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It was the strike heard ‘round the country.

West Virginia’s public school teachers had endured years of low pay, inadequate insurance, giant class sizes, and increasingly unlivable conditions—including attempts to force them to record private details of their health daily on a wellness app. Their governor, billionaire coal baron Jim Justice, pledged to allow them no more than an annual 1% raise—effectively a pay cut considering inflation—in a state where teacher salaries ranked 48th lowest out of 50 states. In February 2018, they finally revolted: In a tense, nine-day work stoppage, they managed to wrest a 5% pay increase from the state. Teachers in Oklahoma and Kentucky have now revolted in similar protests.

It’s the latest battle in a contest between two countervailing forces: one bent on reengineering America for the benefit of the wealthy, the other struggling to preserve dignity and security for ordinary people.


https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/the-corporate-plan-to-groom-u-s-kids-for-servitude-by-wiping-out-public-schools
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Isn't violently forcing children to be educated by the government a form of servitude?

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Isn't violently forcing children to be educated by the government a form of servitude?

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This is a different issue which has been discussed in a number of threads. And I disagree with your viewpoint.
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Isn't violently forcing children to be educated by the government a form of servitude?

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It was the strike heard ‘round the country.

West Virginia’s public school teachers had endured years of low pay, inadequate insurance, giant class sizes, and increasingly unlivable conditions—including attempts to force them to record private details of their health daily on a wellness app. Their governor, billionaire coal baron Jim Justice, pledged to allow them no more than an annual 1% raise—effectively a pay cut considering inflation—in a state where teacher salaries ranked 48th lowest out of 50 states. In February 2018, they finally revolted: In a tense, nine-day work stoppage, they managed to wrest a 5% pay increase from the state. Teachers in Oklahoma and Kentucky have now revolted in similar protests.

It’s the latest battle in a contest between two countervailing forces: one bent on reengineering America for the benefit of the wealthy, the other struggling to preserve dignity and security for ordinary people.


https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/the-corporate-plan-to-groom-u-s-kids-for-servitude-by-wiping-out-public-schools

Whats you idea going foward to combat this?

To gebre:
"Isn't violently forcing children to be educated by the government a form of servitude?

Selam"

Yes it is. Why cant i take the tax money going to the local school and use it for an orthdoox/catholic school?

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Isn't violently forcing children to be educated by the government a form of servitude?

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Yes.  I always thought I was a slave when I was a student.  :)

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Isn't violently forcing children to be educated by the government a form of servitude?

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Yes.  I always thought I was a slave when I was a student.  :)

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School is nothing like servitude.
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Whats you idea going foward to combat this?

How about learning from those who do it better?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/07/us-education-spending-finland-south-korea

Why cant i take the tax money going to the local school and use it for an orthdoox/catholic school?

Because it's not just about you?
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Isn't violently forcing children to be educated by the government a form of servitude?

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It is indeed, as far as I remember, public schooling were originally created for mass indoctrination of entire generations in some ideology like nationalism, communism, nazism and today liberalism.


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Whats you idea going foward to combat this?

How about learning from those who do it better?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/07/us-education-spending-finland-south-korea

Why cant i take the tax money going to the local school and use it for an orthdoox/catholic school?

Because it's not just about you?

You cant compare a country like Korea to the USA.
Size for one, we have way more people.
Diversity for another, America isnt one race like Korea.
Neither do we share the same culture.

We've tried throwing money at the problem
https://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED418160
That didnt work, but IMO the problem is lack of Christianity being taught.
If society as a whole has no morals, do we expect children to have them on their own?

I dont see why its not up to me or my community, if we decide to raise children in a religious school environment instead of the secular state funded propaganda farm, thats our choice. I dont want my tax dollars to tell kids homosexuality is ok, sex is ok, or teach them evolution.

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Isn't violently forcing children to be educated by the government a form of servitude?

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It is indeed, as far as I remember, public schooling were originally created for mass indoctrination of entire generations in some ideology like nationalism, communism, nazism and today liberalism.

+1

 Liberalism has infected our education system. The radicals from the 60s are now running the show, and have polluted top down the entire thing.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA

Whats needed is communities to take thier tax dollars and use them to rasie their children in religious environments.
Teach morality.
Teach the truth.
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The liberal indoctrination worked very well, judging by the cries of "Muh freedomz" here.
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Isn't violently forcing children to be educated by the government a form of servitude?

