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Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« on: September 30, 2010, 10:02:01 AM »


I am shocked that one of the icons written by Kiko Arguello, founder of the Neo catechumenate movement of the Roman Catholic Church.
Please condemn them of heresy! The monks of Djurdjevi Stupovi must be heretics. They are syncretists,using heretical images of Christ. Damnare, damnare!
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2010, 10:29:15 AM »
What ARE you talking about?
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2010, 10:39:05 AM »
You mean that icon:

It comes from Sinai and is 1500 year old. Much older than Kiko and his Roman Catholicism.
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2010, 11:03:11 AM »
You mean that icon:

It comes from Sinai and is 1500 year old. Much older than Kiko and his Roman Catholicism.
But the Neocatechumenical Way produces many copies of that icon. That is one of their trademarks.
I think that in the name of Orthodoxy you should destroy the copiers of the Orthodox icon. How dare Roman Catholics pray to icons.
 
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2010, 11:05:08 AM »
Is it the reason for the Orthodox Church to abandon Her heritage?
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2010, 11:26:09 AM »
You mean that icon:

It comes from Sinai and is 1500 year old. Much older than Kiko and his Roman Catholicism.
But the Neocatechumenical Way produces many copies of that icon. That is one of their trademarks.
I think that in the name of Orthodoxy you should destroy the copiers of the Orthodox icon. How dare Roman Catholics pray to icons.
 
Why don't we destroy his "Roman Catholicism" instead?
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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2010, 12:57:56 PM »

Why don't we destroy his "Roman Catholicism" instead?

And here we have it. Isa's true feelings concerning the Catholic Church. Now it is painfully clear where his anti-Catholic posts come from.
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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2010, 01:17:46 PM »

Why don't we destroy his "Roman Catholicism" instead?

And here we have it. Isa's true feelings concerning the Catholic Church. Now it is painfully clear where his anti-Catholic posts come from.

Nothing will be said to him.  It is an Orthodox forum.

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2010, 01:38:42 PM »
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How dare Roman Catholics pray to icons.

Yeah, next thing you know, they'll be saying the Jesus Prayer, and you know what happens after that, right?  One moment they're at the Greek Festival, eating their gyro's and getting a tour of the quaint little Orthodox parish, and then the next moment... BAM! they're chrismated, and insisting that their wives call them by their new name, Barsanuphius Alexanderovovovitch, from now on.  :P
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2010, 01:44:00 PM »
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How dare Roman Catholics pray to icons.

Yeah, next thing you know, they'll be saying the Jesus Prayer, and you know what happens after that, right?  One moment they're at the Greek Festival, eating their gyro's and getting a tour of the quaint little Orthodox parish, and then the next moment... BAM! they're chrismated, and insisting that their wives call them by their new name, Barsanuphius Alexanderovovovitch, from now on.  :P

 ;D this definitely made me laugh.
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2010, 01:53:12 PM »
You mean that icon:

It comes from Sinai and is 1500 year old. Much older than Kiko and his Roman Catholicism.
But the Neocatechumenical Way produces many copies of that icon. That is one of their trademarks.
I think that in the name of Orthodoxy you should destroy the copiers of the Orthodox icon. How dare Roman Catholics pray to icons.
 
Are you serious, or are you just trolling for a reaction?
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2010, 01:59:09 PM »
You mean that icon:

It comes from Sinai and is 1500 year old. Much older than Kiko and his Roman Catholicism.
But the Neocatechumenical Way produces many copies of that icon. That is one of their trademarks.
I think that in the name of Orthodoxy you should destroy the copiers of the Orthodox icon. How dare Roman Catholics pray to icons.
 
Are you serious, or are you just trolling for a reaction?
I think he's being quite funny.
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2010, 02:14:38 PM »
I think he's being quite funny.

Ah, so he is funny and witifully ironic, but Isa is being serious. :) Aham.
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2010, 02:20:14 PM »
I think he's being quite funny.

Ah, so he is funny and witifully ironic, but Isa is being serious. :) Aham.

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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2010, 02:20:55 PM »
I think he's being quite funny.

Ah, so he is funny and witifully ironic, but Isa is being serious. :) Aham.
Isa is an anti-Catholic polemicist. synLeszka is merely being satirical with regard to persons like Isa.
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« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2010, 02:34:37 PM »
Isa is an anti-Catholic polemicist. synLeszka is merely being satirical with regard to persons like Isa.

I think one has to have degrees here. When you say "anti-catholic" do you mean a person who simply opposes what he thinks is wrong or someone who really doesn't care if it's right or wrong, but only wants to be "against"?

I think Isa falls in the first type. Maria and you seem to think that there are no significant differences between Orthodoxy and RC and that the RC is separated just due to the pettiness of small-minded individuals, in the RC maybe, but mostly in the Orthodox church. People like Isa probably.

Now, *if* that is the case, then, of course, you are failing to acknowledge that there are very many people in RC and Orthodoxy who think the differences are far deeper than simply people's bad attitude, but are theological in essence. *If* that is the case, you are failing to concede and respect the fact that people evaluate these differences differently. And this difference in evaluation is the border that puts side by side, traditionalist Orthodox and RCs on one side and ecumenist Orthodox and RC on the other.  That is why I think that, due to the tendency to the creation of a world government, we will eventually end with a new global pseudo-church that will come from the field of the ecumenists and which will marginalize and demonize those on the other side of the border, both RCs and Orthodox (and Protestants).
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2010, 02:39:49 PM »
Isa is an anti-Catholic polemicist. synLeszka is merely being satirical with regard to persons like Isa.

I think one has to have degrees here. When you say "anti-catholic" do you mean a person who simply opposes what he thinks is wrong or someone who really doesn't care if it's right or wrong, but only wants to be "against"?

I think Isa falls in the first type. Maria and you seem to think that there are no significant differences between Orthodoxy and RC and that the RC is separated just due to the pettiness of small-minded individuals, in the RC maybe, but mostly in the Orthodox church. People like Isa probably.

