OrthodoxChristianity.net
November 24, 2014, 01:33:27 AM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: Reminder: No political discussions in the public fora.  If you do not have access to the private Politics Forum, please send a PM to Fr. George.
 
   Home   Help Calendar Contact Treasury Tags Login Register  
Pages: 1   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Are there different types of deacons? Do they have the same roles each week?  (Read 2405 times) Average Rating: 0
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
Blissfully Unaware
Jr. Member
**
Offline Offline

Faith: Converting to Oriental Orthodoxy
Jurisdiction: Syriac Orthodox
Posts: 42


« on: May 18, 2010, 01:23:46 AM »

I have been to the Syriac Orthodox divine liturgy four times now and I have noticed something. Each of the five deacons wears the white robe but the sashes are different colors and the crosses on the back of the robes are different. Are they different types of deacons? Or are their robes indicating their roles in the liturgy (ie: the same one walks around with the insense each week, etc.)?
Logged
dhinuus
Elder
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 495



« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2010, 11:24:30 AM »

Are they different types of deacons?

Yes. In the Syriac Orthodox Church there are various orders of the deaconate. The order of the deacon can be recognized from the way they wear their stole (uroro).  The orders of the deaconate are:

1) Singers (mzamrono) wear the kutino without the uroro.
2) Readers (qoruyo) wear the uroro in the form of a Cross.
3) Subdeacons (apodyaqno) wear the uroro folded around the neck.
4) Deacons (shamosho) wear the uroro over the left shoulder, on either side like wings.

Only the full deacons (shamosho) are allowed to read the Gospel during the Divine Liturgy and server communion. Now days, even full deacons don't read the Gospel during the Divine Liturgy during regular Sunday's. The priest himself will read the Gospel. The feast day of St. Stephen (the first among the deacons) is the day when the full deacon if present during the liturgy will read the Gospel.

There is a fifth order namely: Archdeacons (archedyaqno).  Archdeacons are usually priests.  It is a title given to the head of the priest who helps assists the Bishop in the running of the diocese.  In the present day, there are not many Archdeacons in the church. If my understanding is right, in the Catholicose faction of the Syriac Church in India there is an Archdeacon.  I will let Suraj confirm this.
At the very end of the following link, you can see photos of how each order within the deaconate wears his stole.
http://sor.cua.edu/Vestments/index.html
Mathew G M
Logged

NULL
Blissfully Unaware
Jr. Member
**
Offline Offline

Faith: Converting to Oriental Orthodoxy
Jurisdiction: Syriac Orthodox
Posts: 42


« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2010, 12:05:32 AM »

Thank you so much Dhinuus, your post and the link were very helpful!
Logged
surajiype
Sr. Member
****
Online Online

Faith: Oriental Orthodox
Jurisdiction: Malankara Orthodox Church
Posts: 199


« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2010, 12:30:38 AM »

Unlike in the East Syrian Church and traditionally in the Church in Malabar where the Arkdeacon was counted among the priests, in the West Syrian Rite the Archdeacon is always a deacon who has the same function (assisting the Bishop). 

In Malankara , till a native Episcopal hierarchy was instituted the Archdeacon acted as a temporal head of the Church and formed the primary interface between the East Syrian Bishops and the rest of the clergy.

As far as I know the Catholicosal party does not have an Archdeacon either.
Logged
Subdeacon Michael
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Faith: Orthodox
Jurisdiction: ROCOR
Posts: 195



« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2010, 04:58:48 AM »

Are they different types of deacons?

Yes. In the Syriac Orthodox Church there are various orders of the deaconate. The order of the deacon can be recognized from the way they wear their stole (uroro).  The orders of the deaconate are:

1) Singers (mzamrono) wear the kutino without the uroro.
2) Readers (qoruyo) wear the uroro in the form of a Cross.
3) Subdeacons (apodyaqno) wear the uroro folded around the neck.
4) Deacons (shamosho) wear the uroro over the left shoulder, on either side like wings.

In the Eastern Orthodox Church, these are all different clerical orders but only the deacons are referred to or thought of as such.  Do you refer to all order below priesthood as the diaconate?
Logged

'There is nothing upon earth holier, higher, grander, more solemn, more life-giving than the Liturgy. The church, at this particular time, becomes an earthly heaven; those who officiate represent Christ Himself, the angels, the cherubim, seraphim and apostles.' - St John of Kronstadt
dhinuus
Elder
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 495



« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2010, 12:16:38 PM »

are all different clerical orders but only the deacons are referred to or thought of as such.  Do you refer to all order below priesthood as the diaconate?

I think the issue here is language differences. Most Syriac Church members be it in India of the Middle East does not use English for common communication. In the Syriac Church in the middle east only a full deacon is referred to as Shamosho. In India Shamosho is pronounced more commmonly as Shemashen or Chemmachen. And it is very common to see people referring to all these clerical orders as Shemashen.
« Last Edit: May 22, 2010, 12:20:33 PM by dhinuus » Logged

NULL
surajiype
Sr. Member
****
Online Online

Faith: Oriental Orthodox
Jurisdiction: Malankara Orthodox Church
Posts: 199


« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2010, 01:16:06 PM »

In India the practice is to have a candidate for the priesthood marry before being ordained to the full deaconate.

Also , we do not have very many permanent Readers or Subdeacons or Full Deacons in each parish, there are some but still very few.  So for the average layman everyone who is a Reader or a Sub-deacon is usually one who is at Seminary or on the way to the priesthood.

This leads to a situation where everyone in minor orders is called Fr Deacon.
Logged
Subdeacon Michael
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Faith: Orthodox
Jurisdiction: ROCOR
Posts: 195



« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2010, 12:49:40 PM »

Thank you, both, for those clarifications.

In India the practice is to have a candidate for the priesthood marry before being ordained to the full deaconate.

That is in keeping with the Apostolic canons, which I think are early enough for us to have in common, and which prohibit any clergy apart from chanters and readers from marrying.  Therefore, in the Eastern Orthodox Church, subdeacons and above may not marry, (although I have heard that exceptions are occasionally made on a case by case basis, where there is deemed to be pastoral reason for it).

In Christ,
Michael
Logged

'There is nothing upon earth holier, higher, grander, more solemn, more life-giving than the Liturgy. The church, at this particular time, becomes an earthly heaven; those who officiate represent Christ Himself, the angels, the cherubim, seraphim and apostles.' - St John of Kronstadt
LBK
No Reporting Allowed
Moderated
Toumarches
************
Offline Offline

Faith: Orthodox
Posts: 11,441


Holy Father Patrick, pray for us!


« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2010, 12:55:44 PM »

Thank you, both, for those clarifications.

In India the practice is to have a candidate for the priesthood marry before being ordained to the full deaconate.

That is in keeping with the Apostolic canons, which I think are early enough for us to have in common, and which prohibit any clergy apart from chanters and readers from marrying.  Therefore, in the Eastern Orthodox Church, subdeacons and above may not marry, (although I have heard that exceptions are occasionally made on a case by case basis, where there is deemed to be pastoral reason for it).

In Christ,
Michael

A clarification:

If a man on the way to ordination is unmarried and intends to remain celibate, then he enters monastic life first, then, all being well, can then be ordained.
Logged
Tags: deacons Syriac Orthodox 
Pages: 1   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.18 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.055 seconds with 35 queries.