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Offline Stepan

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An Interesting Sunday
« on: October 04, 2010, 09:27:59 AM »
Haven't posted in a awhile so I thought I'd stop in and share news from the journey.

As I have shared, I have been wanting to convert to Orthodoxy since my exposure to it about 6 years ago now. Problem is, my wife's only exposure has been through an indvidual who is somewhat legalistic in their faith (at least that is her perception) and nothing she has heard from him has endeared her to Orthodoxy. Consequently, when I've brought up Orthodoxy she has flatly refused.

We left the Protestant church we were members of and for a numer of weeks have been attending a Catholic church. Admittedly, I have just not been able to settle down there at all.

So this past sunday while my wife was out of town on a whim I decided that my son and I would attend the Divine Liturgy at a local Orthodox church. For myself it was like that feeling when one's head is under water and you are finally able to come up for air. It only soldified my desire to be Orthodox. As for my 6 year old son, he was completely still and quiet...not a peep except for one whispered question. He was completely content.

I asked him after the Liturgy what he thought and he said that "it made me want to be quiet, like I shouldn't say a word". He went on to talk about the icons and various aspect of what went on. I then asked him which he liked best, the Orthodox or RCC, and he said the Orthodox because it made him feel quiet and that we should bring Mommy back next week.


So I have decided to bring up visiting to my wife and hope that my son's experience will serve as a testimony of sorts if not simply serve to capture her interest in at least seeing what it was that affeced him so.

An interesting Sunday indeed.

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Re: An Interesting Sunday
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2010, 10:29:35 AM »

I am glad to hear your son was "okay" with Orthodoxy.

May the Lord open your wife's eyes and heart, and may she join you in your journey "home".

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Re: An Interesting Sunday
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2010, 10:33:37 AM »

I am glad to hear your son was "okay" with Orthodoxy.

May the Lord open your wife's eyes and heart, and may she join you in your journey "home".

Lord, have mercy!
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Re: An Interesting Sunday
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2010, 10:40:57 AM »

I am glad to hear your son was "okay" with Orthodoxy.

May the Lord open your wife's eyes and heart, and may she join you in your journey "home".

Lord, have mercy!

Indeed...

Taking my son was a sort of testing the waters. I was really taken back by what I saw in him and hearing him say "it made him feel quiet" succinctly summed up my own thoughts as well.

Lord have mercy on me, a sinner.

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Re: An Interesting Sunday
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2010, 11:19:52 AM »
What a beautiful response in both you and your son!

It's so odd how so many consider the Orthodox Faith so . .. legalistic?  It is truly the FREEST Church I've ever been to.

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Re: An Interesting Sunday
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2010, 12:32:22 PM »
I asked him after the Liturgy what he thought and he said that "it made me want to be quiet, like I shouldn't say a word".

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Re: An Interesting Sunday
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2010, 11:22:47 PM »
The kids at the church I go certaintly don't do that, heh heh. Anyway I pray you are able to continue attending divine liturgy.

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Re: An Interesting Sunday
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2010, 11:34:09 PM »
Dude, thats great. Hope is goes well with the wife. If its a Greek church you might be able to lure her there with the promise of delicious treats after the Divine Liturgy.
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Re: An Interesting Sunday
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2010, 11:35:31 PM »
Yeah the kids at my church are insane, literally rolling around on the ground. Anyway, God be with you and thanks for sharing!

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Re: An Interesting Sunday
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2010, 11:56:20 PM »
Dude, thats great. Hope is goes well with the wife. If its a Greek church you might be able to lure her there with the promise of delicious treats after the Divine Liturgy.

This particular parish is Antiochian. There is a Greek church but I think the Antiochian parish would be an easier transition as it is largely converts as far as I could tell. I too hope to continue.
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Re: An Interesting Sunday
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2010, 12:01:54 AM »
Yeah the kids at my church are insane, literally rolling around on the ground. Anyway, God be with you and thanks for sharing!

I will say that his behaviour is largely the result of upbringing (and he's just a good kid :) ). Another thing that helps is that we typically give him a notepad and a pen which he uses to draw with. But He does pay attention because he will frequently ask me about what the pastor said on the ride home.

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Re: An Interesting Sunday
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2010, 03:20:34 AM »
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"it made me want to be quiet, like I shouldn't say a word"

Out of the mouths of babes, indeed!
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Re: An Interesting Sunday
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2010, 09:32:21 AM »
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"it made me want to be quiet, like I shouldn't say a word"

Out of the mouths of babes, indeed!

when he said that I was reminded of the hymn God Himself is With Us (I am a former Anglican)

God himself is with us: let us now adore him,
and with awe appear before him.
God is in his temple, all within keep silence,
prostrate lie with deepest reverence.
him alone God we own, him our God and Savior;
praise his Name forever.