Now, *if* that is the case, then, of course, you are failing to acknowledge that there are very many people in RC and Orthodoxy who think the differences are far deeper than simply people's bad attitude, but are theological in essence. *If* that is the case, you are failing to concede and respect the fact that people evaluate these differences differently. And this difference in evaluation is the border that puts side by side, traditionalist Orthodox and RCs on one side and ecumenist Orthodox and RC on the other.  That is why I think that, due to the tendency to the creation of a world government, we will eventually end with a new global pseudo-church that will come from the field of the ecumenists and which will marginalize and demonize those on the other side of the border, both RCs and Orthodox (and Protestants).
Why do you think that I think that there are no significant differences? A few days ago I wrote a post that said that there are reasons why we are not ready to be communion with eachother. I think you are making assumptions that are not based in reality.

That being said, I think Isa is not only agains the Catholic Church because he against some of her teachings. I think he is against the Catholic Church because he likes being against her. If anything, it probably comes from his Lutheran background.
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2010, 03:04:32 PM »
Is there an actual discussion topic going on here related to the OP?

Making copies of icons is fine. Most icons are copies of other icons. They all do what icons are supposed to do.

As for Roman Catholics venerating icons, they would not really be Roman Catholics if they did not. Despite Bernard of Clairvaux's artistic simplification and modern Roman artistic strangulation, the Roman Catholic Church has not officially embraced the heresy of iconoclasm.
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2010, 03:21:54 PM »

Why don't we destroy his "Roman Catholicism" instead?

And here we have it. Isa's true feelings concerning the Catholic Church. Now it is painfully clear where his anti-Catholic posts come from.

Nothing will be said to him.  It is an Orthodox forum.


Please.  Isa has quite a long "rap sheet" on here.  He is under just as much scrutiny as you are and when he breaks the rules, he is punished.

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2010, 03:24:43 PM »
Why do you think that I think that there are no significant differences? A few days ago I wrote a post that said that there are reasons why we are not ready to be communion with eachother. I think you are making assumptions that are not based in reality.

I supposed that, and because it was a supposition I highlighted the "ifs". I was wrong. Good. :)

That being said, I think Isa is not only agains the Catholic Church because he against some of her teachings. I think he is against the Catholic Church because he likes being against her. If anything, it probably comes from his Lutheran background.

That's an assumption. :)


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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2010, 03:27:32 PM »
Isa is an anti-Catholic polemicist. synLeszka is merely being satirical with regard to persons like Isa.

I think one has to have degrees here. When you say "anti-catholic" do you mean a person who simply opposes what he thinks is wrong or someone who really doesn't care if it's right or wrong, but only wants to be "against"?

I think Isa falls in the first type. Maria and you seem to think that there are no significant differences between Orthodoxy and RC and that the RC is separated just due to the pettiness of small-minded individuals, in the RC maybe, but mostly in the Orthodox church. People like Isa probably.

Now, *if* that is the case, then, of course, you are failing to acknowledge that there are very many people in RC and Orthodoxy who think the differences are far deeper than simply people's bad attitude, but are theological in essence. *If* that is the case, you are failing to concede and respect the fact that people evaluate these differences differently. And this difference in evaluation is the border that puts side by side, traditionalist Orthodox and RCs on one side and ecumenist Orthodox and RC on the other.  That is why I think that, due to the tendency to the creation of a world government, we will eventually end with a new global pseudo-church that will come from the field of the ecumenists and which will marginalize and demonize those on the other side of the border, both RCs and Orthodox (and Protestants).

Good Lord!!  What a horrible prognostication!

I hope this is not what happens at all.  I truly hope that all of us can winkle the planks out of our eyes and take another look at one another, rather than settling for something that is representative of neither one!!

Do I believe there are huge blind spots cultivated in Orthodoxy with respect to the Catholic reality....Yes, indeed I do think that.  Do I think that it is just small minds who do that?  No.  I don't.  And that is the worst part of it!!

On the other hand, there is a horrid amount of ignorance among many of the faithful and add to that the failure of our educational system to create people who can reason and think clearly and it can indeed get messy internally, much less cross-confessional.  

But I think there are enough who can think and see clearly, who can do more than cut and paste and are willing to put their own values and beliefs and perceptions on the table for critique and consideration, there are enough historians who have large enough parts of the past at hand, and well documented and digested,  that we are not bereft and there is no need to conjure a future where there are two competing remnants and one bulging false middle!!...or one anemic false middle and two bulging outliers...however you see the numbers going, I don't know.

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2010, 03:30:46 PM »

Why don't we destroy his "Roman Catholicism" instead?

And here we have it. Isa's true feelings concerning the Catholic Church. Now it is painfully clear where his anti-Catholic posts come from.

Nothing will be said to him.  It is an Orthodox forum.


Please.  Isa has quite a long "rap sheet" on here.  He is under just as much scrutiny as you are and when he breaks the rules, he is punished.

And now I will put on my moderator hat.

This is a general warning.  Steer clear of ad hominems in this thread.  There will be no slaps on the wrist.  You will not pass Go.  You will not collect $200.  YOU WILL BE DEALT WITH SHOULD YOU TOSS AN AD HOMINEM IN THIS THREAD.

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Sorry, Schultz and everybody.  I don't want Isa to be "punished" at all.  I was just sore.

Pardon, and we'll do our best Schultz!!

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2010, 04:12:26 PM »
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How dare Roman Catholics pray to icons.

Yeah, next thing you know, they'll be saying the Jesus Prayer, and you know what happens after that, right?  One moment they're at the Greek Festival, eating their gyro's and getting a tour of the quaint little Orthodox parish, and then the next moment... BAM! they're chrismated, and insisting that their wives call them by their new name, Barsanuphius Alexanderovovovitch, from now on.  :P

Since my name is derived from Kyrillos, I tried to get my wife to call me lord and/or master. Bad move!  8)

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« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2010, 04:37:40 PM »

Good Lord!!  What a horrible prognostication!



I know. I *am* rather pessimistic of ecumenism in general. First because we know there will be a global kingdom of the Antichrist. We know that it *will* look very holy for everybody in the beginning, and that in its last years, the mask will fall, and it will persecute the church. Now, of course, for those doing the persecution, that kingdom will still look holy to them, and their persecution will seem perfectly justified and legitimate.

