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Re: "Lay Monasticism", "Crazy Convertisim", being an Orthodox Christian
« Reply #45 on: September 19, 2010, 09:43:59 PM »
Trevor, I just wanted to let you know how impressed I am by your maturity at your age. I can't even imagine having accepted the Orthodox faith as a teenager. Know that many doubts and trials will come, but please never give up on your Orthodox faith. It is the most precious treasure in all of the world, because it is the faith that holds the universe together.
thanks, I appreciate that.  my biggest fear is losing my Orthodox Faith, so I'll guard it with my life, with the help of God and the Saints! ;)    It is deffinatly hard, being a teenager and trying to uphold the values of an Orthodox Christian.  I remember the words of my godfather, the night I asked him to assume the role   "When you become Orthodox, life gets harder, but the rewards are sweeter".

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Re: "Lay Monasticism", "Crazy Convertisim", being an Orthodox Christian
« Reply #46 on: September 19, 2010, 09:51:04 PM »
I think that, when living in a secular environment, everyone's situation is a bit different.  for me, a high school student in 21st century America, I'm surrounded (and am myself) with students trying to find who they are, while still holding on to that comforting immiturity that is our childhood.  in my environment, this is what I find most spiritually helpful in living as an Orthodox Christian teenager:

-practice a prayer rule before school(morning prayers) snd before bed
-go to Liturgy and Vespers weekly
-attend all holy week and presanctified liturges when lent comes
-read Orthodox literature as often as possible
-dress modestly as possible
-do not use profanity..."don't say anything you wouldn't want to say in front of your priest".
-act with piety
-read and study the scriptures as much as possible

this is just the base of how I try to live.  of corse, once I have a job and am in colleage, these may change, but for now, this is what I aim for.

If you go to college, join OCF! This is very important......for it's very easy to become an atheist while in college. I know it's hard in highschool, but you will have more of that hardness in college.

I had a christian club to go to while in highschool, and I went to alot of campus ministries in college. OCF is a blessing for Orthodox college students! It will be easier to keep your faith while in OCF.

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Re: "Lay Monasticism", "Crazy Convertisim", being an Orthodox Christian
« Reply #47 on: September 19, 2010, 09:51:56 PM »
I think that, when living in a secular environment, everyone's situation is a bit different.  for me, a high school student in 21st century America, I'm surrounded (and am myself) with students trying to find who they are, while still holding on to that comforting immiturity that is our childhood.  in my environment, this is what I find most spiritually helpful in living as an Orthodox Christian teenager:

-practice a prayer rule before school(morning prayers) snd before bed
-go to Liturgy and Vespers weekly
-attend all holy week and presanctified liturges when lent comes
-read Orthodox literature as often as possible
-dress modestly as possible
-do not use profanity..."don't say anything you wouldn't want to say in front of your priest".
-act with piety
-read and study the scriptures as much as possible

this is just the base of how I try to live.  of corse, once I have a job and am in colleage, these may change, but for now, this is what I aim for.

If you go to college, join OCF! This is very important.
what's "OCF"?

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Re: "Lay Monasticism", "Crazy Convertisim", being an Orthodox Christian
« Reply #48 on: September 19, 2010, 09:55:28 PM »
The Orthodox Christian Fellowship, a students' organization.  :)

http://www.ocf.net

Wish I had known about them when I was in school.  :angel:

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« Reply #49 on: September 19, 2010, 09:55:55 PM »
I think that, when living in a secular environment, everyone's situation is a bit different.  for me, a high school student in 21st century America, I'm surrounded (and am myself) with students trying to find who they are, while still holding on to that comforting immiturity that is our childhood.  in my environment, this is what I find most spiritually helpful in living as an Orthodox Christian teenager:

-practice a prayer rule before school(morning prayers) snd before bed
-go to Liturgy and Vespers weekly
-attend all holy week and presanctified liturges when lent comes
-read Orthodox literature as often as possible
-dress modestly as possible
-do not use profanity..."don't say anything you wouldn't want to say in front of your priest".
-act with piety
-read and study the scriptures as much as possible

this is just the base of how I try to live.  of corse, once I have a job and am in colleage, these may change, but for now, this is what I aim for.

