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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #225 on: September 21, 2016, 04:40:36 PM »
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #226 on: September 21, 2016, 04:50:05 PM »
Why would your political opinions have any effect on a question like that?

Stick with your name. That's probably a Saint's name anyway and the Saint has been praying for you all the way. I picked a Saint probably based probably on closest phonetic equivalent and felt at home right away. Quite the opposite to the phase when I tried to pick and choose some etymologically and for me personally meaningful option.
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #227 on: September 21, 2016, 05:21:45 PM »
Why would your political opinions have any effect on a question like that?

The idea is to find qualities in a saint with which you identify.

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Stick with your name. That's probably a Saint's name anyway and the Saint has been praying for you all the way. I picked a Saint probably based probably on closest phonetic equivalent and felt at home right away. Quite the opposite to the phase when I tried to pick and choose some etymologically and for me personally meaningful option.

I've been told that I cannot, and I don't particularly want to anyway. My priest requested that I choose a Russian or Byzantine name; whether this is for the purposes of keeping the cultural life of this ROCOR parish "alive" I didn't ask. I simply don't feel any affinity with St. William of Gellone, or any of the other obscure St. Williams of the pre-schism era, and associate them much more with the Latin church, which I really want nothing to do with.

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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #228 on: September 21, 2016, 05:23:49 PM »
You could just humbly submit to your priest and ask him to name you. After all, you are his spiritual child.

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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #229 on: September 22, 2016, 11:42:44 AM »
Why would your political opinions have any effect on a question like that?

The idea is to find qualities in a saint with which you identify.

Why an Earth?
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #230 on: September 22, 2016, 12:06:20 PM »
Why would your political opinions have any effect on a question like that?

The idea is to find qualities in a saint with which you identify.

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Stick with your name. That's probably a Saint's name anyway and the Saint has been praying for you all the way. I picked a Saint probably based probably on closest phonetic equivalent and felt at home right away. Quite the opposite to the phase when I tried to pick and choose some etymologically and for me personally meaningful option.

I've been told that I cannot, and I don't particularly want to anyway. My priest requested that I choose a Russian or Byzantine name; whether this is for the purposes of keeping the cultural life of this ROCOR parish "alive" I didn't ask. I simply don't feel any affinity with St. William of Gellone, or any of the other obscure St. Williams of the pre-schism era, and associate them much more with the Latin church, which I really want nothing to do with.
in which case a Russian or Greek name would be fine.

It is not, nor should it be made, necessary.

When you say it requested a "a Russian or Byzantine name" was that one that Russsians/Greeks have, or was it Yuri or Yiorgios over George?
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #231 on: September 22, 2016, 09:09:17 PM »
Why would your political opinions have any effect on a question like that?

The idea is to find qualities in a saint with which you identify.

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Stick with your name. That's probably a Saint's name anyway and the Saint has been praying for you all the way. I picked a Saint probably based probably on closest phonetic equivalent and felt at home right away. Quite the opposite to the phase when I tried to pick and choose some etymologically and for me personally meaningful option.

I've been told that I cannot, and I don't particularly want to anyway. My priest requested that I choose a Russian or Byzantine name; whether this is for the purposes of keeping the cultural life of this ROCOR parish "alive" I didn't ask. I simply don't feel any affinity with St. William of Gellone, or any of the other obscure St. Williams of the pre-schism era, and associate them much more with the Latin church, which I really want nothing to do with.
in which case a Russian or Greek name would be fine.

It is not, nor should it be made, necessary.

When you say it requested a "a Russian or Byzantine name" was that one that Russsians/Greeks have, or was it Yuri or Yiorgios over George?

The latter; ie. if I choose St. Basil the Great, I'll be Vasily within the church community.

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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #232 on: September 22, 2016, 10:05:39 PM »
Why would your political opinions have any effect on a question like that?

The idea is to find qualities in a saint with which you identify.

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Stick with your name. That's probably a Saint's name anyway and the Saint has been praying for you all the way. I picked a Saint probably based probably on closest phonetic equivalent and felt at home right away. Quite the opposite to the phase when I tried to pick and choose some etymologically and for me personally meaningful option.

I've been told that I cannot, and I don't particularly want to anyway. My priest requested that I choose a Russian or Byzantine name; whether this is for the purposes of keeping the cultural life of this ROCOR parish "alive" I didn't ask. I simply don't feel any affinity with St. William of Gellone, or any of the other obscure St. Williams of the pre-schism era, and associate them much more with the Latin church, which I really want nothing to do with.
in which case a Russian or Greek name would be fine.