Second, we *are* on the border of a huge change in human history. We are living the very construction of the first global society ever. Does this mean that once global government is put up, its first leader (probably a "president" or "secretary-general") will be the AntiChrist? I don't know. Maybe the Antichrist will need a more consolidated global government. Maybe even a more "universal" government than we think (yes, I do think that we might extend human society to other planets and even galaxies, maybe even more).

Anyway, a unified global religion under which all religions could be relativized would be the ideal supporter of such government. And, despite the best intentions of all sides, politically, the forces are thus divided:

1 - Traditionalists on each side that think that true union means conversion of some sort. These are a minority. Moscow certainly is here.
2 - Realpolitik traditionalists share the belief of traditionalists, but think that conversion can be achieved through diplomacy, face saving of the other side, finding words that could be accepted by all involved sides and dialogue. Rome is most definetily here.
3 - Self-correctors and politically correct ones are those in each church who, with different degrees, either hesitate to boldly affirm their faiths or think their own side is the one who has caused the division and thus that it should accept the other side terms (with different degrees of acceptance of such terms); Sometimes I think it is here that Constantinople is.
4 - Relativists who think that we all adore the same God under different expressions. To them, the divisions are but misunderstandings. Here lie most of the Protestant and liberal denominations;
5 - Globalists who really don't care about theology or truth. They want to be in the global jetset, they feel the power of the new rising global elite and want to be part of it. These are infiltrated in all sides and many if not all the secular sponsors of these movements;

The problem is that (1) and (2) are the only ones that actually play some resistance to the wave that (3), (4) and (5) are. The problem is that in this wave, just the globalists really know what they want and have a creative motivation. Thus, (3) and (4) will play along their tunes even when they think they are acting independently. The globalist camp, then, has numbers on its side: the whole mass of (3) and (4), the secular globalists, not to mention the non-Christian and outright anti-Christian people and forces which would rather have a fake merely social and ethical church.

That is why I believe that the tendency is the formation of a globalist church that will be untrue to all traditions although having a discourse impressive enough so that its generic utterances, meaning nothing, will be able to be understood as whatever one wants and this will be given as proof that they are true to all traditions. Under this reality, (1) and (2) will first be labelled as exotic and excentric, than as incovenient, than as outright schismatic, than as dangerous and persecution of Christians will resume but acted by false Christians against the true ones, as a total inversion that is typical of the kingdom of AntiChrist.

Is that for 10 or a 10,000 years? I don't know. I do know that if it were in 10 years I wouldn't be impressed because all the elements are all put together. And make no mistake, the head of this new church will probably call himself pope of Rome, even if traditionalists RCs wouldn't recognize him to be so. As St. Gregory the Great said, the title of "universal patriarch" is a sign of the precursor of the Antichrist. This false primate, very probably in my opinion, will be he who the book of Revelation call the "False Prophet" who will direct the people to worship the AntiChrist.

Well, I think that's enough for a Fabian Pessimistic Theology. :)
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2010, 04:43:44 PM »

Good Lord!!  What a horrible prognostication!



I know. I *am* rather pessimistic of ecumenism in general. First because we know there will be a global kingdom of the Antichrist. We know that it *will* look very holy for everybody in the beginning, and that in its last years, the mask will fall, and it will persecute the church. Now, of course, for those doing the persecution, that kingdom will still look holy to them, and their persecution will seem perfectly justified and legitimate.

Second, we *are* on the border of a huge change in human history. We are living the very construction of the first global society ever. Does this mean that once global government is put up, its first leader (probably a "president" or "secretary-general") will be the AntiChrist? I don't know. Maybe the Antichrist will need a more consolidated global government. Maybe even a more "universal" government than we think (yes, I do think that we might extend human society to other planets and even galaxies, maybe even more).

Anyway, a unified global religion under which all religions could be relativized would be the ideal supporter of such government. And, despite the best intentions of all sides, politically, the forces are thus divided:

1 - Traditionalists on each side that think that true union means conversion of some sort. These are a minority. Moscow certainly is here.
2 - Realpolitik traditionalists share the belief of traditionalists, but think that conversion can be achieved through diplomacy, face saving of the other side, finding words that could be accepted by all involved sides and dialogue. Rome is most definetily here.
3 - Self-correctors and politically correct ones are those in each church who, with different degrees, either hesitate to boldly affirm their faiths or think their own side is the one who has caused the division and thus that it should accept the other side terms (with different degrees of acceptance of such terms); Sometimes I think it is here that Constantinople is.
4 - Relativists who think that we all adore the same God under different expressions. To them, the divisions are but misunderstandings. Here lie most of the Protestant and liberal denominations;
5 - Globalists who really don't care about theology or truth. They want to be in the global jetset, they feel the power of the new rising global elite and want to be part of it. These are infiltrated in all sides and many if not all the secular sponsors of these movements;

The problem is that (1) and (2) are the only ones that actually play some resistance to the wave that (3), (4) and (5). The problem is that in this wave, just (5) really know what they want and have a creative motivation. Thus, (3) and (4) will play along their tunes even when they think they are acting independently. The globalist camp, then, has numbers on its side: the whole mass of (3) and (4), the secular globalists, not to mention the non-Christian and outright anti-Christian people and forces which would rather have a fake merely social and ethical church.

That is why I believe that the tendency is the formation of a globalist church that will be untrue to all traditions although having a discourse impressive enough so that its generic utterances, meaning nothing, will be able to be understood as whatever one wants and this will be given as proof that they are true to all traditions. Under this reality, (1) and (2) will first be labelled as exotic and excentric, than as incovenient, than as outright schismatic, than as dangerous and persecution will of Christians will resume but acted by false Christians against the true ones, as a total inversion that is typical of the kingdom of AntiChrist.

Is that for 10 or a 10,000 years? I don't know. I do know that if it were in 10 years I wouldn't be impressed because all the elements are all put together. And make no mistake, the head of this new church will probably call himself pope of Rome, even if traditionalists RCs wouldn't recognize him to be so. As St. Gregory the Great said, the title of "universal patriarch" is a sign of the precursor of the Antichrist. This false primate, very probably in my opinion, will be he who the book of Revelation call the "False Prophet" who will direct the people to worship the AntiChrist.

