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« on: May 09, 2010, 02:02:46 PM »

Do you have this in the USA?
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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2010, 02:39:17 PM »

It looks like the picture has been deleted. It showed a group if children in a day of their first confession in a Church in Krynica Zdrój in Poland. They were all dressed like those RCC children that go for their first Communion (white dresses, suits etc.).
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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2010, 03:07:28 PM »

My Church had this. I don't know how common it is. I always wonder if it all started with Orthodox girls saying, "Mommy, when do I get to wear a pretty white dress like the Catholic girls?"
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2010, 04:18:22 PM »


Our church does the same thing.  However, we do stress not to go "overboard" with the outfits, so the kids don't miss the whole point of their First Confession.

They go to preparatory classes for weeks, they walk through the steps and they learn to do good deeds and how to notice when they sin...because too many people sin without even noticing that they've done something wrong.

Here's my little niece and goddaughter Lily with her friend Sophia.  The two girls had their First Holy Confession on Palm Sunday.  Both wore white, and the Orthodox League purchased wrist corsages for them to wear.  We were honored to have His Grace, Bishop Daniel, visiting our parish on Palm Sunday...so the girls' First Confession truly was memorable!


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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2010, 12:06:44 AM »

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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2010, 01:03:39 AM »

LizaSymonenko, I have never seen a bishop's vestments like that before. Is that typical of Ukrainian bishops?
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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2010, 05:02:19 AM »

My 8 year old daughter went to her first confession during lent. Her sunday school class (which is during matins) went over a lesson block about confession and I took her to the catechism class on confession that our priest teaches. As a gift of sorts we bought her an icon bracelet as more of a recognition then a reward. She was pretty scared of going to confession for the first time. Her godmother went with her and walked her thru it with the priest. I had the option of taking her myself, but I recall being 8 very well- if I had been going to confession at that age I would not want my mom there. Wink Most of my confession would have been about being annoyed with her! Hopefully my daughter and I have a better relationship, but in any case I thought her confession should not involve me.
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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2010, 01:01:12 PM »

LizaSymonenko, I have never seen a bishop's vestments like that before. Is that typical of Ukrainian bishops?

Not sure what you are asking.  Typical how?  Color, fabric, style?

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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2010, 01:42:00 PM »

Not sure what you are asking.  Typical how?  Color, fabric, style?

Sorry. I mean the floral designs and the multiple icons all around the mitre like that. It looks completely unique to me, and I was curious if all Ukrainian bishops look that way when they are vested.
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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2010, 01:55:22 PM »

The Miter crown has handsewn ikon's, on it ,vestments have handsewn grape clusters /wheat stalks,  very fine ukrainian handcraft ,possably done by nuns in a convent.....
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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2010, 01:57:57 PM »


...actually, yes!   Smiley

They have more subtle vestments - depending on the occasion, as well.  

However, usually they are embellished with flowers, grapes, vines, and other motifs.
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« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2010, 11:59:08 PM »

Holy Smokes! Did anybody else notice how beautiful that chalice is? That thing must have cost...well I don't want to know, I'm sure... Anyway, I would love to learn more about Ukrainian customs and traditions that are perhaps unique to them out of all of the churches, if other examples exist.
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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2010, 12:21:10 AM »

The Miter crown has handsewn ikon's, on it ,vestments have handsewn grape clusters /wheat stalks,  very fine ukrainian handcraft ,possably done by nuns in a convent.....

And  not mentioning the beautiful  easter eggs that our ukrainian orthodox bothers,and sisters create around pacha wow....
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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2010, 12:45:05 AM »

In my parish, children go for their first Holy Confession at the age of 7 on the eve of Pentecost. On Pentecost, the girls dress in white dresses and the boys in Navy suits, and go up for their "First Holy Communion After Confession."

For the school year leading up to their First Holy Confession, the children receive intense catechism, and are taught how to pray, what sin is, etc. Although catechism continues through High School, I remember that year being particularly intense.
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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2010, 12:53:59 AM »

Not sure what you are asking.  Typical how?  Color, fabric, style?

Sorry. I mean the floral designs and the multiple icons all around the mitre like that. It looks completely unique to me, and I was curious if all Ukrainian bishops look that way when they are vested.

Embroidery is a point of national pride among Ukrainians, so you will often see a lot more embroidery in our priests vestments, altar cloths, etc., than you would in a non-Ukrainian parish.

