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« on: July 12, 2010, 05:18:31 PM »

Greetings and Bless'ed Love to all.  I would first like to start out by saying that only the truth will stand in the end regardless of what we think.  I would like to start by saying that there are alot of people who wish to see H.I.M. in a bad light and want others to do the same.  So lets just start with a few truths.  First of all the Triune Symbol does represent the Trinity Father, Son, Holy Spirit.  This is a symbol of ancient Masonry not the masonry that most know of today.  Starting with the crusades is when the masonry was stolen and used in ways not ordained to be used.  Masonry is the Priesthood and thats it.  The knowledge that the fake masons(all those who sit to the Rite) will lead you to believe have nothng to do with Masonry at all but the small percentage of the ancient masonry(not ancient and accepted freemasonry) what they have made out to be classified as Masonry.  As a real Mason not sitting to the Rite I am compelled to inform all those who are not Masons as well as all those who "think" they are that an Order is created by given vested power.  The Knights Templar whom all orders present today claim gave them the vested power to start their order needs to ask themselves who gave the Knights Templar their vested power to begin with.  The Temple of Solomon was abandoned during the crusades so where did they recieve their vested power and from what order.  Second of all the Illuminatti is nothing but a group of people who wish to control the world with the secret knowledge of the ancient ones not realizing that they didnt "steal" all the info.  They didnt even steal half which is why this symbol is not explained in detail because the truth is they dont know what it means.  It is the symbol of Life, The representation of the Trinity, A focul point used to harness the spiritual power of the soul/life of man.  It is a physical form used to represent a spiritual presence and is to be used by those ordained to do so.  For those who ask who is ordained and who is not?  We all may use the symbol because if you know your Judaism(Christianity for those who choose to use the latter title of "one" religion instead of the origional title) We are all a part of the Royal Priest Hood  of Priest Kings and Queens.  In most pictures of H.I.M. you will see that H.I.M. holds this Seal at the same height as a certain chakra(in the Hindu Faith) that same area in the general area of the navel represents where life was first given to you from your mother.  For those who think that Masonry is some evil class of people set out to rule the world you're WRONG.  However those people who claim to be masons and are not you may call them the Illuminatti.  Our job as real Masons is to Praise the Father not rule the world.  This is what we real Masons(High Priests) do.....Se'lah
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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2010, 05:32:13 PM »

I'm just curious as to whether you have a source for the above information.  You identify yourself as Tewahido, but I don't think that is something I ever heard from any of our Ethiopian Orthodox brothers.  Where did you get the above teaching?
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2010, 05:37:09 PM »

Bless'ed Love I am a High Priest and Mason under the Origional order the Melchizedek Order
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2010, 06:03:00 PM »

Bless'ed Love I am a High Priest and Mason under the Origional order the Melchizedek Order

I guess that answers my question.  Thanks.   Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2010, 04:21:25 AM »

Bless'ed Love I am a High Priest and Mason under the Origional order the Melchizedek Order

Ras Salem,

Do you mean Melketsidek [Melchizedek], the priest that presented and blessed Abraham with the gifts of wine and bread [Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High.]? 

If you will, please explain to me who and what the order of this Melketsidek is...

In the thread concerning the 'Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahido Church jurisdiction', I posted a link to a book about the priesthood.  If the "I" reads and accepts the teachings of that book, which supports the teachings of God's book, you'll renounce everything in sight and out-of-sight.  If any person accepts the teachings of the Bible, he or she will overstand that there is One Faith; One God; One Baptism: Tewahido!


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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2010, 02:18:36 PM »

Please expound the full (as far as you are able) meaning of Tewahedo.
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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2010, 03:38:17 PM »

It would be helpful if the posts of folk who are not canonical members of the EOTC or do not hold the teachings of the EOTC could be identified as this thread is becoming confusing.

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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2010, 03:40:55 PM »

I think reply number 16 kind of does that for us.   Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2010, 07:25:43 PM »

Please expound the full (as far as you are able) meaning of Tewahedo.

Tewahido is a Gi'iz [Ethiopic] word that means literally, 'to be made one'. This in turn means, 'The One Incarnate Nature of God the Word.' This describes the Christological formula [of St. Cyril I] of the Church(es) that believe in MIAPHYSITISM, although the word is strictly Gi'iz (related to Arabic and perhaps Syriac).

The Ethiopian Orthodox Church uses this 'title' or description to separate themselves from non-Chalcedonian, unorthodox churches [including Nestorians, Ethiopian Catholics, Apollonarians, etc.]. During the 15th-18th Centuries [A.D.], the Ethiopian Orthodox Church was confronted (in some instances violently) by various religious systems, from internal and external sources such as: Islam, Jesuit Catholocism, Roman Catholocism and other heresies like qebat and tsega.

Qebat means 'unction'. It basically teaches that Jesus became the Son of God by being 'anointed' by the Holy Spirit at His baptism at the the hand of St. John. Tsega means 'grace'. It basically teaches that Jesus had 'three births': one from the Father eternally, one from St. Mary genetically and another from the Holy Spirit at the age of 30. These heresies are not accepted by the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahido Church.

I hope that this helped and perhaps it may be grafted into a different thread if it doesn't exist already...

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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2010, 10:41:44 PM »

Greetings To All in the name of the Most High God JAH Ras Ta'feri!!!!  First off I would like to start by saying that I really appreciate some of the comments of you all on this matter.  As a devout Rasta in the Movement it pleases me alot to see that everyone is not against us.  First lets start at the beggining.  Rastafari is NOT a religion.  It is a religious movement.  As a Melchizedek High Priest I am obligated to inform all that the Orthodox Christianity that we know of today is indeed the Judaism of ancient times.  So Christianity and Judaism(The Real Judaism) are both one in the same.  Remember that there was a sect of so called Jewish people who persecuted Christ(against him) not necessarily the true Jewish people.(those Christ represented). With that being said lets move forward.  Now comes the tricky part.  Masonry.  Masonry in truth is the Priesthood.  Masonry is not and was not created by the current masons.  They are mearly the ones who found the information of the priesthood and used it against the world(illuminatti).  If you do your history you will clearly see that the Melchizedek Order(also Brotherhood of the White Light) holds all the secrets to mankind creation and God himself.  Only the High Priest's of the Order are allowed to possess these things. (which leads to the current misconception of masonry)  To bring the subject to current times the Conquering Lion of Judah is the only person capable of busting the Seven Seals.  Judah is the Lawbearer shedding the ecclisiasticall law of the Father(God) upon man it is stated everywhere.  Every real Rastafarian man knows that he is given the title Ras(prince).  This means that we(Rastafarian Men) are the princes of Judah spoken about in the word and we have been given the task of spreading the Laws of the Father which is why we priase H.I.M. Haillie Selassie the First of Ethiopia.  He is The living Melchizedek High Priest of current times being power of the trinity as all Melchizedek High Priest were before H.I.M.(King,Priest and Prophet) spreading the truth about the Father(God-JAH) ........Bless'ed Love
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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2010, 10:59:09 PM »

Ras Salem,

Do you mean Melketsidek [Melchizedek], the priest that presented and blessed Abraham with the gifts of wine and bread [Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High.]? 

If you will, please explain to me who and what the order of this Melketsidek is...

In the thread concerning the 'Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahido Church jurisdiction', I posted a link to a book about the priesthood.  If the "I" reads and accepts the teachings of that book, which supports the teachings of God's book, you'll renounce everything in sight and out-of-sight.  If any person accepts the teachings of the Bible, he or she will overstand that there is One Faith; One God; One Baptism: Tewahido!


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Greetings Bredren.  Mel-chi-z'e-dek (Hebrew 7 the whole chapter) is High Priest continually.  Now King of Peace, King of Righteousness.  Now remember that to be righteous is to be sinless which Melchizedek is King.  No mother No Father no beginning nor end of days like unto the son of God a priest continually.  Now if the I feels that this man has no significance then why didnt the Father create a new preisthood instead of making Christ a High Priest after the ancient priesthood of King Melchizedek.  As a Melchizedek High Priest I am obligated to inform you that we hold sacred the Tewahido and those of us that do not I beg of the I pray for them because judgement come.  Tewahido means "made one" and I as a Melchizedek High Priest do not deviate from the teachings of old.  Bless'ed Love
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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2010, 03:40:16 AM »

This topic was split off from here:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,22105.0.html#top

with the exception of reply #9, which was split off from here:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,14313.msg454143.html#top

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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2010, 03:59:30 AM »

Ras Salem,

Again, I want to welcome you to OCnet.   Smiley

I think our concern over your recent posts is that you seem to identify yourself as Tewahedo, but  you also are saying things that one does not associate with the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church.

Can you tell us more about your background and what it is that you believe?  We just want to better understand you.   Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2010, 12:29:49 PM »

No problem.  My name is Ras Corey Hollins from the U.S.  Those who have the wrong interpretation of Christianity and Rastafari should understand that they both referr to the Judaism of old.  Its not about what I believe.  The one thing I've always had a problem with is that people say that we should get our own interpretation of the word, but will that save you?  I think not.  your interpretation is naul and void because you are not the writer.  I would rather have the truth and not someone's explanation about the truth.  I sought for myself for years to find the Father.  I prayed and cried to him and he answered me.  I never looked to be a priest and didnt even think I was upright enough to be a priest.  I had never heard of the Melchizedek Order until a member of the order chased me down the street for about ten blocks and said they were led by the Father to catch me and inform me of the celibration of H.I.M. which I had prayed to the Father about 3 days before-hand.  As I learned about the priesthood I learned about many things that I never knew about.  I vowed finding out parts of the truth I would be appointed to the position of High Priest and have spreaded not my Truth but the information of the priesthood verbatim.  Those of us who represent the priesthood already know that to lie, misquote or misuse the word of the Father will not save you from anihilation, but schedule us for anihilation.  I'm not here to say anyone is wrong or what you have learned is incorrect because I dont know what you've learned however I will say this.  A lie can be exposed by the truth so for those who are skeptical of this information I have relayed then by all means correct with reproach, and I will let it annoint my head like oil.  Bless'ed Love 
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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2010, 01:00:42 PM »

Greetings Ras Salem,

Brother, I'm not interested in reproaching you by any means.  You seem to have studied a great deal of material from a wide variety of sources.  I'm curious how much you've studied about the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church and what your studies in this regard have revealed to you as truth.

Some of what you've said is in agreement with the teachings of the EOTC and some of what you've said conflicts with her established teachings.

Again, I'm not interested in reproaching or correcting you, but rather reasoning together.

Peace & Love.
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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2010, 01:09:54 PM »

Greetings Ras Salem,

Brother, I'm not interested in reproaching you by any means.  You seem to have studied a great deal of material from a wide variety of sources.  I'm curious how much you've studied about the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church and what your studies in this regard have revealed to you as truth.