Well, I think that's enough for a Fabian Pessimistic Theology. :)

Oh my goodness!!  Yes.  Find another obsession soon please.... :laugh:

I just look at all this, my eyes glaze over and I reach out and pick up my Psalter  :angel:

But I won't be so inclined to be so hard on you now that I know the "monkey" on your back!!

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2010, 04:51:25 PM »
You mean that icon:

It comes from Sinai and is 1500 year old. Much older than Kiko and his Roman Catholicism.
But the Neocatechumenical Way produces many copies of that icon. That is one of their trademarks.
I think that in the name of Orthodoxy you should destroy the copiers of the Orthodox icon. How dare Roman Catholics pray to icons...
 

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2010, 05:40:50 PM »


I am shocked that one of the icons written by Kiko Arguello, founder of the Neo catechumenate movement of the Roman Catholic Church.
Please condemn them of heresy! The monks of Djurdjevi Stupovi must be heretics. They are syncretists,using heretical images of Christ. Damnare, damnare!

Trolling? 

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2010, 06:08:55 AM »
 ;D I am just joking. I was just trying to build on the vibes I am receiving from you all.

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2010, 08:31:52 AM »
You mean that icon:

It comes from Sinai and is 1500 year old. Much older than Kiko and his Roman Catholicism.
But the Neocatechumenical Way produces many copies of that icon. That is one of their trademarks.
I think that in the name of Orthodoxy you should destroy the copiers of the Orthodox icon. How dare Roman Catholics pray to icons...
 

Don't You and the rest of the Polish People Venerate A Byzantine Ikona Stolen from the East,,So if you want to Get rid of Icons Start with that one ...By Giving it Back...
LOL. Bravo.
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2010, 01:53:56 PM »
You mean that icon:

It comes from Sinai and is 1500 year old. Much older than Kiko and his Roman Catholicism.
But the Neocatechumenical Way produces many copies of that icon. That is one of their trademarks.
I think that in the name of Orthodoxy you should destroy the copiers of the Orthodox icon. How dare Roman Catholics pray to icons...
 

Don't You and the rest of the Polish People Venerate A Byzantine Ikona Stolen from the East,,So if you want to Get rid of Icons Start with that one ...By Giving it Back...
LOL. Bravo.

Yeah, because we modern day Catholics are totally accountable for what some Catholic individuals did hundreds of years ago.  ::)

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2010, 01:58:03 PM »
You mean that icon:

It comes from Sinai and is 1500 year old. Much older than Kiko and his Roman Catholicism.
But the Neocatechumenical Way produces many copies of that icon. That is one of their trademarks.
I think that in the name of Orthodoxy you should destroy the copiers of the Orthodox icon. How dare Roman Catholics pray to icons...
 

Don't You and the rest of the Polish People Venerate A Byzantine Ikona Stolen from the East,,So if you want to Get rid of Icons Start with that one ...By Giving it Back...
LOL. Bravo.

Yeah, because we modern day Catholics are totally accountable for what some Catholic individuals did hundreds of years ago.  ::)
Wyatt, you know very well that you sacked Constantinople.  ;)   :D
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #31 on: October 01, 2010, 02:13:06 PM »

Yeah, because we modern day Catholics are totally accountable for what some Catholic individuals did hundreds of years ago.  ::)
Wyatt, you know very well that you sacked Constantinople.  ;)   :D

Actually, I was the one who sacked Constantinople. Sorry guys. It wasn't even the Franks. I was covering for them. :(
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2010, 02:22:21 PM »
You mean that icon:

It comes from Sinai and is 1500 year old. Much older than Kiko and his Roman Catholicism.
But the Neocatechumenical Way produces many copies of that icon. That is one of their trademarks.
I think that in the name of Orthodoxy you should destroy the copiers of the Orthodox icon. How dare Roman Catholics pray to icons...
 

Don't You and the rest of the Polish People Venerate A Byzantine Ikona Stolen from the East,,So if you want to Get rid of Icons Start with that one ...By Giving it Back...
LOL. Bravo.

Yeah, because we modern day Catholics are totally accountable for what some Catholic individuals did hundreds of years ago.  ::)
You "modern day catholics" still have it.

I venerated the Black Madonna when I was in Poland.  Lo and behold, it was in the possession of a Latin monastery, not even an Eastern one in submission.  And no, that wasn't hundreds of years ago.
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2010, 02:36:28 PM »

Yeah, because we modern day Catholics are totally accountable for what some Catholic individuals did hundreds of years ago.  ::)
Wyatt, you know very well that you sacked Constantinople.  ;)   :D

Actually, I was the one who sacked Constantinople. Sorry guys. It wasn't even the Franks. I was covering for them. :(
Wait... I sacked Constantinople... I'm getting confused.
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2010, 02:47:55 PM »
You mean that icon:

It comes from Sinai and is 1500 year old. Much older than Kiko and his Roman Catholicism.
But the Neocatechumenical Way produces many copies of that icon. That is one of their trademarks.
I think that in the name of Orthodoxy you should destroy the copiers of the Orthodox icon. How dare Roman Catholics pray to icons...
 

Don't You and the rest of the Polish People Venerate A Byzantine Ikona Stolen from the East,,So if you want to Get rid of Icons Start with that one ...By Giving it Back...
LOL. Bravo.

Yeah, because we modern day Catholics are totally accountable for what some Catholic individuals did hundreds of years ago.  ::)
You "modern day catholics" still have it.

I venerated the Black Madonna when I was in Poland.  Lo and behold, it was in the possession of a Latin monastery, not even an Eastern one in submission.  And no, that wasn't hundreds of years ago.

We'll return your Icons after you return our churches. Constantinople was a Catholic See for 1054 years. ;)

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #35 on: October 01, 2010, 03:13:20 PM »
You mean that icon:

It comes from Sinai and is 1500 year old. Much older than Kiko and his Roman Catholicism.
But the Neocatechumenical Way produces many copies of that icon. That is one of their trademarks.
I think that in the name of Orthodoxy you should destroy the copiers of the Orthodox icon. How dare Roman Catholics pray to icons...
 

