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« on: February 26, 2010, 08:02:41 AM »

Suppose someone were to be Coptic and own a restaurant.  Would it be immoral of them to serve meat at their restaurant during a fast?
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« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2010, 08:46:08 AM »

No. Just as it would not be wrong to own a general stores and sell dairy, meat and fish products during Lent, or to work in McDonalds during Lent.

Fasting is a personal ascesis, and not one we can or should impose on others. It is not eating meat which is wrong, but being unable, as an orthodox Christian, to control ourselves.

There might be issues around tasting the food in a restaurant if one were a chef. Not sure how that would work.

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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2010, 02:22:42 PM »

There might be issues around tasting the food in a restaurant if one were a chef. Not sure how that would work.

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But would it be okay just to "taste" within the work context, verses "indulging" and taking advantage of the situation? I mean, if the Chef observes the fast to the best of his Spiritual Father's direction outside of work (and during work), and chooses to have Lenten meals for his own personal gastronomic fulfillment, wouldn't that still be within the spirit of the Fast?
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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2010, 02:47:43 PM »

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I guess its material for a conversation between such a person and his/her spiritual father. I don't know what has been done when this situation has arisen in the past. I don't know how much tasting needs to take place, and which activities in a professional kitchen especially require most tasting to take place. It's something I think a spiritual father should advise on.

As I said earlier though, I definitely don't see an issue with preparing and selling non-fasting foods during the fasts.

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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2010, 01:53:22 AM »

I think that to serve meat, etc. during fasting periods may not be immoral, but I think it is best not to do so since we are to consider our Christian brothers and sisters. They may be unnecessarily tempted by what you are serving. By not serving meat during Lent, you are not forcing anyone else not to eat meat or to observe fasting themselves. They can get their meat elsewhere. It's tough, and our natural inclination is to rationalize these things so that we don't lose our profits or hurt our business. But I guess we need to ask ourselves how seriously we are about our Faith.

That's just my opinion.


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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2010, 04:07:50 AM »

That would be so if we were in an Orthodox country. But here in the UK probably 0.01% of the population are fasting from meat. And probably 0.5% of the population even think that there is a possibilty they would benefit from fasting from meat. There are a very large number of non-Christians and non-Orthodox who still need to eat, and not serving them meat is not the same as teaching them to fast.

To be serious about our own faith does not require us to impose the restrictions we place upon ourselves on others shoulders. If it were a matter of sin that would be different. I do think that someone involved in TV programme production for instance needs to consider the moral quality of any programme they are involved with. Or on the issue of food, if someone were knowingly involved in the production of very bad food - too much sugar, too many additives etc - they should perhaps consider their involvement. But in a country which is not Orthodox at all I do not see any moral problem with cooking and serving meat.

If I were a restaurant owner I might want to take the opportunity of the Fast to offer good quality fasting food AS WELL.

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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2010, 05:10:20 PM »

That would be so if we were in an Orthodox country. But here in the UK probably 0.01% of the population are fasting from meat. And probably 0.5% of the population even think that there is a possibilty they would benefit from fasting from meat. There are a very large number of non-Christians and non-Orthodox who still need to eat, and not serving them meat is not the same as teaching them to fast.

To be serious about our own faith does not require us to impose the restrictions we place upon ourselves on others shoulders. If it were a matter of sin that would be different. I do think that someone involved in TV programme production for instance needs to consider the moral quality of any programme they are involved with. Or on the issue of food, if someone were knowingly involved in the production of very bad food - too much sugar, too many additives etc - they should perhaps consider their involvement. But in a country which is not Orthodox at all I do not see any moral problem with cooking and serving meat.

If I were a restaurant owner I might want to take the opportunity of the Fast to offer good quality fasting food AS WELL.

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That makes sense to me.


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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2010, 09:57:04 PM »

       That is a big no for me. I think that is depends on the person who are going to eat in that restaurant. Every people in our life have different perception in life and have own decision.
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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2010, 10:09:41 PM »

Resteraunts in the US used ot have Lenten seafood specials, especially in heavily Catholic areas. Maybe an Orthodox chef or resteraunt owner could use the oppurtunity to share some special fasting foods with the community. Given the growing market for vegetarian dishes, this could open a new avenue for a resteraunt.
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2010, 10:22:30 PM »

Resteraunts in the US used ot have Lenten seafood specials, especially in heavily Catholic areas. Maybe an Orthodox chef or resteraunt owner could use the oppurtunity to share some special fasting foods with the community. Given the growing market for vegetarian dishes, this could open a new avenue for a resteraunt.

See that was my first reaction.  If you stop serving meat during fasts, people will miss it, their interest will be piqued, they'll likely talk about it to friends, and then come back.  As well, decent fasting food would draw members of many communities, who talk about their diets a lot.

I'm just saying, if we're going to fall real heavily on our own reason here, get paid.
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2010, 02:15:58 PM »

I noticed that when in Ethiopia earlier this year all the restaurants had fasting option.

It seems to me that having such an option in a non-Orthodox country would a) be an illuminating talking point and b) might attract Orthodox customers.
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