desperately seeking troparion in Greek

[Edward Yong]

Hi Chaps, does anyone have the text of the Troparion to the Holy Cross in Greek? Polytonic, preferably, but I'll settle for whatever I can get. Ideally, it'd mention the right-believing Emperor, but I'll take "right-believing Christians" too.

Thanks  

[gregory2]

Do you mean the one: "O Lord, Save Thy people, and bless Thine inheritance..... etc" ?  
sorry, i don't know it!  Even though I grew up in Greek Orthodox churches, i never knew it until i started worshipping in english.  hopefully someone else can help you.

[Edward Yong]

that's the one! i keep looking online and I can't find it in Greek.

I type in -â-Ä-â++++ +¦-ì-ü+¦+¦ -ä-î++ +++¦-î++ -â++-Ã  and all i get is the psalms!

[Νεκτάριος]

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This webpage is very handy for finding liturgical texts, it has nearly everthing you could ever want!  http://www.qub.ac.uk/ibs/glt/Greek_Texts.htm

[Edward Yong]

+¦-à -ç+¦-ü+¦-â-ä-Ä -Ç+++++++«!!!

[Tosha]

My first post on this wonderful board!

Oddly enough, I'm looking for similar things in Latin (don't ask... long story  ). I've found the Trisagion prayers in Latin, but I'm looking for the Latin text for the Orthodox version of the Theotokion and any other Orthodox prayers or liturgies. Is there a site out there?

Tosha

[JoeZollars]

Here's a 9th Century translation of the Akathist Hymn to the Mother
of God. Enjoy!

===

Propugnatori magistratui victoriae
Sicut redemta a diris, gratiarum actiones
Rescribo tibi, Civitas tua, Dei Genitrix!
Sed sicut habens imperium inexpugnabile,
De omnibis periculis me libera
Ut clamo tibi: Ave sponsa insponsata.

INCIPIT HYMNUS

Alpha

Angelus primi status celitus missus est dicere Dei Genitrici: Ave. Et
cum incorporea voce incorporantem te videns, Domine, pavescebat et
stabat clamans ed eam talia:

Ave per quam gaudium splendebit.
Ave per quam maledictio deficiet.
Ave cadentis Adam resurrection.
Ave lacrimarum Evae redmptio.
Ave altitudo inascensibilis humani cogitationibus.
Ave profunditas invisibilis et angelorum oculis.
Ave quae es imperatoris solium.
Ave quae portas portantem omnia.
Ave stella demonstrans solem.
Ave uterus divinae incarnationis.
Ave per quam renovatur creatura.
Ave cum qua adoratur plasmator.
Ave sponsa insponsata.

Beta

Videns Sancta seipsam in castitate iniquit Gabrieli fiducialiter:
Quod excellet tuae voci insusceptibile animae meae apparet; absque
enim semine conceptionis partum predicis clamans: Alleluia.

Gamma

Notitiam ignotam noscere virgo querens clamavit ad ministrantem: Ex
lumbis ingenerantibus filium nasci quomodo est posibile, dic mihi? Ad
quam ille locutus est sicut consequebatur in timore clamans:

Ave consilii arcani initiatrix.
Ave honore superior omni.
Ave mirabilium Christi primitae.
Ave dogmatum ejus capitulum.
Ave scala celestis per quam descendit Deus.
Ave sponsatrix transducens terrenos in celum.
Ave angelorum multirumigerulum miraculum.
Ave demoniorum multimodum lamentans vulnus.
Ave lucem arcanam generans.
Ave quomodo neminem docens.
Ave sapientium suprascendens scientiam.
Ave fidelium splendens prudentia.
Ave sponsa insponsata.

Delta

Virtus altissimi obumbravit tunc ad conceptionem innuptam et
fructiferum ejus alvum sicut agrum ostendit dulcem omnibus volentibus
metere salutem in psallendo sic: Alleluia.

Epsilon

Habens Dei susceptibilem Maria matricem cucurrit ad Elisabeth; et
infans illius continuo cognoscens ipsius salutationem gaudebat et ex
saltationibus, sicut canticis, clamabat ad Dei Genitricem:

Ave germinis immarcescibilis vitis.
Ave fructus intonsilis possessio.
Ave agricolans humanum.
Ave plantatorem vitae nostrae germinans.
Ave arvum pullulans copiam miserationum.
Ave mensa gestans abundantiam propitiationum.
Ave redolentiam escae reflorens.
Ave portum animarum preparans.
Ave acceptabile intercessionis thimiama.
Ave omnis orbis propitiatio.
Ave Dei ad mortales bona voluntas.
Ave mortalium ad Deum fiducia.
Ave sponsa insponsata.

