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« on: September 19, 2010, 07:59:12 PM »

Hello, All.  Christ is in our midst! 

at school, no one knows about Orthodoxy.  when they see me reading religous books about lives of the saints, spiritual fathers, etc.  they will ask "so, are you Catholic or Christian?"  at first, I'm rather dumb struck that they don't consider Roman Catholics Christian...

how would you answer this, if it were asked by a high schooler who had only heard of Catholicism and "Christianity" (Protestantism)?
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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2010, 08:07:53 PM »

I just say, "yes." As it is so not an either/or question, then try to be very patient with all the ignorance, assumptions and the TON of misinformation they seem to be so caught up in.

I NEVER argue. . . If I can educate gracefully and in peace, fine. . .if not, then I exit the conversation as gently as I can. 
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2010, 08:30:40 PM »

"Interesting you asked. Because 'catholic' is a Greek word meaning 'according to the whole'. Have you ever met a true follower who was not made whole again by Christ?"  Wink
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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2010, 08:43:28 PM »

Hello, All.  Christ is in our midst! 

at school, no one knows about Orthodoxy.  when they see me reading religous books about lives of the saints, spiritual fathers, etc.  they will ask "so, are you Catholic or Christian?"  at first, I'm rather dumb struck that they don't consider Roman Catholics Christian...

how would you answer this, if it were asked by a high schooler who had only heard of Catholicism and "Christianity" (Protestantism)?

I would say both! Then I would recite the part from the Nicene/Constantinople 1 creed to them.

And I believe in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church


Then I would ask them that if the people at Nicea and Constinople 1 weren't Christian.......then where were they? Did they all vanish when Saint John died only to be re-created back into existence in modern times in North America?

This is what I would say!
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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2010, 08:58:24 PM »

Catholic or Christian?  Why the false dichotomy?
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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2010, 09:13:23 PM »

at first, I'm rather dumb struck that they don't consider Roman Catholics Christian...

Well actually, in an Orthodox sense, nobody who is outside the Church is really a Christian in quite the same sense.

how would you answer this, if it were asked by a high schooler who had only heard of Catholicism and "Christianity" (Protestantism)?

"Both". I think it would catch them off guard, then get their attention, and then would lead into a conversation where you could really provide a full answer.
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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2010, 09:16:29 PM »

I would say ,for the Protestants It's confusing ,When A catholic Talks it's about the pope,and not much about what Christ said, but what the Pope said...I could understand where there coming from.....The Pope said This and That..... Grin

Even a Catholic Nun preached to me once not about Christ, but about the pope and what he said ,She said since im not under the pope, Im going to hell....That's when I was younger..... Grin
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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2010, 09:20:00 PM »

Even a Catholic Nun preached to me once,She said since im not under the pope Im going to hell....That's when I was younger..... Grin

And that makes you grin, why?
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2010, 09:20:52 PM »

To this one I always say that Catholics are Christians.
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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2010, 09:25:28 PM »

Even a Catholic Nun preached to me once,She said since im not under the pope Im going to hell....That's when I was younger..... Grin

And that makes you grin, why?

Because it was funny,and i didn't believe her.... Grin
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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2010, 11:15:32 PM »

Hello, All.  Christ is in our midst! 

at school, no one knows about Orthodoxy.  when they see me reading religous books about lives of the saints, spiritual fathers, etc.  they will ask "so, are you Catholic or Christian?"  at first, I'm rather dumb struck that they don't consider Roman Catholics Christian...

how would you answer this, if it were asked by a high schooler who had only heard of Catholicism and "Christianity" (Protestantism)?
I agree that "both" is the best answer, as it is the Truest, and it might get the inquirer to think.
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2010, 01:42:09 AM »

Hello, All.  Christ is in our midst! 

at school, no one knows about Orthodoxy.  when they see me reading religous books about lives of the saints, spiritual fathers, etc.  they will ask "so, are you Catholic or Christian?"  at first, I'm rather dumb struck that they don't consider Roman Catholics Christian...

how would you answer this, if it were asked by a high schooler who had only heard of Catholicism and "Christianity" (Protestantism)?
I agree that "both" is the best answer, as it is the Truest, and it might get the inquirer to think.
Yes, you are right. I agree that both is the best answer, but, nevertheless,  I always say that I am a Catholic and not a Christian, just to see the reaction.
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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2010, 01:47:18 AM »

...I always say that I am a Catholic and not a Christian, just to see the reaction.

