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Southern Baptist leader on yoga: Not Christianity
« on: October 09, 2010, 12:09:13 PM »
I would agree. Yoga is not Christianity. Neither is weight-lifting. :)

From the AP:

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"LOUISVILLE, Ky. — A Southern Baptist leader who is calling for Christians to avoid yoga and its spiritual attachments is getting plenty of pushback from enthusiasts who defend the ancient practice.

Southern Baptist Seminary President Albert Mohler says the stretching and meditative discipline derived from Eastern religions is not a Christian pathway to God.

Mohler said he objects to "the idea that the body is a vehicle for reaching consciousness with the divine."

"That's just not Christianity," Mohler told The Associated Press.
Mohler said feedback has come through e-mail and comments on blogs and other websites since he wrote an essay to address questions about yoga he has heard for years.

"I'm really surprised by the depth of the commitment to yoga found on the part of many who identify as Christians," Mohler said."

I'm a bit disturbed with Mohler's denigration of the body. That's not a Christian perspective.

Mohler, however, saves himself eventually:

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Mohler said many people have written him to say they're simply doing exercises and forgoing yoga's eastern mysticism and meditation.

"My response to that would be simple and straightforward: You're just not doing yoga," Mohler said.
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Re: Southern Baptist leader on yoga: Not Christianity
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2010, 12:29:54 PM »
Agreed. Yoga is unChristian, but Mohler is speaking as a Gnostic.
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Re: Southern Baptist leader on yoga: Not Christianity
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2010, 02:07:56 PM »
Yoga is perhaps like Freemasonry in its relationship to Christianity: at the initial stages, it's a simple hobby. Freemasonry is an attractive old boy's club and a way to be active in the community, while yoga is a method for physical conditioning. However, the more one enters into these pastimes, they more he or she is forced to adopt non-Christian views. I spent most of the last year travelling in India, and the Westerners I met who came to attend advanced yoga courses were expected to perform Hindu rituals (such as addressing the sun as a deity) that cannot be reconciled with Orthodox Christianity.
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Re: Southern Baptist leader on yoga: Not Christianity
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2010, 03:05:56 PM »
Yoga is perhaps like Freemasonry in its relationship to Christianity: at the initial stages, it's a simple hobby. Freemasonry is an attractive old boy's club and a way to be active in the community, while yoga is a method for physical conditioning. However, the more one enters into these pastimes, they more he or she is forced to adopt non-Christian views. I spent most of the last year travelling in India, and the Westerners I met who came to attend advanced yoga courses were expected to perform Hindu rituals (such as addressing the sun as a deity) that cannot be reconciled with Orthodox Christianity.

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Re: Southern Baptist leader on yoga: Not Christianity
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2010, 03:29:33 PM »
When most Americans think of yoga, they are really talking about the asanas or exercises.  Those are not harmful.

The rest of yoga represents an unnecessary risk.
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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2010, 03:41:33 PM »
I've been very critical of yoga in any form ever since I read, "The Gurus, The Young Man, and Elder Paisios."  I wish my friend would have never given that book to me as a gift.  Disturbing book.  :-/
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Re: Southern Baptist leader on yoga: Not Christianity
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2010, 03:48:31 PM »
I don't know about doing yoga... but I've watched those attractive women do yoga on the exercise channel... probably not conducive to cultivating a Christian mindset...  :angel:
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Re: Southern Baptist leader on yoga: Not Christianity
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2010, 03:22:31 PM »
A friend once claimed to me that it was akin to eating food dedicated to idols and could do no harm to Christians - but if it is the christian doing the dedicating then much harm may follow. The best advice I was given about such things is if in doubt stay away from it.

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Re: Southern Baptist leader on yoga: Not Christianity
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2010, 04:24:44 PM »
Any medical system, anywhere in the world, has at some point been informed by pagan or other non-Christian philosophies. That's just as much true of western medicine as it is of Indian or Chinese medicine.
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Re: Southern Baptist leader on yoga: Not Christianity
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2010, 04:39:39 PM »
I've been very critical of yoga in any form ever since I read, "The Gurus, The Young Man, and Elder Paisios."  I wish my friend would have never given that book to me as a gift.  Disturbing book.  :-/


Can you tell us more about this book, and why it was so disturbing? I'm intrigued.


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Re: Southern Baptist leader on yoga: Not Christianity
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2010, 05:17:08 PM »
I've been very critical of yoga in any form ever since I read, "The Gurus, The Young Man, and Elder Paisios."  I wish my friend would have never given that book to me as a gift.  Disturbing book.  :-/


Can you tell us more about this book, and why it was so disturbing? I'm intrigued.


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Re: Southern Baptist leader on yoga: Not Christianity
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2010, 06:26:15 PM »
I've been very critical of yoga in any form ever since I read, "The Gurus, The Young Man, and Elder Paisios."  I wish my friend would have never given that book to me as a gift.  Disturbing book.  :-/


Can you tell us more about this book, and why it was so disturbing? I'm intrigued.


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Some info.


Thanks.


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Re: Southern Baptist leader on yoga: Not Christianity
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2010, 06:32:53 PM »
Yoga is perhaps like Freemasonry in its relationship to Christianity: at the initial stages, it's a simple hobby. Freemasonry is an attractive old boy's club and a way to be active in the community, while yoga is a method for physical conditioning. However, the more one enters into these pastimes, they more he or she is forced to adopt non-Christian views. I spent most of the last year travelling in India, and the Westerners I met who came to attend advanced yoga courses were expected to perform Hindu rituals (such as addressing the sun as a deity) that cannot be reconciled with Orthodox Christianity.