Zeta

Aestum mentis habens cogitationibus dubiis castus Joseph turbatus est
ante innuptam te videns et furto te nuptam suspicans, Impolluta!
Discens autem conceptionem ex Spiritu Sancto dixit: Alleluia.

***

Eta

Audierunt pastores angelis hymnizantibus carnalem Christi presentiam
et currentes velociter sicut ad pastorem, vident illum tamquam agnum
immaculatum in utero Mariae pastum et laudantes dixerunt:

Ave Agni et Pastoris mater.
Ave aula rationabilem ovium.
Ave invisibilium bestiarum ultio.
Ave paradisi ostiorum apertio.
Ave quia celestia coexultant terrae.
Ave quia terrestria colletantur Christo.
Ave apostolorum os intacibile.
Ave martyrum invictissima fiducia.
Ave luminis naturae stabilitio.
Ave splendida gratiae cognitio.
Ave per quam nudificatus est infernus.
Ave per quam induti sumus gloria.
Ave sponsa insponsata.

Theta

Deum accurentem stellam videntes Magi ipsius secuti sunt splendorem,
et sicut lucernam tenentes eam per ipsam scrutabantur Lampadem
surrectam et consequentes Inconsequibilem clamaverunt matri ejus:
Alleluia.

Iota

Viderunt pueri Chaldeorum in manibus Virginis qui plasmavit manibus
homines et Dominum intelligentes eum si et servi accepti formam
festinaverunt muneribus famulari et clamaverunt benedictae:

Ave inoccidentis maris stella.
Ave mystici diei sol.
Ave suasionis caminum desinens.
Ave Trinitati initatores custodiens.
Ave tyrranorum inhumanorum pricipatum eiciens.
Ave Dominum humanum ostendens Christum.
Ave barbarum religionem redimens.
Ave a ceni operibus eruens.
Ave ignis adorationem extinguens.
Ave flamma vitiorum carens.
Ave Persarum dux pudicitiae.
Ave omnium gentium letitia.
Ave sponsa insponsata.

Kappa

Predicatores Dei facti Magi reversi sunt in Babylonem, perficientes
tuam functionem et predicantes te Christum omnibus, sinentes Herodem
tamquam irrisum nescientem psallere: Alleluia.

Lambda

Splendens in Aegypto illuminationem veritatis, eiecisti tenebras
falsitatis simulacra enim ejus, Salvator, non ferentia tuam
potentiam, corruerunt; hi autem exclamaverunt ad Dei Genitricem:

Ave erectio hominum.
Ave ruina demonum.
Ave quae potentiam erroris conculcasti.
Ave idolorum dolum arguens.
Ave mare quae mersisti Pharonem intelligibilem.
Ave petra quae potasti sitientes vitam.
Ave ignea columna ducens eos qui sunt in tenebris.
Ave tegumentum mundi amplius nubis.
Ave esca mannae succedens.
Ave escae sanctae ministra.
Ave casta terra promissionis.
Ave ex qua fluit me et lac.
Ave sponsa insponsata.

Mu

Debitum Simeoni de presenti vita transeunti ac de seculo migranti
redditus est sicut infans. Sec cogitus illi et Deus perfectus ideo
obstupuit tibi indefluam substantiam clamans: Alleluia.

***

Nu

Novam ostendit creaturam manifestans Creator nobis ab ipso factis,
sine semine germinans fructus et conservans illam sicut erat
incorruptam; ut miraculum videntes eam dicentes:

Ave flos incorruptionis.
Ave corona continentiae.
Ave resurrectionis figuram persplendens.
Ave ex his gentium vitam demonstrans.
Ave arbor splendidia fructifera ex qua nutriuntur fideles.
Ave folium bene umbrosum quo teguntur multi.
Ave partum ferens redemptionem captivis.
Ave generans ductorem errantium.
Ave judicis omnium exoratio.
Ave delictorum indulgentia.
Ave stola nudorum fidissima.
Ave affectio omnem amorem vincens.
Ave sponsa insponsata.

Chi

Peregrinam genituram videntes peregrinatur a mundo, mentem in celo
trasponentes: ideo enim Altissimus in terra nobis ostensus est
humilis hominibus, volens attrahere ad altitudinem celorum fideliter
clamantes: Alleluia.

