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Is it just me or does this sound totally wrong???
« on: November 29, 2002, 10:54:01 PM »
I found this on the Vatican site, and can anyone make this sound right? It says that God is our Mother. WTF?

http://www.vatican.va/spirit/documents/spirit_20010807_giuliana-norwich_en.html

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Re:Is it just me or does this sound totally wrong???
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2002, 04:10:51 AM »
Nik,
It sounds totally wrong and doesn't really sit right with me. Last time I checked it was "Our Father..." and such.

WTF is right.

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Re:Is it just me or does this sound totally wrong???
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2002, 04:49:04 AM »
Hmmm,

Not totally sure that I am totally in agreement with you here. This is really only a very short extract from 'Revelations of Divine Love'

Mother Julian also gives the image of a child when it has done wrong , running to it's Mother and hiding it's face in her as we turn to The Father when we have done wrong. She [ Mother Julian ] is not saying anywhere that God is not Our Father.

Can we always understand what mystics say/write ?
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2002, 12:00:37 PM »
Good point - no more feminist than the biblical metaphor of God as the Divine Hen.
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Re:Is it just me or does this sound totally wrong???
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2002, 12:50:39 AM »
Cool it, Nik.  And watch your mouth.

In Greek, the Holy Trinity is feminine.

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Re:Is it just me or does this sound totally wrong???
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2002, 01:01:18 AM »
Does not the Slavonic "Bozhe" carry a feminine connotation?

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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2002, 08:44:37 AM »
No, the Slavonic/archaic Russian -æ-+-¦-¦ doesn't carry a feminine connotation. It's simply the vocative (direct address) case of -æ-+-¦, which grammatically is masculine. In several languages the word for Trinity (Latin Trinitas, Spanish Trinidad, Slavonic and Russian -ó-Ç-+-+-å-¦) is feminine but that doesn't mean the speakers believe God is female. (Technically, 'gender' is a grammatical term - being male or female is correctly called 'sex' but the meaning of that word has narrowed in practice.)
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Re:Is it just me or does this sound totally wrong???
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2002, 04:22:07 PM »
Yes, naturally gender is another matter.  As in French and other languages, we assign a gender to every noun, and some that describe God (power, wisdom, love, etc) are feminine, without impacting upon God in the manner some folks with an agenda would like.

I do not think we have a vocative form except for the "Ya" that may or may not preceed the noun addressed.

Example:
.+è+º +º+ä+ä+æ+ç

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