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« on: May 08, 2010, 11:36:20 PM »

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Once again, in a matter only of a few years, the eyes of the world are turned with suspense toward the Gulf Coast. Sadly, the oil spill is following a path similar to Hurricane Katrina and threatening the coast of Louisiana as well as neighboring states.

As citizens of God's creation, we perceive this monumental spill of crude oil in the oceans of our planet as a sign of how far we have moved from the purpose of God's creation.

Our immediate reaction is to pray fervently for the urgent and efficient response to the current crisis, to mourn painfully for the sacrifice of human life as well as for the loss of marine life and wildlife, and to support the people and communities of the region, whose livelihood directly depends on the fisheries of the Gulf.

But as the first bishop of the world's second-largest Christian Church, we also have a responsibility not only to pray, but also to declare that to mistreat the natural environment is to sin against humanity, against all living things, and against our creator God. All of us -- individuals, institutions, and industries alike -- bear responsibility; all of us are accountable for ignoring the global consequences of environmental exploitation. Katrina -- we knew -- was a natural calamity. This time -- we know -- it is a man-made disaster. One deepwater pipe will impact millions of lives in several states as well as countless businesses and industries....
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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2010, 04:43:14 PM »

I don't think, Christians did it.
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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2010, 05:30:49 PM »

Wow. So His All-Holiness is a left-wing blogger now?

I wish the EP would focus on preparing people for the next world instead of inserting himself into political issues in the present world. Does he realize that he alienates a lot of good Orthodox people with different viewpoints when he does things like this?

(Besides, wasn't the explosion an accident? Buildup of methane or something? The EP makes it sound intentional.)
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2010, 05:42:44 PM »

The accident would never have happened if it was not for human greed and the fallen world.

As for being leftist, the left wing is not the only ones concerned about the environment.
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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2010, 07:06:30 PM »

The accident would never have happened if it was not for human greed and the fallen world.

As for being leftist, the left wing is not the only ones concerned about the environment.

No, of course not. But the Huffington Post is very far-left and regularly highlights very unchristian viewpoints. I merely wonder why the EP chooses to associate himself in such an official manner with such highly-charged political fora (I'd say the same if he were writing for extreme right-wing blogs). I don't know, to me it seems like the chasing after of Relevance and appearing Worldly Wise that has sent so many non-Orthodox churches down the tubes.
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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2010, 07:23:16 PM »

The accident would never have happened if it was not for human greed and the fallen world.

As for being leftist, the left wing is not the only ones concerned about the environment.

What greed?

Today I saw an add for Earth Day (I hate the event, btw) for Catholic Vote.
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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2010, 07:34:25 PM »

Wow. So His All-Holiness is a left-wing blogger now?

I wish the EP would focus on preparing people for the next world instead of inserting himself into political issues in the present world. Does he realize that he alienates a lot of good Orthodox people with different viewpoints when he does things like this?

(Besides, wasn't the explosion an accident? Buildup of methane or something? The EP makes it sound intentional.)
Why is the Christian call that we be wise stewards of our environment necessarily a political issue? Huh  Is the Christian life about nothing more than preparing for the next world (while we let this world go to hell)?
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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2010, 09:38:56 PM »

The accident would never have happened if it was not for human greed and the fallen world.

As for being leftist, the left wing is not the only ones concerned about the environment.

No, of course not. But the Huffington Post is very far-left and regularly highlights very unchristian viewpoints. I merely wonder why the EP chooses to associate himself in such an official manner with such highly-charged political fora (I'd say the same if he were writing for extreme right-wing blogs). I don't know, to me it seems like the chasing after of Relevance and appearing Worldly Wise that has sent so many non-Orthodox churches down the tubes.
Seems like a good context in which to allow Americans to become somewhat aware of the Orthodox Church.
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2010, 10:14:37 PM »

(Besides, wasn't the explosion an accident? Buildup of methane or something? The EP makes it sound intentional.)

Such accidents are inevitable under the rule of capital.

I have my reservations about His All-Holiness, but being green isn't one of them. 
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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2010, 12:44:17 PM »

The accident would never have happened if it was not for human greed and the fallen world.

As for being leftist, the left wing is not the only ones concerned about the environment.

What greed?

The greed that has allowed prospects of cheap oil to supersede any other consideration; such as the economy, military, health and safety etc. We have turned into junkies...expressing horror had the oil leak in the Gulf, but unwilling to cut our addiction to petroleum.
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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2010, 01:15:56 PM »

I have my reservations about His All-Holiness, but being green isn't one of them.

QFT.
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« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2010, 02:25:54 PM »

I have my reservations about His All-Holiness, but being green isn't one of them.