Don't You and the rest of the Polish People Venerate A Byzantine Ikona Stolen from the East,,So if you want to Get rid of Icons Start with that one ...By Giving it Back...
LOL. Bravo.

Yeah, because we modern day Catholics are totally accountable for what some Catholic individuals did hundreds of years ago.  ::)
You "modern day catholics" still have it.

I venerated the Black Madonna when I was in Poland.  Lo and behold, it was in the possession of a Latin monastery, not even an Eastern one in submission.  And no, that wasn't hundreds of years ago.

We'll return your Icons after you return our churches. Constantinople was a Catholic See for 1054 years. ;)

And still is.  If only the Roman See were still around....
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #36 on: October 01, 2010, 03:27:58 PM »
You mean that icon:

It comes from Sinai and is 1500 year old. Much older than Kiko and his Roman Catholicism.
But the Neocatechumenical Way produces many copies of that icon. That is one of their trademarks.
I think that in the name of Orthodoxy you should destroy the copiers of the Orthodox icon. How dare Roman Catholics pray to icons...
 

Don't You and the rest of the Polish People Venerate A Byzantine Ikona Stolen from the East,,So if you want to Get rid of Icons Start with that one ...By Giving it Back...
LOL. Bravo.

Yeah, because we modern day Catholics are totally accountable for what some Catholic individuals did hundreds of years ago.  ::)
You "modern day catholics" still have it.

I venerated the Black Madonna when I was in Poland.  Lo and behold, it was in the possession of a Latin monastery, not even an Eastern one in submission.  And no, that wasn't hundreds of years ago.

We'll return your Icons after you return our churches. Constantinople was a Catholic See for 1054 years. ;)

And still is.  If only the Roman See were still around....
We're talkiing about taking care of that matter here:
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #37 on: October 01, 2010, 03:46:53 PM »

Why don't we destroy his "Roman Catholicism" instead?

And here we have it. Isa's true feelings concerning the Catholic Church. Now it is painfully clear where his anti-Catholic posts come from.

Wait... him claiming a desire to destroy Romanism is somehow surprising to you?

Don't you realize that most of the people on this site would choose to destroy your religion, by the conversion of all of its members to Orthodoxy, if given the chance?

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #38 on: October 01, 2010, 03:49:55 PM »

Why don't we destroy his "Roman Catholicism" instead?

And here we have it. Isa's true feelings concerning the Catholic Church. Now it is painfully clear where his anti-Catholic posts come from.

Wait... him claiming a desire to destroy Romanism is somehow surprising to you?

Don't you realize that most of the people on this site would choose to destroy your religion, by the conversion of all of its members to Orthodoxy, if given the chance?
What is Romanism?
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #39 on: October 01, 2010, 03:52:41 PM »

Why don't we destroy his "Roman Catholicism" instead?

And here we have it. Isa's true feelings concerning the Catholic Church. Now it is painfully clear where his anti-Catholic posts come from.

Wait... him claiming a desire to destroy Romanism is somehow surprising to you?

Don't you realize that most of the people on this site would choose to destroy your religion, by the conversion of all of its members to Orthodoxy, if given the chance?
What is Romanism?

Your religion.

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #40 on: October 01, 2010, 03:54:45 PM »

Why don't we destroy his "Roman Catholicism" instead?

And here we have it. Isa's true feelings concerning the Catholic Church. Now it is painfully clear where his anti-Catholic posts come from.

Wait... him claiming a desire to destroy Romanism is somehow surprising to you?

Don't you realize that most of the people on this site would choose to destroy your religion, by the conversion of all of its members to Orthodoxy, if given the chance?
What is Romanism?

Your religion.
No it's not. Let me check my parish website.... Nope, it's not called a Romanist Church. In fact, I have never seen a "Romanist" Church anywhere.... Ever. Are you sure you know what you are talking about?
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #41 on: October 01, 2010, 03:55:31 PM »
Deusveritasest,
perhaps you have me confused with someone else. Is there brand new denomination going by the name "Romanist"? I probably just haven't heard of it.
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2010, 03:58:20 PM »
Deusveritasest,
I looked all over the internet and couldn't find a Church officially called "Romanist".

Here is a list of Christian denominations on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations

Couldn't find "Romanist" on there. Can you tell me what are the distinctive beliefs of the "Romanists"?
Thanks
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #43 on: October 01, 2010, 04:02:23 PM »

Why don't we destroy his "Roman Catholicism" instead?

And here we have it. Isa's true feelings concerning the Catholic Church. Now it is painfully clear where his anti-Catholic posts come from.

Wait... him claiming a desire to destroy Romanism is somehow surprising to you?

Don't you realize that most of the people on this site would choose to destroy your religion, by the conversion of all of its members to Orthodoxy, if given the chance?
What is Romanism?

Your religion.
No it's not. Let me check my parish website.... Nope, it's not called a Romanist Church. In fact, I have never seen a "Romanist" Church anywhere.... Ever. Are you sure you know what you are talking about?

I never said that it is what you call yourselves. It's what I call your religion, because, as I have already explained, I refuse to dignify it with the name Catholic.

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #44 on: October 01, 2010, 04:03:50 PM »
BTW, you're just playing dumb, because I call the "Eastern Orthodox" Byzantines in a refusal to call them Orthodox and they know what I am talking about.

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« Reply #45 on: October 01, 2010, 04:05:26 PM »
BTW, you're just playing dumb, because I call the "Eastern Orthodox" Byzantines in a refusal to call them Orthodox and they know what I am talking about.
I'm not playing dumb. I have just never heard of a "Romanist" organization. Again, I invite you to browse the Wikipedia article.
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #46 on: October 01, 2010, 04:08:11 PM »
BTW, you're just playing dumb, because I call the "Eastern Orthodox" Byzantines in a refusal to call them Orthodox and they know what I am talking about.
I'm not playing dumb. I have just never heard of a "Romanist" organization. Again, I invite you to browse the Wikipedia article.

I just proved to you how you're playing dumb. The Byzantines know what I am talking about. You ever see an "Eastern Orthodox" congregation with the word "Byzantine" as their religious designation? All of them on this site manage to get it. On top of that, a number of your coreligionists have managed to understand the term "Romanist". So it's really obvious that you're just playing dumb.

