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Re: Re: Comments on OO Mitres
« Reply #45 on: July 08, 2010, 02:10:29 PM »
Your Church Is A Hybrid, a little bit of east and Whole lot of west ???.... A Confusion....
God save Holy Orthodoxy from this type.... ;D

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Re: Comments on OO Mitres
« Reply #46 on: July 08, 2010, 02:10:51 PM »
Your Church Is A Hybrid, a little bit of east and Whole lot of west ???.... A Confusion....
God save Holy Orthodoxy from this type.... ;D

This is My Last post Here, we nothing in Common , I want to discuss Holy Orthodoxy .... ;D

Stashko, you do realize there are "Western Rite" Churches in the EOC, no? What do you think thier liturgical vestments look like?

I took your previous posts in good natured fun, I hope I wasn't mistaken.  :-\
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Re: Comments on OO Mitres
« Reply #47 on: July 09, 2010, 12:41:27 AM »
We're not Orthodox....because our bishops wear pointy hats...makes sense.  ::)

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Re: Comments on OO Mitres
« Reply #48 on: July 09, 2010, 02:06:44 AM »
A post focused solely on criticizing the Serbian Orthodox Synod was moved here:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,28631.0.html
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Re: Comments on OO Mitres
« Reply #49 on: July 09, 2010, 03:09:40 AM »
Stashko's latest post has been sent to the private forum.

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,28632.new.html#new
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Re: Comments on OO Mitres
« Reply #50 on: July 09, 2010, 09:18:07 AM »
I think I remember reading somewhere on this board that Stashko is 13. Perhaps that explains his views?

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Re: Comments on OO Mitres
« Reply #51 on: July 09, 2010, 10:06:16 AM »
I think I remember reading somewhere on this board that Stashko is 13. Perhaps that explains his views?
Oh, that would explain it.
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Re: Comments on OO Mitres
« Reply #52 on: July 09, 2010, 02:16:22 PM »
I can't speak as to the Coptic mitres, but I can tell you a little bit about the Armenian ones, at least what my priest has told me: 

Prior to the Crusades, Armenian bishops had crowns like you see on EO bishops today.  Then during the time of the Crusades the Armenian bishops borrowed the Catholic mitres.  They did not want to waste their crowns, however, so they passed them down to the priests.  That is why today the mitres worn by the bishops resemble Catholic ones, and Armenian priests wear crowns that are similar to the ones worn by EO bishops.  This is what my priest told me.   :)



Andrew, I do hope someone knowledgeable can answer this for you.

Here's some basic info:

http://books.google.com/books?id=vgE4AAAAMAAJ&ots=ZczwjEsOds&dq=ancient%20churches%20of%20egypt&pg=PA97#v=onepage&q&f=false

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Re: Re: Comments on OO Mitres
« Reply #53 on: July 09, 2010, 04:31:39 PM »
I think I remember reading somewhere on this board that Stashko is 13. Perhaps that explains his views?
Oh, that would explain it.

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Re: Comments on OO Mitres
« Reply #54 on: July 09, 2010, 04:39:34 PM »
There's a scholarly contribution here on the subject of Armenian priestly headgear...

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=gdiZiQGDf1sC&lpg=PA100&dq=armenian%20priests%20mitres&pg=PA100#v=onepage&q&f=false
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Re: Comments on OO Mitres
« Reply #55 on: July 12, 2010, 08:05:43 PM »
In any event, it didn't last as the official religion of that nation.  I think his successors turned back to paganism.  What King Drtad did, on the other hand, really established a Christian nation.

Salpy, it's not as hugely different as you are making it sound. The Kingdom of Armenia collapsed not much more than 100 years after that, remember?
But its Church did not.

Btw, Armenian history has assimilated the history of Agbar (in EO tradition, he is treated as Armenian).  He was, in fact, a Aramaized Arab, one of many dynasties along the desert side of the Levant (e.g. Herod, the Nabateans, Zenobia, etc.).
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Re: Comments on OO Mitres
« Reply #56 on: July 13, 2010, 12:43:57 AM »
Now I see very clearly Why the Greeks in Jeruslam Don't Like the Armenians ,And they Scuffle  now and then ...You insult the Greek orthodox And All the Eastern Orthodox By Down grading The Bishops Crown Mitre That your Bishops  wore ,by Passing them to your Priests, thats wrong ,Im insulted..Ill never want unity with you...Go join rome Your half way there You have the Ponted Mitres you will blend in just Fine there......... >:(

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Re: Comments on OO Mitres
« Reply #57 on: July 13, 2010, 12:45:48 AM »
Who needs Chalcedon, when you can argue over a hat?   :D

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Re: Comments on OO Mitres
« Reply #58 on: July 13, 2010, 12:46:41 AM »
The oldest tradition is no crowns on any bishops.