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Re: Southern Baptist leader on yoga: Not Christianity
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2011, 08:43:52 AM »
The advantages of Christian Yoga.
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Re: Southern Baptist leader on yoga: Not Christianity
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2011, 09:19:02 AM »
My parents are studying Yoga and their instructor is a Sufi muslim ;D. They omit everything related to Hindu Gods ,worshiping Sun part..etc. and practice it just for their health..

Its kinda funny that in India, we dont label it as a Christian Yoga, Hindu Yoga..blah blah

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Re: Southern Baptist leader on yoga: Not Christianity
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2011, 07:00:54 PM »

I've been very critical of yoga in any form ever since I read, "The Gurus, The Young Man, and Elder Paisios."  I wish my friend would have never given that book to me as a gift.  Disturbing book.  :-/


Can you tell us more about this book, and why it was so disturbing? I'm intrigued.


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Some info.


Thanks.


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I read this book and loved it! Very scary stuff, but very important reading. In an effort to compare Orthodox mysticism with Hindu mysticism by personally experiencing both, the author unwittingly opened himself up to demonic possession. Many religious and spiritual movements that masquerade as peaceful and loving are actually full of demons, darkness, and death.

Thanks for the recommendation Ionnis!

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Re: Southern Baptist leader on yoga: Not Christianity
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2011, 07:43:44 PM »

I've been very critical of yoga in any form ever since I read, "The Gurus, The Young Man, and Elder Paisios."  I wish my friend would have never given that book to me as a gift.  Disturbing book.  :-/


Can you tell us more about this book, and why it was so disturbing? I'm intrigued.


Selam
Some info.


Thanks.


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Many religious and spiritual movements that masquerade as peaceful and loving are actually full of demons, darkness, and death.
True, but the young man in the book encountered a few individuals connected to Hinduism, individuals who apparently were not all that pure, and who perhaps engaged in black magic. You can find such individuals in any religion. The young man did not encounter other Hindus, who have a much more positive reputation, like Ramana Maharshi, or Swami Ramdas (not to be confused with the American "Ram Dass"). I suspect that if he had done so, his experience of Hinduism would have been much more positive. I don't think one can judge a whole religious tradition, or set of religious traditions ("Hinduism" is much more of a whole set of religious traditions), on the basis of one's encounter with only a few persons, of questionable morality, of that tradition. However, I think the book does a good job at showing that just because someone claims to be 'holy', or claims to be 'enlightened', doesn't mean that that person actually is.
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Re: Southern Baptist leader on yoga: Not Christianity
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Many religious and spiritual movements that masquerade as peaceful and loving are actually full of demons, darkness, and death.

And not just non-Christian movements, I'm afraid. When I initially become interested in Christianity, I had a frightening brush with a very deceptive Christian cult (that is, a cult masquerading as Christianity) that I suspect has its share of the three d's you mention. They twist the Bible in order to dupe young seekers and basically imprison them with fear and guilt. It was very creepy. Fortunately I saw through them fairly quickly.

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Many religious and spiritual movements that masquerade as peaceful and loving are actually full of demons, darkness, and death.

And not just non-Christian movements, I'm afraid. When I initially become interested in Christianity, I had a frightening brush with a very deceptive Christian cult (that is, a cult masquerading as Christianity) that I suspect has its share of the three d's you mention. They twist the Bible in order to dupe young seekers and basically imprison them with fear and guilt. It was very creepy. Fortunately I saw through them fairly quickly.

http://www.rickross.com/groups/icc.html
Members of this group (or, rather, a very pretty, young, female member of this group) tried to get me to join, in Boston, way back in the late '80s/early '90s.
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Re: Southern Baptist leader on yoga: Not Christianity
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2011, 12:55:43 AM »
Its kinda funny that in India, we dont label it as a Christian Yoga, Hindu Yoga..blah blah

That won't do, that simply won't do.  When in doubt, label something.  ;)

I once had a South Asian religions professor who insisted that Yoga, stripped of its religious/spiritual teachings, be referred to as "stretching and breathing." 
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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2011, 01:35:11 AM »
Its kinda funny that in India, we dont label it as a Christian Yoga, Hindu Yoga..blah blah

That won't do, that simply won't do.  When in doubt, label something.  ;)

I once had a South Asian religions professor who insisted that Yoga, stripped of its religious/spiritual teachings, be referred to as "stretching and breathing." 

Technically speaking, he is of course, correct.  Yoga has several meanings, all of which imply uniting oneself to God (however that may be understood to one's school of thought).  In America, when we say 'Yoga', we're typically speaking of Hatha Yoga.  This is the physical/breath postures (called 'asanas') that we think of when we Westerners think of Yoga.  Stripped of all it's spirituality, I think these physical postures are quite beneficial. 
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Re: Southern Baptist leader on yoga: Not Christianity
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2011, 01:38:02 AM »
*shakes head* How are you gonna sell gym/class memberships calling it "stretching and breathing"? Is outrage!
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« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2011, 02:02:22 AM »
*shakes head* How are you gonna sell gym/class memberships calling it "stretching and breathing"? Is outrage!

Definitely unmarketable.  Maybe you could advertise as "Stretching and Breathing NOW with MORE Enya & Sitars!"
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