Some of what you've said is in agreement with the teachings of the EOTC and some of what you've said conflicts with her established teachings.

Again, I'm not interested in reproaching or correcting you, but rather reasoning together.

Peace & Love.

Greetings Beloved,  I would like to start off by sayng that I am not offended or upset about any discussion that is had here.  I love the Father with all my heart and I love those who feel the way I do about my Father.  If I can help anyone to become closer to him by conversation, debate or whatever means possible I am all for it.  I love all yes Im a Rasta but not about all the whooplah that comes with it.  I am not against any other religions(Islam,Hindu etc) I love all this is about saving ourselves from anihilation.  So all questions comments are welcome good bad or ugly because it all brings us to a better understanding and closer to the Father.
Now to answer your question I have followed the rules of the Melchizedek Order which predates all current forms so the changes are younger than the origional info of ancient times that I have been taught... Bless'ed Love
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« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2010, 01:33:55 PM »

Could you tell me precisely about the origins of the Melchizedek order as you understand it?  In order for it to predate the monotheistic traditions of the EOTC it would have to be very old indeed, as Judaism entered Ethiopia during the time of Solomon and Christianity entered the country in the first Christian century.

I'm curious as to whether this Melchizedek order has any connection to the Old Testament figure of the same name, a typos of Our Lord and Savior, or if it is merely another modern fraternal organization usurping an ancient name...like the so-called "Hebrew Israelites", the "Nuwaubian Nation of Moors", and other such sham organizations.

Please elaborate.
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« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2010, 01:48:55 PM »

Could you tell me precisely about the origins of the Melchizedek order as you understand it?  In order for it to predate the monotheistic traditions of the EOTC it would have to be very old indeed, as Judaism entered Ethiopia during the time of Solomon and Christianity entered the country in the first Christian century.

I'm curious as to whether this Melchizedek order has any connection to the Old Testament figure of the same name, a typos of Our Lord and Savior, or if it is merely another modern fraternal organization usurping an ancient name...like the so-called "Hebrew Israelites", the "Nuwaubian Nation of Moors", and other such sham organizations.

Please elaborate.

Greetings to All,  The Melchizedek Order is indeed the order of the Ancient one Lord Melchizedek. Gen 14:18,Heb 7.  This is a real order stemming back to Genesis.  Not an order claiming a name of old.  Judaism started in the land of Salem(mesopatamia)ancient times.  At this time Mesopotemia was in the african region of Sheba not modern day Iran.  This is a real order that predates all which is why the Father(God-JAH) appointed his son (Christ) to be High Priest under this Order and not Levi or Aaron.
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« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2010, 02:15:57 PM »

Brother, how could the geographical location of Mesopotamia (the land between the Tigris and Euphrates) be physically moved?  Also, is there an unbroken succession from Melchizedek down to the priests of your order today?  From whom did you receive your ordination?
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« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2010, 03:54:04 PM »

Brother, how could the geographical location of Mesopotamia (the land between the Tigris and Euphrates) be physically moved?  Also, is there an unbroken succession from Melchizedek down to the priests of your order today?  From whom did you receive your ordination?

Bless'ed Love To All,  Bredren the geographical location of the cities were not changed but everyone knows that the names of the cities most of which were simply abandoned as well as thier territory was rebordered.  for example.  The ancient empire of Axum stretched into what is modern day Yemen.  this is factual.  Also yes there is.  H.I.M. Emperor Haille Selassie I is 225 in the line of the ancient habesha from King David himself.  H.I.M. ordained Elder Ras Marcus Selassie(Solomon Wolfe) who came to the United States and gave Vested power to start E.W.F. Melchizedek Order Local #18 Norfolk, Virginia U.S.A.  I am a current member of this Local.  Bless'ed Love
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« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2010, 04:13:00 PM »

Peace & Love brother.  Let us be precise, geographically speaking.

Mesopotamia was never in Iran.

The old Axumite Empire was on both sides of the Red Sea, in Ethiopia and Southern Arabia, but this is far to the south of Mesopotamia.  The Axumite Empire did not extend that far north.  The cities of Mesopotamia were not renamed or rebordered cities from inside the African continent.  This is simply false in terms of geography and history.

Additionally, His Majesty was the Emperor, but was not a bishop.  He had no authority to ordain anyone, and never claimed this authority.  The E.W.F. was not an ecclesiastical body, but was an organization intended to garner support for the liberation of Ethiopia among Black Americans and West Indians after the Fascist invasion.
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« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2010, 04:22:14 PM »

Peace & Love brother.  Let us be precise, geographically speaking.

Mesopotamia was never in Iran.

The old Axumite Empire was on both sides of the Red Sea, in Ethiopia and Southern Arabia, but this is far to the south of Mesopotamia.  The Axumite Empire did not extend that far north.  The cities of Mesopotamia were not renamed or rebordered cities from inside the African continent.  This is simply false in terms of geography and history.

Additionally, His Majesty was the Emperor, but was not a bishop.  He had no authority to ordain anyone, and never claimed this authority.  The E.W.F. was not an ecclesiastical body, but was an organization intended to garner support for the liberation of Ethiopia among Black Americans and West Indians after the Fascist invasion.

Bless'ed Love To All once again you are correct Iran was at that time Persia and Axum at its height was only one of four world powers who owned all lands in the area of Salem or Mesopatamia.  The E.W.F. is a social-civic organisation yes but the title Melchizedek Order Local #18 changes the status of this particular Local. as well as Local #2 LosAngelos.(Only two in the World).  H.I.M. would not be Bishop but High Priest by blood he is King, Priest and Prophet which is why he was given the name Haille(power of the trinity) Se'lah
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« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2010, 04:25:14 PM »

The E.W.F. was not an ecclesiastical body, but was an organization intended to garner support for the liberation of Ethiopia among Black Americans and West Indians after the Fascist invasion

Bless'ed Love To All,  The E.W.F. was started because of the Harlem Brothers.  It was created to help Black Americans to conduct business without outside interferance.  Started in 1933 in New York, NY. durring the great depression
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« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2010, 04:33:34 PM »

I am sorry but I am just getting more and more confused by this thread and I am sure that others are to.

Can it be made clear by someone/anyone, the relation of any of thee groups named to our Orthodox Church.

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« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2010, 04:36:13 PM »

Greetings Beloved Bredren.  The topic of discussion is Melchizedek.  Him being a priest is why the clergy is refrenced however the thred is about Melchizedek the Man and not a Melchizedek Priest given the title Melchizedek Bless'ed Love
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« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2010, 04:39:58 PM »

Brother, I love His Majesty, but he was not a high priest.  He himself received communion from the hands of the priests and kissed the hands of the priests.  The priesthood established by Christ, beginning with the Holy Apostles, is transmitted by chrism, not by bloodlines, and has superceded and supplanted the old Aaronic/Levitical priesthood as far as those Jews and Gentiles who recognized Christ as the Messiah were concerned (i.e. those individuals who established the Orthodox Church).  His Majesty never called himself a high priest, and because of his relationship with the true priests of the Orthodox Church (of which he was a member) would never accept such a title.  Behold, His Majesty kissing the hands and crosses of the true priests of the Orthodox Church:

http://ethiopianinsight.com/IMAGES/Majesty%20kissing%20cross.png
http://www.abbayesehaq.com/
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/51/106436228_c48d57f52f_m.jpg

Please do take the time to read the websites I linked to in my other post.  See what His Majesty and the priest sent by His Majesty (Abune Yesehaq) had to say about the authentic priesthood.
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« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2010, 04:41:25 PM »

I am sorry but I am just getting more and more confused by this thread and I am sure that others are to.

Can it be made clear by someone/anyone, the relation of any of thee groups named to our Orthodox Church.

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Father, bless.  None of these groups are in any way affiliated with any canonical Orthodox Church.
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« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2010, 04:43:59 PM »

I am sorry but I am just getting more and more confused by this thread and I am sure that others are to.

Can it be made clear by someone/anyone, the relation of any of thee groups named to our Orthodox Church.

Father Peter

Ras Salem's group is not related to the Orthodox Church. 

Do you ever meet Rastas in Great Britain?  They are a very diverse group.  Some are Orthodox, but some have their own beliefs and organizations.
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« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2010, 04:51:59 PM »

Bless'ed Love To All, Bredren as we can see there is no means to the discussion.  I will study as well as you, communion is for all.  Even christ went into churches with others but the bottom line is I enjoy these types of discussion because nothing but the truth will come from such a discussion.  Bless'ed Love.  Give Thanks for the openess of everyone in our trodd to truely find the way.  Not our way or the ways of man but of the Father.  One question though bredren.  If Christ started the priesthood whom did he look to?  Im sure that he did not seek himself correct?  So clearly there had to be some form of the priesthood before him to learn from.  So what type of priest was John the Babtist and what faith did he follow to lead him to be the babtiser of Christ since "Christianity" had not been completed.  Christ never spoke of Christianity but of Judaism......
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« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2010, 04:56:10 PM »

Ras Salem's group is not related to the Orthodox Church. 

Bless'ed Love To All,  I am part of no group.  I am one man studying to prove myself worthy.  There are a lot of Rastas who will tell you what Im stating is not true.  The reallity is that until you tear down the borders of the different religions with a bias eye(an eye for the Father only) then you can see that when you go back far enough in history all the religions come down to one ancient religion. 
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« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2010, 05:09:34 PM »

Bless'ed Love To All, Bredren as we can see there is no means to the discussion.  I will study as well as you, communion is for all.  Even christ went into churches with others but the bottom line is I enjoy these types of discussion because nothing but the truth will come from such a discussion.  Bless'ed Love.  Give Thanks for the openess of everyone in our trodd to truely find the way.  Not our way or the ways of man but of the Father.  One question though bredren.  If Christ started the priesthood whom did he look to?  Im sure that he did not seek himself correct?  So clearly there had to be some form of the priesthood before him to learn from.  So what type of priest was John the Babtist and what faith did he follow to lead him to be the babtiser of Christ since "Christianity" had not been completed.  Christ never spoke of Christianity but of Judaism......

Dear brother, St. John the Forerunner was not a priest.  Our Lord Jesus Christ is God in Human Flesh and did not need baptism, but as you intimated, He came not to destroy the law but to fulfill it.

Why, then, did He submit to the baptism of St. John?

St. John Chrysostom explains more eloquently than I ever could:

There was a Jewish baptism, which cleansed from bodily impurities, but not to remove sins. Thus, whoever committed adultery, or decided on thievery, or who did some other kind of misdeed, it did not free him from guilt. But whoever touched the bones of the dead, whoever tasted food forbidden by the law, whoever approached from contamination, whoever consorted with lepers -- that one washed, and until evening was impure, and then cleansed. "Let one wash his body in pure water -- it says in the Scriptures, -- and he will be unclean until evening, and then he will be clean" (Lev 15:5, 22:4).