If you go to college, join OCF! This is very important.
what's "OCF"?

http://orthodoxwiki.org/Orthodox_Christian_Fellowship (OCF)
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« Reply #50 on: September 19, 2010, 11:23:02 PM »
From an interview with Abbot Seraphim (Voepel)of Holy Cross Monastery in West Virginia.

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- One would have to be spiritually blind not to notice that the world around us is rapidly spiraling out of control. Secularism, modernism, and liberalism are eating away at the Christian roots of this great nation and many of us find ourselves feeling hopeless. Turn on any news channel and you will see that there is a sort of hidden persecution of Christians. The Evil one is clever in his attacks on those who confess Christ, and although we rarely see outright violence, a battle is most certainly raging on. We find it increasingly difficult to pray because the troubles of this world weigh greatly on the souls of Orthodox Christians. After spending several days in this holy place, one does not wish to return to the world, because the soul yearns to be with God and it is difficult to maintain a relationship with Christ in the secular world. What advice do you give departing pilgrims upon their return to the world? Is it possible to maintain a monastic spirit while living in the secular world?

What you are saying appears to be sadly true; the contemporary world has become hostile to true Christian living. We feel this even within the monastery. Sincere modern Christians must seek refuge in prayer, both liturgical and private. There is no substitute for this. If we are not praying every day from our heart, then we will be defeated. Sometimes modern Christians think that the spiritual life is just another self-help program they can try out; this is absolutely untrue. The Orthodox spiritual life is about a relationship with the God-man Jesus Christ, the Creator of all things. The spiritual life is about entering into His presence and with humility and repentance asking His mercy and guidance. Without this, we cannot have the strength or wisdom to resist the powerfully seductive secular world around us.

-Sometimes as Orthodox Christians, we feel that we are not of this world and that we are not relevant to it. How should we react to the changes that are happening around us, specifically the various and increasingly successful liberal and progressive movements, without losing ourselves and our inner spiritual peace?

I understand and share in your concern, but the only answer is the one St. Seraphim of Sarov gave: "Acquire the peace of God in your heart and a thousand souls around you will be saved." You as an individual Orthodox Christian cannot change the course of the world, but you can change yourself. It is, in fact, easier to think about changing the world than to try to change ourselves. If we find the world around us increasingly filled with hatred, then we must try to love; if we find the world running after material goods and pleasure, then we must try to live a simpler life; if we find the world has become preoccupied with carnal things, then we must try to be pure and chaste.

The inner peace that Christ gives us is not the peace of the world. It is not dependent upon proper social conditions or environmental factors. The early Christians would walk into the arena peacefully singing hymns as the lions attacked them. In the lives of the early martyrs, we read over and over again how bystanders and even Roman soldiers were converted by witnessing the firm faith and peaceful resolve of these early martyrs.

Full interview can be read Here: http://eadiocese.org/News/2010/09/asv.en.htm

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« Reply #51 on: September 25, 2010, 11:31:02 AM »
Dear Trevor,

I would add to your list a few things to consider in addition to your previously-listed intentions:

- seek to be patient, polite and forgiving of all those you meet, even if they hate you.
- don't immediately react to being offended.  That means curbing your emotions and tempering your affect with an unemotional strategy of furthering God's will.
- seek to manifest the virtues (humility, respect, moderation, responsibility, gratitude, generosity and compassion) in all your relationships, which is only possible with faith.
- be honest and stand up for the truth in love.
- resist evil and do not be passive when you see evil in your presence.
- seek guidance from those who are more advanced, not just those who agree with you.

Just a few more concepts to think about incorporating into your list.

