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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2010, 03:17:25 AM » |
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Thank you for sharing this.
One really has to be amazed that an elderly man, with ailing health, is achieving so much in several countries. I do not imagine that Fr Michael's age and health will allow much more strenuous work on several continents but he is planting seeds and others will reap the benefits. Imagine the missionary impact if other monks undertook such work and, unlike Fr Michael, they had the financial backing of the Church to further their work. |
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One really has to be amazed that an elderly man, with ailing health, is achieving so much in several countries. I do not imagine that Fr Michael's age and health will allow much more strenuous work on several continents but he is planting seeds and others will reap the benefits. Imagine the missionary impact if other monks undertook such work and, unlike Fr Michael, they had the financial backing of the Church to further their work. This is very inspiring. Thank you for sharing it with us, Father! What Western Rite(s) do(es) the parishes use? In Christ, Andrew |
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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2011, 05:45:14 PM » |
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I imagine the Shorter St. Colman Prayer Book (SSCPB) or the St. Colman Prayer Book (SCPB) a publication of the St. Petroc Paruchia of the WR of ROCOR.
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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2011, 06:03:06 PM » |
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One really has to be amazed that an elderly man, with ailing health, is achieving so much in several countries. I do not imagine that Fr Michael's age and health will allow much more strenuous work on several continents but he is planting seeds and others will reap the benefits. Imagine the missionary impact if other monks undertook such work and, unlike Fr Michael, they had the financial backing of the Church to further their work. This is very inspiring. Thank you for sharing it with us, Father! What Western Rite(s) do(es) the parishes use? Aristibule Adams, who is the representative of the paruchia and supplier of the Saint Colman Prayer book in the United States writes: "To be clear: the Saint Petroc usage (the Saint Colman Prayer Book) includes three forms of liturgy: a Sarum use (not the full cathedral Sarum rite but a Sarum use for missions), an English liturgy (primarily Sarum with a handful of items from the Non-Juror liturgy, Gothic, York.. or following the wording of the 1549 BCP in a few instances), and the Gregorian rite (which is the Christminster/Mount Royal liturgy.) The offices are Sarum based upon the Clewer translation. There is also a recension of the Lorrha-Stowe Missal which is to be included in the supplementary book (though I do not know if/when it will be approved to serve..." http://theyorkforum.yuku.com/sreply/12977/t/Western-Rite-Orthodox-News.htmlThis was written in 2008. |
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2011, 01:34:46 PM » |
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For once and for all - the poison that "Irish Hermit" spreads about me. I am not "ailing" I am not all that elderly I am in excellent health and I am extremely active. We are not "corporate" We are just a semi-eremitic monastery with several Hieromonks doing their missionary work as given us by our Metropolitan, assisted by some monks and nuns. Nothing special. Yes we have set up a big new website so that our communities around the world can contribute and feel part of a greater Church. Bishop Jerome and Metropolitan Hilarion have helped us greatly and continue to do so. The Metropolitan has named Bishop Jerome as his Assistant for Western Rite generally, and he and I correspond almost daily. The Metropolitan named me officially as his Assistant for the British Isles, and that is where I am.
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Irish Hermit and Fr.Michael: you are two Hieromonks under the same diocesan Bishop. Why can't you try to solve your personal conflicts on eg. Diocesan Assembly instead of teasing on each other on the world's most popular Orthodox webforum? Don't you understand what impression do your public quarrels make to others?
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2011, 02:42:39 PM » |
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I very, very very rarely post on any lists anywhere, but I am really sick of this man slyly slipping in his comments - so I said what I said. This can hardly be seen as an ongoing fight - I am just tired of his comments which very largely go unanswered. And yes I have tried to deal with it off line - to no effect whatsoever.
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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2011, 02:44:11 PM » |
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Frankly I (and I suppose most of us) am not interested in the reasons. Just please stop your childish quarrels here.
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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2011, 03:04:26 PM » |
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One thing that will gladden the heart of our "Irish Hermit" is that I can assure him that the moment we get a glimmering of an Irish mission .... I will hasten to ask for permission to use the Liturgy of Saint John the Divine there.
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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2011, 04:24:17 PM » |
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A truly magnificent website Father. It would be great to see some higher resolution photos, especially of your clergy such as the new one in Singapore, and perhaps photos from your US dependencies. The "Archbishop Hilarion, Metropolitan of ROCOR" would look and read much better with a higher resolution photograph with Vladyka vested and crowned and perhaps entitled: "Metropolitan Hilarion of Eastern America and New York, First Hierarch of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia". Additionally may I suggest a photo of HH Patriarch Kirill would be a welcome addition to your front page. It is a very informative site which I imagine will replace the many Petrochian sites that you currently operate with? |
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Frankly I (and I suppose most of us) am not interested in the reasons. Just please stop your childish quarrels here.
