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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2016, 05:09:30 AM »
I have just been restored on CAF
Good to hear.

but I suspect I will be banned soon because my posts won't change.
Why not? Have you ever considered the possibility that it might not have been your disagreements that got you temporarily banned, but rather the tone and attitude in which you expressed your disagreements?

The tomne is very hard to convey... you could be very calm and level headed while using the "H" word but once they see that word no matter what you say, you're seen as uncharitable even when telling the truth is one of the greatest acts of charity.
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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #46 on: October 06, 2016, 05:14:30 AM »
Say it in Afrikaans.   They'll never catch on.    :laugh:

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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #47 on: October 06, 2016, 06:06:34 AM »
Why would you want to stay there? CAF sucks.
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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #48 on: October 06, 2016, 09:08:37 AM »
It's good to hear that your account is back.
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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #49 on: October 06, 2016, 09:13:18 AM »
Why would you want to stay there? CAF sucks.
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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #50 on: October 06, 2016, 09:15:08 AM »
On the rare occasion, CAF can have interesting conversations pop up. The best ones are when someone starts a thread about Orthodoxy and then Eastern Catholics try to correct Orthodox people about Orthodoxy. Those threads are always fun.
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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #51 on: October 06, 2016, 11:06:05 AM »
I like internet Catholicism. It's a nice reminder that Catholicism is really not as unified as some people seem to deem it to be.
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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2016, 11:27:35 AM »
The tomne is very hard to convey... you could be very calm and level headed while using the "H" word but once they see that word no matter what you say, you're seen as uncharitable even when telling the truth is one of the greatest acts of charity.

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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #53 on: October 06, 2016, 12:00:40 PM »
I like internet Catholicism. It's a nice reminder that Catholicism is really not as unified as some people seem to deem it to be.

Right. It's like the yin to the Orthodox Internet yang, where everybody seems like a crazy person but if you go to an actual parish people are pretty normal.
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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #54 on: October 06, 2016, 12:38:10 PM »
I like internet Catholicism. It's a nice reminder that Catholicism is really not as unified as some people seem to deem it to be.

Right. It's like the yin to the Orthodox Internet yang, where everybody seems like a crazy person but if you go to an actual parish people are pretty normal.

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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #55 on: October 06, 2016, 02:06:41 PM »
What is the "H" word?

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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #56 on: October 06, 2016, 02:07:40 PM »
I like internet Catholicism. It's a nice reminder that Catholicism is really not as unified as some people seem to deem it to be.

Really, who are the some people who deem it so?  I've never met any and I know a lot of Catholics in my own family.
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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #57 on: October 06, 2016, 02:40:25 PM »
I like internet Catholicism. It's a nice reminder that Catholicism is really not as unified as some people seem to deem it to be.

Right. It's like the yin to the Orthodox Internet yang, where everybody seems like a crazy person but if you go to an actual parish people are pretty normal.

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I like internet Catholicism. It's a nice reminder that Catholicism is really not as unified as some people seem to deem it to be.

Really, who are the some people who deem it so?  I've never met any and I know a lot of Catholics in my own family.

Catholicism around here is even more miniscule than Orthodoxy and people who convert to a religion with much ideals and too little contact to day-to-day life of religion tend to act weird.
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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #58 on: October 06, 2016, 04:50:25 PM »
I like internet Catholicism. It's a nice reminder that Catholicism is really not as unified as some people seem to deem it to be.

Right. It's like the yin to the Orthodox Internet yang, where everybody seems like a crazy person but if you go to an actual parish people are pretty normal.

Yup. Internet faith communities can be a bit like the wild west, ime.
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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #59 on: October 06, 2016, 05:06:11 PM »

I hope you are not under any illusions about OC.net, though. You will find a number of posters here who show little enthusiasm for the councils or what the Fathers have to say about certain subjects.

And the H word, or links to lectures about the H word by Father Josiah Trenham, are not allowed here either.

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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #60 on: October 07, 2016, 09:03:45 PM »
Say it in Afrikaans.   They'll never catch on.    :laugh:

lol I would but I don't speak Afrikaans
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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #61 on: October 07, 2016, 09:19:11 PM »
I like internet Catholicism. It's a nice reminder that Catholicism is really not as unified as some people seem to deem it to be.

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The first and the last seem similar to what we have started seeing since the 20th century. St Anthony's prophecy sounds awfully a lot like the language used at Vatican II... just thought this would be interesting :)
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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #62 on: October 07, 2016, 09:41:48 PM »
Say it in Afrikaans.   They'll never catch on.    :laugh:

lol I would but I don't speak Afrikaans
Oh... In that case, it's "hel."   Totally inconspicuous.   

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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #63 on: October 10, 2016, 02:14:55 AM »
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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #64 on: October 10, 2016, 08:55:18 AM »
On the rare occasion, CAF can have interesting conversations pop up. The best ones are when someone starts a thread about Orthodoxy and then Eastern Catholics try to correct Orthodox people about Orthodoxy. Those threads are always fun.
You said "try to." Does that mean they often do it wrongly?
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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #65 on: October 10, 2016, 12:16:38 PM »
On the rare occasion, CAF can have interesting conversations pop up. The best ones are when someone starts a thread about Orthodoxy and then Eastern Catholics try to correct Orthodox people about Orthodoxy. Those threads are always fun.
You said "try to." Does that mean they often do it wrongly?

