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« on: August 25, 2010, 06:30:43 PM »

My nephew has been dating this girl on and off for a few years now.  A few months ago, I found out she actively engaged in Satanic or Occult rituals.  Although I've been told she doesn't anymore, I don't believe it.  I don't like to be around her as I get a very uncomfortable feeling.  She's around my younger nephews as well, whom I have had to step up and care for since my sister is going through... a mid-life crisis? 

This worries me.  While the nephew in question, who is 19, has always been a bit of a brat (quit school, never has worked a job, whines all the time), I've noticed his anger excel and has done some bizarre things as of late.  I've prayed for Christ to keep away all enemies of him and to protect us but she's not going away. Any advice?
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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2010, 06:51:17 PM »

My nephew has been dating this girl on and off for a few years now.  A few months ago, I found out she actively engaged in Satanic or Occult rituals.  Although I've been told she doesn't anymore, I don't believe it.  I don't like to be around her as I get a very uncomfortable feeling.  She's around my younger nephews as well, whom I have had to step up and care for since my sister is going through... a mid-life crisis?  

This worries me.  While the nephew in question, who is 19, has always been a bit of a brat (quit school, never has worked a job, whines all the time), I've noticed his anger excel and has done some bizarre things as of late.  I've prayed for Christ to keep away all enemies of him and to protect us but she's not going away. Any advice?
Dude that happened to me. I knew this girl who was a witch, a Wiccan, and she told me that she won't stop anymore,from Italy. non smetterò mai she told me in Italian.
And she told me that she believed in the gods.
I just act amiably whenever I see her.
Besides dude we all had pagan ancestors. Are we gonna treat our ancestors badly cause they were pagans?
Yeah.. strange times.
These nature worshipers can't see how mother nature killed so many Haitians in Haiti, or left many homeless in Pakistan, Or how the modern religion is a shadow of its former self. In fact they don't even know how exactly the ancient pagans believed.
Pray, personally I think that orthodox girls are better than witches, because The orthodox girls have the concept of the Love of God, that witches don't, a very beautiful concept.
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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2010, 07:00:40 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2010, 07:11:40 PM »

My advice is to avoid them both.

If you can't, then send their names to as many priests and monasteries as you can to ask for prayers for their salvation from the enemy.



My nephew has been dating this girl on and off for a few years now.  A few months ago, I found out she actively engaged in Satanic or Occult rituals.  Although I've been told she doesn't anymore, I don't believe it.  I don't like to be around her as I get a very uncomfortable feeling.  She's around my younger nephews as well, whom I have had to step up and care for since my sister is going through... a mid-life crisis? 

This worries me.  While the nephew in question, who is 19, has always been a bit of a brat (quit school, never has worked a job, whines all the time), I've noticed his anger excel and has done some bizarre things as of late.  I've prayed for Christ to keep away all enemies of him and to protect us but she's not going away. Any advice?
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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2010, 08:34:08 PM »

Hinestly, occultists arent all that bad.
many of them (in high magick) can read hebrew and know the associations for many of the hebrew script, etc. and know many names of God from the tanukh & torah, etc.

Reagrdless, their energy is misplaced and they open themselves up spiritually without realizing it.
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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2010, 08:34:29 PM »

1. You seem to be praying for deliverance for yourself and your nephew from enemies, and even from this girl. That seems a bit of an isolationist approach. I would think it more proper and probably more effectual if you were praying for her deliverance as well.

2. Not everything that is labeled "occult" these days is truly anti-Christian. Make sure you know exactly what she is dabbling in before you judge her.
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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2010, 08:52:24 PM »

My nephew has been dating this girl on and off for a few years now.  A few months ago, I found out she actively engaged in Satanic or Occult rituals. 
I'm curious: how did you find this out?
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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2010, 11:32:57 PM »

1. You seem to be praying for deliverance for yourself and your nephew from enemies, and even from this girl. That seems a bit of an isolationist approach. I would think it more proper and probably more effectual if you were praying for her deliverance as well.

2. Not everything that is labeled "occult" these days is truly anti-Christian. Make sure you know exactly what she is dabbling in before you judge her.

It's difficult to pray for one who doesn't wish to be delivered.

My nephew has been dating this girl on and off for a few years now.  A few months ago, I found out she actively engaged in Satanic or Occult rituals. 
I'm curious: how did you find this out?