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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2011, 05:32:46 PM » |
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A truly magnificent website Father. It would be great to see some higher resolution photos.... Hello David, yes, great idea. We are currently working on getting better photographs. Unfortunately for the sake of getting the website operational we had to work with photos that had already been edited for emailing and saving bandwidth elsewhere, etc. However better ones are in the pipeline. They may not come along quickly, people have other things to do and not everyone has a good camera but it is something we are aware of and working on. Thank you for the kind words  Regards, Margaret in Edinburgh |
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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2011, 06:19:40 PM » |
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Many years! I'd love to visit in some of these European missions some day. May they be fruitful and multiply. And spread to Finland someday.  |
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« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2011, 06:23:05 PM » |
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Why don't you start one in Finland? |
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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2011, 06:49:28 PM » |
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Why don't you start one in Finland? No way, Father!  Do not lead me into temptation. I'm way to shy to do something like that. And I'm not even a reader, I can't sing nor read and I converted only about a year ago. And frankly I belive I'm one of the few Finns who has even heard about Western Rite Orthodoxy so if I asked my bishop a permission for that he'd probably ask me something like "Western rite Orthodoxy? What's that?" I'd like to pray in WR fashion on my own, though. And if someone more competent started celebrating, say, WR reader's services or masses or something I'd definately attend. Too bad that there aren't any WRO prayers or services in Finnish. Maybe I should make an effort to order some WR prayerbook from abroad despire the potentially horrible postages... |
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Why don't you start one in Finland? No way, Father! Do not lead me into temptation. I'm way to shy to do something like that. And I'm not even a reader, I can't sing nor read and I converted only about a year ago. And frankly I belive I'm one of the few Finns who has even heard about Western Rite Orthodoxy so if I asked my bishop a permission for that he'd probably ask me something like "Western rite Orthodoxy? What's that?" I'd like to pray in WR fashion on my own, though. And if someone more competent started celebrating, say, WR reader's services or masses or something I'd definately attend. Too bad that there aren't any WRO prayers or services in Finnish. Maybe I should make an effort to order some WR prayerbook from abroad despire the potentially horrible postages... Perhaps after the missed oportunity of the Nordic Catholic Church, the Orthodox in Scandinavia might know more of the WRO. Out on a Limb in Norway by William J. Tighe (Touchstone July/August, 2002) http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=15-06-054-i |
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Frankly I (and I suppose most of us) am not interested in the reasons. Just please stop your childish quarrels here.
Seriously. I am astonished to see that a member of the clergy would address another in this fashion. Have you read the Church Fathers? And some homilies. Roads. Hell. Skulls. Bishops. or the like. |
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« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2011, 07:17:31 PM » |
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I very, very very rarely post on any lists anywhere, but I am really sick of this man slyly slipping in his comments - so I said what I said. This can hardly be seen as an ongoing fight - I am just tired of his comments which very largely go unanswered. And yes I have tried to deal with it off line - to no effect whatsoever.
Dear Abbot Michael, I have had nothing off line. If you still have the messages would you be so kind as to send them. Many thanks. |
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« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2011, 03:55:27 AM » |
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Dear Fr Ambrose,
Your blessing.
I know you know what a busy and rather complicated life Fr Michael has and it might not be possible to track down old emails but we will see what we can do for you. Or, of course, we could just let go of it as has been suggested above.
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Hi. Today I decided to re-read "Out on a Limb in Norway" ... short story short, via-Google I came across this post: Why don't you start one in Finland? No way, Father! Do not lead me into temptation. I'm way to shy to do something like that. And I'm not even a reader, I can't sing nor read and I converted only about a year ago. And frankly I belive I'm one of the few Finns who has even heard about Western Rite Orthodoxy so if I asked my bishop a permission for that he'd probably ask me something like "Western rite Orthodoxy? What's that?" I'd like to pray in WR fashion on my own, though. And if someone more competent started celebrating, say, WR reader's services or masses or something I'd definately attend. Too bad that there aren't any WRO prayers or services in Finnish. Maybe I should make an effort to order some WR prayerbook from abroad despire the potentially horrible postages... Perhaps after the missed oportunity of the Nordic Catholic Church, the Orthodox in Scandinavia might know more of the WRO. Out on a Limb in Norway by William J. Tighe (Touchstone July/August, 2002) http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=15-06-054-iI realize you said that a while ago (the fact that the post is followed by one from Fr. Ambrose says something about its age  ) but I'm curious to hear more of what you were thinking. |
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« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2013, 05:07:40 PM » |
