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How does your language say "Hookah"?
« on: July 19, 2017, 02:02:14 PM »
I realized even now, I'm really not used to that word. Probably 90% of the Arabic speakers I know are from the Levant, they use a word that is very close to how the French pronounction: narguilé (nix the "n", and that is roughly the word I'm used to).  Do all Arabic speaking countries use this term?  I thought the word "Hookah" was of Farsi origin, but one of my Iranian friends uses a different word.  Can anyone parse the language in Arabic and compare it to the origin where the word was first coined?

How do the languages you know pronounce this word, and can you parse the language?
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Re: How does your language say "Hookah"?
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2017, 02:03:46 PM »
In Turkey it was narghile. Google search says it comes from Sanskrit via Persian.
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Re: How does your language say "Hookah"?
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2017, 02:06:14 PM »
All the Egyptians I know call it shisha.
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Re: How does your language say "Hookah"?
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2017, 02:09:29 PM »
In Spain it's commonly called "cachimba".

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Re: How does your language say "Hookah"?
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2017, 02:09:51 PM »
In Turkey it was narghile. Google search says it comes from Sanskrit via Persian.

Did they the "n" in the word "narghile"?  I'm not used to hearing the "n".  If it's Sanskrit, that may explain why it's pronounced different in modern Iran.  But the way my ears made out the way he pronounced the word there wasn't a similarity to the word "hookah".
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Re: How does your language say "Hookah"?
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2017, 02:11:57 PM »
In American, I believe it's "nerd."
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Re: How does your language say "Hookah"?
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2017, 02:13:32 PM »
All the Egyptians I know call it shisha.

Something tells me this word may be a very odd duck word.  If neither the Romance, Arabic, or Central Asian languages have a standard that's a bit odd.  Especially if the French, Turkish, and Arabic resemble each other...the English resembles the Sanskrit, etc.
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Re: How does your language say "Hookah"?
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2017, 02:14:43 PM »
All the Egyptians I know call it shisha.

Something tells me this word may be a very odd duck word.  If neither the Romance, Arabic, or Central Asian languages have a standard that's a bit odd.  Especially if the French, Turkish, and Arabic resemble each other...the English resembles the Sanskrit, etc.

I don't believe it is an English word at all. It's a borrowed term.
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Re: How does your language say "Hookah"?
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2017, 02:20:45 PM »
In Turkey it was narghile. Google search says it comes from Sanskrit via Persian.

Did they the "n" in the word "narghile"?  I'm not used to hearing the "n". 

Yeah, they used the "n".
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Re: How does your language say "Hookah"?
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2017, 02:22:16 PM »
All the Egyptians I know call it shisha.

Something tells me this word may be a very odd duck word.  If neither the Romance, Arabic, or Central Asian languages have a standard that's a bit odd.  Especially if the French, Turkish, and Arabic resemble each other...the English resembles the Sanskrit, etc.

I don't believe it is an English word at all. It's a borrowed term.

Well, that's how a lot of language works.  Especially if you are importing in a foreign object for use.  If the French and English were only exposed to Hookah's in later colonial times it makes sense why the words are different, due to how it was imported in.  The Spanish is a bit more of a puzzle to me.  But I thought they've been in the West for some time, you will hear 17th century Austrians refer to them..
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Re: How does your language say "Hookah"?
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2017, 02:38:16 PM »
All the Egyptians I know call it shisha.

When I did the English to Arabic translation it was a bit more similar to what you say.  I've never heard that term.  My Arabic is worse than awful, but from what I can tell Egyptians pronounce things very differently from what I'm used to. 
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Re: How does your language say "Hookah"?
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2017, 02:41:22 PM »
In Finnish that would be "vesipiippu". Literally translating as waterpipe. Though " shisha" is probably coming more common due to touristry, immigrants etc.
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Re: How does your language say "Hookah"?
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2017, 02:44:17 PM »
All the Egyptians I know call it shisha.

Something tells me this word may be a very odd duck word.  If neither the Romance, Arabic, or Central Asian languages have a standard that's a bit odd.  Especially if the French, Turkish, and Arabic resemble each other...the English resembles the Sanskrit, etc.

I don't believe it is an English word at all. It's a borrowed term.

Well, that's how a lot of language works.  Especially if you are importing in a foreign object for use.  If the French and English were only exposed to Hookah's in later colonial times it makes sense why the words are different, due to how it was imported in.  The Spanish is a bit more of a puzzle to me.  But I thought they've been in the West for some time, you will hear 17th century Austrians refer to them..

Yeah but you can't say "the English word 'rhinoceros' seems to have a similarity to Greek." Not if you want to be taken seriously.
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Re: How does your language say "Hookah"?
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2017, 02:50:28 PM »
In Polish it's szisza (shisha), in Serbian "nargila".
In standard Arabic texts there is نرجيلة (narjeela) or النلة (an-nala).
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Re: How does your language say "Hookah"?
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2017, 03:04:34 PM »
In Polish it's szisza (shisha), in Serbian "nargila".
In standard Arabic texts there is نرجيلة (narjeela) or النلة (an-nala).


In standard Arabic, نرجيلة (narjeela)  are you used to the "n" and an english "j" sound?  I'm not used to the "n" (except in French) or "j", and more used to a hard "g" sound.

