Oh good, since I am not an ultramontanist
ULtramontanists take NOTE: the ex cathedra Tome of a pontiff of Rome was examined by an Ecumenical Council to see if it agree with the Faith of the Pope of Alexandria.
I guess where I erred was in the way my post was worded. I did not mean "just like in the modern Episcopate." I should have said like or similar to. Obviously Pope is an office, but the one holding the office possesses Petrine authority. This, I suppose, is where we differ since to the Eastern Orthodox charisms are only received via Sacraments and not in any other way.For the Eastern Churches the petrine ministry is found in each and every bishop, because all the bishops are the successors of all the Apostles, including St. Peter; so there is no sense in which the bishop of Rome, or the bishops of Alexandria and Antioch for that matter, ontologically continue the petrine ministry in a unique way.
How do you explain the delegates at the Council of Ephesus proclaiming "St. Peter speaks through Leo"?This statement - made by the Fathers of the Council of Chalcedon - is not understood in the Eastern Churches in an ontological sense, but was meant to convey the idea that Leo's Tome, i.e., after it had been diligently examined in committee in order to determine its agreement with the teaching of St. Cyril, was an Orthodox expression of the Church's Christological faith.
Oh, good, then you
"teach and declare that, according to the gospel evidence"
"the eternal shepherd and guardian of our souls, in order to render permanent the saving work of redemption, determined to build a Church in which, as in the house of the living God, all the faithful should be linked by the bond of one faith and charity. Therefore, before He was glorified, He besought His Father, not for the Apostles only, but also for those who were to believe in Him through their word, that they all might be one as the Son Himself and the Father are one. So then, just as he sent apostles, whom he chose out of the world, even as he had been sent by the Father, in like manner it was his will that in his Church there should be shepherds and teachers until the end of time"
"that the episcopal office should be one and undivided and that, by the union of the clergy, the whole multitude of believers should be held together in the unity of faith and communion...this doctrine is to be believed and held by all the faithful in accordance with the ancient and unchanging faith of the whole Church...Upon the strength of this foundation was to be built the eternal temple, and the Church whose topmost part reaches heaven was to rise upon the firmness of this foundation...that which our lord Jesus Christ, the Prince of shepherds and great Shepherd of the sheep....for the continual salvation and permanent benefit of the Church, must of necessity remain for ever, by Christ's authority, in the Church which, founded as it is upon a rock, will stand firm until the end of time...For no one can be in doubt, indeed it was known in every age...[the Apostles,] the pillar[s ] of faith and the foundation of the Catholic Church, received the keys of the kingdom from our lord Jesus Christ, the savior and redeemer of the human race...
Indeed, their apostolic teaching was embraced by all the venerable fathers and reverenced and followed by all the holy orthodox doctors...to satisfy this pastoral office, [their] predecessors strove unwearyingly that the saving teaching of Christ should be spread among all the peoples of the world; and with equal care they made sure that it should be kept pure and uncontaminated wherever it was received....It was for this reason that the bishops of the whole world, sometimes individually, sometimes gathered in synods, according to the long established custom of the Churches and the pattern of ancient usage...so that they might discharge their exalted office for the salvation of all...established in the blessed apostle Peter....too, as the circumstances of the time or the state of affairs suggested, sometimes by summoning ecumenical councils or consulting the opinion of the Churches scattered throughout the world, sometimes by special synods, sometimes by taking advantage of other useful means afforded by divine providence, defined as doctrines to be held those things which, by God's help, they knew to be in keeping with Sacred Scripture and the apostolic traditions...following the footsteps of their predecessors,[they] published this solemn profession of faith: The first condition of salvation is to maintain the rule of the true faith....For the Holy Spirit was promised to the successors of [the Apostles]...that, by His assistance, they might religiously guard and faithfully expound the revelation or deposit of faith transmitted by the apostles...., in accordance with the divine promise of our Lord and Savior to...His disciples...so that the whole flock of Christ might be kept away by them from the poisonous food of error and be nourished with the sustenance of heavenly doctrine. Thus the tendency to schism is removed and the whole Church is preserved in unity, and, resting on its foundation, can stand firm against the gates of hell...All this is to be found in the acts of the ecumenical councils and the sacred canons"
