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« on: December 06, 2004, 12:06:50 PM »

For those of you who are married here, what kind of crowns did you use at your wedding?  Were they ornate affairs, or home made flower ones?  It seems to me that it's more of a Greek custom to use the flower ones and a Russian one to go for the golden coronet-type crowns, but I could be way off base.
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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2004, 12:48:43 PM »

I think you're right for the most part.  We're planning on going with the flowers.
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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2004, 01:47:05 PM »

Ukrainians (and I would say Carpatho-Rusins probably historically) traditionally use crowns woven of "barvinok" periwinkle.  

I don't think in any event that the flowery crowns used most commonly among "the Greeks" are home-made, I think they are made by specialists.  Metal crown as also used among Greeks.
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« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2004, 03:20:26 PM »

Ukrainians (and I would say Carpatho-Rusins probably historically) traditionally use crowns woven of "barvinok" periwinkle.  

I don't think in any event that the flowery crowns used most commonly among "the Greeks" are home-made, I think they are made by specialists.  Metal crown as also used among Greeks.

Probably true, TonyS, but when the then future Mrs. Aristokles saw the price of the specialist made crowns she exclaimed, "I can make these better for a quarter the cost!". And she did, too  Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2004, 03:27:34 PM »

I got my metal crowns for 200 bucks from liturgix.com!
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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2004, 04:33:03 PM »

Probably true, TonyS, but when the then future Mrs. Aristokles saw the price of the specialist made crowns she exclaimed, "I can make these better for a quarter the cost!". And she did, too  Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2004, 07:30:00 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2004, 12:42:18 PM »

 We had metal crowns. They were fancier than some and not as fancy as others.  The crowns were not adjustable either, as it didn't quite fit on my husbands head. Our walk around the tetrapod was spent trying to keep it from falling off.    Tongue
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2004, 01:00:46 PM »

We had metal crowns. They were fancier than some and not as fancy as others.  The crowns were not adjustable either, as it didn't quite fit on my husbands head. Our walk around the tetrapod was spent trying to keep it from falling off.    Tongue

It was similar with me, but my grandmother-in-law sewed fabric inside the crown and that helped keep it on.

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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2004, 01:42:46 PM »

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We had metal crowns. They were fancier than some and not as fancy as others.  The crowns were not adjustable either, as it didn't quite fit on my husbands head. Our walk around the tetrapod was spent trying to keep it from falling off.

Interesting. In all the Russian-style Orthodox weddings I've seen (which, admittedly, haven't been that many), the crowns have been held above the couple's heads by, er, other people who walk behind them.
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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2004, 02:01:14 PM »

I read that was because the czar didn't want people besides himself having on a crown. In the Carpatho Rusyn and if I am not mistaken Serbian custom, that never developed.  In many OCA parishes, the older practice is making a comeback.

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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2004, 04:24:25 PM »

My wife and I used Greek-style floral crowns that just sat there on our heads..... she said she didn't want her maid of honor to hate her for having to hold a metal crown over her head for 30 min or so.  We still have them, though they're decaying like dried flowers do.......

A couple of months ago we were sponsors though..... man that hurt!  I felt like a huge wimp..... didn't think it would be a big deal holding the crown but it seemed like forever.... definitely got you right in the biceps and deltoids, complicated by the difficult-to-move-in tuxedo.  Should have done more pushups in preparation!  The church had metal crowns, so no one had to buy any.

When are metal crowns worn?  I thought they were just held over the head?
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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2004, 04:36:33 PM »

Are some of you buying metal crowns even when the church you go to already has a set? Just curious.

My husband and I were married back in Moscow and of course, the crowns never touched our heads. We teased our friends about their aching arms as well!

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« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2004, 04:39:28 PM »

My church does have a set, but my fiancee found those little boxes where you can keep your wedding crowns in the family icon corner and she's fallen in love with that idea.  Of course, she has no idea what she wants at this point so I may just go with the ones we have at our church Smiley

Plus there's the whole idea of my best man holding a crown over my head.  I'm 6'5".  He's barely 5'4".  You do the math. Wink
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« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2004, 05:31:56 PM »

"When are metal crowns worn?  I thought they were just held over the head?"

During the duration in the Carpatho Rusyn and if I am not mistaken Serbian traditions, and the pre-Peter the Great Russian tradition.

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« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2004, 07:29:45 PM »

And here I always thought it was in imitation of icons where you see the little crowns floating above people's heads.
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« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2004, 08:50:13 PM »

Metal and jewelled crown held over our heads by the crown bearers. My best friend had flowery ones. Holding them is quite tiring........
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« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2005, 01:00:33 PM »

I read that was because the czar didn't want people besides himself having on a crown. In the Carpatho Rusyn and if I am not mistaken Serbian custom, that never developed. In many OCA parishes, the older practice is making a comeback.

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When are metal crowns worn? I thought they were just held over the head?

No, holding the crowns came from women tending to have super hair-dos & tierras & kakoshniki (those Russian do-hickies) that interfered with the priest being able to actually place the crown on the bride's head.  I guess because someone back in the day decided it looked silly for just the bride to have her's held, they started holding the groom's as well

Hmmm, something just occured to me.  Back in the day when men wore wigs, and had to go to church, where men aren't supposed to wear headcoverings, did they go in with the wigs, or show respect to God and bare their bald spots... ?
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« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2005, 03:58:24 PM »

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For those of you who are married here, what kind of crowns did you use at your wedding? Were they ornate affairs, or home made flower ones? It seems to me that it's more of a Greek custom to use the flower ones and a Russian one to go for the golden coronet-type crowns, but I could be way off base.