Been singing that one to myself since :)

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Re: An Interesting Sunday
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2010, 01:30:36 PM »
It's so odd how so many consider the Orthodox Faith so . .. legalistic?  It is truly the FREEST Church I've ever been to.



I think so too!

Tell your son that the Liturgy "makes me feel quiet" also! ;D
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Re: An Interesting Sunday
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2010, 02:42:44 PM »
It's so odd how so many consider the Orthodox Faith so . .. legalistic?  It is truly the FREEST Church I've ever been to.



I think so too!

Tell your son that the Liturgy "makes me feel quiet" also! ;D

Interesting that you both mention this, as it's what I felt as well when I've gone to Divine Liturgy. I remember that going to the Lutheran church as a boy (or even more recently when I've gone to the Episcopal church), that my mind always wandered during the service and I didn't feel as if what was going on was particularly alive or relevant to praising God at all. It seemed as if what the parishioners were signing and what the priest was proclaiming was a mere formality; there was hardly life in it. Each and every time that I've attended an Orthodox liturgy, however, it seems as if I cannot concentrate on anything else except the reality of worship in that moment- it's really a total experience, unlike anything I've experienced before.
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Re: An Interesting Sunday
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2010, 04:23:23 PM »
Dude, thats great. Hope is goes well with the wife. If its a Greek church you might be able to lure her there with the promise of delicious treats after the Divine Liturgy.
LOL. The Church is Antiochian. Where do you think that the Greeks got them?
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Re: An Interesting Sunday
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2010, 05:01:55 PM »
Dude, thats great. Hope is goes well with the wife. If its a Greek church you might be able to lure her there with the promise of delicious treats after the Divine Liturgy.
LOL. The Church is Antiochian. Where do you think that the Greeks got them?

Idk dude, Im a simple guy with a simple mission: locate the baklava.
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Re: An Interesting Sunday
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2010, 05:57:31 PM »
I have had Bulgarian baklava, Turkish baklava, Lebanese baklava and, or course, Greek baklava. If my modesty will allow me (ahem!), my baklava is the very best. PS: Do not ask for the recipe; it is an item in my Last Will and Testament for one of my girls.

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Re: An Interesting Sunday
« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2010, 06:59:47 PM »
I have had Bulgarian baklava, Turkish baklava, Lebanese baklava and, or course, Greek baklava. If my modesty will allow me (ahem!), my baklava is the very best. PS: Do not ask for the recipe; it is an item in my Last Will and Testament for one of my girls.

Would you please consider bequeathing your recipe to the churches of Russian descent?

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Re: An Interesting Sunday
« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2010, 07:31:50 PM »
I have had Bulgarian baklava, Turkish baklava, Lebanese baklava and, or course, Greek baklava. If my modesty will allow me (ahem!), my baklava is the very best. PS: Do not ask for the recipe; it is an item in my Last Will and Testament for one of my girls.

Just send me a sample.
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Re: An Interesting Sunday
« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2010, 08:04:18 PM »
The most truly vile baklava I had the misfortune of eating was made with peanuts .... HERESY!! Walnuts? Almonds? Pistachios? Even hazelnuts? were any of these so expensive or unavailable that PEANUTS were the only choice?
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Re: An Interesting Sunday
« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2010, 12:04:07 AM »
I'll be praying that your wife is given the grace to open her heart, and that the Holy Spirit would soften or at least silence the "adversary" in her midst. May God bless you all!

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Re: An Interesting Sunday
« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2010, 01:07:17 AM »
Dude, thats great. Hope is goes well with the wife. If its a Greek church you might be able to lure her there with the promise of delicious treats after the Divine Liturgy.

Treats after Divine Liturgy is practically Orthodox dogma, regardless of jurisdiction. ;)
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Re: An Interesting Sunday
« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2010, 09:14:06 AM »
Dude, thats great. Hope is goes well with the wife. If its a Greek church you might be able to lure her there with the promise of delicious treats after the Divine Liturgy.

Treats after Divine Liturgy is practically Orthodox dogma, regardless of jurisdiction. ;)

I think that would pretty much seal the deal for my son ;)


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Re: An Interesting Sunday
« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2010, 09:39:25 AM »
Thank you all for your prayers.

I am going to mention the visit to her this week when she returns. She has all but settled on becoming Roman Catholic (mostly because we have a large number of Catholic friends, not really doctrinal issues) but I am hopeful that at some point my son will chime in about his experience at the Orthodox church and that this will give her cause to reconsider. I do not relish the idea continuing on to Orthodoxy without her but I do know that I cannot become Roman Catholic.

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Re: An Interesting Sunday
« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2010, 10:15:53 AM »
Baklava?
I sneer at your baklava.

Now galactoboureko - that's another story!

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