Well it has only come up on a few occasions. At one point, I got into an argument with one who insisted that the Eastern view on marriage was a product of historical invention and due solely to the intermixture of Church and State in Byzantium (as though this only occurred in Byzantium). They mostly relied on John Meyendorf for the argument. I still have the feeling that they misrepresented Meyendorf, but at the time I did not have access to his works. Additionally, they tended to ignore any Orthodox theologian I put forward in favor of my position as some sort of historical revisionist. This debate ultimately made me look into the matter more from the Latin perspective and a little more on the Eastern Christian perspective. As it turns out, not to sound arrogant, I was mostly right to begin with. But by that point, the debate was long over. At least I got a blog post out of it and was more prepared when the subject came up here.
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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #66 on: October 10, 2016, 08:47:33 PM »
On the rare occasion, CAF can have interesting conversations pop up. The best ones are when someone starts a thread about Orthodoxy and then Eastern Catholics try to correct Orthodox people about Orthodoxy. Those threads are always fun.
You said "try to." Does that mean they often do it wrongly?

Well it has only come up on a few occasions. At one point, I got into an argument with one who insisted that the Eastern view on marriage was a product of historical invention and due solely to the intermixture of Church and State in Byzantium (as though this only occurred in Byzantium). They mostly relied on John Meyendorf for the argument. I still have the feeling that they misrepresented Meyendorf, but at the time I did not have access to his works. Additionally, they tended to ignore any Orthodox theologian I put forward in favor of my position as some sort of historical revisionist. This debate ultimately made me look into the matter more from the Latin perspective and a little more on the Eastern Christian perspective. As it turns out, not to sound arrogant, I was mostly right to begin with. But by that point, the debate was long over. At least I got a blog post out of it and was more prepared when the subject came up here.

I see. I thought you were referring to something else. Something like, "you better pick up your own liturgy book, EO brother, because you don't know what you're talking about." Lol.
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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #67 on: October 25, 2016, 03:40:25 PM »
And the H word, or links to lectures about the H word by Father Josiah Trenham, are not allowed here either.

I'm not sure what "H word" you are talking about, but as a point of order, I would like to clarify the other issue you raised.  It is not the case that links to lectures by Fr Josiah Trenham are not allowed on OCNet.  Posting commercial links without seeking permission of the forum administrator is prohibited, even if they are links to Fr Josiah Trenham merchandise.

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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #68 on: October 31, 2016, 09:54:35 PM »
I like internet Catholicism. It's a nice reminder that Catholicism is really not as unified as some people seem to deem it to be.

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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #69 on: November 14, 2016, 06:03:35 PM »
I guess openly criticizing Pope Francis and his exhortation Amoris Laetitia is not allowed there. No matter how much supporting documentation from councils you can use to prove his error. At CAF there is strange sense of Popolitry or Pope worship. They believe almost every utterance of the Pope is unquestionable and that he can't err. The seem to believe in personal infallibility of the Pope rather than what Vatican I defined. Correct them, you get banned  :)

The "H" word is not allowed there lol

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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #70 on: November 14, 2016, 10:34:48 PM »
I have just been restored on CAF
Good to hear.

but I suspect I will be banned soon because my posts won't change.
Why not? Have you ever considered the possibility that it might not have been your disagreements that got you temporarily banned, but rather the tone and attitude in which you expressed your disagreements?

The tomne is very hard to convey... you could be very calm and level headed while using the "H" word but once they see that word no matter what you say, you're seen as uncharitable even when telling the truth is one of the greatest acts of charity.
Could it have anything to do with the fact that Pope Francis in particular has no problem with writing things that Pope Pius XII, and many of their councils before that, would have called heresy? (is that the H word you're referring to, by any chance?)
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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #71 on: December 27, 2016, 09:20:21 PM »
I guess openly criticizing Pope Francis and his exhortation Amoris Laetitia is not allowed there. No matter how much supporting documentation from councils you can use to prove his error. At CAF there is strange sense of Popolitry or Pope worship. They believe almost every utterance of the Pope is unquestionable and that he can't err. The seem to believe in personal infallibility of the Pope rather than what Vatican I defined. Correct them, you get banned  :)

The "H" word is not allowed there lol

CAF is a cesspool of fake Catholicism.  Half of the respectable Catholics I know have been banned from that place.  You can disagree with Church teaching on any number of issues and be fine there.  You can start any number of threads about graphic sexual issues and be fine there.  If you try to articulate the Faith in the manner in which has always been understood, you will be gone. 

Let it roll off your back. 

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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #72 on: January 11, 2017, 02:19:56 AM »
CAF is a cesspool of fake Catholicism.  Half of the respectable Catholics I know have been banned from that place.  You can disagree with Church teaching on any number of issues and be fine there.  You can start any number of threads about graphic sexual issues and be fine there.  If you try to articulate the Faith in the manner in which has always been understood, you will be gone. 
Can you link me to a thread where I can see an example of respectable Catholics getting banned, just for articulating Catholic teaching? The skepticism in me suspects that there's more to story than that. I suspect that the majority of Catholics who get banned from there are hyper-traditionalists who think they know everything. And by that, I mean people who just post long monologues without really listening to what the other side of the argument has to say. Such people are only interested in convincing everyone that their opinion/interpretation is right, rather than having a two-way discussion. For obvious reason, that's not the spirit of a discussion forum. But of course, that's just my cynicism talking. I'm open to being convinced otherwise.
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Re: I think I have just been banned from CAF
« Reply #73 on: January 18, 2017, 02:32:58 PM »
Can you link me to a thread where I can see an example of respectable Catholics getting banned, just for articulating Catholic teaching? The skepticism in me suspects that there's more to story than that. I suspect that the majority of Catholics who get banned from there are hyper-traditionalists who think they know everything. And by that, I mean people who just post long monologues without really listening to what the other side of the argument has to say. Such people are only interested in convincing everyone that their opinion/interpretation is right, rather than having a two-way discussion. For obvious reason, that's not the spirit of a discussion forum. But of course, that's just my cynicism talking. I'm open to being convinced otherwise.

If someone is banned at CAF, they usually delete the post that got the user banned.