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« Reply #47 on: October 01, 2010, 04:09:52 PM »
BTW, you're just playing dumb, because I call the "Eastern Orthodox" Byzantines in a refusal to call them Orthodox and they know what I am talking about.
I'm not playing dumb. I have just never heard of a "Romanist" organization. Again, I invite you to browse the Wikipedia article.

I just proved to you how you're playing dumb. The Byzantines know what I am talking about. You ever see an "Eastern Orthodox" congregation with the word "Byzantine" as their religious designation? All of them on this site manage to get it. On top of that, a number of your coreligionists have managed to understand the term "Romanist". So it's really obvious that you're just playing dumb.
Are you accusing me of being dumb just because there is not a single organization out there that I can identify that calls itself "Romanist"? If you know of one, just point it out so that I can learn about this group.
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #48 on: October 01, 2010, 04:11:24 PM »
BTW, you're just playing dumb, because I call the "Eastern Orthodox" Byzantines in a refusal to call them Orthodox and they know what I am talking about.
I'm not playing dumb. I have just never heard of a "Romanist" organization. Again, I invite you to browse the Wikipedia article.

I just proved to you how you're playing dumb. The Byzantines know what I am talking about. You ever see an "Eastern Orthodox" congregation with the word "Byzantine" as their religious designation? All of them on this site manage to get it. On top of that, a number of your coreligionists have managed to understand the term "Romanist". So it's really obvious that you're just playing dumb.
Are you accusing me of being dumb just because there is not a single organization out there that I can identify that calls itself "Romanist"? If you know of one, just point it out so that I can learn about this group.

It's already clear. I am accusing you of playing dumb for refusing to recognize what I mean by "Romanist" when it is incredibly obvious at this point.

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #49 on: October 01, 2010, 04:19:58 PM »
BTW, you're just playing dumb, because I call the "Eastern Orthodox" Byzantines in a refusal to call them Orthodox and they know what I am talking about.
I'm not playing dumb. I have just never heard of a "Romanist" organization. Again, I invite you to browse the Wikipedia article.

I just proved to you how you're playing dumb. The Byzantines know what I am talking about. You ever see an "Eastern Orthodox" congregation with the word "Byzantine" as their religious designation? All of them on this site manage to get it. On top of that, a number of your coreligionists have managed to understand the term "Romanist". So it's really obvious that you're just playing dumb.
Are you accusing me of being dumb just because there is not a single organization out there that I can identify that calls itself "Romanist"? If you know of one, just point it out so that I can learn about this group.

It's already clear. I am accusing you of playing dumb for refusing to recognize what I mean by "Romanist" when it is incredibly obvious at this point.
It's not an obvious point when there is no such organization. Perhaps it is some shadow group that none of us has ever heard of. You know you are being very cruel if you are criticizing me for not know about some information to which I am not privy.

BTW, not even "Spell Check" recognizes this "Romanist" organization.
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« Reply #50 on: October 01, 2010, 04:24:31 PM »
Yes, it is obvious that you are just playing dumb and if you are not willing to quit it then this conversation is over even though you have avoided the question I was trying to get at in the first place.  ::)

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« Reply #51 on: October 01, 2010, 04:25:47 PM »
Yes, it is obvious that you are just playing dumb and if you are not willing to quit it then this conversation is over even though you have avoided the question I was trying to get at in the first place.  ::)
Blast, you won't share your secret organization with me. What if they are after me and I don't know. For the sake of my safety, you must tell me about this secretive "Romanist" organization.
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #52 on: October 01, 2010, 04:47:35 PM »
BTW, you're just playing dumb, because I call the "Eastern Orthodox" Byzantines in a refusal to call them Orthodox and they know what I am talking about.

Wait, you mean all this time you've been meaning US and not the Byzantine Romanists?   :D
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #53 on: October 01, 2010, 04:55:47 PM »
it's nice to see we're back on this:

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #54 on: October 01, 2010, 05:05:03 PM »
BTW, you're just playing dumb, because I call the "Eastern Orthodox" Byzantines in a refusal to call them Orthodox and they know what I am talking about.

Wait, you mean all this time you've been meaning US and not the Byzantine Romanists?   :D

Seeing as how I've even used the two in distinction, and also used Byzantine and Oriental in distinction and relation to each other regarding the Joint Commission... yeah, I think you knew that.  ::)
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #55 on: October 01, 2010, 06:32:49 PM »
BTW, you're just playing dumb, because I call the "Eastern Orthodox" Byzantines in a refusal to call them Orthodox and they know what I am talking about.

Hey, the Byzantines were the real Romans, ya know! ;)

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #56 on: October 01, 2010, 06:35:58 PM »
BTW, you're just playing dumb, because I call the "Eastern Orthodox" Byzantines in a refusal to call them Orthodox and they know what I am talking about.

What I find unbelievable is that we can't call Eastern Catholics uniates, but an apostate can come onto an Orthodox forum and call the Orthodox "Byzantines".  :-/ 
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #57 on: October 01, 2010, 07:00:16 PM »
BTW, you're just playing dumb, because I call the "Eastern Orthodox" Byzantines in a refusal to call them Orthodox and they know what I am talking about.

Hey, the Byzantines were the real Romans, ya know! ;)

I don't care about the Romans. That has nothing to do with Orthodoxy or the Church.

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #58 on: October 01, 2010, 07:02:55 PM »
What I find unbelievable is that we can't call Eastern Catholics uniates,

I don't sympathize with that policy.

but an apostate

That must be a slam against Oriental Orthodoxy, because that is what I am joining.

can come onto an Orthodox forum and call the Orthodox "Byzantines".  :-/ 

This site is joint "Eastern Orthodox" and Oriental Orthodox.

It's not just "Eastern Orthodox" as you seem to be suggesting.

And it actually has been made clear and explicit that either party is free to refer to their own party as exclusively the Orthodox party. So what I am doing is addressed and protected because of the conjoint nature of this site.

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #59 on: October 01, 2010, 07:06:35 PM »
I would personally prefer to use the term "Melkite", as that is what the Oriental Orthodox have historically used to refer to you, but unfortunately the Romanists have confused the usage of that term.

