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Re: Learning to pray with my wife.
« Reply #45 on: June 21, 2015, 11:44:04 AM »
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Re: Learning to pray with my wife.
« Reply #46 on: June 21, 2015, 06:11:09 PM »
How can someone pray with a person with whom you have sex
How can one not?

One hour they sin, next hour they pray, until one of them dies or divorces.

Where in our Holy Tradition is marital sex considered a sin?

Sex is not sin only when married couple is making a baby. I thought you guys knew that.

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Re: Learning to pray with my wife.
« Reply #47 on: June 21, 2015, 06:18:59 PM »
Sex is not sin only when married couple is making a baby. I thought you guys knew that.

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Read more widely.  The "Eastern" fathers aren't really encouraging married people to sex it up whenever they want. 
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Re: Learning to pray with my wife.
« Reply #48 on: June 21, 2015, 06:28:15 PM »
Sex is not sin only when married couple is making a baby. I thought you guys knew that.

Say the Latins

Read more widely.  The "Eastern" fathers aren't really encouraging married people to sex it up whenever they want.

"The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does" (I Cor. 7:4).

Canon 13 of the Quinisext Council upholds sex as a part of marriage, even for ordained men:
"Since we know it to be handed down as a rule of the Roman Church that those who are deemed worthy to be advanced to the diaconate or presbyterate should promise no longer to cohabit with their wives, we, preserving the ancient rule and apostolic perfection and order, will that the lawful marriages of men who are in holy orders be from this time forward firm, by no means dissolving their union with their wives nor depriving them of their mutual intercourse at a convenient time. Wherefore, if anyone shall have been found worthy to be ordained subdeacon, or deacon, or presbyter, he is by no means to be prohibited from admittance to such a rank, even if he shall live with a lawful wife. Nor shall it be demanded of him at the time of his ordination that he promise to abstain from lawful intercourse with his wife: lest we should affect injuriously marriage constituted by God and blessed by his presence, as the Gospel saith: 'What God hath joined together let no man put asunder'; and the Apostle saith, 'Marriage is honourable and the bed undefiled'; and again, 'Art thou bound to a wife? seek not to be loosed.'

Saint John Chrysostom instructs us: 'Their intercourse accomplishes the joining of their bodies, and they are made one, just as when perfume is mixed with ointment

"Neither is it necessary to allow for the possibility of conceiving, and thus having a large number of children, something you may not want" Saint John Chrysostom

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Re: Learning to pray with my wife.
« Reply #49 on: June 21, 2015, 06:41:20 PM »
You're on the right track, Czar Lazar.  Keep reading. 
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Re: Learning to pray with my wife.
« Reply #50 on: June 21, 2015, 06:41:56 PM »
BTW:

"Neither is it necessary to allow for the possibility of conceiving, and thus having a large number of children, something you may not want" Saint John Chrysostom

Do you have an exact citation for this?
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Re: Learning to pray with my wife.
« Reply #51 on: June 21, 2015, 06:53:49 PM »
How can someone pray with a person with whom you have sex
How can one not?

One hour they sin, next hour they pray, until one of them dies or divorces.

Where in our Holy Tradition is marital sex considered a sin?

Sex is not sin only when married couple is making a baby. I thought you guys knew that.

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Српска Православна Црква is correct, not Српске Православне Цркве. Српске Православне Цркве is plural.
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Re: Learning to pray with my wife.
« Reply #52 on: June 21, 2015, 07:14:13 PM »
BTW:

"Neither is it necessary to allow for the possibility of conceiving, and thus having a large number of children, something you may not want" Saint John Chrysostom

Do you have an exact citation for this?

Idk, I will have to go back and find it now.

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Re: Learning to pray with my wife.
« Reply #53 on: June 21, 2015, 07:15:42 PM »
How can someone pray with a person with whom you have sex
How can one not?

One hour they sin, next hour they pray, until one of them dies or divorces.

Where in our Holy Tradition is marital sex considered a sin?

Sex is not sin only when married couple is making a baby. I thought you guys knew that.

Say the Latins

Српска Православна Црква is correct, not Српске Православне Цркве. Српске Православне Цркве is plural.

Is this for me?
In reference to what?

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Re: Learning to pray with my wife.
« Reply #54 on: June 21, 2015, 07:19:25 PM »
I didn't get that either. :(

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Re: Learning to pray with my wife.
« Reply #55 on: June 21, 2015, 07:21:24 PM »
I think it it in reference to my avatar.
So, I am a member of SOC, I am not the SOC.
So, Српске not Српскa

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Re: Learning to pray with my wife.
« Reply #56 on: June 21, 2015, 07:21:45 PM »
How can someone pray with a person with whom you have sex
How can one not?

One hour they sin, next hour they pray, until one of them dies or divorces.

Where in our Holy Tradition is marital sex considered a sin?

Sex is not sin only when married couple is making a baby. I thought you guys knew that.

Say the Latins

Српска Православна Црква is correct, not Српске Православне Цркве. Српске Православне Цркве is plural.

Is this for me?
In reference to what?

Yes for you, fix your jurisdiction status.
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Re: Learning to pray with my wife.
« Reply #57 on: June 21, 2015, 07:24:11 PM »
I think it it in reference to my avatar.
So, I am a member of SOC, I am not the SOC.
So, Српске not Српскa

It is unnatural to put genitive in Serbian language in official proclamations.

When you fulfill documents, you put such things in nominative, not genitive. Even in verbal dialoge it sounds more natural to say Serbian Orthodox Church in nominative (Српска Православна Црква)

Doesn't matter anyway...
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Re: Learning to pray with my wife.
« Reply #58 on: June 21, 2015, 07:26:38 PM »
I think it it in reference to my avatar.
So, I am a member of SOC, I am not the SOC.
So, Српске not Српскa

It is unnatural to put genitive in Serbian language in official proclamations.

When you fulfill documents, you put such things in nominative, not genitive. Even in verbal dialoge it sounds more natural to say Serbian Orthodox Church in nominative (Српска Православна Црква)

Doesn't matter anyway...

I understand and somewhat agree.
I feel that this is not an "official proclamation" or "document", that in this context it is best; but perhaps you are right and I can adjust it.

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Re: Learning to pray with my wife.
« Reply #59 on: June 21, 2015, 07:31:53 PM »
Now, how can one pray with the wife, if the wife is not that much in to religion? That means husband bothers wife... It wouldn't be pleasant prayer. I can imagine, husband praying, and wife behind rolling her eyes. lol
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Re: Learning to pray with my wife.
« Reply #60 on: June 21, 2015, 07:35:56 PM »
Now, how can one pray with the wife, if the wife is not that much in to religion? That means husband bothers wife... It wouldn't be pleasant prayer. I can imagine, husband praying, and wife behind rolling her eyes. lol

Why marry a women who would do such a thing?

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Re: Learning to pray with my wife.
« Reply #61 on: June 25, 2015, 10:30:55 PM »
Now, how can one pray with the wife, if the wife is not that much in to religion? That means husband bothers wife... It wouldn't be pleasant prayer. I can imagine, husband praying, and wife behind rolling her eyes. lol

Why marry a women who would do such a thing?

Because you cant find anything better, for example?
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