You know what, that's probably the best answer possible. I'm absolutely taking that one.
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2010, 06:05:57 AM »

Kinda per Bill Hicks:

"During the Gulf War I was in the unenviable position of being for the war but against the troops."
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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2010, 01:51:53 PM »

When A catholic Talks it's about the pope,and not much about what Christ said, but what the Pope said
What a stupid statement. That's not even remotely true. I have been Catholic all my life, and what you are saying has NEVER been my experience. I think you just like making stuff up.
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« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2010, 04:14:57 PM »

When A catholic Talks it's about the pope,and not much about what Christ said, but what the Pope said
What a stupid statement. That's not even remotely true. I have been Catholic all my life, and what you are saying has NEVER been my experience. I think you just like making stuff up.

Maybe your the exception, i don't know..But most catholics do ,even One depaul university student preached  pope to me just recently, and his prayer intentions for the pope....... Grin
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« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2010, 04:15:48 PM »

When A catholic Talks it's about the pope,and not much about what Christ said, but what the Pope said
What a stupid statement. That's not even remotely true. I have been Catholic all my life, and what you are saying has NEVER been my experience. I think you just like making stuff up.

Maybe your the exception, i don't know..But most catholics do ,even One depaul university student preached pope me just recently, and his prayer intentions for the pope....... Grin
You are definitely making stuff up. Every where I go, Catholics preach Christ. Why do you like to lie about the Catholic Church?
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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2010, 04:18:43 PM »

Holy Father this ,Holy Father that....So I said to myself ,Oh lord not another one..... Grin
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« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2010, 04:29:05 PM »

Holy Father this ,Holy Father that....So I said to myself ,Oh lord not another one..... Grin
Not even telling the truth. How sad Stasko. That is not very becoming of an Eastern Orthodox Christian.
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« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2010, 04:38:40 PM »

Holy Father this ,Holy Father that....So I said to myself ,Oh lord not another one..... Grin
Not even telling the truth. How sad Stasko. That is not very becoming of an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

Do you think it's my cross i have to bear, running into these catholics that preach pope ,More than Christ.... Grin
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« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2010, 04:41:07 PM »

Even a Catholic Nun preached to me once,She said since im not under the pope Im going to hell....That's when I was younger..... Grin

And that makes you grin, why?

Because everything does or haven't you figured that out yet?
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« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2010, 04:41:49 PM »

Holy Father this ,Holy Father that....So I said to myself ,Oh lord not another one..... Grin
Not even telling the truth. How sad Stasko. That is not very becoming of an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

Do you think it's my cross i have to bear, running into these catholics that preach pope ,More than Christ.... Grin

Just like having you around spouting off stupid remarks is our cross to bear, I suppose...more than Christ Grin  Kiss
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Even a Catholic Nun preached to me once,She said since im not under the pope Im going to hell....That's when I was younger..... Grin

And that makes you grin, why?

Because everything does or haven't you figured that out yet?


It's pretty odd. If someone told me I was going to Hell I wouldn't be grinning.
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« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2010, 04:54:31 PM »

Holy Father this ,Holy Father that....So I said to myself ,Oh lord not another one..... Grin
Not even telling the truth. How sad Stasko. That is not very becoming of an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

Do you think it's my cross i have to bear, running into these catholics that preach pope ,More than Christ.... Grin

Just like having you around spouting off stupid remarks is our cross to bear, I suppose...more than Christ Grin  Kiss
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Its a rare De paul Catholic Student that will preach Pope or even let alone Christ..All are mostly  interested in Is Party Party,,,Let the Good times roll...Iv Observed the little faith they have they lose ,once they start attending the university....oh i forgot this  Grin
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« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2010, 05:00:01 PM »

Even a Catholic Nun preached to me once,She said since im not under the pope Im going to hell....That's when I was younger..... Grin

And that makes you grin, why?

Because everything does or haven't you figured that out yet?


It's pretty odd. If someone told me I was going to Hell I wouldn't be grinning.


Please don't let my choice of smiley  disturb you ,just Ignore my posts..thats all... Grin
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« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2010, 05:02:27 PM »

Holy Father this ,Holy Father that....So I said to myself ,Oh lord not another one..... Grin
Not even telling the truth. How sad Stasko. That is not very becoming of an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

Do you think it's my cross i have to bear, running into these catholics that preach pope ,More than Christ.... Grin

Just like having you around spouting off stupid remarks is our cross to bear, I suppose...more than Christ Grin  Kiss
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Its a rare De paul Catholic Student that will preach Pope or even let alone Christ..All are mostly  interested in Is Party Party,,,Let the Good times roll...Iv Observed the little faith they have they lose ,once they start attending the university....oh i forgot this  Grin

well, it's a rare Greek Orthodox that will preach Christ, let alone listen to their bishop..all are mostly interested Is Party Party,,,,Let the Good times roll...

you see, i live just a stone's throw from the area of Baltimore known as Greektown...home to most of the heroin addicts in the city, as well as an incredibly high concentration of bars and liquor stores that are open on Sunday,,,so the men of the Greek Orthodox church can slip away for a quick drink and smoke while the priest gives his sermon,,,i've seen this with my own eyes, God help me.