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #60 on: October 01, 2010, 07:11:45 PM »
I would personally prefer to use the term "Melkite", as that is what the Oriental Orthodox have historically used to refer to you, but unfortunately the Romanists have confused the usage of that term.

Wouldn't it just be easier to stop acting like a child and refer to either church under its official name?

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #61 on: October 01, 2010, 07:13:16 PM »
I would personally prefer to use the term "Melkite", as that is what the Oriental Orthodox have historically used to refer to you, but unfortunately the Romanists have confused the usage of that term.

Wouldn't it just be easier to stop acting like a child and refer to either church under its official name?

How is it childish to refuse to refer to the unCatholic as Catholic and the unOrthodox as Orthodox?

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #62 on: October 01, 2010, 07:30:35 PM »
I would personally prefer to use the term "Melkite", as that is what the Oriental Orthodox have historically used to refer to you, but unfortunately the Romanists have confused the usage of that term.

Wouldn't it just be easier to stop acting like a child and refer to either church under its official name?

How is it childish to refuse to refer to the unCatholic as Catholic and the unOrthodox as Orthodox?
Well spoken for a guy with no church affiliation.
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #63 on: October 01, 2010, 07:36:04 PM »
I would personally prefer to use the term "Melkite", as that is what the Oriental Orthodox have historically used to refer to you, but unfortunately the Romanists have confused the usage of that term.

Wouldn't it just be easier to stop acting like a child and refer to either church under its official name?

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #64 on: October 01, 2010, 07:41:18 PM »
BTW, you're just playing dumb, because I call the "Eastern Orthodox" Byzantines in a refusal to call them Orthodox and they know what I am talking about.
I'm not playing dumb. I have just never heard of a "Romanist" organization. Again, I invite you to browse the Wikipedia article.

I just proved to you how you're playing dumb. The Byzantines know what I am talking about. You ever see an "Eastern Orthodox" congregation with the word "Byzantine" as their religious designation? All of them on this site manage to get it. On top of that, a number of your coreligionists have managed to understand the term "Romanist". So it's really obvious that you're just playing dumb.
Are you accusing me of being dumb just because there is not a single organization out there that I can identify that calls itself "Romanist"? If you know of one, just point it out so that I can learn about this group.

It's already clear. I am accusing you of playing dumb for refusing to recognize what I mean by "Romanist" when it is incredibly obvious at this point.
It's not an obvious point when there is no such organization. Perhaps it is some shadow group that none of us has ever heard of. You know you are being very cruel if you are criticizing me for not know about some information to which I am not privy.

BTW, not even "Spell Check" recognizes this "Romanist" organization.


>:( Off topic note: The spellchecker on this forum really is heretical (possibly nestorian), it does not recognize the title Theotokos to the mother of our saviour.   ;D
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #65 on: October 01, 2010, 07:48:57 PM »
I would personally prefer to use the term "Melkite", as that is what the Oriental Orthodox have historically used to refer to you, but unfortunately the Romanists have confused the usage of that term.
I would personally like to call you a Severian (perhaps a "headless" one as our Byzantine services refer to one of your party's founders).
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #66 on: October 01, 2010, 07:49:18 PM »
I would personally prefer to use the term "Melkite", as that is what the Oriental Orthodox have historically used to refer to you, but unfortunately the Romanists have confused the usage of that term.

Wouldn't it just be easier to stop acting like a child and refer to either church under its official name?
I think that would demonstrate christian charity and an attitude towards mutual respect. Unfortunately, some here would rather disrespect their christian brothers just to please their own personal agenda. In the end, I hope they understand that church membership does not guarantee them salvation. 'By their fruits they shall be known'.
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #67 on: October 01, 2010, 08:00:37 PM »
I thought we had some rules in place on this forum that forbids deliberately calling churches by derogatory names. I would think that ialmisry refusing to call Catholics anything except "the Vatican" would fall under this too since he's deliberately not calling us by the name we wish to be called.

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #68 on: October 01, 2010, 08:30:15 PM »
I thought we had some rules in place on this forum that forbids deliberately calling churches by derogatory names. I would think that ialmisry refusing to call Catholics anything except "the Vatican" would fall under this too since he's deliberately not calling us by the name we wish to be called.
Answered here
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,19903.msg477860/topicseen.html#msg477860
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #69 on: October 01, 2010, 08:54:59 PM »
I would personally prefer to use the term "Melkite", as that is what the Oriental Orthodox have historically used to refer to you, but unfortunately the Romanists have confused the usage of that term.
I would personally like to call you a Severian (perhaps a "headless" one as our Byzantine services refer to one of your party's founders).

...

OK. Why don't you?

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #70 on: October 01, 2010, 11:42:33 PM »
I would personally prefer to use the term "Melkite", as that is what the Oriental Orthodox have historically used to refer to you, but unfortunately the Romanists have confused the usage of that term.

Wouldn't it just be easier to stop acting like a child and refer to either church under its official name?

How is it childish to refuse to refer to the unCatholic as Catholic and the unOrthodox as Orthodox?

It isn't childish per se, however your attitude is childish.  You've made it clear that you don't accept the RCC to be "Catholic" nor the EOC to be "Orthodox."  You're entitled to your opinion but trust me, it won't kill you (or make you any less of an Orthodox Christian...once that day happens of course) to refer to these said churches by their official names; afterall, when the hierarchs of the OO churches are in ecumencial dialogue with the RCC and the EOC they refer to the latter churches by their official title. 

I would personally prefer to use the term "Melkite", as that is what the Oriental Orthodox have historically used to refer to you, but unfortunately the Romanists have confused the usage of that term.

Wouldn't it just be easier to stop acting like a child and refer to either church under its official name?

The Fathers had no difficulty in seeing the importance of protecting our brand name. Accept no imitations, nor copyright infringements.

Yes, and a number of EO Fathers were quick to condemn the OO churches of heresy (an opinion you appear to reject).  Are you accepting an "imitation", a "copyright infringement"?       

