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Offline mike

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Re: Ukrainian Orthodoxy
« Reply #90 on: September 11, 2010, 07:16:35 AM »
The discussion is needed but the historiography and mythology of the Ukrainian and Polish nationalist movements needs to be reassessed.

I agree.
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Re: Ukrainian Orthodoxy
« Reply #91 on: September 11, 2010, 08:34:20 AM »
I want to clarify my stance. I am for Ukrainian statehood and independence from the Russian Federation. I believe that the Ukrainian people are a brotherly people to us Poles, who share with us a common belief in Christ. I do not support in any way the claims of Moscow, that Poland and Ukraine are little midget nations which should listen subserviently and obediently to Moscow. My blood boils when I hear about what Putin and his ideologists say about central Europe. Example typical Russian Putinist ideologian Karaganov's rhetoric: If Russia becomes more democratic and rich, then you (Poles in this context) will fear us even more. Russia will always threathen you. If we stop being a threat, then we will quit being Russian, we will stop being a strong, free, and happy people. Taken from an interview in the Polish Gazeta Wyborcza in May 2008
Karaganov in a discussion explained that the ideal situation for Russia would be a return to the era of Otto von Bismarck. Then someone pointed out that this ime was not the best for Poles, Lithuanians or Ukrainians. Karaganov then replied, that if we start   talking about the interests of small nations, someone will always suffer. With the liquidation of small nations, keeping within Karaganov's thought,the peace between the empires will bring about an era of tranquility and peace, prosperity will grow and Europe will be a stable place.
I have to add that I support Ukraine but not UPA. You will have your viewpoint and I will have mine. The discussion is needed but the historiography and mythology of the Ukrainian nationalist movement needs to be reassessed.
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