"Are you Catholic or Christian?"

[theistgal]

If you're trying to get my goat today, stashko, no such luck - my goat's in a good mood today!

[stashko]

If you're trying to get my goat today, stashko, no such luck - my goat's in a good mood today!

I don't quite Follow ,but if you mean
No it wasn't meant for you ,but for the one that accused me of pushing buttons and called me a troll.....Thats the One i m telling to ignore my posts....
a certain smiley  seems to bother him....which i won't use here..Maybe ill retire the smiley or find a more pleasing neutral one...

[Schultz]

well, it's a rare Greek Orthodox that will preach Christ, let alone listen to their bishop..all are mostly interested Is Party Party,,,,Let the Good times roll...

Oh yeah.  

How would this rebut the complaint that Stashko is making about the RCs?

It's pointing out that the same phenomenon he's using to mock RCs happens within his own communion.

[stashko]

well, it's a rare Greek Orthodox that will preach Christ, let alone listen to their bishop..all are mostly interested Is Party Party,,,,Let the Good times roll...

Oh yeah.  

How would this rebut the complaint that Stashko is making about the RCs?

It's pointing out that the same phenomenon he's using to mock RCs happens within his own communion.

Stop reading things that arn't there in my posts...
Why would you say im mocking anyone ...Im talking about my experiences dealing with quite a fews catholics ,if religion is discussed,it come to the holy father said this or that ,lots of catholics don't know scripture to quote what Christ Said...But they can tell you what the pope said or didn't... thats why i said hence the possable confusion for the protestants and they  don't associate catholics with christian..Ask a Catholic what he is, and he will say,  Oh Im Catholic ,but mostly never say Im a Catholic  Christian...More confusion..For the Protestants...

If Some askes me what religion i Am ,i tell them Im A Orthodox Christian..All the time.....If i say serbian Orthodox Christian and they don't understand ,then ill say same as Greek Orthodox Christian ,then they understand ,what im talking about...

[Schultz]

I would say ,for the Protestants It's confusing ,When A catholic Talks it's about the pope,and not much about what Christ said, but what the Pope said...I could understand where there coming from.....The Pope said This and That.....

Note that there are no qualifiers in your initial statement: "When A catholic Talks it's about the pope."

This is, on the bald face of it, a very generalized statement that includes all Catholics. 

Of course, you always later backpedal when confronted about your stereotypes and come up with qualifiers to make your original statement seem more palpable and less a caricature, but you still never learn to think before you type and especially before you hit the Post button.

Is this what you want to do before God, stashko?  Do you want to backpedal when you are face to face with the Most High and say, "Lord, Lord, I didn't mean that, I meant this?"

The Saints and Fathers tell us to keep our mouths shut and when we do speak, we speak with conviction, clarity and honesty.

I (and others) keep telling you that it is in your best interest, in this forum's best interest, and in the best interest of those who have trouble understanding your intent (and please don't act shocked that you didn't know this was the case) to think about what others will read into your phrasing and word choice before you finalize your post by hitting that Post button. 

[stashko]

I would say ,for the Protestants It's confusing ,When A catholic Talks it's about the pope,and not much about what Christ said, but what the Pope said...I could understand where there coming from.....The Pope said This and That.....

Note that there are no qualifiers in your initial statement: "When A catholic Talks it's about the pope."

This is, on the bald face of it, a very generalized statement that includes all Catholics.  

Of course, you always later backpedal when confronted about your stereotypes and come up with qualifiers to make your original statement seem more palpable and less a caricature, but you still never learn to think before you type and especially before you hit the Post button.

Is this what you want to do before God, stashko?  Do you want to backpedal when you are face to face with the Most High and say, "Lord, Lord, I didn't mean that, I meant this?"

The Saints and Fathers tell us to keep our mouths shut and when we do speak, we speak with conviction, clarity and honesty.

I (and others) keep telling you that it is in your best interest, in this forum's best interest, and in the best interest of those who have trouble understanding your intent (and please don't act shocked that you didn't know this was the case) to think about what others will read into your phrasing and word choice before you finalize your post by hitting that Post button.  

