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« Reply #45 on: November 19, 2010, 08:29:10 PM »

4 things that can be done in the U.S. to maintain the Christian influence/presence:

1) Increase birth rate of Christian families

2) Decrease birth rate of Muslim families (westernization)

3) Convert Muslims/Non-Christians to Christianity

4) Restrict Muslim immigration

Well of course there is one other option, but I don't think I will bother to mention it.

Now may not be the time to mention it...but it shouldn't be taken off the table either.

I am really quite surprised at the lack of terrorist activities in the U.S. targeted towards Muslims and their places of worship. I thought after 9/11 that people would be blowing up mosques and killing muslims all over the place. For the most part, that hasn't really happened.

I don't think that Islam or Terrorism is really that big of a threat to America and most people realize it. In Europe people are starting to see how it could be a potential threat, but any real danger is over a century away. There's still time for the westernization of Islam to occur; now if the time tables don't end up looking like they're in our favour in 50-75 years, more drastic actions may be appropriate.
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« Reply #46 on: November 20, 2010, 01:52:01 PM »

I don't think that Islam or Terrorism is really that big of a threat to America and most people realize it. In Europe people are starting to see how it could be a potential threat, but any real danger is over a century away.
Sorry, but that's just nonsense! We're on bomb alarm here in Germany at the moment, terrorists almost caused major bloodshed in our federal parliament. And several big terror attacks have happened in Europe already, for example in London and Madrid.

There's still time for the westernization of Islam to occur;
How the heck could Islam be westernized?
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« Reply #47 on: November 20, 2010, 02:12:16 PM »

How the heck could Islam be westernized?
Daisy Khan's story:

"After some soul-searching, she decided to abandon Islam because, she said, “it was too painful to always defend the actions of people that I couldn’t relate to.” But the choice left her adrift. By her mid-30s, she was an upwardly mobile Manhattanite with a high-paying design job, yet she felt unfulfilled.

In 1987, Ms. Khan began work as a project manager at Shearson Lehman Brothers on the top floor of the World Trade Center. On lunch breaks, she would walk by Masjid al-Farah, a mosque on West Broadway in TriBeCa, where one day she stopped in and met Mr. Abdul Rauf, the imam. He preached a liberal, mellower type of Islam, with an emphasis on meditation and inclusiveness. She began sneaking away from work for Friday afternoon prayers.

Here was a place where, Ms. Khan believed, she could reconcile her American identity with her religious heritage. This imam did not ask her to don the hijab or lose her Americanized name. He encouraged her to speak about women taking an active role in Islam. The two became close, and a courtship ensued. They married in 1996. Friends describe the couple as equal but complementary partners. “He is the thinker; she is the doer,” said Muzaffar Chishti, a lawyer who directs a think tank on immigration issues at New York University Law School, and a longtime friend who grew up with Ms. Khan in Kashmir.

She became interested in helping other Muslims, especially younger professionals like herself, balance their modern lives with tradition. In 1997, she and the imam opened a nonprofit to help promote a more progressive Islam, which was later renamed the American Society for Muslim Advancement."
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« Reply #48 on: November 20, 2010, 03:17:13 PM »

I don't think that Islam or Terrorism is really that big of a threat to America and most people realize it. In Europe people are starting to see how it could be a potential threat, but any real danger is over a century away.
Sorry, but that's just nonsense! We're on bomb alarm here in Germany at the moment, terrorists almost caused major bloodshed in our federal parliament. And several big terror attacks have happened in Europe already, for example in London and Madrid.

There's still time for the westernization of Islam to occur;
How the heck could Islam be westernized?

By threat I mean the overthrown or conquest of the state, a seizing of national sovereignty. Killing a few hundred people is not a threat, more die in car accidents than that.
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« Reply #49 on: November 20, 2010, 03:20:53 PM »

How the heck could Islam be westernized?
Daisy Khan's story:

"After some soul-searching, she decided to abandon Islam because, she said, “it was too painful to always defend the actions of people that I couldn’t relate to.” But the choice left her adrift. By her mid-30s, she was an upwardly mobile Manhattanite with a high-paying design job, yet she felt unfulfilled.

