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Re: Orthodox apparitions
« Reply #90 on: November 03, 2010, 10:12:03 PM »
Just two comments:

1) It is extremely unfair - not to mention inaccurate - to compare Fabio Leite to Jack Chick.

2)  I actually agree with stashko (waits for lightning bolts! ;D ) - there ARE an awful lot of spurious visions of Mary which deceive a lot of people, and may well be demonic.  Many great RC saints such as Teresa of Avila and John of the Cross advise us to reject ALL such visions, just to be safe.
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Re: Orthodox apparitions
« Reply #91 on: November 03, 2010, 11:03:08 PM »
Interesting "Orthodox" apparition. Throw in a dash of ecumenism because the particular object is not a weeping icon, but a statue!

http://www.windsorstar.com/life/Skeptics+question+weeping+Virgin+Mary+statue+Windsor/3772003/story.html

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WINDSOR, Ont. — The Orthodox Christian church to which Fadia Ibrahim belongs is not endorsing her claims that her Virgin Mary statue is miraculous.

Father John Ayoub of the St. Ignatius of Antioch Church in Windsor said he’s well aware of the stir that the statue has caused.

He said Ibrahim approached him in March with stories about the statue, which is said to weep tears of healing oil at night and which has attracted scores of pilgrims to a formerly quiet Windsor neighbourhood.

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Re: Orthodox apparitions
« Reply #92 on: November 03, 2010, 11:24:04 PM »
We Don't Accept Idols in Holy Orthodox Churches ,im not sure about home thou, Catholics Could have it if the want it...... ;D
I don't recognize the western Orthodox churches  as Orthodox ,if Some have Idols inside ,In my book there not orthodox ..... ;D
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Re: Orthodox apparitions
« Reply #93 on: November 04, 2010, 03:30:39 AM »
I don't recognize the western Orthodox churches  as Orthodox ,if Some have Idols inside ,In my book there not orthodox ..... ;D

Fortunately, it's not your job to decide who is Orthodox and who isn't. :)

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Re: Orthodox apparitions
« Reply #94 on: November 04, 2010, 11:00:38 AM »
1) It is extremely unfair - not to mention inaccurate - to compare Fabio Leite to Jack Chick.
I usually reject all those who attack Holy Mother Church, just to be safe ;)

2)  I actually agree with stashko (waits for lightning bolts! ;D ) - there ARE an awful lot of spurious visions of Mary which deceive a lot of people, and may well be demonic.  Many great RC saints such as Teresa of Avila and John of the Cross advise us to reject ALL such visions, just to be safe.
I guess I don't get bent out of shape about apparitions because, even though there are several approved by our Church, they have never been a big part (or any part really) of my spirituality so I don't really think about them. I don't believe the ones approved by the Church are demonic though.

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Re: Orthodox apparitions
« Reply #95 on: November 04, 2010, 12:29:43 PM »
Just two comments:

1) It is extremely unfair - not to mention inaccurate - to compare Fabio Leite to Jack Chick.

2)  I actually agree with stashko (waits for lightning bolts! ;D ) - there ARE an awful lot of spurious visions of Mary which deceive a lot of people, and may well be demonic.  Many great RC saints such as Teresa of Avila and John of the Cross advise us to reject ALL such visions, just to be safe.
1) I don't think that Fabio is Jack Chick. In fact, I think that most Fabio's posts at OC.net are fantastic. But in this particular thread, I do believe that Fabio's tactics are similar to the tactics of Jack Chick.
2) Yes there are some that are not genuine, but I doubt one that has been approved by the Church, and carries with it such universal Catholic support would be demonic. "The Church of the Living God, the Pillar and Foundation of Truth."
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Re: Orthodox apparitions
« Reply #96 on: November 22, 2014, 10:12:50 AM »

Now, here is the concern. First, the support of self-flogging. That's always been a controversial practice at best in the RC church, and, to my knowledge, never approved in the Orthodox church.

1 Corinthians 9:27

"But I chastise my body, and bring it into subjection: lest perhaps, when I have preached to others, I myself should become a castaway."

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Re: Orthodox apparitions
« Reply #97 on: November 22, 2014, 10:22:08 AM »
A concerning issue about the apparition of Fatima that does point to a demonic intervention is the last apparition when the "Miracle of the Sun" happened. There was also another less commented apparition on that day, that had been announced on September 13th, 1917.

Our Lady would have asked them to pray more with the rosary and to use the self-flogging whip only during the day(!!!) and said, in Portuguese:
"Em Outubro, virá também Nosso Senhor, Nossa Senhora das Dores e do Carmo, São José com o Menino Jesus, para abençoarem o Mundo."

"In October, Our Lord, Our Lady of Pains, Our Lady of Mount Carmel and Saint Joseph with the Boy Jesus will come to bless the world".

And indeed, on the day of the "Miracle of the Sun" these "beings" were also seen.

Now, here is the concern. First, the support of self-flogging. That's always been a controversial practice at best in the RC church, and, to my knowledge, never approved in the Orthodox church. Second, and most importantly, the apparition of the "Ladies".  It's always been understood that the Holy Virgin's titles are only that: titles. Even when she appears dressed as in an icon, she comes humbly and majestically as "just" the Mother of God. The apparition of such "characters", which were first "Our Lady of the Rosary", then "Our Lady of the Pains" and last "Our Lady of Mount Carmel" spells too much of a female trinity, which would be a typically quasi-pagan demonic mockery. Plus, all the atmospheric "miracles" resemble too much the phenomena mentioned in the book of Revelation as demonic signs to deceive "even the just".

I'm not saying that it *is* a demonic phenomena. But it sure looks like it.

Perhaps there was symbolism in why she appeared under those specific titles? 

http://unveilingtheapocalypse.blogspot.ca/2012/08/our-lady-of-mt-carmel-visions-of-fatima.html

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Re: Orthodox apparitions
« Reply #98 on: September 22, 2015, 06:11:04 PM »
I know that this is an old thread, but an anyone please tell me if there have been lengthy visions in our Church in the last 300 years or so that have the basic qualities in the way they were experienced like St. John did in his book of Revelations?

The Book of Revelations narrates a series of visions to St. John over 22 chapters, and they are quite detailed and lengthy, beginning with Jesus' own appearance to St. John in which Jesus touched John and Jesus had a sword coming out of his mouth. These visions in total must have taken from fifteen minutes to an hour, if not longer, considering how detailed they are and cover so many chapters.

Have there been visions like that to saints in Orthodoxy in the last 300 years? The vision of St. John itself seems so lengthy and detailed that it seems that even a few Orthodox theologians (like apparently Fr. Tarazi) have proposed that St. John himself directly and deliberated thought it out as a parable, in the vein of Dante's Divine Comedy, rather than literally receiving such a long, extreme vision and then remembering it so precisely.

(Apparently in Fr. Tarazi's interpretation, the author wrote it in order to give Christians in the Roman empire renewed confidence, rather than simply recording it all exactly as described like a stenographer:
http://www.stgeorgegoc.org/sermons/revelation%20summary%20by%20tarazi.pdf)
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