »
Considering his belief in the toll houses, would it be wrong of me to print out an icon of Father Seraphim Rose to add to my corner?
Has the doctrine of the toll houses ever been condemned as heresy?

In September-December 2001, in the official periodical  "Tserkovnaya Zhizn'" (Church Life) published by the Synod of Bishops of the Russian Church Aboard, there was an article on the toll houses by Protopresbyter Vassily Boshchanovskiy.

This article, approved by the bishops, describes the toll houses as an illustrative metaphor.  In other words it is in the same category as The Ladder of Saint John Climacus.

Neither the Ladder not the Toll houses can be seen as heretical if they are only illustrative metaphors.  If, however, somebody wishes to raise either of them to the level of doctrine or dogma the suspicion of heresy could be raised.

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Re: Father Seraphim Rose Icon
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2010, 01:38:56 AM »
He's a saint. I love him, and plan to fly out to Platina whenever the day comes that he's glorified.
And I as well! I was talking to some monks about it at Holy Cross Hermitage and they said it would be great if he could be glorified on the 30th anniversary of his repose. Perhaps that will happen? In any event, I plan on purchasing an icon of Blessed Seraphim of Platina (I pray to him as a Saint in my private prayers) as soon as I can find a nice one and I would love to visit Platina, even if for a short period of time. I am so inspired by this holy man and all that he did to make the Holy Orthodox Faith of Jesus Christ accessible to us unworthy ones.

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Re: Father Seraphim Rose Icon
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2010, 03:25:46 AM »
Considering his belief in the toll houses, would it be wrong of me to print out an icon of Father Seraphim Rose to add to my corner?
Has the doctrine of the toll houses ever been condemned as heresy?

In September-December 2001, in the official periodical  "Tserkovnaya Zhizn'" (Church Life) published by the Synod of Bishops of the Russian Church Aboard, there was an article on the toll houses by Protopresbyter Vassily Boshchanovskiy.

This article, approved by the bishops, describes the toll houses as an illustrative metaphor.  In other words it is in the same category as The Ladder of Saint John Climacus.

Neither the Ladder not the Toll houses can be seen as heretical if they are only illustrative metaphors.  If, however, somebody wishes to raise either of them to the level of doctrine or dogma the suspicion of heresy could be raised.

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That was a rhetorical question.

It was a very good question since the answer will be useful to people.

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Re: Father Seraphim Rose Icon
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2010, 05:35:02 AM »
Considering his belief in the toll houses, would it be wrong of me to print out an icon of Father Seraphim Rose to add to my corner?
Has the doctrine of the toll houses ever been condemned as heresy?

In September-December 2001, in the official periodical  "Tserkovnaya Zhizn'" (Church Life) published by the Synod of Bishops of the Russian Church Aboard, there was an article on the toll houses by Protopresbyter Vassily Boshchanovskiy.

This article, approved by the bishops, describes the toll houses as an illustrative metaphor.  In other words it is in the same category as The Ladder of Saint John Climacus.

Neither the Ladder not the Toll houses can be seen as heretical if they are only illustrative metaphors.  If, however, somebody wishes to raise either of them to the level of doctrine or dogma the suspicion of heresy could be raised.

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That was a rhetorical question.

It was a very good question since the answer will be useful to people.
But I had hoped that Antonis would find the answer to my question himself and see how the answer applies to his question. Not every question demands that someone else answer it, which you had already done many times before.
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Re: Father Seraphim Rose Icon
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2010, 05:42:51 AM »
Considering his belief in the toll houses, would it be wrong of me to print out an icon of Father Seraphim Rose to add to my corner?
Has the doctrine of the toll houses ever been condemned as heresy?

In September-December 2001, in the official periodical  "Tserkovnaya Zhizn'" (Church Life) published by the Synod of Bishops of the Russian Church Aboard, there was an article on the toll houses by Protopresbyter Vassily Boshchanovskiy.

Father, is this article available anywhere online (in English or Russian)?

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Re: Father Seraphim Rose Icon
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2010, 06:05:03 AM »
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Father, is this article available anywhere online (in English or Russian)?

I do not know if it is on the Internet but I can send it to you if you would like.  Do you have an e-mail address in your profile?

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Re: Father Seraphim Rose Icon
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2010, 06:07:42 AM »
Considering his belief in the toll houses, would it be wrong of me to print out an icon of Father Seraphim Rose to add to my corner?
Has the doctrine of the toll houses ever been condemned as heresy?

In September-December 2001, in the official periodical  "Tserkovnaya Zhizn'" (Church Life) published by the Synod of Bishops of the Russian Church Aboard, there was an article on the toll houses by Protopresbyter Vassily Boshchanovskiy.

This article, approved by the bishops, describes the toll houses as an illustrative metaphor.  In other words it is in the same category as The Ladder of Saint John Climacus.

Neither the Ladder not the Toll houses can be seen as heretical if they are only illustrative metaphors.  If, however, somebody wishes to raise either of them to the level of doctrine or dogma the suspicion of heresy could be raised.

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That was a rhetorical question.

It was a very good question since the answer will be useful to people.
But I had hoped that Antonis would find the answer to my question himself and see how the answer applies to his question. Not every question demands that someone else answer it, which you had already done many times before.

Priests are conditioned to answer questions.  It becomes the habit of a lifetime to try and assist the faithful.  :laugh:

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Re: Father Seraphim Rose Icon
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2010, 06:15:00 AM »
I do not know if it is on the Internet but I can send it to you if you would like.

I will be grateful.

Do you have an e-mail address in your profile?

I believe I have now (until a moment ago I had it hidden).
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Re: Father Seraphim Rose Icon
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2010, 10:47:28 PM »
He's a saint. I love him, and plan to fly out to Platina whenever the day comes that he's glorified.

Same here. And I have always thought the Toll house theory was an opinion so it wasnt heretical or canonical. I happen to believe it.

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Re: Father Seraphim Rose Icon
« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2010, 10:59:48 PM »
I have an Icon of Fr. Seraphim Rose in my prayer corner as well - just a couple of feet to my left as I type this.  He has been a tremendous inspiration to me personally, and I pray for his intercession daily.