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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2010, 12:00:12 AM »

I have my reservations about His All-Holiness, but being green isn't one of them.
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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2010, 12:10:18 AM »

I think as Christians, we need to have respect for the land that God created for us and not just the land but also other creatures that live in it. We cannot just be ok with the destruction of our natural environments in the world. God did give us to use the land but not to exploit it and destroy it as we do for economic gain as we do with our drilling and dependencies on oil, our mistreatment of animals in corporate factories, the pumping of chemicals into our food, the amount of waste we produce, creating pollution, the clear cutting of forests, etc. Why do we do all this? It is because of greed. I think if we take care of the earth, then we fulfill our duty to our neighbor.
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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2010, 01:23:05 AM »

I think as Christians, we need to have respect for the land that God created for us and not just the land but also other creatures that live in it. We cannot just be ok with the destruction of our natural environments in the world. God did give us to use the land but not to exploit it and destroy it as we do for economic gain as we do with our drilling and dependencies on oil, our mistreatment of animals in corporate factories, the pumping of chemicals into our food, the amount of waste we produce, creating pollution, the clear cutting of forests, etc. Why do we do all this? It is because of greed. I think if we take care of the earth, then we fulfill our duty to our neighbor.

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« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2010, 02:56:15 PM »

To keep it in perspective, this is the first spill caused by offshore drilling in 40 years.

Perhaps if the American environmentalists hadn't been so successful is stopping the expansion of onshore drilling, we wouldn't be seeing this?
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« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2010, 08:18:01 PM »

To keep it in perspective, this is the first spill caused by offshore drilling in 40 years.

Perhaps if the American environmentalists hadn't been so successful is stopping the expansion of onshore drilling, we wouldn't be seeing this?

Only so much onshore drilling to go around. Oil is not a renewable resource.
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« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2010, 02:17:26 PM »

The most recent political comment has been moved to Politics.

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php?topic=27529.0
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« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2010, 01:45:29 PM »

Wow. So His All-Holiness is a left-wing blogger now?

I wish the EP would focus on preparing people for the next world instead of inserting himself into political issues in the present world. Does he realize that he alienates a lot of good Orthodox people with different viewpoints when he does things like this?

(Besides, wasn't the explosion an accident? Buildup of methane or something? The EP makes it sound intentional.)

Yes, it appears so. I would expect, on the basis of these most recent comments, for His All Holiness to reduce his carbon footprint and save us so much hot air. Stop traveling around the globe with huge entourages and instead of taking his yacht out to Halki via the environmentally unfriendly route (oil), i.e. he better purchase some oars and paddle; better yet, he can simply walk, their like the Lord, due to his utter holiness.

We all know these things are written for him, specifically a certain Dn. J. Chryssavgis, a divorced left-wing Australian deacon, who is the Patriarch's mouthpiece on environmental issues.

He would do better by attending to the mission field, ripe for the harvest, in his own backyard, and preach the Gospel of Christ to his fellow Turkish citizens.
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« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2010, 03:06:06 PM »

Wow. So His All-Holiness is a left-wing blogger now?

I wish the EP would focus on preparing people for the next world instead of inserting himself into political issues in the present world. Does he realize that he alienates a lot of good Orthodox people with different viewpoints when he does things like this?

(Besides, wasn't the explosion an accident? Buildup of methane or something? The EP makes it sound intentional.)

Yes, it appears so. I would expect, on the basis of these most recent comments, for His All Holiness to reduce his carbon footprint and save us so much hot air. Stop traveling around the globe with huge entourages and instead of taking his yacht out to Halki via the environmentally unfriendly route (oil), i.e. he better purchase some oars and paddle; better yet, he can simply walk, their like the Lord, due to his utter holiness.

We all know these things are written for him, specifically a certain Dn. J. Chryssavgis, a divorced left-wing Australian deacon, who is the Patriarch's mouthpiece on environmental issues.

He would do better by attending to the mission field, ripe for the harvest, in his own backyard, and preach the Gospel of Christ to his fellow Turkish citizens.
I take it you don't like His All Holiness. Undecided

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« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2010, 03:20:01 PM »


I take it you don't like His All Holiness. Undecided

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No, I do not like what I hear coming from Constantinople! I have met His All Holiness on a number of occasions. He is an
affable person, but he is completely mixed up, has bad advisors, and has allowed the venerable office which he currently holds to be permeated with a European Socialist mindset.

Documents such as this are rank with hypocrisy.
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« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2010, 03:34:54 PM »

I found this sentence interesting:

"But as the first bishop of the world's second-largest Christian Church, we also have a responsibility not only to pray, but also to declare that to mistreat the natural environment is to sin against humanity, against all living things, and against our creator God."

Gee, and I always thought His All-Holiness was the "First-Among-Equals" bishop of the Orthodox Church. I guess the "among equals" part got lost in the translation. Ah well.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2010, 04:34:38 PM »

I found this sentence interesting:

"But as the first bishop of the world's second-largest Christian Church, we also have a responsibility not only to pray, but also to declare that to mistreat the natural environment is to sin against humanity, against all living things, and against our creator God."

Gee, and I always thought His All-Holiness was the "First-Among-Equals" bishop of the Orthodox Church. I guess the "among equals" part got lost in the translation. Ah well.  Roll Eyes
Well, what's the first word in "First-Among-Equals"? Wink
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