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« on: February 20, 2004, 07:18:33 PM »

Are there any Serbo-Croatian speakers here?
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2004, 09:52:56 AM »

I'm Serbian, it's the first language I learned.
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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2004, 02:19:54 PM »

I'm learning! I feel like "half a serb" not knowing Serbian.

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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2004, 02:50:12 PM »

I'd like to learn more of it, as it is a part of my heritage. For you native or well-versed speakers, how hard is it to learn the language?
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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2004, 02:53:30 PM »

I learned it with mother's milk, so it's not hard for me. But there are lots of noun cases to memorize in Serbian (and Czech). Verbs may not be so hard. But some pronunciation is hard (like the sound LJ - slurr those two letters and you get it; Serbs of course have troubles of their own pronouncing TH in English and Q etc). I'd say, a challenging language, but easier than Ancient Greek!
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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2004, 03:58:35 PM »

I'd say, a challenging language, but easier than Ancient Greek!

I'd say that leaves a whole lot of room  Cheesy  - most languages are easier that Attic Greek.

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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2004, 05:18:11 AM »

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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2004, 09:26:52 PM »

How much difference is there between the Serbian and Croatian dialects?  I know the Croats use the Latin alphabet, is there a lot other than that?
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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2004, 03:17:48 AM »

Serbo Croatian is basically the same language but it has regional dialects.......depending on where you are from.

I myself am ethnically Macedonian and can always understand the idea of a serbian converstation the gist of it I guess but there is certain regional serbian dialects that I have no clue as to what they are saying.......but I have learned to understand serbo croatian through my serbian/croatian friends.

The languages are all similar Serbian/Croatian/Bulgarian/Macedonian................but there are differences between all of them.
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2004, 05:10:46 AM »

I can do Bulgarian here....
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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2004, 10:13:57 AM »

How much difference is there between the Serbian and Croatian dialects?  I know the Croats use the Latin alphabet, is there a lot other than that?

Think of it this way, the difference is similiar to American English vs Irish English. We are able to understand one another for the most part but lose each other on certain sayings, words and idioms.

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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2004, 03:09:29 AM »

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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2004, 11:21:44 PM »

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   Are you ethnically Serbian, and if so, do you come from the old country?
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« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2004, 05:13:39 AM »

BS, I am bosnian serb, not a serbian, however, my parents come from Serbia, but I was born in Bosnia.
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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2004, 09:48:37 PM »

  My grandmother's people come from Serbian Dvor, in Croatia. How well do you speak the language?
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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2004, 02:38:01 AM »

I was born iz Tuzla, Bosnia. Lived there for 20 years. I had an A in Serbo-croatian. :-)
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« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2004, 05:36:37 PM »

Hi, Byz
I am writing from the old country, Belgrade namely. I think there is a Serbian language tutorial somewhere on the net. From the linguistic point of view, difference between Serbian and Croatian is similar to that of Irish and British English. Serbian has different dialects too. Grammar  might be a problem, there are seven cases. The easiest way to learn it is to acquire some knowledge and than practice with native speakers, maybe a church community nearby...
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« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2004, 06:26:05 PM »

   Mina,

   Hvala lijepo! If you could provid eme with that link (if you can locate it), I would be most thankful.
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« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2004, 04:51:58 AM »

Dear Byz,
the first URL provides a number of links on learning Serbian.
 
http://www.languages-on-the-web.com/links/link-serbian.htm
http://www.speakserbian.com/

and here is a site in English on Belgrade

http://www.beograd.org.yu/english/index.htm

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« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2006, 10:20:31 AM »

I know Croatian and Macedonian,  I am Macedonian.
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« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2006, 06:52:05 AM »

I know Croatian and Macedonian,  I am Macedonian.

Znate hrvatski i makedonski ali ne znate srpski? lol cudno.
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« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2006, 12:07:21 PM »

Znate hrvatski i makedonski ali ne znate srpski? lol cudno.

