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Which ones of these former presidents of the US has the most appealing coat of arms?

Bill Clinton
2 (8%)
John F. Kennedy
4 (16%)
George Washington
10 (40%)
Ronald Reagan
9 (36%)

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Offline Robert W

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Heraldry knockout: US Presidents
« on: July 08, 2010, 07:12:20 PM »
In order to entertain the masses I present to you the first OC.net Heraldry knockout contest!

The heraldry knockout contest works like this: Everyone votes for the coat of arms they think looks the best. Remember that this is about the coat of arms of the presidents and not about the persons nor their policies :police:. The coat of arms that gets the most votes wins, the other ones are knocked out.  :-\ ;D

Bill Clinton


John F. Kennedy


George Washington


Ronald Reagan

All images from: http://www.americanheraldry.org

If this poll proves popular I will consider running another knockout, category suggestions are welcome (for example: Popes of Rome or European monarchs).

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Re: Heraldry knockout: US Presidents
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2010, 08:33:49 PM »
Writing as one who was once a pursuivant in the SCA from a heraldic point of view: Clinton's is too busy.  Reagan's doesn't look balanced with the two parts/scenes.  Kennedy's is quite striking with the Or helms on Sable and the ermine but with the "colour on a colour" affect of the gules border portions by the Sable is not quite right.  But Washington's is quite classic with simple and clean lines and a colour on a metal with the gules on Argent.  That's why I chose Washington.  Nothing having to do with politics, just my old days learning to blazon and help people design devices.  :)

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Re: Heraldry knockout: US Presidents
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2010, 08:53:12 PM »
I second Washington's.

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Re: Heraldry knockout: US Presidents
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2010, 08:55:01 PM »
Another in agreement: the simplicity of Washington's is its beauty.

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Re: Heraldry knockout: US Presidents
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2010, 09:07:06 PM »
Reagan's.  "Deeds not words" is at the very heart of my own personal credo.  He's also my favorite president, not that I am biased or anything. ;)
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Re: Heraldry knockout: US Presidents
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2010, 10:48:00 PM »
At this point I can reveal that I absolutely love the arms of George Washington. The harmony and simplicity is breathtaking.

..."colour on a colour" affect of the gules border portions by the Sable is not quite right.
I completely agree, in Scandinavia it is even anathema to have partitions in two colours unless there is a charge in metal covering a large part where two colours meet. For example, party per pale gules and azure would not be considered good heraldry. If however there would be a lion Or covering most of the partition it would be much more acceptable. Ideally though, colours should never touch.

Of the presidential arms here presented I like the one of Bill Clinton the least; five tinctures in total (including the crest) and lots of differing charges. It's ugly. I find it fascinating that the arms of Bill Clinton are granted by the Office of the Chief Herald of Ireland. How is such an internationally recognized heraldic institution able to produce such a bad piece of heraldry for such a public person as a US president?

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Re: Heraldry knockout: US Presidents
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2010, 09:24:55 AM »
It sounds like we're properly trained in the heraldic rules.  :)  That red and white striped lion is just bizarre and along with everything else the arms are far to busy and jarring.  The mask of tragedy just stuck on the horse in Reagan's crest bothers me, too.  It reminds me of a kid putting stickers on things.  Why would a horse have a mask stuck to one shoulder? 
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Re: Heraldry knockout: US Presidents
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2010, 09:33:42 AM »
I like Washington's; at first the crown through me off, but I interpret the image as a pheonix, that is a free democratic nation rising out of the ashes of a monarchy.
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Re: Heraldry knockout: US Presidents
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2010, 10:59:11 AM »
This is turning out to be quite an exciting race! Bill's arms aren't in it though ;D

EDIT: "Arms race"  :-X :D HAHA... sorry for the pun.
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Re: Heraldry knockout: US Presidents
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2010, 04:03:08 PM »
I like Washington's; at first the crown through me off, but I interpret the image as a pheonix, that is a free democratic nation rising out of the ashes of a monarchy.

Sorry, it's a raven.  Heraldic phoenixes have flames and are more colourful. Then again, it's amusing to think that the Baltimore football team's mascot is on the arms that are used for the D.C. ones.   :D
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Re: Heraldry knockout: US Presidents
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2010, 05:16:33 PM »
Looks like Ronald Reagan's coat of arms is ahead at the moment. I'm quite surprised actually.
I'm not declaring his arms winner yet though  :D

Next Heraldry knockout will be either scientists, autocephalous Churches, reigning monarchs, or Orthodox royal houses. Does any of these categories sound interesting?

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Re: Heraldry knockout: US Presidents
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2010, 05:20:37 PM »
Autocephalous Churches !!!
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Re: Heraldry knockout: US Presidents
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2010, 08:37:35 PM »
I'm intrigued by the idea of scientists' heraldry

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Re: Heraldry knockout: US Presidents
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2010, 10:04:05 PM »
I like George Washington's. It's simple, and has a consistent colour scheme with few images. I like Clinton's the least of the four.
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Re: Heraldry knockout: US Presidents
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2010, 07:26:07 AM »
It's a tight race between the arms of George Washington and Ronald Reagan. I don't think we can declare a winner just yet.  ;D

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Re: Heraldry knockout: US Presidents
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2010, 10:27:07 AM »
Washington's, for the "simplicity is best" argument.

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Re: Heraldry knockout: US Presidents
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2010, 02:25:39 AM »
I just have to post this. I found a quite cool emblazon of the coat of arms of JFK. The heraldic artist is Alexander Liptak.


John F. Kennedy

Source: http://www.heraldikasrbija.com/galerija/main.php?g2_itemId=9098
(if you, unlike me, know Serbian then you might find the rest of the site intresting http://www.heraldikasrbija.com)

Compare it to the version I posted earlier to see how much freedom a heraldic artist has in drawing a coat of arms.

John F. Kennedy

Source: http://www.americanheraldry.org/pages/index.php?n=President.Kennedy (read the full story of this coat of arms here)
Artist: Joseph McMillan

The following image is also available at www.americanheraldry.org

John F. Kennedy

Artist: Someone at the Office of the Chief Herald of Ireland  :D
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Re: Heraldry knockout: US Presidents
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2010, 10:28:37 AM »
Time to declare the winner! ...while my favourite is in the lead.

The winner is...


George Washington

Read the full story about this coat of arms here: http://www.americanheraldry.org/pages/index.php?n=President.Washington
Wikipedia also has an article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_George_Washington

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Heraldry knockout: Orthodox Churches
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,28772.0.html
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Re: Heraldry knockout: US Presidents
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2010, 12:40:57 PM »
...and somebody just had to go vote for the Reagan arms. >:( Not cool, I already told you who the winner is.  :P ;D

Ronald Reagan

Artist: Adolf Karlovský

Read the story of the Reagan coat of arms:
http://www.americanheraldry.org/pages/index.php?n=President.Reagan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Ronald_Reagan

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Re: Heraldry knockout: US Presidents
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2010, 12:55:38 PM »
It was a tough call, but I had to go with Washington's with JFK's as a very close seccond.

Edit: Just had to add - Reagan's and Clinton's were ugly.
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