It is not, nor should it be made, necessary.

When you say it requested a "a Russian or Byzantine name" was that one that Russsians/Greeks have, or was it Yuri or Yiorgios over George?

The latter; ie. if I choose St. Basil the Great, I'll be Vasily within the church community.
They don't speak English?

Utterly unnecessary.
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #233 on: September 22, 2016, 10:27:54 PM »

2. Tsar Nicholas II - I'm a huge supporter of monarchy - to the extent that absolute monarchy is my ideal form of government - and the last Tsar gave up his life in the fight first against liberalism, and then against the Satanic forces of Marxism which brought death and destruction on an unprecedented scale to Russia.
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #234 on: September 23, 2016, 09:22:03 AM »
Why would your political opinions have any effect on a question like that?

The idea is to find qualities in a saint with which you identify.

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Stick with your name. That's probably a Saint's name anyway and the Saint has been praying for you all the way. I picked a Saint probably based probably on closest phonetic equivalent and felt at home right away. Quite the opposite to the phase when I tried to pick and choose some etymologically and for me personally meaningful option.

I've been told that I cannot, and I don't particularly want to anyway. My priest requested that I choose a Russian or Byzantine name; whether this is for the purposes of keeping the cultural life of this ROCOR parish "alive" I didn't ask. I simply don't feel any affinity with St. William of Gellone, or any of the other obscure St. Williams of the pre-schism era, and associate them much more with the Latin church, which I really want nothing to do with.
in which case a Russian or Greek name would be fine.

It is not, nor should it be made, necessary.

When you say it requested a "a Russian or Byzantine name" was that one that Russsians/Greeks have, or was it Yuri or Yiorgios over George?

The latter; ie. if I choose St. Basil the Great, I'll be Vasily within the church community.
They don't speak English?

Utterly unnecessary.

Most know English, but they choose to converse in Russian. If they want to maintain the cultural life of the parish then that's their business; I'm the outsider.


2. Tsar Nicholas II - I'm a huge supporter of monarchy - to the extent that absolute monarchy is my ideal form of government - and the last Tsar gave up his life in the fight first against liberalism, and then against the Satanic forces of Marxism which brought death and destruction on an unprecedented scale to Russia.
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #235 on: September 23, 2016, 02:57:04 PM »
^If you are a Catechumen you are not an outsider. You are Orthodox.
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #236 on: September 23, 2016, 03:01:52 PM »
^If you are a Catechumen you are not an outsider. You are Orthodox.

Indeed, but I do feel as though I'm a cultural outsider. Everyone has been very welcoming, but this is by and large still a Russian expatriate parish.

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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #237 on: October 04, 2016, 11:50:33 PM »
If my middle name is Claire and I've been told that's equivalent to Svetlana or Photini, could I use Claire or would it have to be one of the other two?

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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #238 on: October 05, 2016, 12:08:31 AM »
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #239 on: October 05, 2016, 12:23:51 AM »
If my middle name is Claire and I've been told that's equivalent to Svetlana or Photini, could I use Claire or would it have to be one of the other two?
Good question. There is definitely no saint with my mother's name, but it's roughly and distantly related to Susanna, so I wonder if she may take either the OT woman or the Roman martyr as a patron and just keep her name, if she actually enters the Church.
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #240 on: October 05, 2016, 11:17:53 AM »
Putin.

Well Vladimir would be an ideal name for a convert.

As far as my search, my priest recommended either Tsar Nicholas or Patriarch Tikhon, saying that as new martyrs they should have more patrons.

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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #241 on: October 05, 2016, 11:19:32 AM »
If my middle name is Claire and I've been told that's equivalent to Svetlana or Photini, could I use Claire or would it have to be one of the other two?
Good question. There is definitely no saint with my mother's name, but it's roughly and distantly related to Susanna, so I wonder if she may take either the OT woman or the Roman martyr as a patron and just keep her name, if she actually enters the Church.
If the pre-Orthodox name is understood as a variant of a saint's name, and the intention is to honour that saint, I don't see that there's a problem in using the form to which one is accustomed.

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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #242 on: October 05, 2016, 11:25:17 AM »
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #243 on: October 05, 2016, 11:25:52 AM »
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #244 on: October 05, 2016, 11:31:33 AM »
If my middle name is Claire and I've been told that's equivalent to Svetlana or Photini, could I use Claire or would it have to be one of the other two?