Nije nista cudno kad si iz makedonije  Grin Tongue
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« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2006, 02:52:19 PM »

Nemojte tako,
Covek je verovatno neki Grk iz Soluna (Egejska Makedonija, Grcka).
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« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2006, 07:52:27 PM »

Covek je verovatno neki Grk iz Soluna (Egejska Makedonija, Grcka).

Grk is Egeske Makedonije, a prica Hrvatski i Makedonski, sad si me zbunio. Huh
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« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2007, 06:20:32 PM »

I have a question for anyone who attends a Serbian Orthodox Church. My husband and I wonder how a Serbian service differs from the Russian or Greek services (other than language issues of course). Also, both the Greek and OCA (but especially the OCA)churches are having some trouble with their financial accountability and possible mishandling of funds. Can anyone tell us about the Serbian diocese and if they know them to be upright and honest in the financial handling of parish and diocesan funds? We would like to commit to a church whose hierarchs can be trusted. Don't mean to be disrespectful-just need some info.
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« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2007, 06:27:44 PM »

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forgot to mention that my husband is 1/2 Serbian but he doesn't speak it. I personally have a deep burden for the suffering of our Orthodox brothers and sisters there. For our children and grandchildren's sake also we pray for the Serbs-for their strength and safety and that they would find favor with all authority so that they could live in peace. We visited a Serbian priest once a few years ago, and he was nice but the secretary and other serbians were not so friendly. They didn't seem to think we should attend if we didn't speak the language. :'(
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« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2007, 11:56:09 AM »

I think Serb1389 is best equipped to answer your question.  He is a seminary student whose father is a SOC priest.

From a personal perspective, I have never heard of any financial problems/irregularities within the Church, but to be totally honest, even if they did exist, I wouldn't know of them (as I have no interest in the Church administration).

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We visited a Serbian priest once a few years ago, and he was nice but the secretary and other serbians were not so friendly. They didn't seem to think we should attend if we didn't speak the language.

This was terribly upsetting to read.  I would tell you, whoever said this to you is 100% ignorant and 100% wrong.  Can I ask you where you live?  Maybe I can recommend a good SOC.

About the language...

My parish is predominantly immigrant Serb.  Liturgy is in Slavonic.  After Liturgy all events in the basement hall are 100% Serbian.  Even though I am ethnically Serbian, I am not fluent and I think it is more accurate to say I do not speak "Serbian proper".  Serb1389 likes to call my dialect "village tongue" or some derivative thereof.  Grin 

I primarily speak English at Church and only speak Serbian if I'm talking to an elderly person.  On occasion, my wife and I feel a bit like outsiders, but our priest does a good job at making us feel welcome.  We have a weekly newsletter and he knows to give us ours, in English.  At the end of the day, my reason for being at Liturgy transcends language, so nobody could keep me away with a silly comment (like the one said to you).

I'd remind anyone who has that attitude that you are going to an ORTHODOX CHURCH, not a SERBIAN Church.

In terms of differences... 

It is tough to say.  I am at my 5th Serbian parish (we've moved a lot) and there are some differences between each parish (especially between the ones in Canada and the ones in the USA).  One obvious difference you should be aware of is the celebration of Slava.

If your husband is 1/2 Serb, than he has a Slava.  ONLY in a SOC will you find a Slava celebration.  This is one reason most Serbs don't stray from the SOC and would obviously be a prerequisite for any Orthodox union in North America.
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« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2007, 12:21:26 PM »

Serbs seem to take a little bit of time to warm up to an 'outsider'.  Once they do, they are some of the most fun, hilarious people around (and this is coming from an Italian  Tongue ).  I am marrying a 100% Serb (which has helped in the whole welcoming at the Church), but geographically we are a bit apart, so it is easier for me to convert and attend a church closer by for now.  So I am 'on my own' if you will, unless one of us is able to head to the others Church.  The Priests have been amazing and warm, you can see how much they care when they try their best with English even when it is not their mother tongue.  And well, my Serbian reads like a tourist help book "Hello", "Thank you", "Where is the toilet?"  Tongue.  Don't let some people turn you off the Church by their comments.  Like SouthSerb99 said, it is an Orthodox Church.
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« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2007, 01:02:31 PM »

