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Re: Catholicism, from a happy catholic.
« Reply #135 on: May 11, 2010, 01:57:28 PM »
Alonso, you still haven't made it clear whether you expect people to agree with what you are saying here and have this as your own personal fan page or if you if you realize that these claims are disputable and you are fine discussing them.

¿What is your point?
That your thread has no point.  You clearly don't want discussion, since discussion means you also shut up and listen.
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« Reply #136 on: May 11, 2010, 01:58:26 PM »
Alonso, you still haven't made it clear whether you expect people to agree with what you are saying here and have this as your own personal fan page or if you if you realize that these claims are disputable and you are fine discussing them.

¿What is your point?
That your thread has no point.  You clearly don't want discussion, since discussion means you also shut up and listen.
And?.....
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« Reply #137 on: May 11, 2010, 02:00:55 PM »
Alonso, you still haven't made it clear whether you expect people to agree with what you are saying here and have this as your own personal fan page or if you if you realize that these claims are disputable and you are fine discussing them.

¿What is your point?

How do you expect people to properly react to your thread if it's not even clear what your intentions by it are?

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« Reply #138 on: May 11, 2010, 02:01:11 PM »
Alonso, you still haven't made it clear whether you expect people to agree with what you are saying here and have this as your own personal fan page or if you if you realize that these claims are disputable and you are fine discussing them.

¿What is your point?
That your thread has no point.  You clearly don't want discussion, since discussion means you also shut up and listen.

And YOur own particular problem  with that is?...
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Re: Catholicism, from a happy catholic.
« Reply #139 on: May 11, 2010, 02:01:15 PM »
Its a musical group, not a mariachi, is more like Rock Band, but in Christian songs.

Is there often Christian rock bands in your Church during Liturgy?

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« Reply #140 on: May 11, 2010, 02:02:10 PM »
Alonso, you still haven't made it clear whether you expect people to agree with what you are saying here and have this as your own personal fan page or if you if you realize that these claims are disputable and you are fine discussing them.
It doesn't seem he wants his claims to undergo scrutiny they cannot survive.
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Re: Catholicism, from a happy catholic.
« Reply #141 on: May 11, 2010, 02:02:20 PM »
Alonso, you still haven't made it clear whether you expect people to agree with what you are saying here and have this as your own personal fan page or if you if you realize that these claims are disputable and you are fine discussing them.

¿What is your point?

How do you expect people to properly react to your thread if it's not even clear what your intentions by it are?

The very tittle is quite clear with that respect.
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Re: Catholicism, from a happy catholic.
« Reply #142 on: May 11, 2010, 02:03:32 PM »
Its a musical group, not a mariachi, is more like Rock Band, but in Christian songs.

Is there often Christian rock bands in your Church during Liturgy?

No, this is not a Rock Band, is a Kind of. and this is not in liturgy is in an eight kilometer march.
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Re: Catholicism, from a happy catholic.
« Reply #143 on: May 11, 2010, 02:05:00 PM »
Alonso, you still haven't made it clear whether you expect people to agree with what you are saying here and have this as your own personal fan page or if you if you realize that these claims are disputable and you are fine discussing them.
It doesn't seem he wants his claims to undergo scrutiny they cannot survive.

Many claims have been posted, many many of them, go on.
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« Reply #144 on: May 11, 2010, 02:07:34 PM »
Alonso, you still haven't made it clear whether you expect people to agree with what you are saying here and have this as your own personal fan page or if you if you realize that these claims are disputable and you are fine discussing them.

¿What is your point?

How do you expect people to properly react to your thread if it's not even clear what your intentions by it are?

The very tittle is quite clear with that respect.

I don't see that. This is either you offering your disputable opinions that others are free to object to, or this is a "Catholics only" fan thread. I don't see how the title makes it clear which one it is. Unless by "from a happy catholic" you were indicating that you are to be the only source of this discussion in this thread?

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« Reply #145 on: May 11, 2010, 02:08:13 PM »
No, this is not a Rock Band, is a Kind of. and this is not in liturgy is in an eight kilometer march.

So then...these "kind of" rock bands are never in your Church....only in your processions?

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« Reply #146 on: May 11, 2010, 02:20:42 PM »
No, this is not a Rock Band, is a Kind of. and this is not in liturgy is in an eight kilometer march.

So then...these "kind of" rock bands are never in your Church....only in your processions?

I remember someone either here or on CAF posted a video from Brazil I think, where they all danced in a circle and then the priest took the monstrans and they danced around it.

That would be the infamous Danza Liturgica wherein their "Jesus" gets up and dances with assistance at about the 2:30 minute mark of the video.