Omicron

Totum erat in imis et supernis; nullo modo aberat incircumscriptum
verbum: dispensatio enim divina non translatio autem localis facta
est et gentium de Virgine deum-susceptibile, audiens haec:

Ave Dei capabilis regio.
Ave venerandi mysterii aula.
Ave infidelium dubitata auditio.
Ave fidelium indubitata gloriatio.
Ave habitus ejus sanctissimus qui est super Cherubim.
Ave cella omnifinita ei qui est in Seraphim.
Ave contraria in seipsa ducens.
Ave puerperium et virginitatem jungens.
Ave per quam absoluta est transgressio.
Ave per quam apertus est paradisus.
Ave porta Christi regni.
Ave spes bonorum eterna.
Ave sponsa insponsata.

Pi

Omnis natura angelorum stupuit magnum tuae incarnationis opus:
intractabilem enim viderunt tractabilem, hominibus nobiscum quidem
commorantem, audientem autem ab omnibus: Alleluia.

Rho

Rhetores multisonos, sicut pisces insonos, videmus in te, Dei
Genitrix: incertant enim dicere: "Quomodo et virgo manens et parere
potuisti?" Nos autem mysterium admirantes, fideliter clamamus:

Ave sapientiae Dei susceptorium.
Ave providentiae ejus signum.
Ave philosophos insipientes ostendens.
Ave artilogorum sermones arguens.
Ave qua stulti facti sunt diri conquisitores.
Ave qua stulti facti sunt fabularum poetae.
Ave Atheniensium nexus divellens.
Ave piscatorum sagenas replens.
Ave de profunditate ignorantiae extrahens.
Ave multos scientia divitificans.
Ave navis volentium salvari.
Ave portus vitae nautarum.
Ave sponsa insponsata.

Sigma

Salvare volens mundum omnium Ornator in hoc ipse prenuntiatus venit;
et cum esset Pastor et Deus pro nobis apparuit erga nos ovis, simili
autem clamans sicut voluit audire: Alleluia.

***

Tau

Murus est virginum Dei Genitrix Virgo et omnium ad te currentium:
celi enim et terrae condidit te Creator, Incontaminata, habitans in
utero tuo et omnes acclamare docens:

Ave columna virginitatis.
Ave porta salutis.
Ave princeps redemptae plasmationis.
Ave tributrix divinae benignitatis.
Ave, tu enim regenerasti furiatos mente.
Ave, tu enim intellectum dedisti errantibus prius.
Ave quae corruptorum mentium confundis.
Ave quae seminatorem castitatis genuisti.
Ave thalamus nuptiarum incorruptibilium.
Ave fideles Domino conjugens.
Ave bona nutrix Domini Virgo.
Ave veneranda sponsalis stola sanctorum.
Ave sponsa insponsata.

Ypsilon

Hymnus omnis et laus contendit delibare multitudinem multarum
miserationum tuarum quae numero psalmos et cantica offerium tibi, Rex
benigne; sed nihil perficimus dignum de quibus dedisti fide
clamantibus: Alleluia.

Phi

Luminis susceptricem lampadem in tenebris ostensam vidimus sanctam
Virginem: immaterialem autem accendens ignem, ducit ad iter divinum
semper, splendore mentem illuminans, clamore autem honorificata isto:

Ave radius intelligibilis solis.
Ave splendor increati luminis.
Ave fulgor animas illustrans.
Ave sicut verra inimicos everrens.
Ave quae multi-lumine oriris illuminationem.
Ave quae multi-munere refluis calicem.
Ave piscinae salutaris pingens figuram
Ave peccati tollens cenum.
Ave luter emundans conscientiam.
Ave crater fidelium exultatio.
Ave odor Christi boni odoris.
Ave vita mysticae epulationis.
Ave sponsa insponsata.

Xi

Gratiam dare volens salutationibus antiquis omnium debitorum
Absolutor hominum advenit per se ad suae existentes gratiae et
rumpens chirographum audit ab omnibus: Alleluia.

Psi

Psallentes tuam genituram, favoramus omnes sicut animatum templum,
Dei Genitrix: in tuo enim habitans utero, qui continet omnia manu
Dominus sanctificavit, glorificavit, docuit clamare tibi omnes:

Ave tabernaculum Dei et Verbi.
Ave sancta sanctorum major.
Ave archa Sancto deaurata Spiritu.
Ave thesaurus vitae inconsummabilis.
Ave honorificum diadema imperatorum piorum.
Ave glorificatio colenda sacerdotum venerabilium.
Ave ecclesiae immobilis columna.
Ave imperii inexpugnabilis murus.
Ave per quam surgunt trophes.
Ave per quam hostes corruunt.
Ave animae meae patrocinatio.
Ave lucis meae medela.
Ave sponsa insponsata.