Don't be too hard on yourself if you stumble and fall, because we all do (particularly at your age).  Also, don't forget to have some fun once in a while (preferably the kind that isn't illegal or immoral, which you will find in the company of good people).

God bless you and keep you on the right path.



I think that, when living in a secular environment, everyone's situation is a bit different.  for me, a high school student in 21st century America, I'm surrounded (and am myself) with students trying to find who they are, while still holding on to that comforting immiturity that is our childhood.  in my environment, this is what I find most spiritually helpful in living as an Orthodox Christian teenager:

-practice a prayer rule before school(morning prayers) snd before bed
-go to Liturgy and Vespers weekly
-attend all holy week and presanctified liturges when lent comes
-read Orthodox literature as often as possible
-dress modestly as possible
-do not use profanity..."don't say anything you wouldn't want to say in front of your priest".
-act with piety
-read and study the scriptures as much as possible

this is just the base of how I try to live.  of corse, once I have a job and am in colleage, these may change, but for now, this is what I aim for.
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Re: "Lay Monasticism", "Crazy Convertisim", being an Orthodox Christian
« Reply #52 on: September 25, 2010, 01:29:17 PM »
Perhaps we should show the converts what real cradle Orthodox look like.

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« Reply #53 on: September 25, 2010, 01:31:44 PM »

Look at her, her head is not covered! Apostate!
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« Reply #54 on: September 25, 2010, 04:32:01 PM »
synLeszka, I'm having trouble understanding what you hope to communicate with the above photos and the satire.  Could you please explain this to me?
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« Reply #55 on: September 25, 2010, 04:52:35 PM »
As for myself, I whole-heartedly approve of these photos. More photos! More photos!  ;D
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« Reply #56 on: September 25, 2010, 04:54:27 PM »
As for myself, I whole-heartedly approve of these photos. More photos! More photos!  ;D
I can't agree with this. She looks too plain!

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« Reply #57 on: September 25, 2010, 04:55:35 PM »
**rolls eyes**

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« Reply #58 on: September 25, 2010, 05:07:39 PM »
As for myself, I whole-heartedly approve of these photos. More photos! More photos!  ;D
Don't encourage him. ::)
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« Reply #59 on: September 25, 2010, 05:07:48 PM »
**rolls eyes**

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« Reply #60 on: September 25, 2010, 05:16:33 PM »
**rolls eyes**

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« Reply #61 on: September 25, 2010, 05:17:00 PM »
As for myself, I whole-heartedly approve of these photos. More photos! More photos!  ;D
Don't encourage him. ::)

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« Reply #62 on: September 25, 2010, 06:08:34 PM »
Doesn't a lot of this come from what I am starting to call "the self absorbsion of the newly chrismated". I've noticed it at my parish...about five minutes reverencing an Ikon while people stand in line waiting..telling cradles what they are doing wrong...wanting longer services while outside the hungry are still hungry and the homeless are still homeless..
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« Reply #63 on: September 25, 2010, 07:27:17 PM »
Doesn't a lot of this come from what I am starting to call "the self absorbsion of the newly chrismated". I've noticed it at my parish...about five minutes reverencing an Ikon while people stand in line waiting..telling cradles what they are doing wrong...wanting longer services while outside the hungry are still hungry and the homeless are still homeless..

(shrugs) I don't do those things. Then again, I haven't been chrismated yet. Am I supposed to turn into an awful person or something?  ???  :-\

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« Reply #64 on: September 25, 2010, 07:40:47 PM »
Doesn't a lot of this come from what I am starting to call "the self absorbsion of the newly chrismated". I've noticed it at my parish...about five minutes reverencing an Ikon while people stand in line waiting..telling cradles what they are doing wrong...wanting longer services while outside the hungry are still hungry and the homeless are still homeless..