When we find something we're good at, we like to show it off. A lot.  Grin  laugh

Here are a couple more pictures of our Bishop's at the recent ordination of Father Deacon James Cairns to the Deaconate.
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« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2010, 01:00:56 AM »

If you look behind Father Deacon James, you will see the cloth with the body of Christ has been hand embroidered. Also you get a clear shot of the chalice in this pic.
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« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2010, 03:07:58 AM »

Holy Smokes! Did anybody else notice how beautiful that chalice is? That thing must have cost...well I don't want to know, I'm sure... Anyway, I would love to learn more about Ukrainian customs and traditions that are perhaps unique to them out of all of the churches, if other examples exist.

The vestments and chalice seem fairly unremarkable to me.  That isn't to say that they are not very beautiful because they are clearly the result of great work and dedication as an offering to God.  I mean they are unremarkable in the sense that they don't seem unusual.  Perhaps it is because I often watch videos of excerpts from Orthodox services on Youtube but I have seen many bishops, priests, and deacons wearing vestments with heavy floral and other embroidery.  In my mind I associate it with Greek vestments but it seems they are prevalent in the Ukraine as well.  As for enamelled chalices, like enamelled crosses, fans, or indeed enamelled anything, they can be quite pricey.

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« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2010, 10:37:06 AM »

Perhaps I'm only impressed because our parish has nothing! Well, we have His Body and Blood, so we have everything, but certainly none of the high dollar stuff.
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« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2010, 11:41:03 AM »

Perhaps I'm only impressed because our parish has nothing! Well, we have His Body and Blood, so we have everything, but certainly none of the high dollar stuff.

It will come in time. My parish is 100 years old. In order to get to the point we are at, my Great-Grandmother and other members of the Ladies Auxiliary would go from door to door collecting nickels. My Grandmother said that when she was a child, there were no cash donations because people were too poor. Since her father was treasurer of the church, she would help him roll all the coins to take to the bank every week.

That's how it started.

One day, your parish will be decorated like all the other 100+ year old parishes are today. Have faith. Smiley
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Perhaps I'm only impressed because our parish has nothing! Well, we have His Body and Blood, so we have everything, but certainly none of the high dollar stuff.

Indeed. And that's what maters.

As for the pics: They look very nice but normal. That chalice can't cost more than $1,200. It's not solid gold or anything. You could probably even pick it up for 600 euros in the ecclesiastical market area of Thessaloniki.

My favorite liturgical item is the mid-sixth century solid silver discos (paten) from the Holy Sion collection at Dumbarton Oaks. Talk about fine handiwork! It's also nearly two feet in diameter, big enough for a seriously large amount of bread for communion. Also, pretty heavy to carry for the deacon! Here's a high-res pic:

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Perhaps I'm only impressed because our parish has nothing! Well, we have His Body and Blood, so we have everything, but certainly none of the high dollar stuff.

Indeed. And that's what maters.

As for the pics: They look very nice but normal. That chalice can't cost more than $1,200. It's not solid gold or anything. You could probably even pick it up for 600 euros in the ecclesiastical market area of Thessaloniki.

My favorite liturgical item is the mid-sixth century solid silver discos (paten) from the Holy Sion collection at Dumbarton Oaks. Talk about fine handiwork! It's also nearly two feet in diameter, big enough for a seriously large amount of bread for communion. Also, pretty heavy to carry for the deacon! Here's a high-res pic:

http://museum.doaks.org/VieO27039?sid=3307&x=912991

Beautiful! Thanks for sharing!

It sort of breaks my heart when I see such beautiful items in a museum instead of being used in a parish, but hopefully God uses these items to teach the world about our faith.
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« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2010, 12:25:11 PM »

Holy Smokes! Did anybody else notice how beautiful that chalice is? That thing must have cost...well I don't want to know, I'm sure... Anyway, I would love to learn more about Ukrainian customs and traditions that are perhaps unique to them out of all of the churches, if other examples exist.

The vestments and chalice seem fairly unremarkable to me.  That isn't to say that they are not very beautiful because they are clearly the result of great work and dedication as an offering to God.  I mean they are unremarkable in the sense that they don't seem unusual.  Perhaps it is because I often watch videos of excerpts from Orthodox services on Youtube but I have seen many bishops, priests, and deacons wearing vestments with heavy floral and other embroidery.  In my mind I associate it with Greek vestments but it seems they are prevalent in the Ukraine as well.  As for enamelled chalices, like enamelled crosses, fans, or indeed enamelled anything, they can be quite pricey.

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Grammar police:   It's not THE Ukraine.....just Ukraine.....so the correct use of grammar would state "prevalent in Ukraine, as well".

