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Offline Theophilos78

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Re: Can and should I be baptized again?
« Reply #225 on: August 30, 2010, 02:40:56 PM »

LOL. Actually, in Arabic it is never written al Masih, always almasih, and never al rabb but always alrabb.


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Re: Can and should I be baptized again?
« Reply #226 on: August 30, 2010, 04:35:37 PM »

LOL. Actually, in Arabic it is never written al Masih, always almasih, and never al rabb but always alrabb.


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Re: Can and should I be baptized again?
« Reply #227 on: August 31, 2010, 01:27:22 AM »

2. The personal name of the Arabic moon-god, who was the primary deity of Mecca, appears to actually have been Hubal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubal  :-\
So no, you're acting as if "Allah" was the name that the Arabs used to refer to their moon-god. In fact it was Hubal. Allah is the name only of the deity typically ascribed to Islam. Any association of the two is based merely off of one archaeological site ascribed to Allah in which this one speculates it was actually Hubal.

Hubal was the equivalent of Baal in Mecca. Allah, on the other hand, was the name of another deity Meccan pagans worshipped.

Yes, this is true. However, you identified "Allah" as the moon-god, when in fact Hubal was the moon-god. "Allah" was actually the creator god in Arabic Paganism, something which the Qur'an itself testifies to.
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Re: Can and should I be baptized again?
« Reply #228 on: August 31, 2010, 01:27:22 AM »

No.

Why is that? ;D

Because Ra was a fundamentally Pagan deity and at that clearly not the deity which Christians adopted from Mosaic Judaism.
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Re: Can and should I be baptized again?
« Reply #229 on: August 31, 2010, 06:11:18 AM »
to the Church of Smyrna (8) (which IIRC, is where Theophilos now worships)

Is there an active Orthodox parish in Smyrna/Izmir now? It seemed to me that the last one had ended its activities in 1923... but then again, there are lots of Russians there now, so it might be one of the cities where the MP lends priests to the EP for ministering to them?

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=356263
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Re: Can and should I be baptized again?
« Reply #230 on: August 31, 2010, 06:47:21 AM »

Is there an active Orthodox parish in Smyrna/Izmir now? It seemed to me that the last one had ended its activities in 1923... but then again, there are lots of Russians there now, so it might be one of the cities where the MP lends priests to the EP for ministering to them?

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=356263

This is not the place where I worship though. The news talks about a renovated building that will function as a social and cultural center. The Church I attend for religious service is named Agia Fotini. I may have posted some pictures of it here at Easter. Here is a video clip I myself filmed there (very amateurish):  ;D

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x94y8l_the-ep-visiting-my-church_lifestyle

The building used to be a Protestant Dutch Church before it was handed over to the Greek Consulate and converted into a Greek Orthodox Church. The worshippers are mostly Greek, but at Easter we have many Orthodox faithful of Slavonic origin.
 
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Re: Can and should I be baptized again?
« Reply #231 on: August 31, 2010, 07:18:40 AM »
As my parents' friend says: Every time I go to Church, they sing "Christ is risen"!
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Re: Can and should I be baptized again?
« Reply #232 on: August 31, 2010, 11:13:01 AM »
Ahh, thrust a stereotype into the conversation to try and win points.  Old trick, old result - no dice.  I've seen fonts designed by parishioners, crafted with their own hands; no one said anything about having gold, silver, platinum, marble, etc. fonts.
Again, parishioners with the time, skill, and resources to do this are not in every parish. 
That is true, and no potential member of the Body of Christ should be penalized for that.
I agree. He should not be penalized with an uncanonical baptism by pouring.

You should know by now that pouring isn't "uncanonical," just not preferred.  It's been referenced in this thread before.

A nice solution I've seen here is that a more well parish or two build in a full size font for aduts (btw, there are building  codes to worry about), and let other parishes use the facilities as needed.  Btw, we have baptzied plenty in horse troughs. We have two coming up next month, IIRC.

I know of a number of cities where the parishes do this; it's a wonderful cooperation, and in most cases a great display of inter-Orthodox cooperation!
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Re: Can and should I be baptized again?
« Reply #233 on: August 31, 2010, 01:57:28 PM »
As my parents' friend says: Every time I go to Church, they sing "Christ is risen"!

 ;D

And someone could say something similar: "Every time I go to Church, they have the great blessing of the waters".
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