It looks like your Polish term is similar to how AN said Egyptians pronounce it.
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Re: How does your language say "Hookah"?
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2017, 03:06:49 PM »
In Finnish that would be "vesipiippu". Literally translating as waterpipe. Though " shisha" is probably coming more common due to touristry, immigrants etc.

That's a fun word, can you parse it? What kind of tourists?  Is there a nationality of Europeans or Mid Easterners you are more used to?
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Re: How does your language say "Hookah"?
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Re: How does your language say "Hookah"?
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2017, 03:21:48 PM »
In Polish it's szisza (shisha), in Serbian "nargila".
In standard Arabic texts there is نرجيلة (narjeela) or النلة (an-nala).


In standard Arabic, نرجيلة (narjeela)  are you used to the "n" and an english "j" sound?  I'm not used to the "n" (except in French) or "j", and more used to a hard "g" sound.


I used "j" to differentiate it from Egyptian Arabic "g" ;)
I find it quite obvious that in MSA there is "n" sound.
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Re: How does your language say "Hookah"?
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2017, 03:23:39 PM »
In Finnish that would be "vesipiippu". Literally translating as waterpipe. Though " shisha" is probably coming more common due to touristry, immigrants etc.

That's a fun word, can you parse it? What kind of tourists?  Is there a nationality of Europeans or Mid Easterners you are more used to?

Touristry meaning Finns going to other countries as tourists. There are shisha bars outside of the Middle East too.

As for Finland, lots of Iraqi asylum seeker lately. Somalis are another large group from that region but they chew khat instead of smoking shisha.
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Re: How does your language say "Hookah"?
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2017, 03:31:45 PM »
In Polish it's szisza (shisha), in Serbian "nargila".
In standard Arabic texts there is نرجيلة (narjeela) or النلة (an-nala).


In standard Arabic, نرجيلة (narjeela)  are you used to the "n" and an english "j" sound?  I'm not used to the "n" (except in French) or "j", and more used to a hard "g" sound.


I used "j" to differentiate it from Egyptian Arabic "g" ;)
I find it quite obvious that in MSA there is "n" sound.

found this on the internet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHnTIuP3Xhs

I'm used to pronunciation 3 (about 30 seconds in).  This has a hard "g" in it and no "n".  From what he implies, it may be mostly just a Levantine pronunciation.

Also according to this guy the shihsha refers to the specific pipe part, which is probably why Egytians, etc may use that as the generic term.
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Re: How does your language say "Hookah"?
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2017, 04:21:24 PM »
In Polish it's szisza (shisha), in Serbian "nargila".
In standard Arabic texts there is نرجيلة (narjeela) or النلة (an-nala).
Nice!  Poland taking the side of Egypt ;)

The first time I heard the word "hookah" was when I was in college.  Some Pakistani guy asked me "you wanna smoke hookah?" I was like "how in the world do you smoke hookers?"
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Re: How does your language say "Hookah"?
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2017, 04:40:25 PM »
In Polish it's szisza (shisha), in Serbian "nargila".
In standard Arabic texts there is نرجيلة (narjeela) or النلة (an-nala).


In standard Arabic, نرجيلة (narjeela)  are you used to the "n" and an english "j" sound?  I'm not used to the "n" (except in French) or "j", and more used to a hard "g" sound.


I used "j" to differentiate it from Egyptian Arabic "g" ;)
I find it quite obvious that in MSA there is "n" sound.

found this on the internet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHnTIuP3Xhs

I'm used to pronunciation 3 (about 30 seconds in).  This has a hard "g" in it and no "n".  From what he implies, it may be mostly just a Levantine pronunciation.


So, in this case it's أرجيلة (Arjeela/Argeela). That's very probable, that's a Levantine pronunciation. But, only of this specific world, as typical Levantine pronuciation uses for ج "zh'"
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Re: How does your language say "Hookah"?
« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2017, 04:53:55 PM »
In Polish it's szisza (shisha), in Serbian "nargila".
In standard Arabic texts there is نرجيلة (narjeela) or النلة (an-nala).
Nice!  Poland taking the side of Egypt ;)

The first time I heard the word "hookah" was when I was in college.  Some Pakistani guy asked me "you wanna smoke hookah?" I was like "how in the world do you smoke hookers?"

I have a similar experience.  Except I didn't realize until what it was until after college.   I associated the word with "bong " and hippie slang for "hooker" at various times until about age 22
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Re: How does your language say "Hookah"?
« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2017, 04:57:34 PM »
  Some Pakistani guy asked me "you wanna smoke hookah?" I was like "how in the world do you smoke hookers?"

I think that was Jack the Ripper's thing for a while.
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Re: How does your language say "Hookah"?
« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2017, 07:06:27 AM »
In Greek it's "ναργιλές" (masculine) pron. nar-yee-les (IPA /nar.ʝi.'les/) or "αργιλές" /ar.ʝi.'les/ (masculine) or (mostly in rembetika) "λουλάς" /lu.'las/ (masculine).
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Re: How does your language say "Hookah"?
« Reply #25 on: July 20, 2017, 07:18:25 AM »
In Brazil is known as Narguilé, but people pronounce it 'Narguíli'