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #71 on: October 01, 2010, 11:50:39 PM »
BTW, you're just playing dumb, because I call the "Eastern Orthodox" Byzantines in a refusal to call them Orthodox and they know what I am talking about.

What I find unbelievable is that we can't call Eastern Catholics uniates, but an apostate can come onto an Orthodox forum and call the Orthodox "Byzantines".  :-/ 

You do realise that this forum was originally called byzantines.net, right?  :D ;D

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #72 on: October 02, 2010, 01:50:11 PM »
BTW, you're just playing dumb, because I call the "Eastern Orthodox" Byzantines in a refusal to call them Orthodox and they know what I am talking about.
Hey, do you ever call them "Byzantianists"? Just curious
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #73 on: October 02, 2010, 01:52:47 PM »
Duesveritasest,
I found the definition for your term "Romanist".

Ro·man·ist (rm-nst)
n.
1. Offensive One who professes Roman Catholicism.
2. A student of or authority on ancient Roman law, culture, and institutions.

So we have two options here. Either you are using an offensive term to describe Roman Catholics, which is against forum policy, or you are talking about a student of Roman law, culture, and institutions.

Interesting.
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #74 on: October 02, 2010, 03:11:23 PM »
Duesveritasest,
I found the definition for your term "Romanist".

Ro·man·ist (rm-nst)
n.
1. Offensive One who professes Roman Catholicism.
2. A student of or authority on ancient Roman law, culture, and institutions.

So we have two options here. Either you are using an offensive term to describe Roman Catholics, which is against forum policy, or you are talking about a student of Roman law, culture, and institutions.

Interesting.

This has already been discussed numerous times and because I have made it clear that I do not mean anything inherently offensive by the term, but rather use it to indicate the central role of the See of Rome in your religion, action by the moderators has not occurred, even though they analyzed the situation.

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #75 on: October 02, 2010, 03:11:53 PM »
BTW, you're just playing dumb, because I call the "Eastern Orthodox" Byzantines in a refusal to call them Orthodox and they know what I am talking about.
Hey, do you ever call them "Byzantianists"? Just curious

Seriously?  ::)

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #76 on: October 02, 2010, 09:53:57 PM »
BTW, you're just playing dumb, because I call the "Eastern Orthodox" Byzantines in a refusal to call them Orthodox and they know what I am talking about.
Hey, do you ever call them "Byzantianists"? Just curious

Seriously?  ::)

Well if you call us Romanists you really should call them Byzantianists so as not to appear partial.

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #77 on: October 03, 2010, 02:44:16 AM »
BTW, you're just playing dumb, because I call the "Eastern Orthodox" Byzantines in a refusal to call them Orthodox and they know what I am talking about.
Hey, do you ever call them "Byzantianists"? Just curious

Seriously?  ::)

Well if you call us Romanists you really should call them Byzantianists so as not to appear partial.

I am partial. I prefer the Byzantines to you.

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #78 on: October 03, 2010, 02:52:56 PM »


I am partial. I prefer the Byzantines to you.

Well isn't that special. ;)
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #79 on: October 03, 2010, 05:06:05 PM »
BTW, you're just playing dumb, because I call the "Eastern Orthodox" Byzantines in a refusal to call them Orthodox and they know what I am talking about.
Hey, do you ever call them "Byzantianists"? Just curious

Seriously?  ::)

Well if you call us Romanists you really should call them Byzantianists so as not to appear partial.

I am partial. I prefer the Byzantines to you.

Birds of a feather flock together.

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #80 on: October 03, 2010, 08:28:56 PM »
BTW, you're just playing dumb, because I call the "Eastern Orthodox" Byzantines in a refusal to call them Orthodox and they know what I am talking about.
Hey, do you ever call them "Byzantianists"? Just curious

Seriously?  ::)

Well if you call us Romanists you really should call them Byzantianists so as not to appear partial.

I am partial. I prefer the Byzantines to you.

Birds of a feather flock together.

Yes, of course I prefer them because they have deviated from the Apostolic faith much less.

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #81 on: October 03, 2010, 08:47:19 PM »
BTW, you're just playing dumb, because I call the "Eastern Orthodox" Byzantines in a refusal to call them Orthodox and they know what I am talking about.
Hey, do you ever call them "Byzantianists"? Just curious

Seriously?  ::)

Well if you call us Romanists you really should call them Byzantianists so as not to appear partial.

I am partial. I prefer the Byzantines to you.

Birds of a feather flock together.

Yes, of course I prefer them because they have deviated from the Apostolic faith much less.

That wasn't exactly what I had in mind when I made that statement, but for the sake of being charitable I will stop right there.

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #82 on: October 03, 2010, 08:53:34 PM »
BTW, you're just playing dumb, because I call the "Eastern Orthodox" Byzantines in a refusal to call them Orthodox and they know what I am talking about.
Hey, do you ever call them "Byzantianists"? Just curious

Seriously?  ::)

Well if you call us Romanists you really should call them Byzantianists so as not to appear partial.

I am partial. I prefer the Byzantines to you.

Birds of a feather flock together.

Yes, of course I prefer them because they have deviated from the Apostolic faith much less.
And yours was the first to deviate.
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #83 on: October 03, 2010, 09:15:49 PM »
BTW, you're just playing dumb, because I call the "Eastern Orthodox" Byzantines in a refusal to call them Orthodox and they know what I am talking about.
Hey, do you ever call them "Byzantianists"? Just curious

Seriously?  ::)

Well if you call us Romanists you really should call them Byzantianists so as not to appear partial.

I am partial. I prefer the Byzantines to you.

Birds of a feather flock together.

Yes, of course I prefer them because they have deviated from the Apostolic faith much less.
And yours was the first to deviate.

LOL  :P

Yes, holding strictly to the commonly recognized Ephesus I must be deviation!

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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #84 on: October 03, 2010, 09:30:11 PM »
I can't believe I just read this entire thread!!!

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« Reply #85 on: October 03, 2010, 10:24:56 PM »
I can't believe I just read this entire thread!!!
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Re: Heresy Latin icon in Serbian Orthodox monastery
« Reply #86 on: November 11, 2010, 09:06:22 AM »
Never mind, the question originally posed in this reply was already answered above - sorry :)
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