Im not back pedaling your just reading to to much into it what isn't there....Thats All..Or your making your Judgment also on the Grinning smiley i been over indulging by using it quite a bit lately...

[PeterTheAleut]

I would say ,for the Protestants It's confusing ,When A catholic Talks it's about the pope,and not much about what Christ said, but what the Pope said...I could understand where there coming from.....The Pope said This and That.....

Note that there are no qualifiers in your initial statement: "When A catholic Talks it's about the pope."

This is, on the bald face of it, a very generalized statement that includes all Catholics.  

Of course, you always later backpedal when confronted about your stereotypes and come up with qualifiers to make your original statement seem more palpable and less a caricature, but you still never learn to think before you type and especially before you hit the Post button.

Is this what you want to do before God, stashko?  Do you want to backpedal when you are face to face with the Most High and say, "Lord, Lord, I didn't mean that, I meant this?"

The Saints and Fathers tell us to keep our mouths shut and when we do speak, we speak with conviction, clarity and honesty.

I (and others) keep telling you that it is in your best interest, in this forum's best interest, and in the best interest of those who have trouble understanding your intent (and please don't act shocked that you didn't know this was the case) to think about what others will read into your phrasing and word choice before you finalize your post by hitting that Post button.  

Im not back pedaling your just reading to to much into it what isn't there....Thats All..Or your making your Judgment also on the Grinning smiley i been over indulging by using it quite a bit lately...

You have a history here, stashko, too much of a history for you to get away with this sophistry regarding just one post.  Communication is about reading, but it's also about making sure you write clearly so people find it hard to misunderstand you.

[rakovsky]

"Are you Catholic or Christian?"

Such a funny question. Catholics believe in Christ, and Christians believe in a Catholic and Apostolic Church.

It's the same as asking "do farm turkeys usually scuba dive or fly above the clouds?" Answering with either doesn't make sense.

[stanley123]

..Ask a Catholic what he is, and he will say,  Oh Im Catholic ,but mostly never say Im a Catholic  Christian...

Yes, that is true in my case. If I am asked if I am a Christian, I will say No, that I am not a Christian; I'm a Catholic. Of course, it is supposed to be kind of an inside joke. 

[deusveritasest]

I don't know about that. At least 10% of the Romanists I know would self-identify as "Catholic Christian".

[theistgal]

Logic 101: not all Christians are Catholics, but all Catholics are* Christians.

(*at least nominally)

Therefore, Catholics don't feel the need to add "Christian" to their name.

[deusveritasest]

Logic 101: not all Christians are Catholics, but all Catholics are* Christians.

(*at least nominally)

Therefore, Catholics don't feel the need to add "Christian" to their name.

...

Many more "Eastern Orthodox" and Oriental Orthodox I know add "Christian" to then end of their religious identification. 

Also, not everyone agrees that you are Christians. So I would think that the best counter of that would be to clarify your self-identification as "Catholic Christian".

[theistgal]

Why?  The people who think Catholics aren't Christians aren't going to think differently just because we add the word "Christian" to our name.

[deusveritasest]

Why?  The people who think Catholics aren't Christians aren't going to think differently just because we add the word "Christian" to our name.

I guess not.

But it does seem to me to be more common than others are saying.

[peccatorum]

I think that only Catholics (and this includes Orthodox Catholics, although I am Roman Catholic) are truly Christians, all others are followers of men.
it's on the sentence:
Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.

[deusveritasest]

Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.

Did you know that the man who originally said that believed that schismatics did not have authentic Sacraments?

So much for following the teachings of Saint Cyprian. 

[Iconodule]

The dichotomy seems to be fairly ingrained in some places, even where you wouldn't expect it. I have observed the "Catholic-Christian" distinction being made not just by Protestants, but by ignorant Roman Catholics, e.g. RC's describing Protestants as "Christians" as opposed to their "Catholic" selves.

