I'm not a Hasidic Jew so I trust what other Hasidic Jews say about their fringe groups. BTW, I never said that non-zionists were anti-semetic. Unfortunately many people who condemn Israel are anti-semites but not all.
What kind of ludicrous blanket statement is this? Are you some diviner of hearts, Miss, able to glimpse the intents and motives of those who oppose this ideology of land piracy, and figure out how great a portion of people who hold this view are sinister individuals?
Many are just ignorant but they don't hate the Jews.
I see. So the unclean masses who don't concur with your convuluted convictions must be either anti-Semites or stupid (I take it the latter class is exclusively made up of Jews; any Gentile who opposes Zionism is ipso facto an antiSemite I suppose).
Although there is often an underlying dislike of Jews amongst non-Evangelical Christians.
Miss, a Harvard professor of sociology could do better, really.
And yes, I understand that zionism is secular but Israel is a nation full of Jews and Jews are commanded to love and support one another.
And where the hell is your support for your fellow Christians who are suffering as victims of Israeli bloodlust?
Sorry. My country right or wrong does not sit well with basic and rudimentary moral principles. When your brother errs, you do not support him. And if you love him, you will correct him. Jews who do not support Zionism are outraged that murderous acts are being committed in their name; they aren't happy to support their fellow Jews by nodding in approval to the Israeli state's criminal acts and destructive behavior.
That Zionists assert their actions and cause are representative of the "Jewish people" is an insult to the Jews whose consciences cry out in violation against the actions of this butchering State.
The Modern Orthodox (do even know anything about the variations of Jewish Orthodoxy?) see the founding of Israel as part of divine providence that will bring about the Messiah. Ultra-Orthodox tend to believe that the Israel must be founded by the Messiah.
I don't give a rat's ass what their quaint little beliefs are. No trespassers allowed. Especially armed ones.
But both groups support Israel because they love their fellow Jews.
How can you insinuate that love for a people (which the Jews are not, Judaism coming from an entirely different class of categorization) is synonymous with love for a state? You obviously operate from a bizzare paradigm we Middle Easterners thankfully don't engage in. You imply by this statement that a Jew who doesn't support Israel, hates his fellow Jews, immediately delegitimizing the other side of the argument.
I support the state of Israel not because I think they have a god-given right to exist but because I love the Jewish people.
I find it incredible that an American such as yourself, hailing from a societal background that disavows the core concepts of culture, ethnicity, and tribe, can patronizingly encase "Palestinians" in mock quotations, an identity that designates the indigenous inhabitants of this piece of land (and that includes native Jews) who have a culture and history, while speaking of this rediculous concept of a Jewish "people" (which also implies a false dichotomy: Arabs/Jews), a "people" who share no ethnicity, no culture, and not even one religion (yes, the non-Talmudic Falashas for example), a "people" that are no less a freak social engineering experiment, a wildly heterogeneous society, and a chaotic collage when brought together to supplant the native inhabitants, than is a country where you plant Indians, Arabs, Russians, Germans, Englishmen, Africans, Asians, and Eskimos, who all speak a common language, into one place. Let's just say when pop culture thrives somewhere, it is an indication of a cultural void that has to be filled by something to establish some kind of common bond between people, and boy does it thrive there. The musical representative for Israel at one time was some freaking pervert who had a sex-change operation.
Let me say one thing: I deeply value the indigenous Palestinian Jewish population that had existed alongside us for centuries and long before Jewish migrations from the 1800's onwards took their toll. God knows what remains of those after flooding the place with Jews of all races and ethnicities. One can argue that the Zionist movement has effectively destroyed the native Palestinian Jews, who have been swallowed up by this the smorgasbord of different peoples settling in.
I love Jewish culture and traditions.
Hey lady, believe me I also enjoyed Fiddler on the Roof immensely and found its characters to be charming, though that film was a sub-moronic piece of Zionist propaganda and Topol was a friend to that bastard Rehavam Ze'evi.
This is your grand sweeping statement of clarification meant to justify land theft, and a reign of terror--and grave violations of the 6th and 8th commandments? Maybe you should know that being an "anti-Semite" is no less dangerous (a point well made in an column linked to at the bottom) and morally objectionable than being a Semito-phile, where grand delusions of every Jew being a charming and witty fellow absolves them of every heinous action under the sun. The way you rant against Christians makes me wonder whether you hail from the clan of libel-mongers who accuse Pope Pius XII of supporting the Nazis, when the man cared more for the Jews than the Allies ever did.
I know the unfortunate facts of Jewish history.
Jews are not unique in their history. Gypsies have a fully comparable history of suffering (a point also mentioned in the aforementioned column). Shall we go ahead and partition your home state to create a home for them? Maybe we should relocate you and your family to a neighboring state or across the border to Mexico. And in case you haven't noticed, Israel as it presently is, proves a damning defeat for the Zionist argument and purpose. It is probably the least safe place for a Jew to live in, and I assure you you won't be seeing pogroms in Europe or the First World countries anytime soon, unless you share the same hypochondriacal psychosis that exists amongst sensationalists who can't but see a dangerous submerged anti-Semitic bloodlust behind every thought, word, and deed.
The existance of Israel jeapordizes the very purpose of the Zionist project; not only this, this state's oppression breeds more hatred against Jews, many of whom have no fault in this matter (as the reckless galavanting and Herculian fits of madness of the American government intesifies hate against Americans who are blameless). In other words, the Zionist project as it is being implemented accomplishes the exact opposite of what it set out to do.
I know that if they don't have a place to hide then many of them will suffer persecutions and might be killed.
This sounds like the paranoic hysteria prevalent amongst homosexual activists. This is not World War II. The Western world does not do pogroms anymore. Jews should be more fearful for their lives in Israel than where many of them find themselves living today.
As for the above quote functioning as a pretext for the Zionist political legacy, the ends do not justify the means! Two wrongs don't make a right. What an obscenely rediculous and unCatholic view of the world you have! You have a soft spot for Jewish food, dances, and Yiddish accents, and that is around what morally heavy matters of stolen land, destruction of homes, and lost lives should revolve? Pathetic. And here you are accusing Aklie of being an immature little boy, when you sound as intellectually juvenile as a snotty nosed delinquint. You, whom I presume have had no experience living in the Middle East, can pontificate elsewhere. Yalla, imshee!
Oh yes, and as an Eastern Catholic, I am disgusted to even consider you my coreligionist when you set yourself up against Catholics, Orthodox, and Orientals who have lived on this soil for centuries, the descendants of the first Christians.
I would like to see you spout your vitriol in the faces of the Patriarchs and the Arab Christians who have lost loved ones.
Now for an inside view by a "self-loathing Jew" with Israeli citizenship, read the insightful columns of this gentleman:http://www.antiwar.com/hacohen/h-col.html
And this is something on Anti-Semitism, by a Jew as well:http://www.counterpunch.org/neumann0604.html
In IC XC