During one of their break-ups, he told me how he an encounter with her at college (when he was still enrolled) where she told him all about her new 'religion'.  One day, while sitting with them, she told me all about how she sees her 'spirit animal' and about some of her experiences.  It was one of the first times I had actually talked to her.  I think the last too.
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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2010, 11:33:22 PM »

My advice is to avoid them both.

If you can't, then send their names to as many priests and monasteries as you can to ask for prayers for their salvation from the enemy.



My nephew has been dating this girl on and off for a few years now.  A few months ago, I found out she actively engaged in Satanic or Occult rituals.  Although I've been told she doesn't anymore, I don't believe it.  I don't like to be around her as I get a very uncomfortable feeling.  She's around my younger nephews as well, whom I have had to step up and care for since my sister is going through... a mid-life crisis? 

This worries me.  While the nephew in question, who is 19, has always been a bit of a brat (quit school, never has worked a job, whines all the time), I've noticed his anger excel and has done some bizarre things as of late.  I've prayed for Christ to keep away all enemies of him and to protect us but she's not going away. Any advice?

Thank you Father.  I will do this.
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« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2010, 11:44:42 PM »

Was that a serious post?  Drug reference removed  -PtA
sorry, it was a sloppy post.
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Ah, a stregha. I've met one too. Or, to be more precise, I met someone who had a grandmother who was a stregha: the grandmother asked her if she would like to have her powers after she (the grandmother) passed away, and she said "No thanks".
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During one of their break-ups, he told me how he an encounter with her at college (when he was still enrolled) where she told him all about her new 'religion'.  One day, while sitting with them, she told me all about how she sees her 'spirit animal' and about some of her experiences.  It was one of the first times I had actually talked to her.  I think the last too.
A 'spirit animal' isn't exactly 'satanic'.
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During one of their break-ups, he told me how he an encounter with her at college (when he was still enrolled) where she told him all about her new 'religion'.  One day, while sitting with them, she told me all about how she sees her 'spirit animal' and about some of her experiences.  It was one of the first times I had actually talked to her.  I think the last too.
A 'spirit animal' isn't exactly 'satanic'.

Uh...yeah it is?  Sorry, but if you are seeing "spirit animals" (of course, that's not what you're really seeing) then you're intimately connected to the Evil One. 

You're kidding me, right?  It's not like she saw a bunny run across the road and claimed it as her spirit animal.  Seeing panthers in PA..in your home...is not from God.  The people who do see these things are far from the light of God, by their own accord.
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During one of their break-ups, he told me how he an encounter with her at college (when he was still enrolled) where she told him all about her new 'religion'.  One day, while sitting with them, she told me all about how she sees her 'spirit animal' and about some of her experiences.  It was one of the first times I had actually talked to her.  I think the last too.
A 'spirit animal' isn't exactly 'satanic'.

Uh...yeah it is?  Sorry, but if you are seeing "spirit animals" (of course, that's not what you're really seeing) then you're intimately connected to the Evil One. 

You're kidding me, right?  It's not like she saw a bunny run across the road and claimed it as her spirit animal.  Seeing panthers in PA..in your home...is not from God.  The people who do see these things are far from the light of God, by their own accord.
Spirit animals are a valued part of Native American spirituality. Each animal symbolizes a certain virtue, or trait. The panther, for instance, is known for his power and grace.

Now, I don't know what this girl is doing in order to "see" her spirit animal. As far as I know, she might simply be meditating in the woods. Does she invoke some demonic entity?
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« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2010, 04:29:35 PM »

I have yet to hear of someone who claims that their spirit animal is a wildebeest or a gnat or a flatworm.
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During one of their break-ups, he told me how he an encounter with her at college (when he was still enrolled) where she told him all about her new 'religion'.  One day, while sitting with them, she told me all about how she sees her 'spirit animal' and about some of her experiences.  It was one of the first times I had actually talked to her.  I think the last too.
A 'spirit animal' isn't exactly 'satanic'.

Uh...yeah it is?  Sorry, but if you are seeing "spirit animals" (of course, that's not what you're really seeing) then you're intimately connected to the Evil One.  

You're kidding me, right?  It's not like she saw a bunny run across the road and claimed it as her spirit animal.  Seeing panthers in PA..in your home...is not from God.  The people who do see these things are far from the light of God, by their own accord.
Spirit animals are a valued part of Native American spirituality. Each animal symbolizes a certain virtue, or trait. The panther, for instance, is known for his power and grace.

Now, I don't know what this girl is doing in order to "see" her spirit animal. As far as I know, she might simply be meditating in the woods. Does she invoke some demonic entity?