[Iconodule]

A quick, dumb "informational" video that distinguishes Orthodox Easter from Western "Christian Easter":  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvfoYXrFxW0

[Fabio Leite]

Another possible answer..."I'm a Catholic Christian. It's far better than being a Cathameric Christian, isn't it?"

Hopefully, the concept will instigue some curiosity. "μέρος" (méros) is the Greek word for "part" or "piece". Truly, all heterodoxies differ from the Catholic faith in that they choose one part (hence the word "heresy", meaning "to choose") over the whole, either by putting them aside, or by reading the whole as determined by this piece of the Church.

All the heterodoxies are in fact "Cathameric" churches, choosing one part of the Tradition over the fullness of what Our Lord has given us.

[quietmorning]

Just thought of this:  How about asking them if they are (their denomination:  Baptist, Methodist, Interdenominational. . .etc) or Christian?

Maybe they'll get the point?

[ialmisry]

Another possible answer..."I'm a Catholic Christian. It's far better than being a Cathameric Christian, isn't it?"

Hopefully, the concept will instigue some curiosity. "μέρος" (méros) is the Greek word for "part" or "piece". Truly, all heterodoxies differ from the Catholic faith in that they choose one part (hence the word "heresy", meaning "to choose") over the whole, either by putting them aside, or by reading the whole as determined by this piece of the Church.

All the heterodoxies are in fact "Cathameric" churches, choosing one part of the Tradition over the fullness of what Our Lord has given us.

I like it.

[theistgal]

I had another thought - see if this makes sense (haven't yet had my morning Yerba Mate so it might not! ):

When someone says "I'm a Catholic", most people will assume Roman Catholic, which most people know as being at least someform of "Christian".

However, if you say, "I'm Orthodox", a lot of people will wait for you to continue with either "...Jewish" or "... Christian", since the term "Orthodox" all by itself could conceivably refer to either well-known group.

Make sense? Good, then join me in a cuppa, woncha?

[genesisone]

I had another thought - see if this makes sense (haven't yet had my morning Yerba Mate so it might not! ):
...
Good, then join me in a cuppa, woncha?

So you drink Yerba Mate? The real stuff, I hope. I spent three years in Paraguay in the 80s and learned to enjoy it. I prefer tereré (cold mate), but do make mate cocido occasionally, which from context is probably what you enjoy. Sometimes I make it from scratch, but I have a jar of instant mate that I dip into from time to time. I've tried the "tea bag" route, but don't enjoy that anymore than I enjoy tea made from a bag. Yes, I know I'm fussy - but I'm worth it  .

[theistgal]

genesisone, I'm very unorthodox (obviously! ) - I brew it in my coffee percolator.

[Fabio Leite]

I had another thought - see if this makes sense (haven't yet had my morning Yerba Mate so it might not! ):

When someone says "I'm a Catholic", most people will assume Roman Catholic, which most people know as being at least someform of "Christian".

However, if you say, "I'm Orthodox", a lot of people will wait for you to continue with either "...Jewish" or "... Christian", since the term "Orthodox" all by itself could conceivably refer to either well-known group.

Make sense? Good, then join me in a cuppa, woncha?

Yerba Mate is for the "hermanos". Here in Brazil, in the South, we drink Chimarrão. 

[theistgal]

It's a moot point because I changed my mind and went to Starbucks.  Cappuccino, anyone?

[peccatorum]

CHIMASCHIMASCHIMASCHIMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, back to the point...
It's also usual to refer to protestants as "evangelicals", however it is a mistake, since "evangelical" refers to a person who follows the good news of Christ (Ευαγγέλιο).
Dominus Vobiscum

[deusveritasest]

The dichotomy seems to be fairly ingrained in some places, even where you wouldn't expect it. I have observed the "Catholic-Christian" distinction being made not just by Protestants, but by ignorant Roman Catholics, e.g. RC's describing Protestants as "Christians" as opposed to their "Catholic" selves.

Ditto.

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