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« on: September 12, 2010, 11:17:43 AM »

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Pope Benedict XVI is set next week to honour the Victorian churchman and writer Cardinal John Henry Newman, by beatifying him – bringing him to the penultimate stage of full sainthood. The ceremony, at a park near Birmingham, will be performed before a 70,000-strong congregation, and a global English-speaking audience of millions, via the media.
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But why had Benedict, a rigid conservative, seen fit to hasten the beatification of a man who has an iconic stature for liberal Catholic intellectuals throughout the English-speaking world? All becomes clear with Benedict’s revision of John Henry Newman’s legacy. Pope Benedict and Catholic officialdom are presenting Newman as an exemplar of unquestioning papal allegiance. The Cardinal has been pontifically hijacked.
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Newman had a jaundiced view of the papacy, especially an ageing one. “It is anomaly,” he wrote, “and bears no good fruit. He [the Pope] becomes a god, has no one to contradict him, does not know facts, and does cruel things without meaning it.”

Newman described the papacy of his day, Pius IX’s, as a “climax of tyranny”. He even accused him of heresy, for “narrowing the lines of communion, trembling at freedom of thought, and using the language of dismay and despair at the prospect before us”. Benedict believes the Church should rid itself of the naysayers and critics. He also denies that the Church should change, whereas Newman wrote: “Here below, to live is to change, and to be perfect is to have changed often.” Their differences abound. Benedict downgrades the laity, while Newman believed the laity should participate fully in the running of the Church: “The Church would look foolish without them,” he once quipped to a sceptical bishop. Benedict jealously protects the pyramidal structure of the Church, with the Pope and the Vatican at the apex. “The Holy See,” Newman lamented, “was once the court of ultimate appeal” and not the “extreme centralisation which now is in use.”

The most dramatic difference between Newman and Benedict involves the role of conscience in the life of a Catholic. What should a Catholic do when individual conscience and papal teaching are at variance? Newman wrote that conscience must always be the final arbiter. If he were to make an after-dinner toast, he wrote, “I shall drink … to conscience first and to the Pope afterwards.” A person who fails to follow conscience, he wrote, “loses his soul”. For Benedict, however, allowing conscience to be the final arbiter of moral behaviour is to invite moral relativism....
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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2010, 01:02:23 PM »

Imagine that.  A conservative British newspaper complaining about the Papacy... laugh

And they still can't get the honorifics right.  It's John Henry Cardinal Newman.

The status quo in Britian are getting their proverbial knickers in a twist over the Pope even noticing that the UK exists; his visit is enough to drive them apoplexy.

Cardinal Newman was a every erudite and educated man.  He could have chosen the Orthodox route but, in the end, he believed that the Papacy, for all the warts of his time and of all time, was essential to the Christian life.  He also accepted the office of Cardinal from Pius IX.  In the end, Cardinal Newman confessed Roman Catholicism to his deathbed.

I would also like to see the context of Pope Benedict XVI "downgrad[ing] the laity," as well as the context of all the Newman quotes.

It's also worth noting that Cardinal Newman's cause for canonization is quite old; the article makes it sound like Pope Benedict pulled it out of thin air.
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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2010, 02:06:09 PM »

More John Cornwell filth.

Pope Benedict knows more about Cardinal Newman in his pinkie finger than Cornwell does in his whole body. He has been a reader and admirer of the true Newman for 60 years.

Cornwell and the other progressivists' gay liberal Newman doesn't exist.
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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2010, 02:36:20 PM »

Blessed John Henry Newman was considered a "liberal" by some in his day, but that was because he was not an ultramontanist (a view which was quite popular in Rome at the time). He was a fierce enemy of theological liberalism and moral relativism, the very things the Modernist John Cornwell claims Newman to justify.

Newman was a man after Joseph Ratzinger's own heart, who has himself long fought against the "dictatorship of relativism"---and who is also not an ultramontanist.
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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2010, 03:47:40 PM »

John Cornwell is a joke.  While I don't consider Cardinal Newman a saint, as he wasn't Orthodox, I have a great deal of respect for him.  He played an important part in my journey to Holy Orthodoxy.  It is sad to see these liberals who pretend to love Christianity trying to use pious Christians as spokesmen for their godless agendas. 
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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2010, 02:40:16 AM »

I thought this was interesting: http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/susan-boyle-sing-for-pope-benedict-xvi-during-open-air-mass-1019143.php .  Is she singing "I dreamed a dream" within the mass as the article says?   Shocked
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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2010, 09:59:04 AM »

Arlington House - a conservative publisher - put together a selection of Newman's sermons and entitled it "Newman against the Liberals." Newman was an unflagging opponent of the notion that one religion was as good as another, as well as the concept of theological relativism. The sermons were very Catholic, but as noted in the preface, they were actually delivered when he was still an Anglican. The book was edited by the late Michael Davies. The theological drift in Anglicanism against its apostolic roots is not a new phenemon, and was felt in Newman's day as well. The failure of Anglicanism to fight these tendencies a central factor to what brought so many over to Rome in the past 150 years.

My dad has another Newman book, another selection of sermons, edited by Newman himself. The last essay is strongly papalist in tone and would make many of his liberal supporters blanch.
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2010, 01:52:33 PM »

I thought this was interesting: http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/susan-boyle-sing-for-pope-benedict-xvi-during-open-air-mass-1019143.php .  Is she singing "I dreamed a dream" within the mass as the article says?   Shocked

No. I was in New York at Yankee Stadium for the papal mass in 2008. These things always begin with a big concert before the pope arrives.

So Susan Boyle will sing whatever before the mass, and then she will join the choir to sing the mass.
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2010, 08:22:21 AM »

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During a workshop for American bishops in Dallas in 1991, then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger reflected at length on Newman’s legacy, arguing that Newman’s emphasis on conscience rests on a prior commitment to truth.

“Conscience is central for [Newman] because truth stands in the middle,” Ratzinger said then. “Conscience signifies the perceptible and demanding presence of the voice of truth in the subject himself.”

In that sense, Ratzinger argued, it’s a mistake to style Newman as a patron saint of dissent.

For Newman, Ratzinger argued, “A man of conscience is one who never acquires tolerance, well- being, success, public standing, and approval on the part of prevailing opinion, at the expense of truth.”

That led Ratzinger to identify two standards for a genuine sense of the role of conscience.

“First, conscience is not identical to personal wishes and taste,” he said. “Secondly, conscience cannot be reduced to social advantage, to group consensus or to the demands of political and social power.”

That, in effect, is the version of John Henry Newman whom Benedict beatified this morning.

Benedict acknowledged that while Newman was one of the great personalities of Victorian-era England, “he continues today to inspire and enlighten many all over the world.”
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2010, 10:54:34 AM »

Any truth to this or is it just smut from The Guardian?   Is Newman being hijacked by the gay fraternity?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/04/catholicism.gayrights

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