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I've been reading Patrick Barnes' book, The Non-Orthodox: The Orthodox Teaching on Christians Outside of the Church, and he says that receiving RC and Protestant converts through Chrismation is an act of oikonomia and it doesn't mean that their Baptisms impart the same Grace as Orthodox Baptisms. Does this mean that if I got Chrismated in Orthodoxy every sin I've ever committed would be forgiven like it would if I got Baptized? Would I still need to confess sins committed before the Chrismation?
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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2010, 10:13:06 AM » |
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If you look at the Service Books (e.g., Hapgood's) you will see that before the ceremony of Chrismation begins the person being received by Chrismation makes a complete confession of all his sins "from his youth up."
No Absolution is given at this point.
Later, after the formal renunciation of previos theological errors and the recital of the Creed, the Prayer of Absolution is pronounced over the person. After the Absolution the Chrismation commences.
Btw, there is a note which ends this Service: " There are several differences in this Office, as celebrated in the Greek Church; but they are not important."
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2012, 12:02:25 PM » |
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If you look at the Service Books (e.g., Hapgood's) you will see that before the ceremony of Chrismation begins the person being received by Chrismation makes a complete confession of all his sins "from his youth up."
No Absolution is given at this point.
Later, after the formal renunciation of previos theological errors and the recital of the Creed, the Prayer of Absolution is pronounced over the person. After the Absolution the Chrismation commences.
Btw, there is a note which ends this Service: " There are several differences in this Office, as celebrated in the Greek Church; but they are not important."
I have a question about this. I was recently received from the RCC into Orthodoxy by chrismation. Leading up to it, I asked a few times if I would need to be confessed, but was told I did not. So, should the Prayer of Absolution have worked even though I was not confessed? (yes, I will ask my priest but I am still posting the question here) |
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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2012, 01:09:01 PM » |
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If you look at the Service Books (e.g., Hapgood's) you will see that before the ceremony of Chrismation begins the person being received by Chrismation makes a complete confession of all his sins "from his youth up."
No Absolution is given at this point.
Later, after the formal renunciation of previos theological errors and the recital of the Creed, the Prayer of Absolution is pronounced over the person. After the Absolution the Chrismation commences.
Btw, there is a note which ends this Service: " There are several differences in this Office, as celebrated in the Greek Church; but they are not important."
I have a question about this. I was recently received from the RCC into Orthodoxy by chrismation. Leading up to it, I asked a few times if I would need to be confessed, but was told I did not. So, should the Prayer of Absolution have worked even though I was not confessed? (yes, I will ask my priest but I am still posting the question here) Sauron: If you were absolved...you were absolved. Carry on. William: I think if you remember something that you neglected in your life confession prior to your chrismation, it would be a good idea to confess that. Your priest probably wouldn't give a penance or anything for it, but it's probably good to deal with those things as they come to mind. It was suggested to me to do the same, and I was received by baptism. |
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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2012, 05:49:08 PM » |
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Several spiritual fathers ask for a life confession as one's first confession, especially if one has not confessed before. Sometimes, with Roman Catholics, confession is assumed, and a life confession is not asked for.
Chrismation itself is not for the remission of sins, but Holy Communion is "unto remission of sins and life everlasting."
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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2012, 03:43:21 PM » |
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For me, I had to do life confession, and Chrismation would be my absolution.
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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2012, 08:21:27 AM » |
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If you look at the Service Books (e.g., Hapgood's) you will see that before the ceremony of Chrismation begins the person being received by Chrismation makes a complete confession of all his sins "from his youth up."
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