I have a question for anyone who attends a Serbian Orthodox Church. My husband and I wonder how a Serbian service differs from the Russian or Greek services (other than language issues of course). Also, both the Greek and OCA (but especially the OCA)churches are having some trouble with their financial accountability and possible mishandling of funds. Can anyone tell us about the Serbian diocese and if they know them to be upright and honest in the financial handling of parish and diocesan funds? We would like to commit to a church whose hierarchs can be trusted. Don't mean to be disrespectful-just need some info.
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I have some information about this, but i'm not at liberty to say online.  If you PM me, i'll let you know what's up. 

We are pretty good about the money, but there are always parishes that have problems.  Some bishops are better than others, etc., etc., etc., so just PM me and i'll talk to you about it in detail, as much as I can. 


Also, for those who are interested, Rosseta Stone is amazing for any language and I highly recomend it.  It can help with pronunciation as well as grammar. 

In terms of dialects, what people have said above is pretty accurate.  There are many dialects with their own nuiances so you just have to get used to them.  Bosnian people tend to put "j" in their words whereas people from central Serbia do not.  Montenegrans have their own tendancies as do people from Krajina (Serbs in Croatia).  Croatians themselves have their own way of speaking, but is so close to Serbian that they just combined it into one language = Serbo-Croatian. 

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« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2007, 05:31:34 AM »

My parish is predominantly immigrant Serb.  Liturgy is in Slavonic.  After Liturgy all events in the basement hall are 100% Serbian.  Even though I am ethnically Serbian, I am not fluent and I think it is more accurate to say I do not speak "Serbian proper".  Serb1389 likes to call my dialect "village tongue" or some derivative thereof.  Grin 

Yet one more thing we have in common! It sounds like my Romanian which my wife describes as 'ca un taran moldovenesc' (like a Moldovan peasant - which is ironic given that were it not for her education, she would be a Moldovan peasant herself). I do pretty much the same as you (with respect to English speaking at church), but one of the ways our priest gets me involved is to have me read Romanian in church - nerve wracking to say the least.

And before anyone says this post is off topic, it isn't completely. Romanian may not be slav but it is a Balkan language (as are Aromanian and Megleno-Romanian).

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« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2007, 08:09:16 AM »

Hi! I'm a native Serbian speaker FROM the old country, and still IN the old country.  Smiley

Serbian is difficult. Suffice it to say that I choose to write my papers in English because I'm more secure in it, and it's only a language I started learning at school. I really am a good speaker (and 'writer' Tongue) of Serbian, it's just so 'slippery' at times, and sometimes you just can't be 100% certain what you wrote/said is correct.

I'm happy to help those who'd still like to learn it!  Grin Just PM me.
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« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2007, 09:56:00 AM »

I am Croatian,living in Austria,studying at English university.So I speak 3 languages :-)Anyone else from Austria?
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« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2007, 07:16:17 PM »

i used to live in austria.  study abroad program...that was 7 years ago
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« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2007, 08:04:34 PM »

Hello,

Ja sam novozelandjanin irskog porekla i govorim srpski posto sam bio mladi monah u Srbiji u manastiru Zica (dok je bio Tito jos ziv.)

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Pomozi Bozi da se Srbi sloze !! God bless you all.
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« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2011, 04:54:11 PM »

gde ste lopate... stigo ugalj...

 here is a nice slang phrase for all u serbian language-lovers... high time u started learning the slang terms... greetings from Serbia   Cool

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« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2011, 08:43:36 PM »


I don't get the slang.......gde ste lopate... stigo ugalj...
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gde ste lopate... stigo ugalj...

 here is a nice slang phrase for all u serbian language-lovers... high time u started learning the slang terms... greetings from Serbia   Cool

by the way- this forum lacks smileys

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« Reply #37 on: April 13, 2011, 02:33:15 AM »

you usually say this when coming to a party ... it has the meaning of I have arrived ... and the purpose is to impress the ladies  Grin
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« Reply #38 on: April 13, 2011, 04:39:01 AM »

you usually say this when coming to a party ... it has the meaning of I have arrived ... and the purpose is to impress the ladies  Grin