From the Orthodox perspective...yes.  

So..let me understand this.  If you saw a vision of a panther in your home..you would say, "Thank you God for showing me power and grace!"?  I think/hope not.  What do Native Americans have to do with Orthodox Christian spirituality?  They don't worship God, they worship "nature".  If you think this is compatible with Orthodoxy, maybe you should seek out advice from a priest.  

She doesn't have to specifically invoke a demonic entity by name in order to be under one's influence or attach herself to one.  People who use the Ouija board come to mind
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I have yet to hear of someone who claims that their spirit animal is a wildebeest
No wildebeests in North America, though there are bison.
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Animal spirits and animistic stuff may have demonic influences, but it is not exactly capital-S "Satanic". For better or for worse, forms of animism have coexisted with Christianity in many cultures, even Orthodox ones. I'm not saying it's wholesome or entirely blameless, but the Church has shown that there are positive aspects mixed in with the old religions, and that there is truth in there, even if obscured by error. The work of demons is real but so is the fact that the creation reveals to us the Creator; the veneration of many peoples of the world for nature led them to some knowledge of God. Simply saying, "Oh, they are demon worshippers and that's that" is not helpful and, in my opinion, not consistent with a Church whose saints have found value in Plato and Laozi.

Now, coming to your situation- I don't know the specifics or the people involved, but I do live in PA. When I hear some teenager in PA talk about seeing "animal spirits", the first thing that comes to my mind isn't "Uh oh, Satanist!" Unless he's a Native American, it probably means he's been hanging around the "metaphysical" section in Barnes and Noble, between forays into the woods in search of fairy circles. Can this be dangerous? Sure, but it's probably a phase; if the girl says she doesn't do it anymore, it's probably true- she likely got bored with it and moved on to something else.

Pray for them. Whether they would want you to pray for them, or whether they desire God's help, isn't relevant. We should pray for all. 
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« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2010, 05:05:34 PM »

"If you can't, then send their names to as many priests and monasteries as you can to ask for prayers for their salvation from the enemy."

Great advice.

Maybe the poster can put the names in the prayer forum as well.
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"Pray for them. Whether they would want you to pray for them, or whether they desire God's help, isn't relevant. We should pray for all." 

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Animal spirits and animistic stuff may have demonic influences, but it is not exactly capital-S "Satanic". For better or for worse, forms of animism have coexisted with Christianity in many cultures, even Orthodox ones. I'm not saying it's wholesome or entirely blameless, but the Church has shown that there are positive aspects mixed in with the old religions, and that there is truth in there, even if obscured by error. The work of demons is real but so is the fact that the creation reveals to us the Creator; the veneration of many peoples of the world for nature led them to some knowledge of God. Simply saying, "Oh, they are demon worshippers and that's that" is not helpful and, in my opinion, not consistent with a Church whose saints have found value in Plato and Laozi.

Now, coming to your situation- I don't know the specifics or the people involved, but I do live in PA. When I hear some teenager in PA talk about seeing "animal spirits", the first thing that comes to my mind isn't "Uh oh, Satanist!" Unless he's a Native American, it probably means he's been hanging around the "metaphysical" section in Barnes and Noble, between forays into the woods in search of fairy circles. Can this be dangerous? Sure, but it's probably a phase; if the girl says she doesn't do it anymore, it's probably true- she likely got bored with it and moved on to something else.

Pray for them. Whether they would want you to pray for them, or whether they desire God's help, isn't relevant. We should pray for all.  

I understand what you're saying, however let me talk about a few of your points.  I did not say Native Americans are 'Satan Worshipers", rather I said someone who sees 'animal spirits' is probably not seeing anything from God.  This is true and consistent with Church teaching.  As for those who have grown up and practiced these religions, there are many theological and psychological explanations to them.  I will not say what they are seeing.  Frankly, I really don't care.  What I care about is a girl who has animosity towards Christianity and a background in the Occult being around my youngest nephews as well as in my home etc.  Which by the way, has experienced paranormal things by other members of my family (who are not at all religious).  These things did not occur before she came around.

I pray for this woman and did prior to posting on this website.  Fr. gave the best advice here and has cleared the matter up for me.  

In my situation, stemming from my OP, the girl I speak of had said she quit messing with the Occult.  However, she has also offered inconsistent statements on this and there are other aspects that I have not offered here.  Also, let's say she truly has quit the Occult.  Great, I pray for her that she does.  Until she completely abandons those practices, and returns to God in however she does, those negative spirits and demons that she attracted and attached will remain with her.  Simply quitting does not rid one of the darkness that follows.

