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Offline Branthony

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be fruitful
« on: April 22, 2015, 09:02:18 AM »
How far do you think the "be fruitful" command goes for those of us who are married and can have children? I know that those of us who are married ave can have children should have children. Honestly I think that if you can have children but won't then you shouldn't be married. However is there a number on your fruitfulness? I mean if you stop having children after 2 or 3 (or 1 if you are so incline) but can have more are you then in disobedience of the command?
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Re: be fruitful
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2015, 10:36:08 AM »
I prefer the naming the beasts command, in my partial heart.
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Re: be fruitful
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2015, 11:25:45 AM »
I prefer the naming the beasts command, in my partial heart.

So you don't think that married people have a duty to be fruitful? There are many reasons for marriage and children is one of the reasons. It isn't the only but it is one, if you aren't a monk and you have the ability to have children, the church says you need to have children.
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Re: be fruitful
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2015, 11:29:26 AM »
So you don't think that married people have a duty to be fruitful?
I dunno. I just prefer the name the beasts command.

What do the Gospels say?
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Re: be fruitful
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2015, 11:30:56 AM »
if you aren't a monk and you have the ability to have children, the church says you need to have children.
I think that's Roman pop stoicism, not the Church. Either that, or St. Paul has some 'splaining to do.

Now, the Church would say, I think, that if you're married you shouldn't refuse to adopt, foster or have children because you want to live it up your whole life (children who would be taught, of course, that their worst foreign enemy ought to be loved like their dearest kin, and that Christ's work ought to be preferred above all fleshly ties). But if you are doing divine work on behalf of all, then spiritual children are begotten in Christ, are they not?

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Re: be fruitful
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2015, 11:40:35 AM »
If I'm not mistaken, Orthodoxy doesn't teach the "cultural/dominion mandate". That's more of a Calvinist/Reconstructionist thing. Many of the church fathers seemed to think that the "be fruitful" command had already been fulfilled in the past.

Remember, Calvinists believe in Adam as "federal head" of humanity, thus, every command given to Adam and Eve is binding on all humans (and conversely, we are all personally guilty of Adam's sin). Orthodox don't believe this.
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