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It is indeed, as far as I remember, public schooling were originally created for mass indoctrination of entire generations in some ideology like nationalism, communism, nazism and today liberalism.

+1

 Liberalism has infected our education system. The radicals from the 60s are now running the show, and have polluted top down the entire thing.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA

Whats needed is communities to take thier tax dollars and use them to rasie their children in religious environments.
Teach morality.
Teach the truth.

I agree on this point.
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It was the strike heard ‘round the country.

West Virginia’s public school teachers had endured years of low pay, inadequate insurance, giant class sizes, and increasingly unlivable conditions—including attempts to force them to record private details of their health daily on a wellness app. Their governor, billionaire coal baron Jim Justice, pledged to allow them no more than an annual 1% raise—effectively a pay cut considering inflation—in a state where teacher salaries ranked 48th lowest out of 50 states. In February 2018, they finally revolted: In a tense, nine-day work stoppage, they managed to wrest a 5% pay increase from the state. Teachers in Oklahoma and Kentucky have now revolted in similar protests.

It’s the latest battle in a contest between two countervailing forces: one bent on reengineering America for the benefit of the wealthy, the other struggling to preserve dignity and security for ordinary people.


https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/the-corporate-plan-to-groom-u-s-kids-for-servitude-by-wiping-out-public-schools

This has to be deadpan irony, or else the author is insane.  Because there are fixed costs for employment which exist in the US, which is why our heavy industry is so uncompetitive.  Now, Germany has even higher fixed costs than the US; their education system works however, and so for some miraculous reason their economy is able to creak along.  But in general, the idea of attempting to use the US workforce for what former President Clinton referred to as “muscle jobs” is, as Clinton admitted, implausible.  In the Rust Belt, the rust is too thick to bring most of the industry back.
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This has to be deadpan irony, or else the author is insane.  Because there are fixed costs for employment which exist in the US, which is why our heavy industry is so uncompetitive.  Now, Germany has even higher fixed costs than the US; their education system works however, and so for some miraculous reason their economy is able to creak along.  But in general, the idea of attempting to use the US workforce for what former President Clinton referred to as “muscle jobs” is, as Clinton admitted, implausible.  In the Rust Belt, the rust is too thick to bring most of the industry back.

There will never be a lack of menial jobs for the have-nots to not quite make a living.
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While everyone is free to criticize public (in the US sense) school education, let's not forget that it does allow children from poor families to learn the basic 3 Rs rather than go directly into working life as illiterates. Keep in mind that there are children in the so-called developing world whose parents or guardians can't afford school fees as well as children who have to work to support their families or themselves so can't go to school.

The program I send a small amount of support to works in Myanmar. But if you google you'll find programs for street kids' education and similar programs in many countries. All of these could use more support.
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While everyone is free to criticize public (in the US sense) school education, let's not forget that it does allow children from poor families to learn the basic 3 Rs rather than go directly into working life as illiterates. Keep in mind that there are children in the so-called developing world whose parents or guardians can't afford school fees as well as children who have to work to support their families or themselves so can't go to school.

The program I send a small amount of support to works in Myanmar. But if you google you'll find programs for street kids' education and similar programs in many countries. All of these could use more support.

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School is nothing like servitude.

You must have gone to a Montessori school.

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School is nothing like servitude.

You must have gone to a Montessori school.

Selam

Patronizing, much?  :P ::)
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School is nothing like servitude.

You must have gone to a Montessori school.

Selam

Patronizing, much?  :P ::)

I was just kidding. Take it easy.

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No, I did not attend a Montessori school.

My cousin is paying for his daughter to go to one. I think my cousin is a very good father. His daughter is doing well at that school.

In the United States, ninety percent of students go to public school.

We need to keep them in good order. We can't put up with an illiterate society.

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No, I did not attend a Montessori school.

My cousin is paying for his daughter to go to one. I think my cousin is a very good father. His daughter is doing well at that school.

In the United States, ninety percent of students go to public school.

We need to keep them in good order. We can't put up with an illiterate society.


I can't read this.

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No, I did not attend a Montessori school.