...the baptism of John did not impart the Holy Spirit and it did not grant forgiveness by grace: it gave the commandment to repent, but it was powerless to absolve sins. Wherefore John did also say: "I baptize you with water...That One however will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire" (Mt 3:11). Obviously, he did not baptize with the Spirit.” This is the key aspect of a Christian baptism is that it includes baptism by the Holy Spirit. Paul advised those who had been baptized by John to be baptized again. He said, “John indeed baptized with the baptism of repentance," -- repentance, but not remission of sins; for whom did he baptize? "Having proclaimed to the people, that they should believe in the One coming after him, namely, Christ Jesus. Having heard this, they were baptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus: and Paul laying his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them" (Acts 19:1-6)

...when all the people thronged out from all the cities to Jordan and remained on the banks of the river, and when He Himself came to be baptized and received the testimony of the Father by a voice from above and by the coming-upon of the Spirit in the form of a dove, then the testimony of John about Him was made beyond all questioning. And since he said: "and I knew Him not" (Jn 1:31), his testimony put forth is trustworthy.

They were kindred after the flesh between themselves "wherefore Elizabeth, thy kinswoman, hath also conceived a son" -- said the Angel to Mary about the mother of John (Lk. 1: 36); if however the mothers were relatives, then obviously so also were the children. Thus, since they were kinsmen -- in order that it should not seem that John would testify concerning Christ because of kinship, the grace of the Spirit organized it such, that John spent all his early years in the wilderness, so that it should not seem that John had declared his testimony out of friendship or some similar reason. But John, as he was instructed of God, thus also announced about Him, wherein also he did say: "and I knew Him not." From whence didst thou find out? "He having sent me that sayeth to baptize with water, That One did tell me" What did He tell thee? "Over Him thou shalt see the Spirit descending, like to a dove, and abiding over Him, That One is baptized by the Holy Spirit" (Jn 1:32-33). Dost thou see, that the Holy Spirit did not descend as in a first time then coming down upon Him, but in order to point out that preached by His inspiration -- as though by a finger, it pointed Him out to all. For this reason He came to baptism.

When John said: "“I need to be baptized by You, and are You coming to me?” But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness” (Mt 3:14-15). Dost thou see the meekness of the servant? Dost thou see the humility of the Master? What does He mean: "to fulfill every righteousness?" By righteousness is meant the fulfillment of all the commandments, as is said: “both were righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless" (Lk 1:6). Since fulfilling this righteousness was necessary for all people -- but no one of them kept it or fulfilled it -- Christ came then and fulfilled this righteousness.

And what righteousness is there, someone will say, in being baptized? Obedience for a prophet was righteous. As Christ was circumcised, offered sacrifice, kept the sabbath and observed the Jewish feasts, so also He added this remaining thing, that He was obedient to having been baptized by a prophet. It was the will of God then, that all should be baptized -- about which listen, as John speaks: "He having sent me to baptize with water" (Jn 1:33); so also Christ: "the publicans and the people do justify God, having been baptized with the baptism of John; the pharisees and the lawyers reject the counsel of God concerning themselves, not having been baptized by him" (Lk 7:29-30). Thus, if obedience to God constitutes righteousness, and God sent John to baptize the nation, then Christ has also fulfilled this along with all the other commandments.

End words of St. John, may his blessing be with us all, amen.

The priesthood established by Our Lord Jesus Christ was something new.  He Himself is God, the Heavenly High Priest, and didn't need ordination or authority from anyone else.  All true priests are part of the unbroken Apostolic succession that leads back to Him through His Apostles.  All other "priests" are, in the Orthodox understanding, null and void.

We don't believe in syncretism and the unity of all religions.  Light cannot walk together with darkness.  We believe in one, holy , catholic, and apostolic Church.  Peace and Love.
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Bless'ed Love To All,  I am part of no group.  I am one man studying to prove myself worthy. 

Thank you for clarifying.  That makes it easier to understand you.   Smiley

Have you thought about talking with an Orthodox priest about all this?  Are there any Ethiopian Churches near you, or any other Orthodox Churches near you?  His Imperial Majesty was a devout Ethiopian Orthodox Christian.  He loved the Orthodox Church very much.  If you are studying and looking for truth, this may be something that will give you fulfillment.  It cannot hurt to try.   Smiley
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« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2010, 05:21:19 PM »

Dear brother, St. John the Forerunner was not a priest.  Our Lord Jesus Christ is God in Human Flesh and did not need baptism, but as you intimated, He came not to destroy the law but to fulfill it.

Bredren are you saying that Christ is God? if so then why did Christ always refrence his Father?  He talked about his Father's House, table, kingdom etc.  So you are saying that Christ is the father and not the Son?  So he acknowledeged himself.  He called upon himself?  He asked himself to forgive them on the cross?  He never claimed to be the messiah those around him proclaimed him as such..........
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« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2010, 05:24:29 PM »

Have you thought about talking with an Orthodox priest about all this?  Are there any Ethiopian Churches near you, or any other Orthodox Churches near you?  His Imperial Majesty was a devout Ethiopian Orthodox Christian.  He loved the Orthodox Church very much.  If you are studying and looking for truth, this may be something that will give you fulfillment.  It cannot hurt to try.   

No I have not.  I study the ancient text.  The teachings that were studied by all before his birth(christ).
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« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2010, 05:28:07 PM »

The priesthood established by Our Lord Jesus Christ was something new.  He Himself is God, the Heavenly High Priest, and didn't need ordination or authority from anyone else.  All true priests are part of the unbroken Apostolic succession that leads back to Him through His Apostles.  All other "priests" are, in the Orthodox understanding, null and void.

We don't believe in syncretism and the unity of all religions.  Light cannot walk together with darkness.  We believe in one, holy , catholic, and apostolic Church.  Peace and Love.

So he created something that has customs of old incoroprated in it.  How can it be new?  and Light and dark are indeed together they co exist and are not one in the same. 
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« Reply #35 on: July 16, 2010, 05:42:21 PM »

Dear brother, St. John the Forerunner was not a priest.  Our Lord Jesus Christ is God in Human Flesh and did not need baptism, but as you intimated, He came not to destroy the law but to fulfill it.

Bredren are you saying that Christ is God? if so then why did Christ always refrence his Father?  He talked about his Father's House, table, kingdom etc.  So you are saying that Christ is the father and not the Son?  So he acknowledeged himself.  He called upon himself?  He asked himself to forgive them on the cross?  He never claimed to be the messiah those around him proclaimed him as such..........

Dearest Brother, this is the mystery of the Holy Trinity.  God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are one and yet three.  Our Lord Jesus Christ is indeed God.  He is not God the Father (Whom as you say, He references) but He is indeed God the Son, co-essential with His Father.  He did indeed claim the Divine name of I AM for Himself compare Exo. 3:14 with St. John 8:58 and he also received worship (Matt. 2:2; 14:33; 28:9; John 9:35-38).

This is why some of the Jews wished to stone Him, for claiming the Divine.

You also ask how can what He created be new if it incorporated older customs?  The Lord Himself said he came not to destroy the law but to fulfill it.  He Himself was the author and finisher of the original Jewish Faith, which He fulfilled by His Incarnation, death, burial, and resurrection.  The priesthood He established was new in its universality and mission, but there was never a break in continuity with the covenant established even with Adam.  In fact, that covenant was fulfilled through God's mercy and grace.  This is why Christians haven't chucked the Old Testament into the refuse bin.  The Church is the new Zion.

Light and dark are not one in the same in the spiritual sense and in the language utilized in the Scripture and the Orthodox Church.  Light = righteousness and dark = wickedness, so there is no fellowship between them.  I didn't make this saying up, this is Scripture.  I am paraphrasing 2 Corinthians 6:14: "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
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« Reply #36 on: July 16, 2010, 05:47:23 PM »

Have you thought about talking with an Orthodox priest about all this?  Are there any Ethiopian Churches near you, or any other Orthodox Churches near you?  His Imperial Majesty was a devout Ethiopian Orthodox Christian.  He loved the Orthodox Church very much.  If you are studying and looking for truth, this may be something that will give you fulfillment.  It cannot hurt to try.  

No I have not.  I study the ancient text.  The teachings that were studied by all before his birth(christ).
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« Reply #37 on: July 16, 2010, 05:51:52 PM »

who said I dont believe in Christ? Why, because I dont agree with your interpretation of Christ?........
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« Reply #38 on: July 16, 2010, 05:57:15 PM »

If you don't believe in Christ as the EOTC and other Orthodox Churches have always done then you cannot be Tewahedo. That is what Tewahedo means.
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« Reply #39 on: July 16, 2010, 06:09:30 PM »

who said I dont believe in Christ? Why, because I dont agree with your interpretation of Christ?........

Re-read what I wrote.  I'm not condemning you or saying you must believe what I believe.  What I'm telling you is that you call yourself "Orthodox Tewahedo" but that your stated beliefs don't match up with this.  This is why you are confusing people on these boards.

It would be like if I went onto a Muslim message board and called myself a Muslim but said I believe in four gods and that Muhammad was no prophet.  If people told me I was confusing them by describing myself as a Muslim, they'd be more than justified in doing so.  Get it?
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« Reply #40 on: July 16, 2010, 06:10:04 PM »

If you don't believe in Christ as the EOTC and other Orthodox Churches have always done then you cannot be Tewahedo. That is what Tewahedo means.

Bless'ed Love,  what Im trying to figure out is who where and when did someone say that I dont believe in Christ?  I never said that.  Is this being stated because I have a different interpretation of Christ the everyone here?
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« Reply #41 on: July 16, 2010, 06:13:17 PM »

If you don't believe in Christ as the EOTC and other Orthodox Churches have always done then you cannot be Tewahedo. That is what Tewahedo means.

Bless'ed Love,  what Im trying to figure out is who where and when did someone say that I dont believe in Christ?  I never said that.  Is this being stated because I have a different interpretation of Christ the everyone here?

The confusion is simply because you call yourself "Orthodox Tewahedo" but don't believe what an "Orthodox Tewahedo" person believes.  Please see my above post to you.  It's like you are pouring a cup of motor oil but insist on calling it tomato juice.  It doesn't change what's in the cup.  It doesn't have anything to do with you having different beliefs than others here, it has to do with you using inaccurate terminology.
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« Reply #42 on: July 16, 2010, 06:18:04 PM »

ok so show me where the information that you relayed is so supreme.  Has the Father returned to judge the people and I missed it?  He has already proclaimed the views that you all have as his truth.  If not then we all as stated before fall short of the glory and are simply searching for the truth.  Dont be so quick to say what you speak is truth and what I speak is false simply because it does not agree with what you know to be so.
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« Reply #43 on: July 16, 2010, 06:21:44 PM »

It is not a matter of our personal opinions.