"those dangers especially which arose in matters concerning the faith. This was to ensure that any damage suffered by the faith should be repaired in that place above all where the faith can know no failing...So what the truth has ordained stands firm, and blessed Peter perseveres in the rock-like strength he was granted, and does not abandon that guidance of the Church which he once received....therefore, faithfully adhering to the tradition received from the beginning of the Christian faith, to the glory of God our savior, for the exaltation of the Catholic religion and for the salvation of the Christian people, with the approval of the Sacred Council"
the Fathes asserted and you assent "that this primacy was not conferred immediately and directly on blessed Peter himself, but rather on the Church, and that it was through the Church that it was transmitted to him in his capacity as her minister,"
"that blessed Peter the apostle was not appointed by Christ the lord as prince of all the apostles and visible head of the whole Church militant"
"that it was a primacy of honor only and not one of true and proper jurisdiction that he directly and immediately received from"
the Apostolate of
"our lord Jesus Christ Himself"
and you hold
"This is the teaching of the Catholic truth, and no one can depart from it without endangering his faith and salvation"
And so you,
"supported by the clear witness of Holy Scripture, and adhering to the manifest and explicit decrees both of [the] predecessors [of] the Roman Pontiffs and of [the Ecumenical] Councils...which must be believed by all faithful Christians...maintain that it is lawful to appeal from the judgments of the Roman pontiffs to an ecumenical council as....an authority superior to the Roman Pontiff"
"that the Roman Pontiff has merely an office of supervision and guidance, and not the full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the whole Church, and this not only in matters of faith and morals, but also in those which concern the discipline and government of the Church dispersed throughout the whole world; and that he has only the principal part, but not the absolute fullness, of this supreme power; [and] that this power of his is not ordinary and immediate both over all and each of the Churches and over all and each of the pastors and faithful...And so"
you agree with us that
"they stray from the genuine path of truth who who maintain that....the Roman Pontiff, by the divine right of the apostolic primacy, governs the whole Church, [and] likewise teach and declare that he is the supreme judge of the faithful, and that in all cases which fall under ecclesiastical jurisdiction recourse may be had to his judgment [and that] the sentence of the Apostolic See (than which there is no higher authority) is not subject to revision by anyone, nor may anyone lawfully pass judgment thereupon,"
"promulgate anew..."That apostolic primacy....the Roman Pontiff possesses as successor of Peter, the prince of the apostles, includes also the supreme power of teaching...a primacy of jurisdiction over the whole Church of God [which] was immediately and directly promised to the blessed apostle Peter and conferred on him by Christ the Lord...And it was to Peter alone that Jesus, after his resurrection, confided the jurisdiction of Supreme Pastor and ruler of his whole fold...In order, then,....He set blessed Peter over the rest of the apostles and instituted in him the permanent principle of both unities and their visible foundation"
so you say
"Therefore, if anyone says"
these things, you say
"let him be anathema."
"To this absolutely manifest teaching of the Sacred Scriptures, as it has always been understood by the Catholic Church,...the constant custom of the Church demonstrates it, and the ecumenical councils, particularly those in which East and West met in the union of faith and charity, have declared it...So then, should anyone, which God forbid, have the temerity to reject this definition of ours:"
"let him be anathema"
"the definition of the Council of Florence: "The Roman Pontiff is the true vicar of Christ, the head of the whole Church and the father and teacher of all Christians; and to him was committed in blessed Peter, by our lord Jesus Christ, the full power of tending, ruling and governing the whole Church."
"what is more, with the approval of the second Council of Lyons, the [Apostates] ma[kng] the following profession:"The Holy Roman Church possesses the supreme and full primacy and principality over the whole Catholic Church. She truly and humbly acknowledges that she received this from the Lord himself in blessed Peter, the prince and chief of the apostles, whose successor the Roman Pontiff is, together with the fullness of power. And since before all others she has the duty of defending the truth of the faith, so if any questions arise concerning the faith, it is by her judgment that they must be settled."