My wife and I got married at an Antiochian parish, and we used the crowns that they had at the parish which were used by everyone who got married there. They were golden, and not extremely ornate (but not simple bands either).
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« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2005, 11:47:54 AM »

Well, my wife and I had a flower crown at our Ruthenian wedding.  Then, when we became Orthodox in the Serbian church, we had to go through it again.  The Serbian Church most definitely places the big crowns on the head.

Don't tell my current priest, but I prefer the flower crowns.  I guess I'm really in touch with my feminine side in that respect!
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« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2005, 05:32:41 PM »

Well, my wife and I had a flower crown at our Ruthenian wedding. Then, when we became Orthodox in the Serbian church, we had to go through it again. The Serbian Church most definitely places the big crowns on the head.

May I ask why you went through the wedding ceremony again?

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« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2005, 05:40:25 PM »

For those of you who are married here, what kind of crowns did you use at your wedding? Were they ornate affairs, or home made flower ones? It seems to me that it's more of a Greek custom to use the flower ones and a Russian one to go for the golden coronet-type crowns, but I could be way off base.

Among the Indian Orthodox (Malankara Chuch), they don't have the concept of wedding crown. Corresponding to this is the 'mantrakodi', an Indian silk dress embroidered with gold threads. This cloth is blessed by the priest during liturgy and placed like a veil on the bride’s head. After the ceremony she wears this silk dress. This is an ancient adaptation of an Indian custom in to the Orthodox church. All churches in India following the Malanakra rite of St. Thomas Christians keep this tradition.

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« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2005, 08:21:29 PM »

Actually, Paul, I believe we do have Crowning, although in India actual wedding crowns are not used; instead, a gold neck chain with a gold cross is used for bride and bridegroom.  Most people seem to think that when the bridegroom ties the minnu on the bride's neck, and places the mantrakodi over her head, the couple is married, but actuallly the sacrament "happens" before, when the bishop/priest takes these gold chains and, singing, waves them ceremoniously around their heads and finally places the chains on their necks himself.  I once saw a picture of a Syrian wedding in the Middle East where the couple used wedding crowns similar to those used by the Russians, and the priest did the same with them as our priests do with the gold chains (I hope someone with more knowledge about Middle Eastern practices will confirm/deny this).  The minnu and mantrakodi, as you said, are particular Indian traditions incorporated into the rite.   
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« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2005, 07:26:12 AM »

Hi,

My wife and I got married in Balinesti, Romania (that's a village near Siret, which is in Suceava county about 3km from the Ukrainian border). We used the wedding crowns belonging to the church - they were fairly simple, silver crowns. They were also worn on the head and not held above as the Russians do. This is normal practice in the Romanian church.

The case of my godmother's wedding is interesting, though. She is Romanian and her husband is Cypriot. Apparently the Greek Cypriots have a tradition of being buried in their (flower) wedding crowns, but they married in Sibiu (Romania). In order to keep both sides of the family happy they used both flower and metal crowns, with the flower ones wrapped around the metal ones. They, of course, kept the flower ones.

Is this tradition of being buried in the crowns a normal Greek one, does anyone know, or is it specific to the Cypriots? I know that the precise wedding customs vary a lot even within a local church - my godmother, for instance, didn't have sweets thrown in front of her when walking round the tetrapod, but we did as is the custom in Bucovina.

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« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2005, 02:29:14 PM »

Among the Indian Orthodox (Malankara Chuch), they don't have the concept of wedding crown. ƒ¯rresponding to this is the 'mantrakodi', an Indian silk dress embroidered with gold threads. This cloth is blessed by the priest during liturgy and placed like a veil on the brideGÇ–s head. After the ceremony she wears this silk dress. This is an ancient adaptation of an Indian custom in to the Orthodox church. All churches in India following the Malanakra rite of St. Thomas Christians keep this tradition.

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 Hi Paul
            i am not sure you meant Orthodox Christians in India(IOC and SOC) or church in general,orthodox x'n both IOC and SOC do have wedding crown but tradionaly we use golden chain for this purpuse the presit bless it along with ring ,manthrakodi and minnu at first.the second part of wedding itself called Kirikidam vazhve (blessing of crown) thats the actual wedding ceremony for orthodox ;tieing minnu have no actual purpuse in x'n weding but its the tradition we adopt from hindus(which is cool any way) mantrakodi represent hindu's pudavakodal i think.

                       But crown sounds cool i wonder will bishop let me use a flower crown instead of chain for my wedding
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« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2005, 02:38:17 PM »

Wow!  This thread has been inactive for a while.

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Because our bishop told us it was necessary.  There was some debate about it, apparently, because we had been crowned in our Ruthenian wedding.  I really didn't feel like getting into his reasoning at the time.
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« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2005, 12:16:18 PM »

I got my metal crowns for 200 bucks from liturgix.com!


oooh thanks for the tip.   I am aware of that site.   And have purhcased other things from them in the past.    But didnot think to look to them for this.


I'm on the verge of getting engaged where we are talking about what to do in regards to this.
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« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2010, 05:59:47 AM »

In Sibiu, but in all of Romania, who put the crown on the head of the couple have the following meanings: they are made to face crown that once crowned the kings and emperors. They imagine ornament, honor and reward that bring purity and virginity bride bride for whom they are crowned like kings, endowed with the power to give life to children born.
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