I don't know what your priest will tell you, but I don't think it should be a problem.  A saint's name in translation is still a saint's name, and there are precedents already in the tradition.
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #245 on: October 05, 2016, 01:23:00 PM »
Thank you very much for your replies! I do love St Photini, but as an Anglo would feel very strange being called that or Svetlana. And I dislike my first name and have occasionally toyed with the idea of going by Claire, so I'd be willing to start bring called that outside of church, as well.

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« Reply #246 on: March 03, 2017, 08:39:11 PM »
Hi,

My name is Allan. I looked the name up at https://orthodoxwiki.org/Baptismal_names and found:

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Alan, Allan, Allen (m) - St Alan of Lavaur (November 25 - Saint); St Elian of Cornwall (January 13 - Saint)

I looked up those two saints and of the first one it said:

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He is assumed to be a bishop and dated to the 7th century, but there is very little if any corroboration available, and it has been suggested that Alan of Lavaur may be nothing more than a pale reflection of the well-known Amand of Maastricht.

Of the other one it said:

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Little is known of Saint Elian. While some accounts hold that he came by sea from Rome and landed in Anglesey at Porth yr Yehen in Northern Wales, where he established a church around 450 AD, others claim that he was of Cornish or Breton roots and lived during the sixth century. He was said to have been related to Saint Ismael, the sixth century Welsh Bishop of Rhos. He is remembered for his missionary efforts in Cornwall, England and for establishing several religious houses.

Would this be enough to keep my name and go with one of these saints or should I go with someone of whom more is known? I'm of mostly Scandinavian heritage (with 12% British Isles according to FamilyTreeDNA) so a British saint would probably be suitable...
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #247 on: March 03, 2017, 11:57:58 PM »
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« Reply #248 on: March 04, 2017, 12:07:54 AM »
St Elian of Cornwall is the patron of a grandchild of an Orthodox priest where I live. So you're on safe ground in choosing him as a patron.  :)
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« Reply #249 on: March 10, 2017, 09:44:24 AM »
St Elian of Cornwall is the patron of a grandchild of an Orthodox priest where I live. So you're on safe ground in choosing him as a patron.  :)

Great! Thank you for sharing that. :)

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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #250 on: April 12, 2017, 01:15:35 PM »
A male friend is considering St. Argyre as a patron saint. Would it be unusual if he changed his name to a masculinised form of hers ("Árgiro", in that case)? Do you know any similar cases?
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #251 on: April 12, 2017, 02:43:46 PM »
A male friend is considering St. Argyre as a patron saint. Would it be unusual if he changed his name to a masculinised form of hers ("Árgiro", in that case)? Do you know any similar cases?
In Greek Argyrios (which is the masculine of Argyre) is a fairly common male name, but it's not after st. Argyre, rather after the Holy Unmercenaries (Hagioi Anargyroi in Greek).
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #252 on: April 12, 2017, 03:34:24 PM »
Would this be enough to keep my name and go with one of these saints or should I go with someone of whom more is known?
Saints is saints. Notoriety ain't everything, and if the name fits you, keep it.

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I'm of mostly Scandinavian heritage (with 12% British Isles according to FamilyTreeDNA) so a British saint would probably be suitable...
I've been seeing this kind of comment more lately. 'Heritage' ain't a thing if you're being born again. Choose a saint with your name or pick someone you like praying to, but trying to pigeonhole a saint based on geography is silly.
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #253 on: April 16, 2017, 10:11:16 AM »
Would this be enough to keep my name and go with one of these saints or should I go with someone of whom more is known?
Saints is saints. Notoriety ain't everything, and if the name fits you, keep it.

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I'm of mostly Scandinavian heritage (with 12% British Isles according to FamilyTreeDNA) so a British saint would probably be suitable...
I've been seeing this kind of comment more lately. 'Heritage' ain't a thing if you're being born again. Choose a saint with your name or pick someone you like praying to, but trying to pigeonhole a saint based on geography is silly.

Good point. Thank you!

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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #254 on: April 18, 2017, 01:38:19 PM »
I wouldnt pick by DNA based heritage......but I can see....picking a saint that means something to how you were raised.....ie there is zero wrong with a convert of Irish decent picking Patrick, or Columba...or Iona.....

or someone of Russian decent (but a convert) picking a slav saint...

but to force it...if one wasnt raised in a particular ethnic community.....then its a bit more forced.

but God surprises us....i had plans like these.....and yet i kept my own name....;)
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