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« on: July 23, 2010, 08:45:56 PM »

Apparenly public displays of religious beleif are on the verge of becoming illegal in California.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default.aspx?id=1065954



Arguments will be heard today in a controversial free-speech case in Roseville, California, that has reached the state Court of Appeals. (See earlier story)
 


The incident took place in 2007 when Matthew Snatchko, a local youth minister, spoke to two shoppers at Roseville Galleria.



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« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2010, 08:53:12 PM »

Apparenly public displays of religious beleif are on the verge of becoming illegal in California.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default.aspx?id=1065954



Arguments will be heard today in a controversial free-speech case in Roseville, California, that has reached the state Court of Appeals. (See earlier story)
 


The incident took place in 2007 when Matthew Snatchko, a local youth minister, spoke to two shoppers at Roseville Galleria.



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I think we should sue the mess out of any company, city, state or school that tries to stop our freedom of expression! I can't wait till something like this happens to me! I'm gonna sue like crazy!

He should sue for a few million! That should scare the crap out of that company!












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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2010, 02:45:23 PM »

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Another rule bars wearing any clothing that displays religious or political messages.

So a priest cannot go shopping there I guess? Or Muslim women? Or someone who wears a cross has to hide it while in the mall since the Cross carries a religious message? Things are getting pretty ridiculous in this country nowadays.
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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2010, 03:08:55 PM »


Oh my!

That's terrible.  So, what if you had a logo on your T-Shirt?  What if it said "God bless the USA?"  Would that be banned, as well?

You know I was upset this morning,....because my city has taken the no-texting-while-driving law a bit further. We can't read, groom, text, dial, answer the phone, or EAT.  While it all makes sense...and one should always be conscious of safety while driving....  you could now be pulled over for stuffing a french fry in your mouth, or taking a sip of water. 

However, after reading the above article...I can see that it can always be worse!   Wink
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2010, 05:45:24 PM »

What about Mennonite/Amish women, who wear long, modest dresses and headcoverings?
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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2010, 07:48:03 PM »

Malls are private property. While proselytizing on public land is permitted, that freedom doesn't extend to land owned by some corporation.
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2010, 12:23:29 PM »


Oh my!

That's terrible.  So, what if you had a logo on your T-Shirt? 


An Orthodox T-shirt which has appeared in Russia.

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"The latest fashion craze among our extreme right wing brethren in Russia is a t-shirt decorated with skulls, knives and the cross, carrying the slogan "Orthodoxy or Death!" A Russian court is currently deciding whether the t-shirts are in fact illegal, so get yours while you can! As modelled by Santa's evil twin (above)...." (Read more at the link above.)
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2010, 05:20:12 PM »

That Jolly Roger is just awful.
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2010, 06:09:18 PM »


Oh my!

That's terrible.  So, what if you had a logo on your T-Shirt?  What if it said "God bless the USA?"  Would that be banned, as well?

You know I was upset this morning,....because my city has taken the no-texting-while-driving law a bit further. We can't read, groom, text, dial, answer the phone, or EAT.  While it all makes sense...and one should always be conscious of safety while driving....  you could now be pulled over for stuffing a french fry in your mouth, or taking a sip of water. 

However, after reading the above article...I can see that it can always be worse!   Wink

Wait a minute...you can't eat while driving???  Where is this?!?!?!
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2010, 06:35:34 PM »

Malls are private property. While proselytizing on public land is permitted, that freedom doesn't extend to land owned by some corporation.

What is the point of having free speech if you lose it the minute you're on "private property"?

With the current trend toward privatizing everything, i.e., corporate ownership of everything, where will my freedom of speech count? What's the use of free republican gov't when most of my life is lived under state-sanctioned but privately owned tyrannies? Peasants living on a medieval lord's manor had it better lol

Your reasoning is the same Rand Paul applies against the Civil Rights Act.

I am for private property and individual/family rights, but only insofar as they serve as a bulwark against gov't tyranny. When private ownership itself becomes tyrannical, it's not serving its purpose. Privacy is a means to an end, freedom, not an end in itself. That's why slavery and discrimination are illegal. People shouldn't be able to abuse the freedom to own things in private to take away the freedom of others.
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2010, 06:44:46 PM »


Oh my!

That's terrible.  So, what if you had a logo on your T-Shirt?  What if it said "God bless the USA?"  Would that be banned, as well?

You know I was upset this morning,....because my city has taken the no-texting-while-driving law a bit further. We can't read, groom, text, dial, answer the phone, or EAT.  While it all makes sense...and one should always be conscious of safety while driving....  you could now be pulled over for stuffing a french fry in your mouth, or taking a sip of water. 

However, after reading the above article...I can see that it can always be worse!   Wink

Wait a minute...you can't eat while driving???  Where is this?!?!?!

Suburb of Detroit, MI, USA.

No eating...no drinking....no smoking...no dialing phone....no nothing....two hands (and two thumbs) on steering wheel until you exit the city limits.  I truly wonder if it will make a difference, or if it is just a way to give out citations and for the city to make money.  It's my own city...and I actually feel nervous driving through it.  I had bought a cup of coffee....but, was afraid to sip it until I left the city.  I'm almost worried about laying my left arm on the open window as I am driving...as it might make it seem I am being careless.  What if you had an itch...I wonder if I would be stopped for scratching my head.

I'm all for being safe, but, ....





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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2010, 07:04:29 PM »


Oh my!

That's terrible.  So, what if you had a logo on your T-Shirt?  