Ah, so the Syriac Orthodox essentially do retain the oldest tradition in this matter?
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Re: Comments on OO Mitres
« Reply #59 on: July 13, 2010, 12:48:08 AM »
Your Church Is A Hybrid, a little bit of east and Whole lot of west ???.... A Confusion....
God save Holy Orthodoxy from this type.... ;D

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Re: Comments on OO Mitres
« Reply #60 on: July 13, 2010, 06:56:22 PM »
Your Church Is A Hybrid, a little bit of east and Whole lot of west ???.... A Confusion....
God save Holy Orthodoxy from this type.... ;D

This is My Last post Here, we nothing in Common , I want to discuss Holy Orthodoxy .... ;D
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Re: Comments on OO Mitres
« Reply #61 on: July 13, 2010, 07:26:43 PM »
Your Church Is A Hybrid, a little bit of east and Whole lot of west ???.... A Confusion....
God save Holy Orthodoxy from this type.... ;D

This is My Last post Here, we nothing in Common , I want to discuss Holy Orthodoxy .... ;D
I apologize to people here, but i have to speak with stashko in Serbian:

Stashko, брате, смири се мало!  престани да вређаш! >:(
постао си веома непристојан. а чак и ако правиш шалу, није баш смешно...
људи овде су према теби веома учтиви. ако се ови људи уздржавају да ти кажу колико си неваспитан, немој да мислиш о себи да није тако.


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Re: Comments on OO Mitres
« Reply #62 on: July 14, 2010, 08:23:11 AM »
Stashko, are you aware that there are fully canonical Eastern Orthodox parishes which use entirely Roman/Western customs?

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« Reply #63 on: January 20, 2012, 04:06:23 AM »
Churches Look Nice.... things i like and don't about ...... ;D

I Noticed the Altar Area is elevated about two or three step high, from the congregation,which is better than the higher elevated ones i've seen . The Higher elevated ones reminded me of a play theater ....So now the other improvments should be geared towards the head Gear, and the odd looking Stole or what ever the greek word is for it] the Bishop is wearing ,Remindes me of the eastern Catholic one piece Bib... ;D The Other thing i don't care for, is those lousy western religious images....Everything else seem fine ...The Altar could use some improvment like getting rid of the tiers  ,centered and flat....... :police:

Do the Altar Face east in your churches or is it west ,toward your former Master..... :laugh:
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« Reply #64 on: January 20, 2012, 11:18:11 AM »
Churches Look Nice.... things i like and don't about ...... ;D

I Noticed the Altar Area is elevated about two or three step high, from the congregation,which is better than the higher elevated ones i've seen . The Higher elevated ones reminded me of a play theater ....So now the other improvments should be geared towards the head Gear, and the odd looking Stole or what ever the greek word is for it] the Bishop is wearing ,Remindes me of the eastern Catholic one piece Bib... ;D The Other thing i don't care for, is those lousy western religious images....Everything else seem fine ...The Altar could use some improvment like getting rid of the tiers  ,centered and flat....... :police:
I don't understand why you feel the need to criticize, on the spot, what you're seeing.  This is our Church.  We're not an Eastern Orthodox tradition, and our traditions come from the fact that Armenians have been influenced by a variety of cultures over the centuries, and have incorporated a lot of little things into our style of worship, iconography, architecture, ect.


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Yes.  Your point?

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« Reply #65 on: January 20, 2012, 09:47:48 PM »
Please Forgive ..
I Just Can't get used To the Hybrid Look...
The Churches are Magnificent structures....... :police:
 
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Re: Comments on OO Mitres
« Reply #66 on: January 20, 2012, 10:16:09 PM »
The above three posts were split off from a discussion about two new Armenian churches being consecrated:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,42453.0.html#top