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JLatimer, No Avatar, and the Iconoclast Heresy.
« on: September 23, 2010, 09:57:57 PM »
The iconoclast heresy is the heresy in which the veneration of images of Jesus Christ and the Saints is forbidden. Thus, in many protestant churches that have succumb to Iconoclasm, you will see bare walls with no icons, religious pictures, or statues.

How does this relate to JLatimer's Avatar or lack thereof? Well it is clear that because he refuses to post an icon or Christian image that he agrees with protestant iconoclasm. We must pray that he is freed of this vile heresy and is reconciled to the Orthodox Chruch.

 ;) And if you can't tell, I am TOTALLY kidding.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2010, 10:07:00 PM by Papist »
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Re: JLatimer, No Avatar, and the Iconoclast Heresy.
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2010, 10:00:41 PM »
:laugh:
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Re: JLatimer, No Avatar, and the Iconoclast Heresy.
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2010, 10:01:01 PM »
;) And if you can't tell, I am TOTALLY kidding.

Does that wink eye mean you're kidding about kidding? I think you're serious.  ;D

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Re: JLatimer, No Avatar, and the Iconoclast Heresy.
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2010, 10:06:01 PM »
 :laugh: ;)
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Re: JLatimer, No Avatar, and the Iconoclast Heresy.
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2010, 10:24:06 PM »
How ironic, Papist, that you have as your new avatar an image of Pentecost showing a large dove as the Holy Spirit.  ;)  :laugh: :laugh:

The Holy Spirit was not revealed in the form of a dove at Pentecost, but as tongues of fire. It was only at Christ's Baptism that the Spirit was manifest in the form of a dove, and it is in these icons only that this motif can be used.

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Re: JLatimer, No Avatar, and the Iconoclast Heresy.
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2010, 10:30:09 PM »
 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Well played...
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Re: JLatimer, No Avatar, and the Iconoclast Heresy.
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2010, 04:24:25 AM »
How does this relate to JLatimer's Avatar or lack thereof? Well it is clear that because he refuses to post an icon or Christian image that he agrees with protestant iconoclasm. We must pray that he is freed of this vile heresy and is reconciled to the Orthodox Chruch.

 ;) And if you can't tell, I am TOTALLY kidding.

Totally opposite. Not showing the required respect for icons, like using them as avatars, might be considered as iconoclasm. Not doing so - not.

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Re: JLatimer, No Avatar, and the Iconoclast Heresy.
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2010, 02:23:41 PM »
How does this relate to JLatimer's Avatar or lack thereof? Well it is clear that because he refuses to post an icon or Christian image that he agrees with protestant iconoclasm. We must pray that he is freed of this vile heresy and is reconciled to the Orthodox Chruch.

 ;) And if you can't tell, I am TOTALLY kidding.

Totally opposite. Not showing the required respect for icons, like using them as avatars, might be considered as iconoclasm. Not doing so - not.
Well, Papist, what say you to that? ;)
« Last Edit: September 24, 2010, 02:29:27 PM by JLatimer »
1 Samuel 25:22 (KJV)
So and more also do God unto the enemies of David, if I leave of all that pertain to him by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall.

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Re: JLatimer, No Avatar, and the Iconoclast Heresy.
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2010, 02:25:42 PM »
How does this relate to JLatimer's Avatar or lack thereof? Well it is clear that because he refuses to post an icon or Christian image that he agrees with protestant iconoclasm. We must pray that he is freed of this vile heresy and is reconciled to the Orthodox Chruch.

 ;) And if you can't tell, I am TOTALLY kidding.

Totally opposite. Not showing the required respect for icons, like using them as avatars, might be considered as iconoclasm. Not doing so - not.
Well, papist
I disagree. ;)
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Re: JLatimer, No Avatar, and the Iconoclast Heresy.
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2010, 02:40:37 PM »
 :) ;) :D ;D ::) :P :laugh: :angel:
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Re: JLatimer, No Avatar, and the Iconoclast Heresy.
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2010, 03:08:30 PM »
The iconoclast heresy is the heresy in which the veneration of images of Jesus Christ and the Saints is forbidden.