Omega

Omnilauda mater quae genuisti omnium sanctorum sanctissimum Verbum,
suscipiens igitur oblationem ab omni erue calamitate omnes eta futura
libera punitione qui sic clamant: Alleluia.

***

This Latin version has been dated to about the year 825 by Dom Michel
Huglo.The Latin version has small textual variations in common with a
family of Greek manuscript versions which originate in South Italy -
the Latin must therfore belong to the same family. One may thus
suppose that this transation was not done in Constantinople, but in
Italy. This supposition is strengthened by the fact that at the end
of the short strophes, the traditional "Alleluia" has been replaced
with "Ave sponsa insponsata". Could this reason be the supression of
the "Alleluia" during Lent in the West? In the version above, I have
restored the alleluias to their customary places - the original
has "Ave sponsa insponsata".

For further information, look up "L'ancienne version latine de
l'Hymne Acathiste" by Dom Michel Huglo,"Le Mus+¬on" Vol. 64 (1951),
pp. 27-61.

[JoeZollars]

Trisagion:

Sanctus Deus
Sanctus fortis
Sanctus immortalis
Miserere nobis

Paschal Troparion:

Christus Resurrexit! Vere Resurrexit!

Christus resurrexit e mortuis, morte mortem calcavit, et entibus in sepulcris vitam donavit.


Obviosly you can also take the Creed (in the section on the Holy Spirit change "...Patricum Filioque..." to "...Patre...").  I am working on an arrangement of Credo III that adjusts for the lack of the filioque.

Joe Zollars

[Tosha]

Wowzers!  

That's great!

Thanks oodles!


Tosha

[David]

Tosha,

You have a very nice homepage.  I was involved in SCA activies several years ago.  Nice to see another SCAdian out there.  I believe Ebor also is a former SCA member.

[Tosha]

Thanks, David!

It's in a constant state of flux -- sort of like my lifestyle.  

There are a few OrthoSCAdians, but I've met very few. We're not as well represented as... um... others are, I fear.


Tosha

[David]

You're very correct.  I quit in the middle of my freshman year in college when I realized my local canton was more concerned with promoting polyamory than mediaevalism.  But being in the SCA can develop a love for history which has led more than a few into Orthodoxy.  

Good to have you aboard.

[Tosha]

I've seen those groups. Oy...

Tosha

[JoeZollars]

Perhaps it is the early hour of the day (from my perspective anyway), but I can't seem to remember what SCA stands for.  could you please illumine me?

Joe Zollars

[Tosha]

Society for Creative Anachronism.


Tosha

[JoeZollars]

ah I see!

Joe Zollars

[Brigid of Kildare]

Tosha,

You can find the Latin translation of the Divine Liturgy of St John Chrysostom by Erasmus at

http://www.odox.net/Liturgy/Liturgia%20Sci.%20Joannis%20Chrysostomi.pdf

[David]

If you're interested Joe, their homepage is www.sca.org.  For the most part they're a good group, but like many things that attract geeks they get their share of deviants from time to time.  (But of course you knew that seeing as how I once was a member. )

[JoeZollars]

Thanks for the link!

Joe Zollars

[Tosha]

You can find the Latin translation of the Divine Liturgy of St John Chrysostom by Erasmus at

Wow, cool beans!

Thanks!

Tosha

[JoeZollars]

I am also looking for Orthodox Prayers in Latin.  Does anyone have any others?

Joe Zollars

[Ebor]

Just found this thread.  The SCA (and a college roommate going for a doctorate in the subject) is what started my interest in Anglo-Saxon and Norse history that I've hauled out in some threads here.  Family things have kept me away from it for some years but it was fun (and educational!) Sword combat (rattan swords) cooking, music, scientific persuits... It was good.  And mostly harmless (just wear your helm into combat).

Ebor

[Fr. David]

Joe,

Here's a link to praying the Chotki/Rosary in the western way...English/Latin

http://www.romanorthodox.com/sanctuary/psalter.html

[Fr. David]

"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est."

   -- What do you have against designated hitters, anyway, Joe?  :cheeky:

[JoeZollars]

teehehehe

Congrats, you are the first to figure out what it means!  

Joe Zollars

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