"So...the [annulled] fourth Council of Constantinople, And since that saying of our lord Jesus Christ, You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, cannot fail of its effect, the words spoken are confirmed by their consequences. For in the Apostolic See the Catholic religion has always been preserved unblemished, and sacred doctrine been held in honor. Since it is our earnest desire to be in no way separated from this faith and doctrine, we hope that we may deserve to remain in that one communion which the Apostolic See preaches, for in it is the whole and true strength of the Christian religion"
"the definition of the ecumenical Council of Florence, , namely that the Apostolic See and the Roman Pontiff hold a world-wide primacy, and that the Roman Pontiff is the successor of blessed Peter, the prince of the apostles, true vicar of Christ, head of the whole Church and father and teacher of all Christian people. To him, in blessed Peter, full power has been given by our lord Jesus Christ to tend, rule and govern the universal Church....So, then, if anyone says"
these things you say
"let him be anathema....and condemn the contrary errors which are so harmful to the Lord's flock...the distorted opinions of those who misrepresent the form of government which Christ the lord established in his Church[:]On the institution of the apostolic primacy in blessed Peter....On the permanence of the primacy of blessed Peter in the Roman pontiffs....On the power and character of the primacy of the Roman Pontiff....[and] On the infallible teaching authority of the Roman Pontiff,"
twisting that out of
"It was to Simon alone, to whom he had already said You shall be called Cephas, that the Lord, after his confession, You are the Christ, the son of the living God, spoke these words:Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven...saying:Feed my lambs, feed my sheep...I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren"
and so you
"are clearly opposed...and deny that Peter, in preference to the rest of the apostles, taken singly or collectively, was endowed by Christ with a true and proper primacy of jurisdiction...That apostolic primacy which the Roman Pontiff possesses as successor of Peter, the prince of the apostles, includes also the supreme power of teaching...The same may be said of those who assert...furthermore, [that] it follows from that supreme power which the Roman Pontiff has in governing the whole Church, that he has the right, in the performance of this office of his, to communicate freely with the pastors and flocks of the entire Church, so that they may be taught and guided by him in the way of salvation....And therefore [you] condemn and reject the opinions of those who hold that this communication of the Supreme Head..in this way, by unity with the Roman Pontiff in communion and in profession of the same faith, the Church of Christ becomes one flock under one Supreme Shepherd"
and you say
"that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole Church" and "that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy"
"This power of the Supreme Pontiff by [all] means detracts from that ordinary and immediate power of episcopal jurisdiction, by which bishops, who have succeeded to the place of the apostles by appointment of the Holy Spirit, tend and govern individually the particular flocks which have been assigned to them"
"On the contrary, this power of theirs is asserted, supported and defended...for St. Gregory the Great says: "My honor is the honor of the whole Church. My honor is the steadfast strength of my brethren. Then do I receive true honor, when it is denied to none of those to whom honor is due."...Therefore, if anyone says"
"Therefore whoever succeeds to the chair of Peter obtains by the institution of Christ himself, the primacy of Peter over the whole Church...For this reason it has always been necessary for every Church--that is to say the faithful throughout the world--to be in agreement with the Roman Church because of its more effective leadership. In consequence of being joined, as members to head, with that see, from which the rights of sacred communion flow to all, they will grow together into the structure of a single body...that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the apostles,...to this day and for ever he lives and presides and exercises judgment in his successors the bishops of the Holy Roman See, which he founded and consecrated with his blood"
"let him be anathema"
and anthematize those who
"[the] Holy See has always maintained this...as a divinely revealed dogma that when the Roman Pontiff speaks ex cathedra, that is, when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church, he possesses, by the divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, that infallibility which the divine Redeemer willed his Church to enjoy in defining doctrine concerning faith or morals...that, by divine ordinance, the Roman Church possesses a pre-eminence of ordinary power over every other Church, and that this jurisdictional power of the Roman Pontiff is both episcopal and immediate. Both clergy and faithful, of whatever rite and dignity, both singly and collectively, are bound to submit to this power by the duty of hierarchical subordination and true obedience, and this not only in matters concerning faith and morals, but also in those which regard the discipline and government of the Church throughout the world....[who] teach and define...therefore, such definitions of the Roman Pontiff are of themselves, and not by the consent of the Church, irreformable...so that they might, by his revelation, make known some new doctrine...since the gates of hell trying, if they can, to overthrow the Church, make their assault with a hatred that increases day by day against its divinely laid foundation....Wherefore"
"teach and declare...[that a] gift of truth and never-failing faith was therefore divinely conferred on Peter and his successors in this See...referred to this Apostolic See...The Roman pontiffs"
"First dogmatic constitution on the Church of Christ...that this See of St. Peter always remains unblemished by any error...judge it absolutely necessary to affirm solemnly [as a] prerogative which the only-begotten Son of God was pleased to attach to supreme pastoral office" you anathematize, including
the nonsene spewed
"at Rome in public session, solemnly [ex cathedra] in the Vatican Basilica in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and seventy, on the eighteenth day of July, in the twenty-fifth year of [the] pontificate"
"Pius, bishop...with the approval of the Sacred Council, for an everlasting record"
I don't have to "note" any nonsense you spew.
You are free to do as you like. To those who have ears, let them hear.