In 1987, Ms. Khan began work as a project manager at Shearson Lehman Brothers on the top floor of the World Trade Center. On lunch breaks, she would walk by Masjid al-Farah, a mosque on West Broadway in TriBeCa, where one day she stopped in and met Mr. Abdul Rauf, the imam. He preached a liberal, mellower type of Islam, with an emphasis on meditation and inclusiveness. She began sneaking away from work for Friday afternoon prayers.

Here was a place where, Ms. Khan believed, she could reconcile her American identity with her religious heritage. This imam did not ask her to don the hijab or lose her Americanized name. He encouraged her to speak about women taking an active role in Islam. The two became close, and a courtship ensued. They married in 1996. Friends describe the couple as equal but complementary partners. “He is the thinker; she is the doer,” said Muzaffar Chishti, a lawyer who directs a think tank on immigration issues at New York University Law School, and a longtime friend who grew up with Ms. Khan in Kashmir.

She became interested in helping other Muslims, especially younger professionals like herself, balance their modern lives with tradition. In 1997, she and the imam opened a nonprofit to help promote a more progressive Islam, which was later renamed the American Society for Muslim Advancement."

Islam is being westernized, that's an individual's story but there are also places where you can see it happening on the scale of nations. Kuwait and Qatar first come to mind. It's inevitable, the only question is will it happen quick enough or will a few states simply prove to be too slow at westernizing and have to be dealt with more directly.
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« Reply #50 on: November 20, 2010, 03:23:32 PM »

Jetevan,
Oh come on, a leading member of that Ground zero mosque group? Btw, they aren't as westernized as they pretend to be. Just use google. And anyone can notice what a provocation it is to build a mosque right in that place.


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« Reply #51 on: November 20, 2010, 06:09:38 PM »

And anyone can notice what a provocation it is to build a mosque right in that place.
Muslims had a worship space inside the World Trade Centers, on the 17th floor of the south tower:

"Opponents of the Park51 project say the presence of a Muslim center dishonors the victims of the Islamic extremists who flew two jets into the towers. Yet not only were Muslims peacefully worshiping in the twin towers long before the attacks, but even after the 1993 bombing of one tower by a Muslim radical, Ramzi Yousef, their religious observance generated no opposition

“We weren’t aliens,” Mr. Abdus-Salaam, 60, said in a telephone interview from Florida, where he moved in retirement. “We had a foothold there. You’d walk into the elevator in the morning and say, ‘Salaam aleikum,’ to one construction worker and five more guys in suits would answer, ‘Aleikum salaam.’ ”

One of those men in suits could have been Zafar Sareshwala, a financial executive for the Parsoli Corporation, who went to the prayer room while on business trips from his London office. He was introduced to it, he recently recalled, by a Manhattan investment banker who happened to be Jewish.

“It was so freeing and so calm,” Mr. Sareshwala, 47, said in a phone conversation from Mumbai, where he is now based. “It had the feel of a real mosque. And the best part is that you are in the epicenter of capitalism — New York City, the World Trade Center — and you had this island of spiritualism. I don’t think you could have that combination anywhere in the world.”"
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« Reply #52 on: November 20, 2010, 07:30:16 PM »

Jetevan,
Oh come on, a leading member of that Ground zero mosque group? Btw, they aren't as westernized as they pretend to be. Just use google. And anyone can notice what a provocation it is to build a mosque right in that place.


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Anything that questions the state monopoly on the use of force is a thread.

If one wants to start a revolution, more power to them, it's a natural part of the development of government, but once you do, don't expect the state to play nice. If your cause is just the people will join your side, your army will grow, and you will overthrow the state. If your cause isn't, people will not come to your aid, you will be defeated by the state, and you will face the firing squad. The real crime isn't the use of force, but having failed to overthrow the state.
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