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That Interesting ,in english it loses the inpressing part  ...  Reading it and translating it into english/and reading it in  serbian  does make sense to me,  only when read literally and not using it as slang....As slang it  goes way over my head.......  Grin
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« Reply #39 on: April 13, 2011, 05:15:14 AM »

you usually say this when coming to a party ... it has the meaning of I have arrived ... and the purpose is to impress the ladies  Grin



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you usually say this when coming to a party ... it has the meaning of I have arrived ... and the purpose is to impress the ladies  Grin

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« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2011, 09:48:00 AM »

My family and I am going to Croatia this summer and I hope to find an orthodox church somewhere. We are supposed to camp in istria near a city named Pula. I would like to ask how you adress an orthodox priest in serbian ( If I am not mistaken most of the orthodox churches in Croatia are serbian but you may correct me if I am wrong Smiley)
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« Reply #42 on: April 13, 2011, 12:37:22 PM »








The last time i read something about Croatia and orthodoxy ,was that Croatia wants to establish a independent Croatian orthodox church.....For the Croatia orthodox or former Serbs that are considered Croatians now.....
i read about it here on this forum somewhere.....

There is a eastern Catholic Croatian church in Croatia, how big it is not sure.......






My family and I am going to Croatia this summer and I hope to find an orthodox church somewhere. We are supposed to camp in istria near a city named Pula. I would like to ask how you adress an orthodox priest in serbian ( If I am not mistaken most of the orthodox churches in Croatia are serbian but you may correct me if I am wrong Smiley)
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« Reply #43 on: April 13, 2011, 12:40:02 PM »

My family and I am going to Croatia this summer and I hope to find an orthodox church somewhere. We are supposed to camp in istria near a city named Pula. I would like to ask how you adress an orthodox priest in serbian ( If I am not mistaken most of the orthodox churches in Croatia are serbian but you may correct me if I am wrong Smiley)

Actually most of Croatia is Roman Catholic, and the croatian people are Roman Catholic.  There are actually only a couple of orthodox churches in Croatia, so you really have to look to find an orthodox church there.  http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=Ca0Z4y4faey6FRSorAId-zLTACltezMJ3tJ8RzENWE57Okoycg&q=pravoslavna+crkva+loc:+Pula,+Croatia&aq=&sll=44.835422,13.697205&sspn=0.533669,1.705627&gl=us&ie=UTF8&hq=pravoslavna+crkva&hnear=&ll=45.359865,14.441528&spn=1.05758,3.411255&z=9&iwloc=A&cid=7005098522247345934

This looks like it's the closest orthodox church to where you will be.  
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« Reply #44 on: April 13, 2011, 12:54:40 PM »

My family and I am going to Croatia this summer and I hope to find an orthodox church somewhere. We are supposed to camp in istria near a city named Pula. I would like to ask how you adress an orthodox priest in serbian ( If I am not mistaken most of the orthodox churches in Croatia are serbian but you may correct me if I am wrong Smiley)

Actually most of Croatia is Roman Catholic, and the croatian people are Roman Catholic.  There are actually only a couple of orthodox churches in Croatia, so you really have to look to find an orthodox church there.  http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=Ca0Z4y4faey6FRSorAId-zLTACltezMJ3tJ8RzENWE57Okoycg&q=pravoslavna+crkva+loc:+Pula,+Croatia&aq=&sll=44.835422,13.697205&sspn=0.533669,1.705627&gl=us&ie=UTF8&hq=pravoslavna+crkva&hnear=&ll=45.359865,14.441528&spn=1.05758,3.411255&z=9&iwloc=A&cid=7005098522247345934

This looks like it's the closest orthodox church to where you will be.  
Thank you for the link Smiley I am aware that most of Croatia is catholic and I am not sure if I will even be able to find a church. But if there is an orthodox church in Pula I will will find it Wink
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