Also, in respect to Plato and other Greek philosophers that numerous saints in Byzantium borrowed/used their methods and/or teachings.  Borrowing philosophy is one thing but worshiping Zeus is another.  So, to say "Oh we're all the same" or all religions are correct etc. (not that you used these exact words) is not helpful nor is it consistent with Orthodox teaching.  

Quite simply; if you are/were involved with the Occult/Satanism and see 'spirit animals' it is not from God.  Find me a priest who says otherwise.
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During one of their break-ups, he told me how he an encounter with her at college (when he was still enrolled) where she told him all about her new 'religion'.  One day, while sitting with them, she told me all about how she sees her 'spirit animal' and about some of her experiences.  It was one of the first times I had actually talked to her.  I think the last too.
A 'spirit animal' isn't exactly 'satanic'.

Uh...yeah it is?  Sorry, but if you are seeing "spirit animals" (of course, that's not what you're really seeing) then you're intimately connected to the Evil One. 

You're kidding me, right?  It's not like she saw a bunny run across the road and claimed it as her spirit animal.  Seeing panthers in PA..in your home...is not from God.  The people who do see these things are far from the light of God, by their own accord.
Spirit animals are a valued part of Native American spirituality. Each animal symbolizes a certain virtue, or trait. The panther, for instance, is known for his power and grace.

Now, I don't know what this girl is doing in order to "see" her spirit animal. As far as I know, she might simply be meditating in the woods. Does she invoke some demonic entity?
Sound slike delusional neo-pagan brain-washing to me. Unless she actually is clairvoyant in that sense.
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« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2010, 09:19:56 PM »

My nephew has been dating this girl on and off for a few years now.  A few months ago, I found out she actively engaged in Satanic or Occult rituals.  Although I've been told she doesn't anymore, I don't believe it.  I don't like to be around her as I get a very uncomfortable feeling.  She's around my younger nephews as well, whom I have had to step up and care for since my sister is going through... a mid-life crisis?  

This worries me.  While the nephew in question, who is 19, has always been a bit of a brat (quit school, never has worked a job, whines all the time), I've noticed his anger excel and has done some bizarre things as of late.  I've prayed for Christ to keep away all enemies of him and to protect us but she's not going away. Any advice?
Dude that happened to me. I knew this girl who was a witch, a Wiccan, and she told me that she won't stop anymore,from Italy. non smetterò mai she told me in Italian.
And she told me that she believed in the gods.
I just act amiably whenever I see her.
Besides dude we all had pagan ancestors. Are we gonna treat our ancestors badly cause they were pagans?
Yeah.. strange times.
These nature worshipers can't see how mother nature killed so many Haitians in Haiti, or left many homeless in Pakistan, Or how the modern religion is a shadow of its former self. In fact they don't even know how exactly the ancient pagans believed.
Pray, personally I think that orthodox girls are better than witches, because The orthodox girls have the concept of the Love of God, that witches don't, a very beautiful concept.
If I met my truly ancient (or more recent) ancestors who didn't know Christ, I would witness to them wouldn't you?
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« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2010, 09:23:29 PM »

It's difficult to pray for one who doesn't wish to be delivered.

Really? It isn't for me. It seems odd to me that you have that problem.
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« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2010, 04:55:52 PM »

Perhaps I misstated.  I do pray for her; not that how I pray is your concern.  What I meant is that if one deliberately does not want to be delivered from demons, then they won't be.  God gave us free will.  

I'm really happy that you are holier than I am.  What's that called when you approach a situation and essentially say "I'm better at praying than you are!". 

 
It's difficult to pray for one who doesn't wish to be delivered.

Really? It isn't for me. It seems odd to me that you have that problem.
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« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2010, 12:57:30 AM »

Perhaps I misstated.  I do pray for her; not that how I pray is your concern.  What I meant is that if one deliberately does not want to be delivered from demons, then they won't be.  God gave us free will.  

I'm really happy that you are holier than I am.  What's that called when you approach a situation and essentially say "I'm better at praying than you are!". 

 
It's difficult to pray for one who doesn't wish to be delivered.

Really? It isn't for me. It seems odd to me that you have that problem.

That was not my intention. I was more so trying to get at my suspicion that you are avoiding "praying for your enemies".
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