We agree with the teaching of the Tewahedo Orthodox Church. We submit our opinions to the judgment of the Church and to the theological tradition which it has preserved over the centuries.

It seems that your opinions are different to that of the Tewahedo Orthodox Church, therefore you should not call yourself Tewahedo.

This is not a judgement on your person, but on the things you are saying. They are just not the same as have been taught by the Holy Orthodox Churches since the time of Christ and his Holy Apostles.

It does not matter that you disagree with me, or us, but it does matter if, as is the case, you disagree with that which has been taught from the time of Christ and from the mouth of Christ.

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I have questioned no acts of Christ or anyone elses views.  I've simply stated what Ive been taught thru the Order and Priesthood that I am a part of.  If you feel what I have stated goes against what you know to be so by the church then raise these issues to the church and let them clarify.  You cant simply say that because what I have stated is not that of the church that I dont believe and know of the oneness of Christ.  Or that what I have stated is simply false because it does not correlate with the church.  Orthodox=tradition, custom, ancientcy. Tewahido=the ones of the divine and all things IN the FATHER. Christianity is the most current usher of Judaism which is one in the same.  It is a Royal Stuartship.  This is why my profile says what it says. Se'lah
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« Reply #45 on: July 16, 2010, 06:30:45 PM »

You're overstating your case.  The Father doesn't have to return to judge us for us to use accurate terminology.

For the third time, I'm not saying you have to believe what I believe.  I'm simply telling you the definition of the term "Tewahedo Orthodox".

You asked me to show you that my information on this topic is accurate?  Okay, here it is:

http://www.ethiopianorthodox.org/english/indexenglish.html

The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church's official website.

Here is their definition of faith, exactly as I described it:

http://www.ethiopianorthodox.org/english/faith.html

The definition of the term Tewahedo:

Tewahedo is a Ge'ez word meaning "being made one" or "unified" and is a reference ti the united nature of Christ.

Regarding the Person of Jesus Christ also there have been serious discussions in Ethiopia. But the Church holds to the view that He is God the Son in His incarnate state. Born of God the Father eternally as God the Son, He was born of the Virgin Mother as a real man. There are a number of affirmations in the Anaphora regarding Him, some of which may be noted here.

1.Jesus Christ was born of Our Lady Mary for our salvation. He who does not believe in His birth from Holy Mary, let him be anathema.

2. In this way, after being conceived in the womb of the Virgin, God the Son was born as a man. By His conception, God the Son became incarnate “taking our nature.” The Son who is born of the Father without a mother, was born as a man without a Father. “He put on mortal flesh and made it immortal,” and He came truly into the world “clothed in the body which He took from us.”

3. His human birth was a unique event, whereby God the Son “came down through the will of His Father” and was made man. “His humanity was not inferior because He had no Father to be born of His seed.” This is incarnation, whereby God the Son entered the historical realm in order to save it forever.

4. In the Incarnation, God the Son united to Himself manhood and “made it one with his Godhead without mixture or confusion, without division or alternation.” Therefore, “His Godhead was not separated from His manhood, not for an hour, nor for the twinkling of an eye.”

5. God the Son came to us “without being separated from His Godhead.” After being born, “He grew like an infant, and grew little by little until He matured like a man. At the age of thirty He was baptized in the Jordan.” He was tempted by the devil; “He hungered and thirsted,” He went about “preaching the gospel of the kingdom of Heaven.” By this, who is perfect like God the Father and is His image walked among us in our image.

6. He suffered passion and death voluntarily on our behalf and for our sakes. He became hungry as man, and granted food to many with very little bread. He thirsted as a man who dies, but changed water into wine as being able to give life to all.


The definition of the term Orthodox:

Orthodox is a Greek term meaning "correct praise" or "correct faith".

So we don't pull these terms out of thin air and define them as we like and it's all relative.  No one is judging you, just asking that you be accurate.

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« Reply #46 on: July 16, 2010, 06:33:18 PM »

So because it does not correlate with what you say or the church it is inaccurate?  Well I guess I truelly have fell short of the glory
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« Reply #47 on: July 16, 2010, 06:39:31 PM »

Haile Selassie was of the Church. He was devoted to the life of Christ in the Church.

The Church is the community that God has formed in the world for Himself and for the salvation of the world. To be apart from the Church is to be apart from the life of God.

Once again, it is not a matter of your personal opinion and my/our personal opinion. It is only and always a matter of having the mind of Christ formed by life in the Church of Christ, the Orthodox Church.

If anyone's opinions are different to those of the Church then their spiritual life is diminished. This is why we ask you to consider the teaching of the Church, a teaching which comes from Christ Himself through His Apostles.

No other opinions matter, no other teaching has any authority at all.

My own opinions are as nothing compared to the constant and ancient teaching of the Church. This is why we are not contradicting you with our own opinions, but we are pointing out that what you teach is not the Tewahedo faith and is not the faith of H.I.M.

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« Reply #48 on: July 16, 2010, 06:42:11 PM »

Well Beloved since you have correlated this issue with the elders of the church and H.I.M. and they gave you their response to the statements made then I guess I stand corrected. Se'lah
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« Reply #49 on: July 16, 2010, 06:44:50 PM »

The ancient teaching of the EOTC is clear, and it is also clear that H.I.M. was a committed and devoted member of the EOTC. Therefore if we wish to have the same faith as H.I.M. we must embrace the teaching of the EOTC, which is neither hard to discover nor difficult to experience, as others have already pointed out that there are EOTC congregations not far from you.

The Church which H.I.M. belonged to is the proper place to begin to understand what he believed.

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« Reply #50 on: July 16, 2010, 06:46:26 PM »

Give Thanks oh supreme and knowledgible one. Se'lah
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« Reply #51 on: July 16, 2010, 06:48:53 PM »

So because it does not correlate with what you say or the church it is inaccurate?  Well I guess I truelly have fell short of the glory

Brother, at this point, you've reduced the discussion to the point where it's no longer even about dogma or theology, it's about simple definition.

I can't say "automobile" means a man with a hat because that's what I want it to mean.

I can't say "dinosaur" means a tube station in West London because someone taught me wrong.

And I can't say you're judging me or assigning me to the pit or acting omnipotent if you correct me on my terminology.

Tewahedo doesn't mean "the ones of the divine and all things IN the FATHER".

Orthodox doesn't mean "tradition, custom, ancientcy".

Not because that's not how WE define it, but simply because that's not the definition of the word.  No one is judging you.  Just asking you to be accurate.
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« Reply #52 on: July 16, 2010, 06:51:08 PM »

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« Reply #53 on: July 16, 2010, 07:00:23 PM »

wow I have the whole website in an uproar.  Do I need to remove myself.  As a humble man Im not here to be offensive but it seems that everyone is very defensive which I was not even though your views are very different from mine.  Do I need to humbly and respectfully bow out? I just want to study and praise the Father.
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« Reply #54 on: July 16, 2010, 07:19:32 PM »

That is for you to decide, brother.  You don't have the website in an uproar because you believe differently.  What you're doing really isn't fair.  You're using inaccurate terms, and then if someone asks you to be accurate, you say they're judging you or being self-righteous when this really isn't the case.  Why are you insisting on doing this?  You and I were having a nice conversation until you took this tact.
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« Reply #55 on: July 16, 2010, 07:50:19 PM »

We can have a conversation as long as we can respect each others views and not try to tear them apart.  Not one time have I questioned what anyone here has said or tried to correct them in any way even though what you say is different from what I've learned. I have had no reproofs. I simply answered the question to the best of my knowledge and everyone here has basically said in so many ways im not making since, its not correlating all types of stuff but hey like I said before prey for me bredren.  As everyone here has stated indirectly I dont know what Im talking about so I really need it(prayer) Se'lah
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« Reply #56 on: July 16, 2010, 07:54:33 PM »

Honestly I dont see how we ever had a conversation.  we never discussed our information with each other.  I answered a topic and recieved responses from all angles about how what I said was confussing etc.  Everyone here has basically asked me in some form or another what am I talking about.  So if I make no sense why are we all still holding this discussion.  Shouldnt you all be preying for my lost soul, considering the fact that everyone feels that Im not of the church as well as going against the Church?
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« Reply #57 on: July 17, 2010, 11:00:49 AM »

I'm sure that everyone here is praying for you, as I hope you're praying for them, my weak self included.

And how can you say we weren't having a dialogue?  Look back at the thread.  We were indeed.  Whatever your interractions with others were, you and I were having a polite and constructive conversation.

Finally, if you truly insist that you can't see why people would be confused by your declaring yourself to be "Tewahedo Orthodox" and then espousing views that are the antithesis of those of a "Tewahedo Orthodox" person, then I must believe you're being willfully obtuse, as you couldn't possibly be that dense.

I can't say that I'm a Muslim and then say that a Muslim as I understand it recognizes the gods Ahura Mazda and Angra Mainyu and the prophet Zoroaster and not expect actual Muslims to take umbrage.
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« Reply #58 on: July 17, 2010, 09:16:33 PM »

I'm sure that everyone here is praying for you, as I hope you're praying for them, my weak self included.

And how can you say we weren't having a dialogue?  Look back at the thread.  We were indeed.  Whatever your interractions with others were, you and I were having a polite and constructive conversation.

Finally, if you truly insist that you can't see why people would be confused by your declaring yourself to be "Tewahedo Orthodox" and then espousing views that are the antithesis of those of a "Tewahedo Orthodox" person, then I must believe you're being willfully obtuse, as you couldn't possibly be that dense.

I can't say that I'm a Muslim and then say that a Muslim as I understand it recognizes the gods Ahura Mazda and Angra Mainyu and the prophet Zoroaster and not expect actual Muslims to take umbrage.


Bless'ed Love To All, 

A conversation is held between two people when there is discussion not a simple relay of your information to my own and how they correlate.  you never asked me after the stating of the info why and how I came to the summation I have but how it goes against what you and I guess everyone else here claims they know and believe to be so.  Sounds more like a debate to me... Se'lah
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« Reply #59 on: July 17, 2010, 09:22:59 PM »

Finally, if you truly insist that you can't see why people would be confused by your declaring yourself to be "Tewahedo Orthodox" and then espousing views that are the antithesis of those of a "Tewahedo Orthodox" person, then I must believe you're being willfully obtuse, as you couldn't possibly be that dense.
 

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 once again my profile does not say EOTC.  I know what orthodox means by definition.  I know what tewahido means by definition and I know what Judaism/Christianity means.  Now have I broken some type of rules on this site by stating this?  I can fix it.  This way no one will feel offended including myself....Se'lah
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« Reply #60 on: July 18, 2010, 10:13:32 AM »

I'm sure that everyone here is praying for you, as I hope you're praying for them, my weak self included.