Oh yeah.   Grin
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Holy Father this ,Holy Father that....So I said to myself ,Oh lord not another one..... Grin
Not even telling the truth. How sad Stasko. That is not very becoming of an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

Do you think it's my cross i have to bear, running into these catholics that preach pope ,More than Christ.... Grin

Just like having you around spouting off stupid remarks is our cross to bear, I suppose...more than Christ Grin  Kiss
Theres a Lot Of Catholic Around where i live at ...I talked to Quite A few..
Its a rare De paul Catholic Student that will preach Pope or even let alone Christ..All are mostly  interested in Is Party Party,,,Let the Good times roll...Iv Observed the little faith they have they lose ,once they start attending the university....oh i forgot this  Grin

well, it's a rare Greek Orthodox that will preach Christ, let alone listen to their bishop..all are mostly interested Is Party Party,,,,Let the Good times roll...

you see, i live just a stone's throw from the area of Baltimore known as Greektown...home to most of the heroin addicts in the city, as well as an incredibly high concentration of bars and liquor stores that are open on Sunday,,,so the men of the Greek Orthodox church can slip away for a quick drink and smoke while the priest gives his sermon,,,i've seen this with my own eyes, God help me.


Oh yeah.   Grin

That was hilarious!
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well, it's a rare Greek Orthodox that will preach Christ, let alone listen to their bishop..all are mostly interested Is Party Party,,,,Let the Good times roll...

Oh yeah.   Grin

How would this rebut the complaint that Stashko is making about the RCs?
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« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2010, 05:14:54 PM »

Holy Father this ,Holy Father that....So I said to myself ,Oh lord not another one..... Grin

The interesting thing is that not ALL Roman Catholics have the same attitude. I remember my conversation with two RC nuns, who posed me the question: "Why don't you believe in the Pope and become a Catholic Christian?" However, a RC deacon later told me that what the nuns uttered was a ridiculous question because no one can be obliged to believe in the Pope. In the RC deacon's own words: "The Pope is not God".
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« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2010, 05:15:13 PM »

We Have our Own Greek Town as well ...Theres no Orthodox church thats with in walking distant....The restaurants do great Business some Bars around and few fast food gyro joints......Some Greeks but mostly tourists...... Grin
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« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2010, 05:17:33 PM »


It's pretty odd. If someone told me I was going to Hell I wouldn't be grinning.

Would you not grin if a Muslim told you that you were a polytheist and would go straight to Hell because you did not believe in Muhammad?

Muslims always tell me that, and my response is  Grin
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It's pretty odd. If someone told me I was going to Hell I wouldn't be grinning.

Would you not grin if a Muslim told you that you were a polytheist and would go straight to Hell because you did not believe in Muhammad?

Muslims always tell me that, and my response is  Grin

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« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2010, 05:25:22 PM »

I used to emphasize my Orthodox faith while talking to Christians, but my particular method turned out to be misleading since I introduced myself as an Orthodox without the word Christian until a man from the UK asked me the question: "You are Orthodox what? Jew? Muslim? Christian?"  Cheesy
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He did accuse me of pushing peoples buttons and being a troll,,so what can i say... Grin

That is a very harsh accusation. Please forgive them, for they do not know what they are saying.  Sad
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« Reply #34 on: September 20, 2010, 05:32:43 PM »

I used to emphasize my Orthodox faith while talking to Christians, but my particular method turned out to be misleading since I introduced myself as an Orthodox without the word Christian until a man from the UK asked me the question: "You are Orthodox what? Jew? Muslim? Christian?"  Cheesy

I have never heard the phrase "Orthodox Muslim".  Undecided
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« Reply #35 on: September 20, 2010, 05:34:07 PM »


It's pretty odd. If someone told me I was going to Hell I wouldn't be grinning.

Would you not grin if a Muslim told you that you were a polytheist and would go straight to Hell because you did not believe in Muhammad?