My cousin is paying for his daughter to go to one. I think my cousin is a very good father. His daughter is doing well at that school.

In the United States, ninety percent of students go to public school.

We need to keep them in good order. We can't put up with an illiterate society.

I went to Montessori school in first grade.

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That's an interesting article, Arachne. Thank you for sharing it.

Quote from: Lynn Parramore
Lafer explains that in the new system, the children of the wealthy will be taught a broad, rich curriculum in small classes led by experienced teachers. The kind of thing everybody wants for kids. But the majority of America’s children will be consigned to a narrow curriculum delivered in large classes by inexperienced staff —or through digital platforms with no teachers at all.

Isn't this already the case? It seems children of the rich attend private school with sometimes good teachers, and the lower classes attend public school where they are prepared for a lifetime of menial labor whether they manage to graduate or not.

My public schooled friends, with the exception of those who went to the magnet school, learned very little beyond how to read and write. And only the very motivated became competent. My private schooled friends learned many things, then attended college. Of those, some got degrees that lead to employment, and others got lost - too smart for manual labor but their poetry degree isn't helping.

I don't really understand which changes the article describes would impact much. I also never saw the inside of a classroom until basic training, so my perspective on the school system is probably very lacking.
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Isn't violently forcing children to be educated by the government a form of servitude?

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I like my government servitude. Without public school including university without tuition mine and many other kids' lives from working-class families would probably be a whole a lot different.
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Isn't violently forcing children to be educated by the government a form of servitude?

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I like my government servitude. Without public school including university without tuition mine and many other kids' lives from working-class families would probably be a whole a lot different.

+1

The Greek constitution enshrined public education for all future citizens as the state's obligation from 1822, years before independence. Parents were quite enthusiastic in their support, and remain so. Only a small percentage of children attend private schools, and that's mostly for the extended hours, not for any significant difference in the quality of education. Private universities are still illegal, and will remain so for the foreseeable future.
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Isn't violently forcing children to be educated by the government a form of servitude?

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I like my government servitude. Without public school including university without tuition mine and many other kids' lives from working-class families would probably be a whole a lot different.

+1

The Greek constitution enshrined public education for all future citizens as the state's obligation from 1822, years before independence. Parents were quite enthusiastic in their support, and remain so. Only a small percentage of children attend private schools, and that's mostly for the extended hours, not for any significant difference in the quality of education. Private universities are still illegal, and will remain so for the foreseeable future.

This is an enormous violation of civil rights, particularly of the Church.  Strictly speaking, all of this education should be the province of the Church or other religions; universities are a Western distortion of the monastic system, and I find the secularization of Oxford and Cambridge, these beautiful buildings which once contained holy monasteries, with names like Blackfriars or Whitefriars indicating specific religious orders, essentially English versions of Mount Athos, to be evil and apalling, and nothing good has come from it.   What our society needs is a return to the late Byzantine-Syriac-Frankish consensus wherein higher learning is synonymous with monasticism.  Indeed, the artificial dichotomy between the monastery and the secular schools is in my view responsible for the worst excesses of the Renaissance and subsequent epochs.  Let it not be forgotten that the Lyceum, the Academy, and the other great schools of Greek philosophy were religious in nature as much as they were intellectual, a pattern replicated by the Catechtical School of Alexandria and that of Antioch-Nisibis.
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Isn't violently forcing children to be educated by the government a form of servitude?

Selam

I like my government servitude. Without public school including university without tuition mine and many other kids' lives from working-class families would probably be a whole a lot different.

+1

The Greek constitution enshrined public education for all future citizens as the state's obligation from 1822, years before independence. Parents were quite enthusiastic in their support, and remain so. Only a small percentage of children attend private schools, and that's mostly for the extended hours, not for any significant difference in the quality of education. Private universities are still illegal, and will remain so for the foreseeable future.

This is an enormous violation of civil rights, particularly of the Church.  Strictly speaking, all of this education should be the province of the Church or other religions; universities are a Western distortion of the monastic system, and I find the secularization of Oxford and Cambridge, these beautiful buildings which once contained holy monasteries, with names like Blackfriars or Whitefriars indicating specific religious orders, essentially English versions of Mount Athos, to be evil and apalling, and nothing good has come from it.   What our society needs is a return to the late Byzantine-Syriac-Frankish consensus wherein higher learning is synonymous with monasticism.  Indeed, the artificial dichotomy between the monastery and the secular schools is in my view responsible for the worst excesses of the Renaissance and subsequent epochs.  Let it not be forgotten that the Lyceum, the Academy, and the other great schools of Greek philosophy were religious in nature as much as they were intellectual, a pattern replicated by the Catechtical School of Alexandria and that of Antioch-Nisibis.