See it in all its splendor here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRULNTperWE

I'll now sit back and wait for Papist to chime in with his usual nonsense about how this is an isolated event that few Catholics participate in (despite the Catholic Charismatic Renewal - sponsors of this event - having millions of adherents worldwide).  ;)

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Re: Catholicism, from a happy catholic.
« Reply #147 on: May 11, 2010, 02:31:12 PM »
No, this is not a Rock Band, is a Kind of. and this is not in liturgy is in an eight kilometer march.

So then...these "kind of" rock bands are never in your Church....only in your processions?
You might want to find out if this is a liturgical procession or not. If not, why would it matter if there was a "rock band"?
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« Reply #148 on: May 11, 2010, 02:38:30 PM »
No, this is not a Rock Band, is a Kind of. and this is not in liturgy is in an eight kilometer march.

So then...these "kind of" rock bands are never in your Church....only in your processions?

Can't say that, I am not over the control of The hole church, but evey sunday I go to Mass, no rock Band is there.
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Re: Catholicism, from a happy catholic.
« Reply #149 on: May 11, 2010, 02:39:44 PM »
That would be the infamous Danza Liturgica wherein their "Jesus" gets up and dances with assistance at about the 2:30 minute mark of the video.

See it in all its splendor here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRULNTperW

Oh my! That’s one I had never seen before.  It was very difficult to watch—in fact—I could not get through the whole thing.   :P

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« Reply #150 on: May 11, 2010, 02:41:19 PM »
Some times it is like if you were so restricted on the ways to expres your joy to be Christian that I really doubt that you understand what does it mean to be one.
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« Reply #151 on: May 11, 2010, 02:45:54 PM »
Beautiful Orthodoxy...
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« Reply #152 on: May 11, 2010, 02:46:41 PM »
Do you refer to celebrate ad orierntem?

http://www.youtube.com/v/aGzExgJRfiA

Why isn't the priest in this picture celebrating this way? Is there something wrong with the altar behind him?

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« Reply #153 on: May 11, 2010, 03:01:57 PM »
more.... ;D ;D ;D



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Re: Catholicism, from a happy catholic.
« Reply #154 on: May 11, 2010, 03:21:05 PM »
Alonso, you still haven't made it clear whether you expect people to agree with what you are saying here and have this as your own personal fan page or if you if you realize that these claims are disputable and you are fine discussing them.

¿What is your point?
That your thread has no point.  You clearly don't want discussion, since discussion means you also shut up and listen.

And YOur own particular problem  with that is?...
That Internet discussion forums are built to be places of actual discussion.  They're not meant to be used as personal blogs.
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« Reply #155 on: May 11, 2010, 03:21:38 PM »
Do you refer to celebrate ad orierntem?

http://www.youtube.com/v/aGzExgJRfiA

Why isn't the priest in this picture celebrating this way? Is there something wrong with the altar behind him?

¿Is God restricted to be invocated ad orientem?
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« Reply #156 on: May 11, 2010, 03:22:41 PM »
Alonso, you still haven't made it clear whether you expect people to agree with what you are saying here and have this as your own personal fan page or if you if you realize that these claims are disputable and you are fine discussing them.

¿What is your point?
That your thread has no point.  You clearly don't want discussion, since discussion means you also shut up and listen.

And YOur own particular problem  with that is?...
That Internet discussion forums are built to be places of actual discussion.  They're not meant to be used as personal blogs.

Well There are many discussions her you can see, ¿Don't you? in fact we are holding one.
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« Reply #157 on: May 11, 2010, 03:22:50 PM »
 ;D ORTHODOXY  ;D







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« Reply #158 on: May 11, 2010, 03:24:14 PM »
Beautiful Orthodoxy...
Beauty shall save the world..

¿ ¿ ¿ ¿ ¿ ¿ ¿ ¿ WHAT ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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« Reply #159 on: May 11, 2010, 03:32:07 PM »
To Be Catholis is to be Happy

Happiness isn't everything.

We are not here to be happy.

Happiness will hopefully come to those of us, whom God has through His grace accepted into His Kindgom.

THAT will be true happiness.

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« Reply #160 on: May 11, 2010, 03:32:47 PM »
Only God  by his grace, can save us.


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« Reply #161 on: May 11, 2010, 03:34:07 PM »

Stashko, those are beautiful churches!
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« Reply #162 on: May 11, 2010, 03:38:10 PM »
To Be Catholis is to be Happy

Happiness isn't everything.

We are not here to be happy.

Happiness will hopefully come to those of us, whom God has through His grace accepted into His Kindgom.