(shrugs) I don't do those things. Then again, I haven't been chrismated yet. Am I supposed to turn into an awful person or something?  ???  :-\

Don't worry about it. It's probably true that a disproportionate number of new converts are more fervent and have exaggerated ideas and actions for a while after conversion. However, when you look at who is really behind things that run-of-the-mill Orthodox consider to be "crazy," converts certainly haven't cornered the market.
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« Reply #65 on: September 25, 2010, 07:59:45 PM »
Thank you.

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« Reply #66 on: September 25, 2010, 11:54:37 PM »
National politics play a strong role in the state controlled mother churches. American converts entiring the church is said to "dilute" the ties to the mother country. There is a ultra-nationalist sect within many of the churches which condemn and discourage converts as going against the political interests of the mother country, especially Protestant converts. Disregard what these politicos say as they are clearly placing secular interests above God. Unfortunately, they have becoming increasingly loud in the past few years as they become even more marginalized in the American Orthodox Churches, even to the extent of calling on Papal authority for their Bishops to try and maintain their ultra-nationalist interests.

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« Reply #67 on: September 26, 2010, 06:58:36 AM »
National politics play a strong role in the state controlled mother churches. American converts entiring the church is said to "dilute" the ties to the mother country. There is a ultra-nationalist sect within many of the churches which condemn and discourage converts as going against the political interests of the mother country, especially Protestant converts. Disregard what these politicos say as they are clearly placing secular interests above God. Unfortunately, they have becoming increasingly loud in the past few years as they become even more marginalized in the American Orthodox Churches, even to the extent of calling on Papal authority for their Bishops to try and maintain their ultra-nationalist interests.
I don't know about you, but many, MANY americans are ethnically European.

I don't see the issue, then. It wasn't the American's choice to be born here.

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« Reply #68 on: February 21, 2011, 05:37:48 PM »
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Yes, and I think it is a matter of attitude.  I know what you mean about modesty.  I've ridden out the latest mini skirt craze, continuing to wear skirts well below the knee, but I haven't run into people accusing me of super-correctness.  Dowdiness, yes, but not super-correctness.     I think it is just attitude

 :) However, I don't believe dressing modestly needs to be dowdy! We can do it with flare and style too!

Something to strive toward.   :)

Actually, I've been hearing that this fall the fashions will be a little more modest.  The micro minis are on their way out, thank goodness.  I'm tired of buying dresses and then wearing them as blouses.  

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It's ladylike and feminine, but flexible enough for you to make it boho, minimal, or glamorous.

http://www.fabsugar.com.au/2011-Fall-New-York-Fashion-Week-Roundup-Top-15-Trends-14302646?page=0,0,0

Knowing our beloved Rosehip, this is probably due to her intercession.   :)   I really miss her.  I would have loved hearing her comments on this wonderful and sensible turn in fashion.

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« Reply #69 on: February 22, 2011, 01:35:18 AM »
I've notice Rosehip hasn't been posting since I've been back online. (my comp bit the dust back in Aug and only recently have replaced it)  Anyone know why?   

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« Reply #70 on: February 22, 2011, 01:39:18 AM »
I've notice Rosehip hasn't been posting since I've been back online. (my comp bit the dust back in Aug and only recently have replaced it)  Anyone know why?   

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,32244.0.html
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« Reply #71 on: February 22, 2011, 06:33:48 AM »
I was wondering where Fr. Peter has been also...
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« Reply #72 on: February 22, 2011, 02:55:59 PM »
I've notice Rosehip hasn't been posting since I've been back online. (my comp bit the dust back in Aug and only recently have replaced it)  Anyone know why?   

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,32244.0.html

I don't know what to say.  I appreciate the link. Dang!

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« Reply #73 on: February 22, 2011, 03:27:00 PM »
I've notice Rosehip hasn't been posting since I've been back online. (my comp bit the dust back in Aug and only recently have replaced it)  Anyone know why?   

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,32244.0.html

I don't know what to say.  I appreciate the link. Dang!
I agree.  may her memory be eternal!