We have Glorious Notre dame, a bastion of religious education.
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Isn't violently forcing children to be educated by the government a form of servitude?

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I like my government servitude. Without public school including university without tuition mine and many other kids' lives from working-class families would probably be a whole a lot different.

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The Greek constitution enshrined public education for all future citizens as the state's obligation from 1822, years before independence. Parents were quite enthusiastic in their support, and remain so. Only a small percentage of children attend private schools, and that's mostly for the extended hours, not for any significant difference in the quality of education. Private universities are still illegal, and will remain so for the foreseeable future.

This is an enormous violation of civil rights, particularly of the Church.

The Church (Constantinople at the time, and later the autocephalous Church of Greece) fully supported the arrangement. I guess they didn't know their rights. Or they were better at working with the state than you'll ever be. Whatever works.
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Isn't violently forcing children to be educated by the government a form of servitude?

Selam

I like my government servitude. Without public school including university without tuition mine and many other kids' lives from working-class families would probably be a whole a lot different.

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The Greek constitution enshrined public education for all future citizens as the state's obligation from 1822, years before independence. Parents were quite enthusiastic in their support, and remain so. Only a small percentage of children attend private schools, and that's mostly for the extended hours, not for any significant difference in the quality of education. Private universities are still illegal, and will remain so for the foreseeable future.

This is an enormous violation of civil rights, particularly of the Church.

The Church (Constantinople at the time, and later the autocephalous Church of Greece) fully supported the arrangement. I guess they didn't know their rights. Or they were better at working with the state than you'll ever be. Whatever works.

Or, they made an arrangement which inadvertantly derrogated their rights and was in retrospect a grave strategic error.  Which, realistically, people do all the time.  Even Warren Buffet has made enormous financial mistakes.
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Isn't public school where Marxism it taught ```
Իմաստութիւն Հոր Յիսուս՝ տո՝ւր մեզ իաստուփին՝ զբարիս խորհել եւ խոսել եւ գործել առաջի Քո յամենայն ժամ : եւ ի չար խորհրդոց ի բանից եւ ի գործոց   փրկեա  զմեզ՝ ամէն:
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Isn't public school where Marxism it taught ```

Not before reading, writing, maths, science, and a bunch of other useful things.
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Isn't public school where Marxism it taught ```

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA

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Marxism is never even mentioned until college, at least when I went. Then again, right-wingers think Marxism means everything, which it does not. It's a radical system of economics, based on the studies of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. They went to Manchester, England, and saw how bad the factory life was.

Based on the way Sethrak talks, he didn't even know that at all.
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Isn't violently forcing children to be educated by the government a form of servitude?

Selam

It is indeed, as far as I remember, public schooling were originally created for mass indoctrination of entire generations in some ideology like nationalism, communism, nazism and today liberalism.


Well, today and for many years it is Marxism ~ they are just not using that title ```
Իմաստութիւն Հոր Յիսուս՝ տո՝ւր մեզ իաստուփին՝ զբարիս խորհել եւ խոսել եւ գործել առաջի Քո յամենայն ժամ : եւ ի չար խորհրդոց ի բանից եւ ի գործոց   փրկեա  զմեզ՝ ամէն:
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How different is what the Left wing is teaching ~ from ~ what you know of Marxism ~ except for a few words and placation of enlisted groups ~ how different from what you've been taught to think ```

Իմաստութիւն Հոր Յիսուս՝ տո՝ւր մեզ իաստուփին՝ զբարիս խորհել եւ խոսել եւ գործել առաջի Քո յամենայն ժամ : եւ ի չար խորհրդոց ի բանից եւ ի գործոց   փրկեա  զմեզ՝ ամէն:
Jesus, Wisdom of the Father, give us wisdom, to think, speak and do what is Good before you at all times. And save us from evil thoughts, words and deed, amen.