I'm just saying....
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Perhaps I'm only impressed because our parish has nothing! Well, we have His Body and Blood, so we have everything, but certainly none of the high dollar stuff.

As others have said, it will come.  My parish until last summer worshipped in a basement for 13 years that had been converted into a miniature Orthodox chapel. Our iconostas was made out of MDF and many things were makeshift.  The vestments and hangings were inherited from a parish that closed years ago but they were mostly hand-made by parishioners of that parish.  We don't really have glitzy stuff.  It's only recently we have started having people give such things to us.  We're still getting accustomed to having the space to actually do the services properly.  This is gift enough for us, and whatever else comes, we thank God for.  In the meanwhile, rubrical obsessives like me live on Youtube.  Cheesy

Holy Smokes! Did anybody else notice how beautiful that chalice is? That thing must have cost...well I don't want to know, I'm sure... Anyway, I would love to learn more about Ukrainian customs and traditions that are perhaps unique to them out of all of the churches, if other examples exist.

The vestments and chalice seem fairly unremarkable to me.  That isn't to say that they are not very beautiful because they are clearly the result of great work and dedication as an offering to God.  I mean they are unremarkable in the sense that they don't seem unusual.  Perhaps it is because I often watch videos of excerpts from Orthodox services on Youtube but I have seen many bishops, priests, and deacons wearing vestments with heavy floral and other embroidery.  In my mind I associate it with Greek vestments but it seems they are prevalent in the Ukraine as well.  As for enamelled chalices, like enamelled crosses, fans, or indeed enamelled anything, they can be quite pricey.

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Grammar police:   It's not THE Ukraine.....just Ukraine.....so the correct use of grammar would state "prevalent in Ukraine, as well".

I'm just saying....
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It seems I can't do right.  Cheesy

No matter what I say on this point, somebody corrects me in the opposite direction.  From now on, I shall avoid the problem altogether by referring to the country as "the land of master embroiderers".  This should keep everybody happy.

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I like that!

..but, trust me...it's just "Ukraine".

Just like you wouldn't say "the" America, "the" Uraguay, "the" Uganda, etc.  Just because the name of a country starts with a vowel, doesn't mean it is preceded with a "the".

"The" United States (because it is a conglomerate of states), but, not "the" Utah (which is a single state).

Make sense?

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Oh, I understand the point.  It wasn't about vowels for me but rather that I had been told to call it "The Ukraine", and as some country and other place names begin with "The", it didn't sound strange to me.  After all, we refer to "The Netherlands" and "The Congo" (although the latter is an abbreviation).  You wouldn't say "I visited Netherlands" or "I know someone from Congo".  To someone who doesn't know, "The Ukraine" sounds as though it could be the right name without being grammatically incorrect.

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Yes, I can see the confusion.

However, as a general rule "the" precedes a name which is a "union" of multiple lands.  The Soviet Union.

From Wikipedia:  the Congo is a traditional name for the region of equatorial Middle Africa that lies between the Gulf of Guinea and the African Great Lakes. It contains some of the largest tropical rainforests in the world. Roughly it[clarification needed] should be Congo river basin, but political and historical (tribal) differences may occur.

The Netherlands comprise various "lands" such as Zeeland, Gelerland, Gromingen, etc.  However, if stating the one country, it is usually termed as Holland.

Therefore, "the" is utilized because it points to a "union" of various lands, and not an independent country or state.

Done beating this dead horse!

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I like that!

..but, trust me...it's just "Ukraine".

Just like you wouldn't say "the" America, "the" Uraguay, "the" Uganda, etc.  Just because the name of a country starts with a vowel, doesn't mean it is preceded with a "the".

"The" United States (because it is a conglomerate of states), but, not "the" Utah (which is a single state).

Make sense?
Someone has to ask this. So which is it?
The United States IS south of Canada.
or
The United States ARE north of Mexico.

Now, just to try to bring this back on topic, it won't be my first, but will I need to go to confession for stirring the pot Cheesy ?
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ONE MUST SAY THE UNITED STATES ARE; To Say "Is" May Be Admirable in Sentiment, but It Is Ungramatical.

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So, the United States are north of Mexico and are south of Canada.

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« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2010, 03:57:59 PM »

The United States are the best country in the world!

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LOL!

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LOL!


"is" here is being used in the sense of the singular yet plural sense. The united States is - the name is PLURAL, but it refers to ONE thing... such as vous in French Smiley
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"is" here is being used in the sense of the singular yet plural sense. The united States is - the name is PLURAL, but it refers to ONE thing... such as vous in French Smiley
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Yes, the states are plural, but reffering to ONE thing of great admiration or respect.
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