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"Heal Me with Your Mouth: The Art of Kissing"
« on: September 05, 2017, 11:12:58 PM »
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Archbishop Víctor Manuel “Tucho” Fernández, rector of the the Pontifical Catholic University of Argentina in Buenos Aires and ghostwriter for Pope Francis, has a long track record of modernist theological writings that stretch long before he penned Amoris Laetitia, Evangelii Gaudium, or Laudato Sii for the Argentine pontiff. We recently published a translation of Tucho's latest defense of the most heterodox assertions that can be derived from Amoris Laetitia. Besides his articles in the 1990s criticizing John Paul II's teachings about intrinsic evils, which it appears he sloppily copy-pasted into Amoris Laetitia, Tucho's perhaps most revealing writing is his infamous 1995 book, whose contents are as sleazy, inappropriate, and absurd as its title: Heal Me with your Mouth: The Art of Kissing.

A friend of Rorate has translated into English the full text of Archbishop "Tucho" Fernandez' Heal Me with Your Mouth: The Art of Kissing, and we now publish this full translation below, with a disclaimer for some disturbing images and content, especially considering that the author is an ordained minister of the Church bound by a vow of celibacy.

https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2017/09/full-text-of-archbishop-tucho.html

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Re: "Heal Me with Your Mouth: The Art of Kissing"
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2017, 11:32:41 PM »
I wonder if Rorate even bothered to read it. 
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Re: "Heal Me with Your Mouth: The Art of Kissing"
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2017, 11:38:55 PM »
There's basic Patristics lacking in the language of thousands of millions Roman Catholics and some English/Spanish bilingual translated a 10-thousand word book just to show how angry he is at it?
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Re: "Heal Me with Your Mouth: The Art of Kissing"
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2017, 11:56:24 PM »
If anyone's interested, I'll be leading a study group based on this book, including an extensive practicum.  Men need not apply.

I've had my eye on you ever since you started the sexting thread...  :o

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Re: "Heal Me with Your Mouth: The Art of Kissing"
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2017, 10:40:42 AM »
If anyone's interested, I'll be leading a study group based on this book, including an extensive practicum.  Men need not apply.

I've had my eye on you ever since you started the sexting thread...  :o
But it got your attention.  ;)
Did you read the linked material?
Is any of the above Orthodox?  I have no clue, so there's that.

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Re: "Heal Me with Your Mouth: The Art of Kissing"
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2017, 11:25:44 AM »
Lest we Orthodox throw stones, Archimandrite Panteleimon Manoussakis, a professor at Holy Cross, has written some rather surprising things about kissing as well, though more thoroughly suffused in academic jargon, in his book God after Metaphysics: A Theological Aesthetic.

https://books.google.be/books?id=4CqbCMiigxMC&pg=PA137&lpg=PA137&dq=panteleimon+manoussakis+kissing&source=bl&ots=Wty6r2RVVj&sig=O0h1mCb1pmnLD5EkJHEyANMVk7c&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiKmMO37pDWAhVJalAKHYItD20Q6AEITzAK#v=onepage&q=kissing&f=false

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Re: "Heal Me with Your Mouth: The Art of Kissing"
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2017, 12:13:10 PM »
Did you know the kiss of peace we do during the liturgy may have been from mouth to mouth?

Vain existence can never exist, for "unless the LORD builds the house, the builders labor in vain." (Psalm 127)

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Re: "Heal Me with Your Mouth: The Art of Kissing"
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2017, 12:45:24 AM »
Why you do this to me?  :o   I came here thinking that it was about the devotional kissing of icons!  :'(
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Re: "Heal Me with Your Mouth: The Art of Kissing"
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2017, 02:47:40 AM »
Is it not?
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Re: "Heal Me with Your Mouth: The Art of Kissing"
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2017, 03:21:04 AM »
If anyone's interested, I'll be leading a study group based on this book, including an extensive practicum.  Men need not apply.

I've had my eye on you ever since you started the sexting thread...  :o
But it got your attention.  ;)
Did you read the linked material?

Not yet, and tbh I haven't even glanced over it at this point. However, I did order a book from Amazon by the author mentioned by Samn! (Fr. John Panteleimon Manoussakis): After God: Richard Kearney and the Religious Turn in Continental Philosophy. Sounds like a real barn burner!

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Re: "Heal Me with Your Mouth: The Art of Kissing"
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2017, 12:56:30 PM »
Why you do this to me?  :o   I came here thinking that it was about the devotional kissing of icons!  :'(

Are we not "icons" of God?  ;)  :-*
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Re: "Heal Me with Your Mouth: The Art of Kissing"
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2017, 05:21:13 PM »
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Re: "Heal Me with Your Mouth: The Art of Kissing"
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2017, 11:20:28 PM »
If anyone's interested, I'll be leading a study group based on this book, including an extensive practicum.  Men need not apply.

I've had my eye on you ever since you started the sexting thread...  :o
But it got your attention.  ;)
Did you read the linked material?

Have you read it? Or at least looked over it? Thoughts?

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Re: "Heal Me with Your Mouth: The Art of Kissing"
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2017, 11:39:06 PM »
Did you know the kiss of peace we do during the liturgy may have been from mouth to mouth?

Not like this I hope: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/al-gore-and-tipper-gore-kiss-at-the-dnc-10797435

If this is the Kiss of Death

One wonders what the Kiss of Peace looks like
Vain existence can never exist, for "unless the LORD builds the house, the builders labor in vain." (Psalm 127)

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Re: "Heal Me with Your Mouth: The Art of Kissing"
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2017, 10:43:59 AM »
Did you know the kiss of peace we do during the liturgy may have been from mouth to mouth?



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Therefore when we kiss each other's mouth, we are kissing the entrance of the temple

I'm so going to use this next time I go to a bar.
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But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
Leviticus 19:34

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Re: "Heal Me with Your Mouth: The Art of Kissing"
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2017, 03:52:38 AM »
If anyone's interested, I'll be leading a study group based on this book, including an extensive practicum.  Men need not apply.

I've had my eye on you ever since you started the sexting thread...  :o

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