How does one venerate an avatar?
1 Samuel 25:22 (KJV)
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Re: JLatimer, No Avatar, and the Iconoclast Heresy.
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2010, 03:09:57 PM »
The iconoclast heresy is the heresy in which the veneration of images of Jesus Christ and the Saints is forbidden.

How does one venerate an avatar?
Good question. But Iconoclasm not only forbids the venerations of Icons, but also their use in general.
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Re: JLatimer, No Avatar, and the Iconoclast Heresy.
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2010, 03:26:10 PM »
The iconoclast heresy is the heresy in which the veneration of images of Jesus Christ and the Saints is forbidden.

How does one venerate an avatar?

Interestingly, there are those who would say Icons should not be used as avatars at all, for that very reason. I once heard Fr Thomas Hopko discuss this perspective. Since Icons are made to be venerated, how do you venerate an icon of Christ on the back of a priest's vestment?  How do you venerate an image on a screen? Is it acceptable to delete an image of an icon from a hard drive? Should icons be put on the covers of books, perhaps even defaced with text? What about on posters and advertisements that get thrown away?

All interesting questions that only have arisen in an age where icons can be duplicated in countless formats and used in countless ways.

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Re: JLatimer, No Avatar, and the Iconoclast Heresy.
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2010, 03:27:00 PM »
The iconoclast heresy is the heresy in which the veneration of images of Jesus Christ and the Saints is forbidden.

How does one venerate an avatar?
Good question. But Iconoclasm not only forbids the venerations of Icons, but also their use in general.

Actually the iconoclasts weren't always very consistent. Sometimes they said images are okay, but for instructional purposes only, so they have to be put up where people can't venerate them. Sometimes they said no images of saints, just Christ and His Mother. Sometimes no images except the Cross. Sometimes no images whatsoever, like Muslims.

It seems to me the main thing that really distinguishes iconodules from iconoclasts is the "-dule" part. We in the Orthodox Tradition are not merely iconophiles but iconodules; we venerate icons; we do not just use them for instructional or decorative purposes. We have them so that they can be venerated. Icons are meant to be used in worship, not put on t-shirts, coffee cups, etc.

So yes this is a silly conversation in a way, but it contains important things as well.
1 Samuel 25:22 (KJV)
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Re: JLatimer, No Avatar, and the Iconoclast Heresy.
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2010, 03:42:37 PM »
^ Actually, I intended this whole converasation to be silly in the first place. It was a light-hearted response to your thread about my avatar.  ;D
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Re: JLatimer, No Avatar, and the Iconoclast Heresy.
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2010, 03:49:55 PM »
^ Actually, I intended this whole converasation to be silly in the first place. It was a light-hearted response to your thread about my avatar.  ;D

I know you did (hence the "so yes"). I was agreeing with your statement over at the other thread about silliness.
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Re: JLatimer, No Avatar, and the Iconoclast Heresy.
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2010, 03:56:59 PM »
^ Actually, I intended this whole converasation to be silly in the first place. It was a light-hearted response to your thread about my avatar.  ;D

I know you did (hence the "so yes"). I was agreeing with your statement over at the other thread about silliness.

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Re: JLatimer, No Avatar, and the Iconoclast Heresy.
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2010, 04:21:56 PM »
^ Actually, I intended this whole converasation to be silly in the first place. It was a light-hearted response to your thread about my avatar.  ;D

I know you did (hence the "so yes"). I was agreeing with your statement over at the other thread about silliness.

Oh, no. You two aren't going to hug, right?





What a buzz kill.

Hug a graceless heretic? Never.
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Re: JLatimer, No Avatar, and the Iconoclast Heresy.
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2010, 02:55:02 PM »
Hug a graceless heretic? Never.


Awww. But we are sooooooo huggable.  :D
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