THAT will be true happiness.


¿Is not enough motive of joy to have hope to be saved to be jubilant of happiness?, ¿Isn't Hope a gift of the Divine Grace, as Faith and Love?, ¿Isn't Christmass the Great celebration of Hope for the Human race to be saved by the Lord?, ¿Isn't Hope motive enough to be Happy?
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« Reply #163 on: May 11, 2010, 03:42:30 PM »
To Be Catholic is to be Hopeful.

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« Reply #164 on: May 11, 2010, 03:48:32 PM »
Beautiful Orthodoxy...
Beauty shall save the world..

¿ ¿ ¿ ¿ ¿ ¿ ¿ ¿ WHAT ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?


I think this saying came out ,upon the conversion of Holy Russia/Ukrainia to the true light of Holy Orthodoxy.....

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« Reply #165 on: May 11, 2010, 03:49:36 PM »
Be careful with those statmens or you are supplanting God by steticism.
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« Reply #166 on: May 11, 2010, 03:49:42 PM »

Stashko, those are beautiful churches!
Yes, they are.
I would also like to see the inside of them.
Thanks.

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« Reply #167 on: May 11, 2010, 03:50:28 PM »
To be Catholic is to know that God Loves Us and wants to Save Us




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« Reply #168 on: May 11, 2010, 03:53:07 PM »

Stashko, those are beautiful churches!

Thank You!!
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« Reply #169 on: May 11, 2010, 03:58:24 PM »
¿Is God restricted to be invocated ad orientem?

That's irrelevant here. Let's say someone had a car but at some point ceased to use it and bought another one. It means there must have been something wrong with the old one. Similar situation with traditional Roman Catholic altars. What was wrong with them that in the 1970s most of them got out of use?

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« Reply #170 on: May 11, 2010, 04:48:53 PM »
¿Is God restricted to be invocated ad orientem?

That's irrelevant here. Let's say someone had a car but at some point ceased to use it and bought another one. It means there must have been something wrong with the old one. Similar situation with traditional Roman Catholic altars. What was wrong with them that in the 1970s most of them got out of use?

Too bad as example. If you have an old car and want to buy a new one, perhaps is because you want to have two or more cars, and all of them are quite good working. The changes of the liturgy were made to help people to know that the Mistery of Eucharist consists in the promes of the Lord to be really present in His Body and his Blood in the forms of Bread and Wine. But the validity of the ad orientem or to the flock, consecration is the same.


Perhaps you should go to a Mass to see without a iconostas the mistery of the eucharist.




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« Reply #171 on: May 11, 2010, 04:51:22 PM »
Perhaps you should go to a Mass to see without a iconostas the mistery of the eucharist.

He stopped a few months ago :P
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« Reply #172 on: May 11, 2010, 04:54:14 PM »
To be Catholic is to be confident that the Lord Will Provide.













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« Reply #173 on: May 11, 2010, 04:57:22 PM »
He stopped a few months ago :P

Quite a few, actually. :)
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« Reply #174 on: May 11, 2010, 04:58:12 PM »
Perhaps you should go to a Mass to see without a iconostas the mistery of the eucharist.

He stopped a few months ago :P
He changed God by Aesteticism.
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« Reply #175 on: May 11, 2010, 05:01:13 PM »
He changed God by Aesteticism.

Actually he switched to God from a dictatorship.
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Re: Catholicism, from a happy catholic.
« Reply #176 on: May 11, 2010, 05:14:16 PM »
He changed God by Aesteticism.

Do you think that we Orthodox believe in a different God than you Catholics?

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Re: Catholicism, from a happy catholic.
« Reply #177 on: May 11, 2010, 05:19:21 PM »
He changed God by Aesteticism.

Do you think that we Orthodox believe in a different God than you Catholics?
Same God.
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Re: Catholicism, from a happy catholic.
« Reply #178 on: May 11, 2010, 05:31:46 PM »
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Do you think that we Orthodox believe in a different God than you Catholics?

Heb 13, 17

Obey your leaders and defer to them, for they keep watch over you and will have to give an account, that they may fulfill their task with joy and not with sorrow, for that would be of no advantage to you.


¿Do you see? you are desobedient.

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Re: Catholicism, from a happy catholic.
« Reply #179 on: May 11, 2010, 05:53:07 PM »
Beautiful Orthodoxy...
Beauty shall save the world..

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I think this saying came out ,upon the conversion of Holy Russia/Ukrainia to the true light of Holy Orthodoxy.....



I thought it was a quote from Dostoyevsky (from "Brothers Karamazov").

Love never fails.