Muslims always tell me that, and my response is  Grin

Mmmmmm. I might laugh. But more likely I think I would spurt out "I'm not a polytheist!".
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« Reply #36 on: September 20, 2010, 05:38:39 PM »

I used to emphasize my Orthodox faith while talking to Christians, but my particular method turned out to be misleading since I introduced myself as an Orthodox without the word Christian until a man from the UK asked me the question: "You are Orthodox what? Jew? Muslim? Christian?"  Cheesy

I have never heard the phrase "Orthodox Muslim".  Undecided

Sunni branch is called Orthodox Islam by its adherents in reaction to the other existing groups that are considered heretical or in an effort to paint the Sunnites as the followers of the mainstream and original Islamic faith.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunnites
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091113154457AAwNlRx
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« Reply #37 on: September 20, 2010, 05:50:42 PM »

I used to emphasize my Orthodox faith while talking to Christians, but my particular method turned out to be misleading since I introduced myself as an Orthodox without the word Christian until a man from the UK asked me the question: "You are Orthodox what? Jew? Muslim? Christian?"  Cheesy

I have never heard the phrase "Orthodox Muslim".  Undecided

Sunni branch is called Orthodox Islam by its adherents in reaction to the other existing groups that are considered heretical or in an effort to paint the Sunnites as the followers of the mainstream and original Islamic faith.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunnites
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091113154457AAwNlRx

And you have heard it in everyday life?
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« Reply #38 on: September 20, 2010, 06:05:30 PM »

I used to emphasize my Orthodox faith while talking to Christians, but my particular method turned out to be misleading since I introduced myself as an Orthodox without the word Christian until a man from the UK asked me the question: "You are Orthodox what? Jew? Muslim? Christian?"  Cheesy

I have never heard the phrase "Orthodox Muslim".  Undecided

Sunni branch is called Orthodox Islam by its adherents in reaction to the other existing groups that are considered heretical or in an effort to paint the Sunnites as the followers of the mainstream and original Islamic faith.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunnites
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091113154457AAwNlRx

And you have heard it in everyday life?

I hear it in some religious programs and documentaries. Some dictionaries also interpret "Sunni Islam" as "Orthodox Islam".
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« Reply #39 on: September 20, 2010, 06:28:26 PM »

Theres a Lot Of Catholic Around where i live at ...I talked to Quite A few..
Its a rare De paul Catholic Student that will preach Pope or even let alone Christ..All are mostly  interested in Is Party Party,,,Let the Good times roll...Iv Observed the little faith they have they lose ,once they start attending the university....oh i forgot this  Grin
I think that Stashko is right on this. There's a lot of partying going on at Catholic colleges, and some of it is not very decent. Of course, in some Eastern European Orthodox countries, I have noticed that many parties go on until daybreak. You have to realise though that there are good and decent people in both Churches, even though Stashko does not like the structural setup of the Roman Church.   
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« Reply #40 on: September 20, 2010, 06:39:02 PM »

I used to emphasize my Orthodox faith while talking to Christians, but my particular method turned out to be misleading since I introduced myself as an Orthodox without the word Christian until a man from the UK asked me the question: "You are Orthodox what? Jew? Muslim? Christian?"  Cheesy

I have never heard the phrase "Orthodox Muslim".  Undecided

Sunni branch is called Orthodox Islam by its adherents in reaction to the other existing groups that are considered heretical or in an effort to paint the Sunnites as the followers of the mainstream and original Islamic faith.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunnites
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091113154457AAwNlRx

And you have heard it in everyday life?

I hear it in some religious programs and documentaries. Some dictionaries also interpret "Sunni Islam" as "Orthodox Islam".

Is it possible that the phrase is used significantly more in Turkey than the in the Western USA?
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« Reply #41 on: September 20, 2010, 06:40:27 PM »

You have to realise though that there are good and decent people in both Churches,

If only he could get it through his head that this is true to the degree that it's not even worth trying to smear your religious tradition as a whole by the actions of the trouble makers.
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« Reply #42 on: September 20, 2010, 06:43:06 PM »


Is it possible that the phrase is used significantly more in Turkey than the in the Western USA?

Might be. Muslims who have been influenced by Turks (Bosnians) are probably familiar with that term too.
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« Reply #43 on: September 21, 2010, 01:16:48 AM »

Even a Catholic Nun preached to me once,She said since im not under the pope Im going to hell....That's when I was younger..... Grin

And that makes you grin, why?

Because everything does or haven't you figured that out yet?


It's pretty odd. If someone told me I was going to Hell I wouldn't be grinning.


Please don't let my choice of smiley  disturb you ,just Ignore my posts..thats all... Grin
Why do you post if you want to be ignored? Huh  That doesn't make any sense.
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« Reply #44 on: September 21, 2010, 01:39:30 AM »

Even a Catholic Nun preached to me once,She said since im not under the pope Im going to hell....That's when I was younger..... Grin

And that makes you grin, why?

Because everything does or haven't you figured that out yet?


It's pretty odd. If someone told me I was going to Hell I wouldn't be grinning.


Please don't let my choice of smiley  disturb you ,just Ignore my posts..thats all... Grin
Why do you post if you want to be ignored? Huh  That doesn't make any sense.

just the one .... Grin
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