An Orthodox T-shirt which has appeared in Russia.

Here is a humorous comment from the English Ship of Fools

Photos on the website
http://www.ship-of-fools.com/gadgets/fashion/236.html

"The latest fashion...

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Thanks For Sharing,,,Father...

Like the Tee Shirt,,I'll Have to put it on my must Have List....Orthodoxy Or Death...Great Saying... It can Keep My Other Tee Shirt Company ,that Say's Better the sultans turban than the Tiera of Rome.... 
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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2010, 07:06:53 PM »

The man's name sounds Slavic. Is he an apostate?
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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2010, 11:56:39 PM »


Oh my!

That's terrible.  So, what if you had a logo on your T-Shirt?  What if it said "God bless the USA?"  Would that be banned, as well?

You know I was upset this morning,....because my city has taken the no-texting-while-driving law a bit further. We can't read, groom, text, dial, answer the phone, or EAT.  While it all makes sense...and one should always be conscious of safety while driving....  you could now be pulled over for stuffing a french fry in your mouth, or taking a sip of water. 

However, after reading the above article...I can see that it can always be worse!   Wink

Wait a minute...you can't eat while driving???  Where is this?!?!?!

Suburb of Detroit, MI, USA.

No eating...no drinking....no smoking...no dialing phone....no nothing....two hands (and two thumbs) on steering wheel until you exit the city limits.  I truly wonder if it will make a difference, or if it is just a way to give out citations and for the city to make money.  It's my own city...and I actually feel nervous driving through it.  I had bought a cup of coffee....but, was afraid to sip it until I left the city.  I'm almost worried about laying my left arm on the open window as I am driving...as it might make it seem I am being careless.  What if you had an itch...I wonder if I would be stopped for scratching my head.

I'm all for being safe, but, ....


That's ridiculous....are the "rules of the road" books reflecting these changes?  I mean...are driving instructors showing people exactly how to drive all the time?  How far does it go...

Man this really irks me..
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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2010, 09:29:53 AM »


Just a reminder that this is the Religious Topics board and not the Politics board. I do understand that this particular thread, by it's very nature, probably walks a fine line between the two issues. But just keep in mind which board this thread is in, that's all. If people want to talk the politics that have been raised in a way that is unrelated to the intention of the thread feel free to do so in the Politics forum. Smiley

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Just a reminder that this is the Religious Topics board and not the Politics board. I do understand that this particular thread, by it's very nature, probably walks a fine line between the two issues. But just keep in mind which board this thread is in, that's all. If people want to talk the politics that have been raised in a way that is unrelated to the intention of the thread feel free to do so in the Politics forum. Smiley

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Please forgive me, I got carried away. 

I actually agree with this anyway: 

Malls are private property. While proselytizing on public land is permitted, that freedom doesn't extend to land owned by some corporation.

What is the point of having free speech if you lose it the minute you're on "private property"?

With the current trend toward privatizing everything, i.e., corporate ownership of everything, where will my freedom of speech count? What's the use of free republican gov't when most of my life is lived under state-sanctioned but privately owned tyrannies? Peasants living on a medieval lord's manor had it better lol

Your reasoning is the same Rand Paul applies against the Civil Rights Act.

I am for private property and individual/family rights, but only insofar as they serve as a bulwark against gov't tyranny. When private ownership itself becomes tyrannical, it's not serving its purpose. Privacy is a means to an end, freedom, not an end in itself. That's why slavery and discrimination are illegal. People shouldn't be able to abuse the freedom to own things in private to take away the freedom of others.
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« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2010, 02:05:30 PM »


Oh my!

That's terrible.  So, what if you had a logo on your T-Shirt?  What if it said "God bless the USA?"  Would that be banned, as well?

You know I was upset this morning,....because my city has taken the no-texting-while-driving law a bit further. We can't read, groom, text, dial, answer the phone, or EAT.  While it all makes sense...and one should always be conscious of safety while driving....  you could now be pulled over for stuffing a french fry in your mouth, or taking a sip of water. 

However, after reading the above article...I can see that it can always be worse!   Wink

To my mind, this is a totally different issue than that raised by the original post.  This is a safety issue.  Texting while driving, along with a lot of other distracting crap, SHOULD be illegal.  I don't want anyone t-boning my car because some ditz thought that telling her girlfriend "txt momz ASAFP goin 2 *$" was more important than watching the road, or have anyone run me down because they were dialing a telephone number, checking their lipstick in the rearview, brushing their hair, or cramming a 7-Eleven hotdog in their face with one hand while holding a Slurpee in the other  Maybe I'm just a little sensitive right now because a friend of mine (a young father) was recently killed on his motorcycle by a distracted driver doing something she obviously thought was "within reason" behind the wheel, but I say, if you can't wait until you're in park to make that text, eat that food, or dial your phone, you need to get pulled over.

As far as the issue raised by original post is concerned, I guess it depends on how aggressive the "street preacher" in question is being.  If they're like the guy in the article, just handing out literature or talking to people who are interested in their message, cool, but in my city, I've seen self-appointed street preachers straight up harrassing people, following young women down the street chiding them loudly for the way they're dressed or standing on the corner with microphones and step-ladders hollering about how the Ashkenazi aren't really Jews at all while pointing at a Hasidic guy walking down the street minding his business.  There's gotta be a line.  I believe in free speech but I don't want to be harassed by every cultist with a weird costume or a handful of Chick tracts on my way to the train station.
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