And how can you say we weren't having a dialogue?  Look back at the thread.  We were indeed.  Whatever your interractions with others were, you and I were having a polite and constructive conversation.

Finally, if you truly insist that you can't see why people would be confused by your declaring yourself to be "Tewahedo Orthodox" and then espousing views that are the antithesis of those of a "Tewahedo Orthodox" person, then I must believe you're being willfully obtuse, as you couldn't possibly be that dense.

I can't say that I'm a Muslim and then say that a Muslim as I understand it recognizes the gods Ahura Mazda and Angra Mainyu and the prophet Zoroaster and not expect actual Muslims to take umbrage.


Bless'ed Love To All, 

A conversation is held between two people when there is discussion not a simple relay of your information to my own and how they correlate.  you never asked me after the stating of the info why and how I came to the summation I have but how it goes against what you and I guess everyone else here claims they know and believe to be so.  Sounds more like a debate to me... Se'lah

Brother, you're on an Orthodox Christian website.  Did you expect everyone here to say, "Hail the High Priest of the Melchizedek Order!  Thank you for coming to enlighten us with your newly minted wisdom.  We realize at last that 2000 years of Orthodox Christianity, the Faith that we received from Our God and Savior, has been a falsehood!"

But fine, allow me to ask, how did you come to the understanding you presently espouse?


Finally, if you truly insist that you can't see why people would be confused by your declaring yourself to be "Tewahedo Orthodox" and then espousing views that are the antithesis of those of a "Tewahedo Orthodox" person, then I must believe you're being willfully obtuse, as you couldn't possibly be that dense.
 

Bless'ed Love To All

 once again my profile does not say EOTC.  I know what orthodox means by definition.  I know what tewahido means by definition and I know what Judaism/Christianity means.  Now have I broken some type of rules on this site by stating this?  I can fix it.  This way no one will feel offended including myself....Se'lah

Now it seems as if you've learned the definition of these terms, and now no one will be confused, though in truth I don't believe that anyone was ever offended, except perhaps yourself.  If anyone did offend you by asking for clarity, I'm sure this wasn't their intention.
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« Reply #61 on: July 18, 2010, 01:42:56 PM »

Brother, you're on an Orthodox Christian website.  Did you expect everyone here to say, "Hail the High Priest of the Melchizedek Order!  Thank you for coming to enlighten us with your newly minted wisdom.  We realize at last that 2000 years of Orthodox Christianity, the Faith that we received from Our God and Savior, has been a falsehood!"

But fine, allow me to ask, how did you come to the understanding you presently espouse?

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  I thought this was website that consisted of people who believed in Christ....but hey maybe not
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« Reply #62 on: July 18, 2010, 01:49:55 PM »

Now it seems as if you've learned the definition of these terms, and now no one will be confused, though in truth I don't believe that anyone was ever offended, except perhaps yourself.  If anyone did offend you by asking for clarity, I'm sure this wasn't their intention.

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  Well bredren I guess you are keeping track of what Ive learned and what I knew before hand even though you know not what I speak of.    I never got offended but it seems that you as well as others have but anyway that doesnt matter and all of this debate about whose right and whose wrong will it save your soul?  will it save mine?  You spoke of the fact that the church is 2000 years old and their doctrine is incorrect.  I never said that you did. Neither did the info I related you did.   Also there was religion before Christ and they lived a little longer than 2000 years and they were wrong.  Not to say that the church is wrong or is not right however the bottom line is that no one in the church or any church has passed thru the veil to truely know that what they say is true and has been confirmed by the FAther,Son or Holy Spirit.  All we can do is hope that our Wrathfull Father will not condemn us for our iniquity and stupidity...Se'lah
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« Reply #63 on: July 18, 2010, 07:07:06 PM »

Did you expect everyone here to say, "Hail the High Priest of the Melchizedek Order!  Thank you for coming to enlighten us with your newly minted wisdom

Bless'ed Love To All,

No they already Hailed the Highest Ranking Melchizedek, Christ. You are welcome but the knowledge is not newly minted it is anciently inscribed....Se'lah
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« Reply #64 on: July 18, 2010, 07:24:06 PM »

Brother, you're on an Orthodox Christian website.  Did you expect everyone here to say, "Hail the High Priest of the Melchizedek Order!  Thank you for coming to enlighten us with your newly minted wisdom.  We realize at last that 2000 years of Orthodox Christianity, the Faith that we received from Our God and Savior, has been a falsehood!"

But fine, allow me to ask, how did you come to the understanding you presently espouse?

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  I thought this was website that consisted of people who believed in Christ....but hey maybe not

How does disagreeing with anything you've said constitute a lack of belief in Christ?  Especially when you’ve demonstrated that Christ ranks significantly lower in your cosmology than He does in ours?

Now it seems as if you've learned the definition of these terms, and now no one will be confused, though in truth I don't believe that anyone was ever offended, except perhaps yourself.  If anyone did offend you by asking for clarity, I'm sure this wasn't their intention.

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  Well bredren I guess you are keeping track of what Ive learned and what I knew before hand even though you know not what I speak of.    I never got offended but it seems that you as well as others have but anyway that doesnt matter and all of this debate about whose right and whose wrong will it save your soul?  will it save mine?  You spoke of the fact that the church is 2000 years old and their doctrine is incorrect.  I never said that you did. Neither did the info I related you did.   Also there was religion before Christ and they lived a little longer than 2000 years and they were wrong.  Not to say that the church is wrong or is not right however the bottom line is that no one in the church or any church has passed thru the veil to truely know that what they say is true and has been confirmed by the FAther,Son or Holy Spirit.  All we can do is hope that our Wrathfull Father will not condemn us for our iniquity and stupidity...Se'lah

Anyone who can read “knows of what they speak” here because they can see how you were defining the terms in question when you first started posting, and how you’ve amended those definitions since dialoguing with other posters on these boards.

Contradictory doctrines cannot both be correct.  The information you’ve given contradicts that of the Church.  Both cannot be right.  We don’t have to “pass through the veil” to know whether or not we’re right, because Our Revelation came to us cloaked in human flesh.  Our Revelation is the Lord Jesus Christ.  He taught our fathers the Apostles and they taught us, and thus the tradition has been passed down in an unbroken line for centuries.  The fact that there was “religion before Christ and they lived a little longer than 2000 years and they were wrong” means nothing.  The fact that men created fallacious creeds for themselves after the fall does not invalidate the covenant that God made with Adam, which was ultimately fulfilled by the Incarnation.

And no, I’m not offended, and I don’t think that others here are either.  Perhaps some are simply frustrated by your tact of stating information as if it were absolute fact and you were teaching us, having that information rebutted, and then, when out of ammunition, calling people who have disproved your statements almighty this or that or claiming that they’ve said that you were a lost soul.

I asked above but you declined to answer: “But fine, allow me to ask, how did you come to the understanding you presently espouse?”

Please, let us know.
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« Reply #65 on: July 18, 2010, 08:38:10 PM »

Ras Salem,

Please try listening to this recording:

http://www.myocn.net/index.php/20080612873/Special-Moments-in-Orthodoxy/Special-Moments-in-Orthodoxy-Trinitarian-Theology.html

It may give you a better idea of where we are coming from.
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« Reply #66 on: July 18, 2010, 09:18:23 PM »

Bless'ed Love To All,

I will definitly listen however where you stand is not the problem here.  Where I stand is the problem however I focus not on men and people.  I focus on the Father and I stand here where I am by choice and am not easily moved, so if everyone here can handle what I have to say then I suggest they buckle up because if none of you know what I speak of then I need to be here and you truelly are in for a ride, of course if you all are insecure about your info and feel you need me to leave.....Se'lah
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« Reply #67 on: July 18, 2010, 09:20:17 PM »

How does disagreeing with anything you've said constitute a lack of belief in Christ?  Especially when you’ve demonstrated that Christ ranks significantly lower in your cosmology than He does in ours?

Bless'ed Love To All,

  I never stated that either you did.  You felt thats what I was saying and it was not so thats your interpretation of whats there not whats there....Se'lah
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« Reply #68 on: July 18, 2010, 09:23:11 PM »

Anyone who can read “knows of what they speak” here because they can see how you were defining the terms in question when you first started posting, and how you’ve amended those definitions since dialoguing with other posters on these boards.


Bless'ed Love To All, 
  look at all my post none of my views have changed.  you mean your interpretation of my views is what made you think I know not what I speak of. I have changed no words you just didnt accept the context in which the words were wpoken.  thats not my problem thats yours....Se'lah
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« Reply #69 on: July 18, 2010, 09:25:01 PM »


I will definitly listen however where you stand is not the problem here. 

I think mutual understanding will be helpful in this discussion.  You've told us a lot about what you believe, and that has helped us to understand you better.  Now if you can understand us, we can have a real conversation.   Smiley
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« Reply #70 on: July 18, 2010, 09:28:05 PM »

Everyone,

I just posted the only audio I can think of that gives a basic explanation of the Holy Trinity. 

If anyone else can think of an audio or video they can link to, which gives a basic explanation about Christ or the Holy Trinity, that would probably be helpful.   Smiley
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« Reply #71 on: July 18, 2010, 09:42:38 PM »

Bless'ed Love To All,

I will definitly listen however where you stand is not the problem here.  Where I stand is the problem however I focus not on men and people.  I focus on the Father and I stand here where I am by choice and am not easily moved, so if everyone here can handle what I have to say then I suggest they buckle up because if none of you know what I speak of then I need to be here and you truelly are in for a ride, of course if you all are insecure about your info and feel you need me to leave.....Se'lah

See, that’s the attitude I was talking about.  You’re acting as if you’re here to teach people.  Teach them what?  The wisdom of these new age so-called Melchizedek Order types?  That’s neither ancient nor wisdom.

How does disagreeing with anything you've said constitute a lack of belief in Christ?  Especially when you’ve demonstrated that Christ ranks significantly lower in your cosmology than He does in ours?

Bless'ed Love To All,

  I never stated that either you did.  You felt thats what I was saying and it was not so thats your interpretation of whats there not whats there....Se'lah

No, you did indeed state that, as you stated that Our Lord Jesus Christ was not God.  Go back and read your own post.  That’s not my “interpretation”, that’s what you wrote in multiple posts.  Hiding behind “interpretation” doesn’t help.

Anyone who can read “knows of what they speak” here because they can see how you were defining the terms in question when you first started posting, and how you’ve amended those definitions since dialoguing with other posters on these boards.


