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« Reply #45 on: July 29, 2011, 06:08:15 PM »

I would love everybody goes to Heaven.

Not understanding there is a problem you don't pray for it. For example you can not help Romano catholicism because you don't believe to be a problem.
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« Reply #46 on: July 29, 2011, 06:38:14 PM »

My Theophany water from this year had to be thrown out because it got so full of bacteria over time. So my church failed at the Holy Water challenge and it wasn't restored to some Edenic/paradisiacal state.
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« Reply #47 on: July 29, 2011, 07:25:16 PM »

My Theophany water from this year had to be thrown out because it got so full of bacteria over time. So my church failed at the Holy Water challenge and it wasn't restored to some Edenic/paradisiacal state.
Hmmmm.  Aren't you on the Old Calendar?  And didn't you have to be (re)baptised?
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« Reply #48 on: July 29, 2011, 07:27:06 PM »

My Theophany water from this year had to be thrown out because it got so full of bacteria over time. So my church failed at the Holy Water challenge and it wasn't restored to some Edenic/paradisiacal state.

And meanwhile, I found a bottle of our heterodox EC water still lookin' good several months after Pascha.

In fact, I just used it to water my cherry tomatoes.  Mmm! Cool

(Of course, I may have mixed it with the holy water we got from the local OCA church ... perhaps that mitigated the eeevill ...  Grin )
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« Reply #49 on: July 30, 2011, 12:19:48 AM »

My Theophany water from this year had to be thrown out because it got so full of bacteria over time. So my church failed at the Holy Water challenge and it wasn't restored to some Edenic/paradisiacal state.
Hmmmm.  Aren't you on the Old Calendar?  And didn't you have to be (re)baptised?

Yep, but I prefer the New Calendar actually. Funny situation.

Do you seriously think that fact has something to do with it? I hope not...
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« Reply #50 on: July 30, 2011, 12:42:28 AM »

My Theophany water from this year had to be thrown out because it got so full of bacteria over time. So my church failed at the Holy Water challenge and it wasn't restored to some Edenic/paradisiacal state.
Hmmmm.  Aren't you on the Old Calendar?  And didn't you have to be (re)baptised?

Yep, but I prefer the New Calendar actually. Funny situation.

Do you seriously think that fact has something to do with it? I hope not...
LOL. No, not at all. But if the facts were reversed, that would be the first "a-HA!" of an Old Calendarist.  In fact, is was the plethora of Old Calendar miracles stories that made me think their position had no basis in the first place.
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« Reply #51 on: July 30, 2011, 01:12:17 AM »

On a serious level, I do have to admit that I was really disappointed by this happening because I really did believe it based on what I had read; that the water is restored. Pouring it into the garden was a sad moment for me because I could tell it was no longer safe to drink. Got me wondering what else was just in my head.
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« Reply #52 on: July 30, 2011, 01:30:41 AM »

On a serious level, I do have to admit that I was really disappointed by this happening because I really did believe it based on what I had read; that the water is restored. Pouring it into the garden was a sad moment for me because I could tell it was no longer safe to drink. Got me wondering what else was just in my head.
Well, not to rub it in, but I've had Holy Water which kept for years and years.  That could be, however, because I didn't put my Faith in claims about it not spoiling.
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« Reply #53 on: July 30, 2011, 09:29:38 AM »

Can you give us some examples of what you mean?

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Prayer of Absolution
God, the Father of mercies, through the death and resurrection of His Son
has reconciled the world to Himself and sent the Holy Spirit among us
for the forgiveness of sins;
Through the ministry of the Church may God give you pardon and peace,
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God, the Father of mercies, through the death and resurrection of His Son
has reconciled the world to Himself and sent the Holy Spirit among us
for the forgiveness of sins;
Through the ministry of the Church may God give you pardon and peace,
and I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit..

So instead of saying above prayer the priest shortens it to just something like "I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"...

Does that help?
Just for the record, that is a valid ROman form of absolution. THat one sentence is the bare bones, the absolution minium that the priest needs to say for validity.
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« Reply #54 on: July 30, 2011, 09:49:34 AM »

no, it is not common for the Orthodox to have concerns with valid confessions, DL, etc.
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