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« on: May 04, 2010, 04:39:54 PM »

This is apparently still an issue with some even though the Pope re edited the prayer for the Jews two years ago.


http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=172382



ROME – On Good Friday, two days before Easter, a prayer titled “Let us Pray for the Conversion of the Jews” was recited in Latin by traditionalist Catholic congregations in Italy, plus 16 sections of the Society of Saint Pius.

The ultra-conservative society, whose excommunication was lifted by Pope Benedict XVI last year, has yet to be fully reintegrated into the Catholic Church, because of its refusal to accept the reforms of the Second Vatican Council.

In 2007, in an effort to bring the traditionalist elements of the Church back into the fold, Benedict issued a “Motu Proprio” declaration allowing wider use of the 1962, pre-Vatican II Roman Missal containing this prayer, which was previously restricted to small groups. Three years ago only 30 Italian churches were affected by that decision, as opposed to the 118 that regularly use the liturgy today.

The word “conversion,” however, was not supposed to have been part of the title of this traditionalist Good Friday prayer. The official text, personally revised by the pope after Israel’s Chief Rabbinate expressed concerns regarding its content, was circulated in a note by Cardinal Bertone, the Vatican’s secretary of state, in February 2008, bearing a new official title – “Oremus et pro Iudaeis,” or “Let us Pray for the Jews.” However, quite unexpectedly, that title has been changed to “Let us Pray for theConversion of the Jews” in the brand new luxury re-edition of the missal currently flying off the shelves in Vatican bookstores.

For months, Vatican officials assured representatives of Jewish organizations that the error in the draft would be amended, and during recent bilateral meetings it seemed that they were unaware of the fact that a new edition had already been published bearing the “mistaken” title.

The reissuing of traditionalist liturgies is the responsibility of the formerly independent Ecclesia Dei Commission, which was incorporated into Cardinal William Levada’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (known until 1908 as the Inquisition) during the fallout from the Bishop Richard Williamson Holocaust-denying affair. Under the present papacy, the network of internal communications seems to be functioning at an even slower pace than before the changes were made.

The current text of the prayer is a compromise between the Tridentine version and the contemporary, universal prayer spoken in all languages across the world since Pope Paul VI’s reform in 1970. It states, “Let us pray to the Lord our God for the Jews, whom God chose first above all men to receive His Word, that He may help them to progress in the love of His Name and in faithfulness to His Covenant... so that the firstborn People of Your Covenant may reach the fullness of redemption.”

This formulation was a great step forward in comparison to the text of the old Latin prayer, which – although Pope John XXIII, who called the Second Vatican Council, had removed the expression “perfidious Jews” – still contained several objectionable expressions. These included an invocation to “remove the veil over the hearts” of Jews so that they may “recognize our Lord Jesus Christ,” and a reference to the “blindness” of the Jewish people.

The recently revised version of the Roman Missal’s Good Friday prayer, approved and supposedly written by Benedict, does not contain these offensive expressions. However, it is still considered a step back from the “normal,” contemporary, multilingual versions used by the vast majority of the world’s Catholics.

The newly legitimized Latin text now disseminated in traditionalist communities states, “Let us pray for the Jews. May the Lord our God illuminate their hearts so that they can recognize Jesus Christ, Saviour of all mankind. Almighty and Eternal God, You who want all men to be saved and know the truth, concede the grace that by entering into the fullness of peoples within Your Church, all of Israel may be saved. Amen.”


Despite suggestions by Catholic and Jewish leaders committed to interfaith dialogue to the effect that the Latin version of the multilingual 1970 prayer be used instead of the 1962 prayer, Benedict preferred to rewrite the old Tridentine text. His decision was eventually accepted by Jewish leaders after Cardinal Walter Kasper, president of the Pontifical Commission for Religious Relations with Jews, wrote a letter and editorial explaining that no missionary activity was being proposed by the Church and emphasizing that hopes for the conversion of the Jews referred only to “eschatological times,” or the Messianic Age.

The question remains, however, how and why did the reissue of the Good Friday prayer appear without a correction of the problematic title?

A Vatican spokesmen told The Jerusalem Post that “the printing of this title was an error which will be rectified”; however, considering that the expensive new edition was made available only a month ago, the correction may be long in coming.
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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2010, 05:28:53 PM »

What a dopey article. Why do these secular Jews care so much about what Catholics pray? Believing, practicing Jews have no problem, of course. They pray for our conversion!

It's also very ironic that they act so offended about this mild Catholic prayer for their conversion but ignore the far more "offensive" Roll Eyes prayers for them in the Orthodox Good Friday liturgies.

And frankly, these secular Jews are taking offense at the wrong part of the Good Friday prayers. They are prayed for in the agnostic/atheist/non-believer section.
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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2010, 11:12:58 PM »

What a dopey article. Why do these secular Jews care so much about what Catholics pray? Believing, practicing Jews have no problem, of course. They pray for our conversion!

It's also very ironic that they act so offended about this mild Catholic prayer for their conversion but ignore the far more "offensive" Roll Eyes prayers for them in the Orthodox Good Friday liturgies.

And frankly, these secular Jews are taking offense at the wrong part of the Good Friday prayers. They are prayed for in the agnostic/atheist/non-believer section.

I don't get it either. If I believed that the Catholic Church is the one true Church then it would be negligent on my part, maybe even sinful not to pray for the conversion of everyone.
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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2010, 02:14:46 AM »

They shouldn't be able to stop churches from praying for their conversion. That's just ridiculous.
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2010, 04:21:24 PM »

The problem is that the RCC has been caving into Jewish interest groups in the name of political correctness for the past 50 years.  The OC, on the other hand has never (At least officially) done so.  The Vatican has set the precedent for such ecumenical fuzziness, now everyone expects them to follow up with regards to their new theology and outlook towards Jews or risk loosing credibility by apparently reversing their decisions on the matter.  Since the OC never came out with a document like Nostra Aetate, why would anyone hold the Church to its precepts?
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