Bless'ed Love To All, 
  look at all my post none of my views have changed.  you mean your interpretation of my views is what made you think I know not what I speak of. I have changed no words you just didnt accept the context in which the words were wpoken.  thats not my problem thats yours....Se'lah

Again, trying to hide behind “interpretation” doesn’t help.  You started out defining “Tewhedo” and “Orthodox” one way, and ended up defining them another after being repeatedly probed and corrected by numerous posters.  Now you’re defining “begotten” in a fallacious manner, but since deusveritasest and I have called you on that, you’ll probably back off of that too and claim we’re misinterpreting you.


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« Reply #72 on: July 18, 2010, 11:31:11 PM »

If the world is only 7000 years old how did they find human remains more than 3 million years old in Ethiopia......Se'lah


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If the world is only 7000 years old how did they find human remains more than 3 million years old in Ethiopia......Se'lah
You believe what Babylon tells you. I believe what the ancient and mystical Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church teaches.
The EOTC actually teaches that the world is 7000 years old? On what do they base this teaching?
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« Reply #74 on: July 19, 2010, 05:47:10 PM »

I think it is based on the Book of Jubilees, which is part of the Ethiopian canon.  I think it was discussed here:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,23347.0.html
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« Reply #75 on: July 19, 2010, 09:07:09 PM »

From time to time, occultists like Ras Salem will dabble in "exoteric" churches like Orthodoxy or Catholicism. You see this among many Masons, Rosicrucians, "Traditionalists," etc. They might borrow things from Orthodoxy while teaching what amounts to a completely different religion. It gives them a feeling of legitimacy and also it gets them some attention. And then there are also Gnostic "churches" claiming apostolic succession through some vagante bishop. But of course Ras Salem has some inner knowledge of what Christianity really teaches, and anyone who disagrees can only be ignorant or deluded, shut out from the inner circle of initiates.
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« Reply #76 on: July 20, 2010, 02:52:03 AM »

I think it is based on the Book of Jubilees, which is part of the Ethiopian canon.  I think it was discussed here:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,23347.0.html

Yes. Specifically reply #30.



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« Reply #77 on: July 20, 2010, 02:53:03 AM »

From time to time, occultists like Ras Salem will dabble in "exoteric" churches like Orthodoxy or Catholicism. You see this among many Masons, Rosicrucians, "Traditionalists," etc. They might borrow things from Orthodoxy while teaching what amounts to a completely different religion. It gives them a feeling of legitimacy and also it gets them some attention. And then there are also Gnostic "churches" claiming apostolic succession through some vagante bishop. But of course Ras Salem has some inner knowledge of what Christianity really teaches, and anyone who disagrees can only be ignorant or deluded, shut out from the inner circle of initiates.


Yep. I think you have summarized it well.



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« Reply #78 on: July 20, 2010, 11:29:58 AM »

From time to time, occultists like Ras Salem will dabble in "exoteric" churches like Orthodoxy or Catholicism. You see this among many Masons, Rosicrucians, "Traditionalists," etc. They might borrow things from Orthodoxy while teaching what amounts to a completely different religion. It gives them a feeling of legitimacy and also it gets them some attention. And then there are also Gnostic "churches" claiming apostolic succession through some vagante bishop. But of course Ras Salem has some inner knowledge of what Christianity really teaches, and anyone who disagrees can only be ignorant or deluded, shut out from the inner circle of initiates.

You hit the nail right on the head.  And since so many in the West are unfamiliar with Orthodoxy (especially of the Ethiopian variety) and we seem a little "exotic" to the "average Joe" to begin with, it's easy for these occultists to muddy the waters as to what we actually believe.  It took a long time for me to convince a very devout Protestant friend of mine that the Ethiopian Orthodox didn't smoke weed and worship Haile Selassie because she had encounted so many Rastas who did just that and represented themselves to her as "Ethiopian Orthodox".  Even on these boards, we witnessed people (Orthodox Christians) asking Ras Salem if "all Ethiopian Orthodox" believed the same as him.

Part of that is our fault, and that's a big part of why I felt the need to respond to his posts.  As Orthodox, we need to get the word out there about who we are and what we believe.
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« Reply #79 on: July 20, 2010, 01:58:16 PM »

From time to time, occultists like Ras Salem will dabble in "exoteric" churches like Orthodoxy or Catholicism. You see this among many Masons, Rosicrucians, "Traditionalists," etc. They might borrow things from Orthodoxy while teaching what amounts to a completely different religion. It gives them a feeling of legitimacy and also it gets them some attention. And then there are also Gnostic "churches" claiming apostolic succession through some vagante bishop. But of course Ras Salem has some inner knowledge of what Christianity really teaches, and anyone who disagrees can only be ignorant or deluded, shut out from the inner circle of initiates.

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  who are you?  what are you talkin about, and how did you come to the summation that Im a part of any occult anythng.  WOW  unfortunatly for you Im none of those.  I dont need your attention because you cant save my soul so now you might have ran across people that you would like to associate me with but you're wrong and I didnt associate you with what I call Holy Rollers those people who look down on others because they dont go to church in the same place or have different views.  The bottom line is you all got offended when what you shouldve did was prey for me which you still havent because you're still trynna prove something that you can cause you dont know.  Now for all you Loving people who truely love the Father and not these fanatics who are indeed supreme but merely human like the rest of us.......prey for us especially me because let these people tell Im busting hell wide open ..........Se'lah
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« Reply #80 on: July 20, 2010, 03:57:12 PM »

Ras- could you please use the "quote" option in the upper right hand of the post you want to quote. That would make your posts much easier to read. Right now it is often difficult to discern where the quote you are referencing ends and your post begins.
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« Reply #81 on: July 20, 2010, 04:02:29 PM »

Ras,

It would be helpful if you could describe what you do believe in relation to the excerpts which have been provided from various theosophical and occult websites.

Do you believe ANY of this material?

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« Reply #82 on: July 20, 2010, 04:05:03 PM »

Bless'ed Love To All,

Im very sorry for that Im new to the site and all the functions I havent worked out yet however I always give the salutation "Bless'ed Love To All" before I address the subject at hand.  I would like to say that if you like we can have a decent conversation about this information if you so choose.  As you can see its very contraversial and I've been asked to leave it alone.  I am willing to talk with you about whatever but this doesnt seem to be the place for that.  You may send a personal e-mail if you like...... Se'lah
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Beloved Father Peter I would like to start by saying thank you.  Even though I know that we might not agree on the information at least I dont feel like you're out to get me LOL.  As I stated before this post this seems like it is not the place for this information.  Im not here to make anyone feel disrespected, uncomfortable, wrong, right or anything of that nature.  If you would like to send a personal e-mail to further discuss this matter know that it will be accepted with Love,Understanding and Compassion knowing that we seek the same goal.  the FAther.... Se'lah
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« Reply #84 on: July 20, 2010, 04:26:11 PM »

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Yes Salpy now you see why I wrote you personally and why I said to you what I said.  Which is why you made the statements that you made  about this particular thread.  Now as you can see this man is insecure in what he claims he knows otherwise he wouldve stuck to the subject like most people of intelligence would instead of trying to call me on somethng he went and googled and found AFTER he got upset with my commnts which shows that he still has a lot to learn, but anyway SALPY Im glad to see that at least you have the sense to know that just because my views are different doesnt mean that YOU are inferior as this man obviously feels.  Now Salpy why didnt you get offended even though you and I clearly see that this man did.  Now I wonder why that is.  He even stop giving his salutation after a whle so you know like I do.....Se'lah

From time to time, occultists like Ras Salem will dabble in "exoteric" churches like Orthodoxy or Catholicism. You see this among many Masons, Rosicrucians, "Traditionalists," etc. They might borrow things from Orthodoxy while teaching what amounts to a completely different religion. It gives them a feeling of legitimacy and also it gets them some attention. And then there are also Gnostic "churches" claiming apostolic succession through some vagante bishop. But of course Ras Salem has some inner knowledge of what Christianity really teaches, and anyone who disagrees can only be ignorant or deluded, shut out from the inner circle of initiates.

Bless'ed Love To All,

  who are you?  what are you talkin about, and how did you come to the summation that Im a part of any occult anythng.  WOW  unfortunatly for you Im none of those.  I dont need your attention because you cant save my soul so now you might have ran across people that you would like to associate me with but you're wrong and I didnt associate you with what I call Holy Rollers those people who look down on others because they dont go to church in the same place or have different views.  The bottom line is you all got offended when what you shouldve did was prey for me which you still havent because you're still trynna prove something that you can cause you dont know.  Now for all you Loving people who truely love the Father and not these fanatics who are indeed supreme but merely human like the rest of us.......prey for us especially me because let these people tell Im busting hell wide open ..........Se'lah

LOL!  He even stop (sic) giving his salutation after awhile? LOL!

And I suppose it’s better to give a phony, insincere salutation and then spew bile and invective all over the screen like you do?  A hollow “blessed love” means nothing when followed by a venomous ad hominem attack and a ranting post devoid of all spiritual and academic value.

You are really predictable.  I knew you’d be back and that that ego of yours wouldn’t let you rest until you’d had the “last word”…which in your case would probably be a superfluous and inappropriately used “selah”.

Your self-delusion knows no bounds.  Here you are telling Salpy that she agrees with you and what her motives are, and she tells you flat out that you are wrong.  Since you can’t deny that, your next tactic will probably to go back to calling me “insecure”, which simply means you wish I’d stop playing the gadfly and let you carry on with your ranting and raving in peace, as if you really were a “high priest” and we really were “in for a ride” as you wowed us with your Dr. Bronner’s “wisdom”.

So you mentioned something I googled, and that would be the website of the Melchizedek Order/Order of White Light, which you’ve claimed to be a part of again and again, even claiming that, “If you do your history you will clearly see that the Melchizedek Order(also Brotherhood of the White Light) holds all the secrets to mankind ...”

(LOL! “do your history” LOL!)

Well, after “doing my history” what I clearly see is that the “order” you speak of is nothing more than a cult.  See the information posted below.  Those interested can see if this so-called “Melchizedek Order” qualifies as an occult organization or not.

And again, in your clairvoyance, you see fit to tell us which of us are “preying” for you and which are not, because we couldn’t possibly be PRAYING for you and simultaneously refuting what you’re “trynna prove” on here by bombarding us with a deluge of cultic ramblings.

Yeah, based not only on your unbalanced behavior and what you’ve posted here, but also on what the “Melchizedek Order” has to say about itself on the web, I’d say Iconodule characterized you and your organization with cutting accuracy.


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I AM Machiventa Melchizedek, and I do welcome all of you into the fold so to speak of the Melchizedek Order. One energetic in origin, yet anchored securely into the earth plane now. We give you this great gift out of love, and a need to aid you remember who you truly are.

Gathering are forces to aid you, humanity out of the slumber which has you locked into materialism and short sighted thinking. Not taking into consideration are you the present extreme state of decline of this planet. So it is our wish to give you words on a regular basis to grasp the reigns so to speak, and pull up the bolting horse of consumption of resources and environment decline.