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Hi. Today I decided to re-read "Out on a Limb in Norway" ... short story short, via-Google I came across this post: Why don't you start one in Finland? No way, Father! Do not lead me into temptation. I'm way to shy to do something like that. And I'm not even a reader, I can't sing nor read and I converted only about a year ago. And frankly I belive I'm one of the few Finns who has even heard about Western Rite Orthodoxy so if I asked my bishop a permission for that he'd probably ask me something like "Western rite Orthodoxy? What's that?" I'd like to pray in WR fashion on my own, though. And if someone more competent started celebrating, say, WR reader's services or masses or something I'd definately attend. Too bad that there aren't any WRO prayers or services in Finnish. Maybe I should make an effort to order some WR prayerbook from abroad despire the potentially horrible postages... Perhaps after the missed oportunity of the Nordic Catholic Church, the Orthodox in Scandinavia might know more of the WRO. Out on a Limb in Norway by William J. Tighe (Touchstone July/August, 2002) http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=15-06-054-iI realize you said that a while ago (the fact that the post is followed by one from Fr. Ambrose says something about its age ) but I'm curious to hear more of what you were thinking. Had they been received as WRO, they would be Orthodox today. That was their preference. The Phanar's bishop, however, doesn't want Scandinavians to get the idea that Orthodoxy is for Scandinavians (I'm almost quoting verbatim here). |
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Hi. Today I decided to re-read "Out on a Limb in Norway" ... short story short, via-Google I came across this post: Why don't you start one in Finland? No way, Father! Do not lead me into temptation. I'm way to shy to do something like that. And I'm not even a reader, I can't sing nor read and I converted only about a year ago. And frankly I belive I'm one of the few Finns who has even heard about Western Rite Orthodoxy so if I asked my bishop a permission for that he'd probably ask me something like "Western rite Orthodoxy? What's that?" I'd like to pray in WR fashion on my own, though. And if someone more competent started celebrating, say, WR reader's services or masses or something I'd definately attend. Too bad that there aren't any WRO prayers or services in Finnish. Maybe I should make an effort to order some WR prayerbook from abroad despire the potentially horrible postages... Perhaps after the missed oportunity of the Nordic Catholic Church, the Orthodox in Scandinavia might know more of the WRO. Out on a Limb in Norway by William J. Tighe (Touchstone July/August, 2002) http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=15-06-054-iI realize you said that a while ago (the fact that the post is followed by one from Fr. Ambrose says something about its age ) but I'm curious to hear more of what you were thinking. Had they been received as WRO, they would be Orthodox today. That was their preference. Well I guess that's possible, although it wasn't at all the impression I got from the article. |
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Hi. Today I decided to re-read "Out on a Limb in Norway" ... short story short, via-Google I came across this post: Why don't you start one in Finland? No way, Father! Do not lead me into temptation. I'm way to shy to do something like that. And I'm not even a reader, I can't sing nor read and I converted only about a year ago. And frankly I belive I'm one of the few Finns who has even heard about Western Rite Orthodoxy so if I asked my bishop a permission for that he'd probably ask me something like "Western rite Orthodoxy? What's that?" I'd like to pray in WR fashion on my own, though. And if someone more competent started celebrating, say, WR reader's services or masses or something I'd definately attend. Too bad that there aren't any WRO prayers or services in Finnish. Maybe I should make an effort to order some WR prayerbook from abroad despire the potentially horrible postages... Perhaps after the missed oportunity of the Nordic Catholic Church, the Orthodox in Scandinavia might know more of the WRO. Out on a Limb in Norway by William J. Tighe (Touchstone July/August, 2002) http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=15-06-054-iI realize you said that a while ago (the fact that the post is followed by one from Fr. Ambrose says something about its age ) but I'm curious to hear more of what you were thinking. Had they been received as WRO, they would be Orthodox today. That was their preference. Well I guess that's possible, although it wasn't at all the impression I got from the article. I have insider information that perhaps doesn't come out as starkly in the article without it. |
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Hi. Today I decided to re-read "Out on a Limb in Norway" ... short story short, via-Google I came across this post: Why don't you start one in Finland? No way, Father! Do not lead me into temptation. I'm way to shy to do something like that. And I'm not even a reader, I can't sing nor read and I converted only about a year ago. And frankly I belive I'm one of the few Finns who has even heard about Western Rite Orthodoxy so if I asked my bishop a permission for that he'd probably ask me something like "Western rite Orthodoxy? What's that?" I'd like to pray in WR fashion on my own, though. And if someone more competent started celebrating, say, WR reader's services or masses or something I'd definately attend. Too bad that there aren't any WRO prayers or services in Finnish. Maybe I should make an effort to order some WR prayerbook from abroad despire the potentially horrible postages... Perhaps after the missed oportunity of the Nordic Catholic Church, the Orthodox in Scandinavia might know more of the WRO. Out on a Limb in Norway by William J. Tighe (Touchstone July/August, 2002) http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=15-06-054-iI realize you said that a while ago (the fact that the post is followed by one from Fr. Ambrose says something about its age ) but I'm curious to hear more of what you were thinking. Had they been received as WRO, they would be Orthodox today. That was their preference. Well I guess that's possible, although it wasn't at all the impression I got from the article. I have insider information that perhaps doesn't come out as starkly in the article without it. Well, I'll take your word for that. On a side note, I've speculated before that the Norway situation could have been a potential "Lutheran Ordinariate" situation. (I mean, if the "Ordinariate" idea had been more developed back then. In fact, there's a comment in the interview that "The Roman Catholic Church never gave any indication of an option other than individual conversions.") |
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Is this group part of the ROCOR Western-Rite that has come under criticism lately.
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