I offer you with my beloved vessel, a source of love and truth, to walk you safely through these troublesome times. Accepting love is the key, will you walk these troublesome times, accepting love is the key? Will you walk willingly now as Melchizedek's, opening to your divine heritage and hear this wake up call?

I call out to all Melchizedek's to now awaken, and live life fully aware of all your potentials to do good, but equally you have the power to misuse energy, and this comes with a responsibility. I ask each and every one of you now to awaken. This invitation rides the waves, the flow so to speak of energetic changes which have recently flowed, issuing you with new vibrational frequencies to aid your expansion of consciousness, to halt the decay which has taken place.

Rationalism would say keep jobs at all cost, the environment can wait. Not so! This opportunity comes but once, and all are invited to shift, and shift you must. The result if not changed from this present course is one of environmental suicide, taking with you this planet you call home. Gluttony for resources and personal needs has placed you humanity into a state of flux. Make no move to shift with positive actions the course before you and the outcome is not pleasant.

Joyful memories are of course important to those of you who value relationships, and it is no different with those of who represent the Spiritual Hierarchy, Great White Brotherhood and Sisterhood of Light. All value relationships. What we see as important, nay vital to the evolution of the species, of humanity, is the extinguishment of fear, and for this purpose I have come to ask my beloved vessel Virginia Melchizedek, to take into her heart those in need, and in this process put in place the Order of Melchizedek. When done, completed, this web page, this will be a means of communication between those who represent the Great White Brotherhood and Sisterhood of Light, and those in body, those incarnated souls who have always represented the Melchizedek Order, and given that I Am Lord Machiventa Melchizedek, I have asked of my Beloved vessel that this webpage be provided free, open to all souls.

Inclusion has always been our way, offering that great path of Light and transforming those who seek to evolve and take the world with them. So it is that the Melchizedek Order is now available, (in Picton Australia), and with my Beloved vessel as my earthly representative I will give words of courage to those in need of such advise, and words to awaken those who do not issue from love. It is our expectation within this Melchizedek Order, the Great Work of recovery of humanity will be completed. Energetically aligned in heaven as on earth, as above so below, we ground now the Order of Melchizedek into this dimensional doorway, to beckon come all yee who love God and love others as thyself.

I Machiventa Melchizedek welcome you to this first introductory response, and ask of you if your soul calls out in recognition that you are summoned home so to speak, read these words and pass this information onto others. It is our expectation monthly newsletters will become available, to be issued at your request. ( when possible )

We stand at the doorway of change, unprecedented, activated and now speeding up. Cataclysmic events opening the mind of those previously closed to the impacts mankind has made upon this planet you call earth. We stand with you every step of the journey, and each and every one of you with activation of your memory codes will recognise truths when you see it, and hear truth within the heart.

My role is to beckon and call all to the light of understanding, to say to you now awaken my children. Stand up and be counted. Arrive wearing the seamless garment of truth. Speak only now of optimistic views. See hope as the chalice we bring, this vessel and I. I offer you this chalice of hope with an explanation. It is to prepare the way for Christ who is come into existence of hearts and minds open to such energy, but my children, has it been so long that you have forgotten your part at this time as planetary healers? Speak softly they say, and I would agree. Love your neighbour as yourself. Open the heart and speak openly of truth denied.

You enter a time of unprecedented change, monumental are the shifts which just occurred over the past year, (December 06-January 08) and necessarily it is so you see this time as structured for ethics and truth to reign supreme. We have given you energies of preparation, and given that this rainbow light beckons to all, shall you say, I will awaken and take up my chalice and offer hope to all.

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I think it is based on the Book of Jubilees, which is part of the Ethiopian canon.  I think it was discussed here:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,23347.0.html
Yes. Specifically reply #30.
I see. Seems to me to be a case of people taking Scripture waaaaaay too literally.

I see also, Gebre, that you never actually substantiated your claim in that thread that "evolutionists support abortion." I asked you to 1) prove the existence of "evolutionists" and 2) to show that this demographic tend to support abortions. You completely ignored me, and when the thread ran its natural course, I gave up, not wanting to perpetuate the discussion for that reason alone. However, now that the discussion has resurfaced, would you like to either substantiate or retract that claim?
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« Reply #86 on: July 20, 2010, 04:46:55 PM »

Is there a reason you are addressing that subject in this thread?  Couldn't that be another thread in another place?
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Is there a reason you are addressing that subject in this thread?  Couldn't that be another thread in another place?
It's just as relevant here as it was in that thread.
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« Reply #88 on: July 20, 2010, 04:50:04 PM »

LOL!  He even stop (sic) giving his salutation after awhile? LOL!

And I suppose it’s better to give a phony, insincere salutation and then spew bile and invective all over the screen like you do?  A hollow “blessed love” means nothing when followed by a venomous ad hominem attack and a ranting post devoid of all spiritual and academic value.

You are really predictable.  I knew you’d be back and that that ego of yours wouldn’t let you rest until you’d had the “last word”…which in your case would probably be a superfluous and inappropriately used “selah”.

Your self-delusion knows no bounds.  Here you are telling Salpy that she agrees with you and what her motives are, and she tells you flat out that you are wrong.  Since you can’t deny that, your next tactic will probably to go back to calling me “insecure”, which simply means you wish I’d stop playing the gadfly and let you carry on with your ranting and raving in peace, as if you really were a “high priest” and we really were “in for a ride” as you wowed us with your Dr. Bronner’s “wisdom”.

So you mentioned something I googled, and that would be the website of the Melchizedek Order/Order of White Light, which you’ve claimed to be a part of again and again, even claiming that, “If you do your history you will clearly see that the Melchizedek Order(also Brotherhood of the White Light) holds all the secrets to mankind ...”

(LOL! “do your history” LOL!)

Well, after “doing my history” what I clearly see is that the “order” you speak of is nothing more than a cult.  See the information posted below.  Those interested can see if this so-called “Melchizedek Order” qualifies as an occult organization or not.

And again, in your clairvoyance, you see fit to tell us which of us are “preying” for you and which are not, because we couldn’t possibly be PRAYING for you and simultaneously refuting what you’re “trynna prove” on here by bombarding us with a deluge of cultic ramblings.

Yeah, based not only on your unbalanced behavior and what you’ve posted here, but also on what the “Melchizedek Order” has to say about itself on the web, I’d say Iconodule characterized you and your organization with cutting accuracy.


http://www.newyorkawareness.com/Ordinationpriestnewyork.asp

http://www.wingsinc.com.au/melchizedek/melchizedek2.html

Lord Machiventa Melchizedek Introduces the Melchizedek Order   


Opportunity comes amid rapid yet beneficial changes which grant us time to step in so to speak to aid humanity past a time of expansion of consciousness, but to enlist your support in this conversion of consciousness.


I AM Machiventa Melchizedek, and I do welcome all of you into the fold so to speak of the Melchizedek Order. One energetic in origin, yet anchored securely into the earth plane now. We give you this great gift out of love, and a need to aid you remember who you truly are.

Gathering are forces to aid you, humanity out of the slumber which has you locked into materialism and short sighted thinking. Not taking into consideration are you the present extreme state of decline of this planet. So it is our wish to give you words on a regular basis to grasp the reigns so to speak, and pull up the bolting horse of consumption of resources and environment decline.

I offer you with my beloved vessel, a source of love and truth, to walk you safely through these troublesome times. Accepting love is the key, will you walk these troublesome times, accepting love is the key? Will you walk willingly now as Melchizedek's, opening to your divine heritage and hear this wake up call?

I call out to all Melchizedek's to now awaken, and live life fully aware of all your potentials to do good, but equally you have the power to misuse energy, and this comes with a responsibility. I ask each and every one of you now to awaken. This invitation rides the waves, the flow so to speak of energetic changes which have recently flowed, issuing you with new vibrational frequencies to aid your expansion of consciousness, to halt the decay which has taken place.

Rationalism would say keep jobs at all cost, the environment can wait. Not so! This opportunity comes but once, and all are invited to shift, and shift you must. The result if not changed from this present course is one of environmental suicide, taking with you this planet you call home. Gluttony for resources and personal needs has placed you humanity into a state of flux. Make no move to shift with positive actions the course before you and the outcome is not pleasant.

Joyful memories are of course important to those of you who value relationships, and it is no different with those of who represent the Spiritual Hierarchy, Great White Brotherhood and Sisterhood of Light. All value relationships. What we see as important, nay vital to the evolution of the species, of humanity, is the extinguishment of fear, and for this purpose I have come to ask my beloved vessel Virginia Melchizedek, to take into her heart those in need, and in this process put in place the Order of Melchizedek. When done, completed, this web page, this will be a means of communication between those who represent the Great White Brotherhood and Sisterhood of Light, and those in body, those incarnated souls who have always represented the Melchizedek Order, and given that I Am Lord Machiventa Melchizedek, I have asked of my Beloved vessel that this webpage be provided free, open to all souls.

Inclusion has always been our way, offering that great path of Light and transforming those who seek to evolve and take the world with them. So it is that the Melchizedek Order is now available, (in Picton Australia), and with my Beloved vessel as my earthly representative I will give words of courage to those in need of such advise, and words to awaken those who do not issue from love. It is our expectation within this Melchizedek Order, the Great Work of recovery of humanity will be completed. Energetically aligned in heaven as on earth, as above so below, we ground now the Order of Melchizedek into this dimensional doorway, to beckon come all yee who love God and love others as thyself.

I Machiventa Melchizedek welcome you to this first introductory response, and ask of you if your soul calls out in recognition that you are summoned home so to speak, read these words and pass this information onto others. It is our expectation monthly newsletters will become available, to be issued at your request. ( when possible )

We stand at the doorway of change, unprecedented, activated and now speeding up. Cataclysmic events opening the mind of those previously closed to the impacts mankind has made upon this planet you call earth. We stand with you every step of the journey, and each and every one of you with activation of your memory codes will recognise truths when you see it, and hear truth within the heart.

My role is to beckon and call all to the light of understanding, to say to you now awaken my children. Stand up and be counted. Arrive wearing the seamless garment of truth. Speak only now of optimistic views. See hope as the chalice we bring, this vessel and I. I offer you this chalice of hope with an explanation. It is to prepare the way for Christ who is come into existence of hearts and minds open to such energy, but my children, has it been so long that you have forgotten your part at this time as planetary healers? Speak softly they say, and I would agree. Love your neighbour as yourself. Open the heart and speak openly of truth denied.

You enter a time of unprecedented change, monumental are the shifts which just occurred over the past year, (December 06-January 08) and necessarily it is so you see this time as structured for ethics and truth to reign supreme. We have given you energies of preparation, and given that this rainbow light beckons to all, shall you say, I will awaken and take up my chalice and offer hope to all.

Earth, your living planet, Gaia as she is called.

 



Be nice.  You know better.  Insulting another poster doesn't convince him of your position and it just violates forum rules.
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« Reply #89 on: July 20, 2010, 04:51:26 PM »

Is there a reason you are addressing that subject in this thread?  Couldn't that be another thread in another place?
It's just as relevant here as it was in that thread.

I don't see it that way.  Please take the subject somewhere else.  I would consider it a personal favor.   Smiley
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« Reply #90 on: July 20, 2010, 05:02:59 PM »

LOL!  He even stop (sic) giving his salutation after awhile? LOL!

And I suppose it’s better to give a phony, insincere salutation and then spew bile and invective all over the screen like you do?  A hollow “blessed love” means nothing when followed by a venomous ad hominem attack and a ranting post devoid of all spiritual and academic value.

You are really predictable.  I knew you’d be back and that that ego of yours wouldn’t let you rest until you’d had the “last word”…which in your case would probably be a superfluous and inappropriately used “selah”.

Your self-delusion knows no bounds.  Here you are telling Salpy that she agrees with you and what her motives are, and she tells you flat out that you are wrong.  Since you can’t deny that, your next tactic will probably to go back to calling me “insecure”, which simply means you wish I’d stop playing the gadfly and let you carry on with your ranting and raving in peace, as if you really were a “high priest” and we really were “in for a ride” as you wowed us with your Dr. Bronner’s “wisdom”.

So you mentioned something I googled, and that would be the website of the Melchizedek Order/Order of White Light, which you’ve claimed to be a part of again and again, even claiming that, “If you do your history you will clearly see that the Melchizedek Order(also Brotherhood of the White Light) holds all the secrets to mankind ...”

(LOL! “do your history” LOL!)

Well, after “doing my history” what I clearly see is that the “order” you speak of is nothing more than a cult.  See the information posted below.  Those interested can see if this so-called “Melchizedek Order” qualifies as an occult organization or not.

And again, in your clairvoyance, you see fit to tell us which of us are “preying” for you and which are not, because we couldn’t possibly be PRAYING for you and simultaneously refuting what you’re “trynna prove” on here by bombarding us with a deluge of cultic ramblings.

Yeah, based not only on your unbalanced behavior and what you’ve posted here, but also on what the “Melchizedek Order” has to say about itself on the web, I’d say Iconodule characterized you and your organization with cutting accuracy.


http://www.newyorkawareness.com/Ordinationpriestnewyork.asp

http://www.wingsinc.com.au/melchizedek/melchizedek2.html

Lord Machiventa Melchizedek Introduces the Melchizedek Order  


Opportunity comes amid rapid yet beneficial changes which grant us time to step in so to speak to aid humanity past a time of expansion of consciousness, but to enlist your support in this conversion of consciousness.


I AM Machiventa Melchizedek, and I do welcome all of you into the fold so to speak of the Melchizedek Order. One energetic in origin, yet anchored securely into the earth plane now. We give you this great gift out of love, and a need to aid you remember who you truly are.

Gathering are forces to aid you, humanity out of the slumber which has you locked into materialism and short sighted thinking. Not taking into consideration are you the present extreme state of decline of this planet. So it is our wish to give you words on a regular basis to grasp the reigns so to speak, and pull up the bolting horse of consumption of resources and environment decline.

I offer you with my beloved vessel, a source of love and truth, to walk you safely through these troublesome times. Accepting love is the key, will you walk these troublesome times, accepting love is the key? Will you walk willingly now as Melchizedek's, opening to your divine heritage and hear this wake up call?

I call out to all Melchizedek's to now awaken, and live life fully aware of all your potentials to do good, but equally you have the power to misuse energy, and this comes with a responsibility. I ask each and every one of you now to awaken. This invitation rides the waves, the flow so to speak of energetic changes which have recently flowed, issuing you with new vibrational frequencies to aid your expansion of consciousness, to halt the decay which has taken place.

Rationalism would say keep jobs at all cost, the environment can wait. Not so! This opportunity comes but once, and all are invited to shift, and shift you must. The result if not changed from this present course is one of environmental suicide, taking with you this planet you call home. Gluttony for resources and personal needs has placed you humanity into a state of flux. Make no move to shift with positive actions the course before you and the outcome is not pleasant.

Joyful memories are of course important to those of you who value relationships, and it is no different with those of who represent the Spiritual Hierarchy, Great White Brotherhood and Sisterhood of Light. All value relationships. What we see as important, nay vital to the evolution of the species, of humanity, is the extinguishment of fear, and for this purpose I have come to ask my beloved vessel Virginia Melchizedek, to take into her heart those in need, and in this process put in place the Order of Melchizedek. When done, completed, this web page, this will be a means of communication between those who represent the Great White Brotherhood and Sisterhood of Light, and those in body, those incarnated souls who have always represented the Melchizedek Order, and given that I Am Lord Machiventa Melchizedek, I have asked of my Beloved vessel that this webpage be provided free, open to all souls.

Inclusion has always been our way, offering that great path of Light and transforming those who seek to evolve and take the world with them. So it is that the Melchizedek Order is now available, (in Picton Australia), and with my Beloved vessel as my earthly representative I will give words of courage to those in need of such advise, and words to awaken those who do not issue from love. It is our expectation within this Melchizedek Order, the Great Work of recovery of humanity will be completed. Energetically aligned in heaven as on earth, as above so below, we ground now the Order of Melchizedek into this dimensional doorway, to beckon come all yee who love God and love others as thyself.

I Machiventa Melchizedek welcome you to this first introductory response, and ask of you if your soul calls out in recognition that you are summoned home so to speak, read these words and pass this information onto others. It is our expectation monthly newsletters will become available, to be issued at your request. ( when possible )

We stand at the doorway of change, unprecedented, activated and now speeding up. Cataclysmic events opening the mind of those previously closed to the impacts mankind has made upon this planet you call earth. We stand with you every step of the journey, and each and every one of you with activation of your memory codes will recognise truths when you see it, and hear truth within the heart.

My role is to beckon and call all to the light of understanding, to say to you now awaken my children. Stand up and be counted. Arrive wearing the seamless garment of truth. Speak only now of optimistic views. See hope as the chalice we bring, this vessel and I. I offer you this chalice of hope with an explanation. It is to prepare the way for Christ who is come into existence of hearts and minds open to such energy, but my children, has it been so long that you have forgotten your part at this time as planetary healers? Speak softly they say, and I would agree. Love your neighbour as yourself. Open the heart and speak openly of truth denied.

You enter a time of unprecedented change, monumental are the shifts which just occurred over the past year, (December 06-January 08) and necessarily it is so you see this time as structured for ethics and truth to reign supreme. We have given you energies of preparation, and given that this rainbow light beckons to all, shall you say, I will awaken and take up my chalice and offer hope to all.

Earth, your living planet, Gaia as she is called.

 



Be nice.  You know better.  Insulting another poster doesn't convince him of your position and it just violates forum rules.


You got it, boss. Wink

Even though I've been receiving low blows all night, I'll do my best to keep all mine above the beltline from here on in.  Grin

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Bless'ed Love To All,

Im very sorry for that Im new to the site and all the functions I havent worked out yet however I always give the salutation "Bless'ed Love To All" before I address the subject at hand.  I would like to say that if you like we can have a decent conversation about this information if you so choose.  As you can see its very contraversial and I've been asked to leave it alone.  I am willing to talk with you about whatever but this doesnt seem to be the place for that.  You may send a personal e-mail if you like...... Se'lah

By who?  No one asked you to "leave it alone".  Just keep it civil when the information you advance is contradicted (as you must realize it inevitably will be).

Bless'ed Love To All

Im not here to make anyone feel disrespected, uncomfortable, wrong, right or anything of that nature.  

Except, of course, the people you attack in just such a manner, including the good father himself when you dismissed him as “oh supreme and knowledgible one” for daring to contradict you.

Despite my sometimes flippant attitude and your misrepresentation of my motives and character, I'm not a contentious individual, and I invite you to continue this debate sans ad hominem attacks from either side.
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« Reply #91 on: July 20, 2010, 08:18:17 PM »

I think it is based on the Book of Jubilees, which is part of the Ethiopian canon.  I think it was discussed here:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,23347.0.html
Yes. Specifically reply #30.
I see. Seems to me to be a case of people taking Scripture waaaaaay too literally.

I see also, Gebre, that you never actually substantiated your claim in that thread that "evolutionists support abortion." I asked you to 1) prove the existence of "evolutionists" and 2) to show that this demographic tend to support abortions. You completely ignored me, and when the thread ran its natural course, I gave up, not wanting to perpetuate the discussion for that reason alone. However, now that the discussion has resurfaced, would you like to either substantiate or retract that claim?


Seems like a whole separate issue, but I'll try to indulge you anyway.

I contend that the majority of atheistic evolutionists favor keeping abortion legal. I haven't done a study on it, but if you show me evidence to the contrary then I'll change my contention. My contention is based on personal experience, the reading I have done, the political positions held by those who believe in evolution, and other factors. I make no claim to empirically verifiable data, but I would be shocked if evidence could prove my contention wrong. As for "theistic evolutionists," I don't really know and don't really care, since the position of theistic evolution is the most philosophically and scientifically untenable position out of the three (Creationism, atheisitc evolution, theistic evolution.) But I imagine that most evolutionists within the Church would say they are "personally opposed to abortion." What that means as far as the reality of how it actually effects abortion is anybody's guess.

But hey, I'll start a poll about it.

Here:
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,28903.0.html


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« Reply #92 on: July 20, 2010, 09:15:46 PM »

Thank you for starting another thread, Gebre.  I'm going to ask that the subject hereinafter be addressed there.
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« Reply #93 on: July 23, 2010, 09:24:23 PM »

From time to time, occultists like Ras Salem will dabble in "exoteric" churches like Orthodoxy or Catholicism. You see this among many Masons, Rosicrucians, "Traditionalists," etc. They might borrow things from Orthodoxy while teaching what amounts to a completely different religion. It gives them a feeling of legitimacy and also it gets them some attention. And then there are also Gnostic "churches" claiming apostolic succession through some vagante bishop. But of course Ras Salem has some inner knowledge of what Christianity really teaches, and anyone who disagrees can only be ignorant or deluded, shut out from the inner circle of initiates.

Yeah, it reminds me of what some of the early christians were going through with the ancient gnostics. Hmm, I wonder if Enoch and Ras Salem are part of the same group?







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« Reply #94 on: July 24, 2010, 12:36:12 AM »

Thank you, Gebre. I have been reading the thread you created, though I have not posted in it. I am mainly interested to hear what others have to say.
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